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[Awful Waffle]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

 

[Insein]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

 

[JetMaxx]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

Good post. I've said repeatedly "non essential". Simply put, Jackson plays a non essential position for a team with championship aspirations. That's the reality of the WR position. Couple that with the fact that he's undersized, coupled with Kelly's offense, coupled with the other weapons on offense. Why put up with his bs? As Toomer said(I can't believe I just quoted Amani Toomer for words of wisdom), addition by subtraction. A high paid malcontent is the worst for workplace morale. Does anyone seriously think the Eagles will insufficiently score points without him?

 

[JetMaxx]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

I concur, the timing on the surface is questionable. On the surface being the key.

 

[babydemon90]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

That 10 mil salary probably just as much a sticking point then as now. You don't see many teams wanting to bring him in that salary.

 

[Insein]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

That 10 mil salary probably just as much a sticking point then as now. You don't see many teams wanting to bring him in that salary.

You could at least try. When they were actively seeking interest, free agency was 3 weeks in.

 

[JetMaxx]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

That 10 mil salary probably just as much a sticking point then as now. You don't see many teams wanting to bring him in that salary.

You could at least try. When they were actively seeking interest, free agency was 3 weeks in.

How do you know when they were actively seeking interest?

 

[Insein]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

That 10 mil salary probably just as much a sticking point then as now. You don't see many teams wanting to bring him in that salary.

You could at least try. When they were actively seeking interest, free agency was 3 weeks in.

How do you know when they were actively seeking interest?

When it got out that they wanted a 3rd for him, that was 2 weeks into free agency. If teams all of sudden became interested in hearing that he was available, then he wasn't available before that.

 

[JetMaxx]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

That 10 mil salary probably just as much a sticking point then as now. You don't see many teams wanting to bring him in that salary.

You could at least try. When they were actively seeking interest, free agency was 3 weeks in.

How do you know when they were actively seeking interest?

When it got out

Being dependent on a media release gauges your reaction?

 

[Insein]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

That 10 mil salary probably just as much a sticking point then as now. You don't see many teams wanting to bring him in that salary.

You could at least try. When they were actively seeking interest, free agency was 3 weeks in.

How do you know when they were actively seeking interest?

When it got out

Being dependent on a media release gauges your reaction?

You believe what you want. I'll believe what I wsnt. I personally feel that Howie has done everything pretty on the nose for the betterment of this team the last 2 years. For him to all of a sudden drop the ball on unloading a top tier wr coming off a pro bowl year is way out of character.

So to me, Jackson did something unforgivable in the last 2 weeks. Pretty cut and dry. Even if we never get the whole story, something went down.

 

[JetMaxx]

You didn't address the question and continue to want to find fault with guesses and media inspired doubts despite 2 yrs to the contrary.

 

[Saint]

So, if they are willing to move away from Desean, who has been the #1 receiver, obviously kelly feels like they can replace the production. Is it Maclin? Well they only signed him to a 1-yr deal, and that doesn't speak confidence to me. Riley? i think he solidified himself as a #2/3 as he just doesn't have the physical traits to break away and dominate. Ertz/Celek? Maybe. This situation speaks volumes to me on watching the TE scheming and playing time in preseason.

Sproles/McCoy? just don't see it. Definitely a role to play, but I don't see a 30+ runningback becoming the #1 receiver.

IMO, the #1 receiver hasn't been drafted yet. Jordan Mathews? Beckham? Robinson? whatever receiver Philly takes in the draft will definitely be on my board this fall.

 

[JetMaxx]

So, if they are willing to move away from Desean, who has been the #1 receiver, obviously kelly feels like they can replace the production. Is it Maclin? Well they only signed him to a 1-yr deal, and that doesn't speak confidence to me. Riley? i think he solidified himself as a #2/3 as he just doesn't have the physical traits to break away and dominate. Ertz/Celek? Maybe. This situation speaks volumes to me on watching the TE scheming and playing time in preseason.

Sproles/McCoy? just don't see it. Definitely a role to play, but I don't see a 30+ runningback becoming the #1 receiver.

IMO, the #1 receiver hasn't been drafted yet. Jordan Mathews? Beckham? Robinson? whatever receiver Philly takes in the draft will definitely be on my board this fall.

What part of Kelly's system leads you to believe that he needs a non essential #1 WR?

 

[Awful Waffle]

So, if they are willing to move away from Desean, who has been the #1 receiver, obviously kelly feels like they can replace the production. Is it Maclin? Well they only signed him to a 1-yr deal, and that doesn't speak confidence to me.

Jeremy Maclin was very adamant during his press conference that both he and the Eagles want a long term deal. Unless he gets hurt again or is flat out bad this year, I think he'll be here long term. Thus far, he's been a disappointment. But I think he's a bit underrated from a pure talent stand point and he could blow up in this offense.

 

[ShaHBucks]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

That 10 mil salary probably just as much a sticking point then as now. You don't see many teams wanting to bring him in that salary.

You could at least try. When they were actively seeking interest, free agency was 3 weeks in.

How do you know when they were actively seeking interest?

When it got out

Being dependent on a media release gauges your reaction?

You believe what you want. I'll believe what I wsnt. I personally feel that Howie has done everything pretty on the nose for the betterment of this team the last 2 years. For him to all of a sudden drop the ball on unloading a top tier wr coming off a pro bowl year is way out of character.

So to me, Jackson did something unforgivable in the last 2 weeks. Pretty cut and dry. Even if we never get the whole story, something went down.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Wth could he have done to get fired on his day off?

 

[Insein]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

That 10 mil salary probably just as much a sticking point then as now. You don't see many teams wanting to bring him in that salary.

You could at least try. When they were actively seeking interest, free agency was 3 weeks in.

How do you know when they were actively seeking interest?

When it got out

Being dependent on a media release gauges your reaction?

You believe what you want. I'll believe what I wsnt. I personally feel that Howie has done everything pretty on the nose for the betterment of this team the last 2 years. For him to all of a sudden drop the ball on unloading a top tier wr coming off a pro bowl year is way out of character. So to me, Jackson did something unforgivable in the last 2 weeks. Pretty cut and dry. Even if we never get the whole story, something went down.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Wth could he have done to get fired on his day off?

It helps me sleep at night knowing my GM is not incompetent at his job.

 

[Jackal King]

Maybe he was recorded shouting horribly racist remarks in front of....umm....never mind.

 

[ShaHBucks]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

While that's all possibly true, why would they not trade him before free agency then?

That 10 mil salary probably just as much a sticking point then as now. You don't see many teams wanting to bring him in that salary.

You could at least try. When they were actively seeking interest, free agency was 3 weeks in.

How do you know when they were actively seeking interest?

When it got out

Being dependent on a media release gauges your reaction?

You believe what you want. I'll believe what I wsnt. I personally feel that Howie has done everything pretty on the nose for the betterment of this team the last 2 years. For him to all of a sudden drop the ball on unloading a top tier wr coming off a pro bowl year is way out of character. So to me, Jackson did something unforgivable in the last 2 weeks. Pretty cut and dry. Even if we never get the whole story, something went down.

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Wth could he have done to get fired on his day off?

It helps me sleep at night knowing my GM is not incompetent at his job.

You can't always assume everyone is as emotional as you think. This isn't summer camp. These are grown men with wins, loses and a ton of Lourie's money on at stake. Cutting DJax mean the cap relief + picks means more to the wins and losses longterm than keeping him. I called it in January and you all said I was crazy so I hushed. That's not a coincidence. It's economics 101.

 

[Insein]

You can't always assume everyone is as emotional as you think. This isn't summer camp. These are grown men with wins, loses and a ton of Lourie's money on at stake. Cutting DJax mean the cap relief + picks means more to the wins and losses longterm than keeping him. I called it in January and you all said I was crazy so I hushed. That's not a coincidence. It's economics 101.

You're assuming I would think he's incompetent for letting him go. No. I think them not trading him before free agency if they knew they wanted him gone since January would be ridiculous. Which is why I'm convinced they were fine with holding him till next year before cutting him until 2 weeks ago when DJax did something.

 

[Englishteacher]

This is getting about as nauseating as O.J., the Duke lacrosse case, and Tebow.

 

[Saint]

So, if they are willing to move away from Desean, who has been the #1 receiver, obviously kelly feels like they can replace the production. Is it Maclin? Well they only signed him to a 1-yr deal, and that doesn't speak confidence to me. Riley? i think he solidified himself as a #2/3 as he just doesn't have the physical traits to break away and dominate. Ertz/Celek? Maybe. This situation speaks volumes to me on watching the TE scheming and playing time in preseason.

Sproles/McCoy? just don't see it. Definitely a role to play, but I don't see a 30+ runningback becoming the #1 receiver.

IMO, the #1 receiver hasn't been drafted yet. Jordan Mathews? Beckham? Robinson? whatever receiver Philly takes in the draft will definitely be on my board this fall.

What part of Kelly's system leads you to believe that he needs a non essential #1 WR?

IMO, I believes another threat wide receiver to open up the passing lanes. looking at last year, desean took the top off the defense to open up cooper, while avant had the underneath. if maclin is the slot threat, then who's taking the cover off the defense?

All I am saying is they need a speed guy on the outside position and I don't think that person is on the eagles roster yet. Kelly's system excels at creating mismatches. look at the broncos and I see that's the type of dynamic weapons Kelly is building.

 

[Saint]

So, if they are willing to move away from Desean, who has been the #1 receiver, obviously kelly feels like they can replace the production. Is it Maclin? Well they only signed him to a 1-yr deal, and that doesn't speak confidence to me.

Jeremy Maclin was very adamant during his press conference that both he and the Eagles want a long term deal. Unless he gets hurt again or is flat out bad this year, I think he'll be here long term. Thus far, he's been a disappointment. But I think he's a bit underrated from a pure talent stand point and he could blow up in this offense.

i agree, but do you go into the season with a question mark? Is Maclin going to play the slot (where he exceled in the past)? I think they still need a homerun WR on the outside that'll make the rest of the offense move and create mismatches.

 

[unckeyherb]

So, if they are willing to move away from Desean, who has been the #1 receiver, obviously kelly feels like they can replace the production. Is it Maclin? Well they only signed him to a 1-yr deal, and that doesn't speak confidence to me. Riley? i think he solidified himself as a #2/3 as he just doesn't have the physical traits to break away and dominate. Ertz/Celek? Maybe. This situation speaks volumes to me on watching the TE scheming and playing time in preseason.

Sproles/McCoy? just don't see it. Definitely a role to play, but I don't see a 30+ runningback becoming the #1 receiver.

IMO, the #1 receiver hasn't been drafted yet. Jordan Mathews? Beckham? Robinson? whatever receiver Philly takes in the draft will definitely be on my board this fall.

What part of Kelly's system leads you to believe that he needs a non essential #1 WR?

Desean's production is replaceable, I guess. His total contribution to the offense is harder to replace IMO.

I think Jackson's speed opens up the middle of the field. DB's can't play press and have to respect that he can get over the top at any time. Spreading out the defense opens up holes all over the place, specifically for Shady, and creates number mismatches man to man. I might be wrong, but I'm pretty sure a power run game and player mismatches are an important part of Kelly's system.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

You can't always assume everyone is as emotional as you think. This isn't summer camp. These are grown men with wins, loses and a ton of Lourie's money on at stake. Cutting DJax mean the cap relief + picks means more to the wins and losses longterm than keeping him. I called it in January and you all said I was crazy so I hushed. That's not a coincidence. It's economics 101.

You have been beating your chest about this thread and the D-Jax one for a bit now and I think we need to correct some things.

Not everyone suggested it was crazy...the two that did (initially) were DH and Terpman

You didnt even have the correct cap # for Jackson at the time. You thought 12 and it was 10.

What got the most negative feedback was your comment about replacing D-Jax with Andre Roberts & Nicks and IMHO that was deserved. I would venture to guess that a majority of people would have chose the approach we actually did (Maclin and Sproles) over the one you suggested which was to cut Jackson before having Maclin, Cooper or Sproles and basically rebuilding the WR's.

The overall sentiment seemed to be that people (including myself) took a "if it aint broke" approach with Jackson....That approach was taken prior to us signing back Maclin, Cooper and Sproles.

You want this to be similar to the Foles issue that you got praise for but it's not. Not even close actually.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

FWIW

@SheilKapadia: DeSean Tweets that he and Chip Kelly spoke yesterday: http://t.co/xtrWLl6Tnz

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@Mfranknfl: Vick on DeSean trade rumors on @MikeAndMike: "Chip is a leader ... And certain organizations want things done in a certain way." #Eagles

 

[ShaHBucks]

You can't always assume everyone is as emotional as you think. This isn't summer camp. These are grown men with wins, loses and a ton of Lourie's money on at stake. Cutting DJax mean the cap relief + picks means more to the wins and losses longterm than keeping him. I called it in January and you all said I was crazy so I hushed. That's not a coincidence. It's economics 101.

You have been beating your chest about this thread and the D-Jax one for a bit now and I think we need to correct some things.

Not everyone suggested it was crazy...the two that did (initially) were DH and Terpman

You didnt even have the correct cap # for Jackson at the time. You thought 12 and it was 10.

What got the most negative feedback was your comment about replacing D-Jax with Andre Roberts & Nicks and IMHO that was deserved. I would venture to guess that a majority of people would have chose the approach we actually did (Maclin and Sproles) over the one you suggested which was to cut Jackson before having Maclin, Cooper or Sproles and basically rebuilding the WR's.

The overall sentiment seemed to be that people (including myself) took a "if it aint broke" approach with Jackson....That approach was taken prior to us signing back Maclin, Cooper and Sproles.

You want this to be similar to the Foles issue that you got praise for but it's not. Not even close actually.

Idrc. It wasn't meant to offend. It's getting old. It's was a issue in January (even longer to the Eagles most likely) and it still is. It's getting boring to talk about until something happens. At this point it's all speculation over logic. I said I'm sure 1 or 2 of them stay, meaning DJax could restructure, Cooper or Maclin could resign.

I'll hold my breath on Nicks and Roberts. I like where they landed. I didn't know how good the draft class was at that time without combine information. I was talking up Jordan Mattews for awhile though.

 

[Snotbubbles]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

Good post. I've said repeatedly "non essential". Simply put, Jackson plays a non essential position for a team with championship aspirations. That's the reality of the WR position. Couple that with the fact that he's undersized, coupled with Kelly's offense, coupled with the other weapons on offense. Why put up with his bs? As Toomer said(I can't believe I just quoted Amani Toomer for words of wisdom), addition by subtraction. A high paid malcontent is the worst for workplace morale. Does anyone seriously think the Eagles will insufficiently score points without him?

The only question that you need to ask yourself: "Is the 2014 Eagles offense better with or without DeSean Jackson?"

No one in their right mind could think it would be better without him. Even if he plays a "non-essential" position, he's better than his replacement will be and the money freed up by getting rid of Jackson won't be used on an equally skilled player.

 

[Amused to Death]

The only question that you need to ask yourself: "Is the 2014 Eagles offense better with or without DeSean Jackson?"

No one in their right mind could think it would be better without him. Even if he plays a "non-essential" position, he's better than his replacement will be and the money freed up by getting rid of Jackson won't be used on an equally skilled player.

You're assuming he would come back and be just as successful as last year. We don't know that. Maybe he (or his agent) is threatening a messy holdout. Maybe he would mope through the season (ala Nicks) without a new deal. Last year's DJax was great. We have no idea what the '14 version would be like. We don't have all the information. We don't even know what Kelly has planned for year 2 of his offense.

Let this work itself out and see what they're like in '14. If they take a big step back, then criticize. No amount of complaining will change Kelly's or Roseman's mind.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

Good post. I've said repeatedly "non essential". Simply put, Jackson plays a non essential position for a team with championship aspirations. That's the reality of the WR position. Couple that with the fact that he's undersized, coupled with Kelly's offense, coupled with the other weapons on offense. Why put up with his bs? As Toomer said(I can't believe I just quoted Amani Toomer for words of wisdom), addition by subtraction. A high paid malcontent is the worst for workplace morale. Does anyone seriously think the Eagles will insufficiently score points without him?

The only question that you need to ask yourself: "Is the 2014 Eagles offense better with or without DeSean Jackson?"

No one in their right mind could think it would be better without him. Even if he plays a "non-essential" position, he's better than his replacement will be and the money freed up by getting rid of Jackson won't be used on an equally skilled player.

That can be answered this time next year but I'll hold off on that until I see what we do. For all we know Kelly had to limit what he called and did because of the player Jackson was.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

. I was talking up Jordan Mattews for awhile though.

I like Matthews as well but I'd prefer Martavis Bryant if possible. I actually think both guys will be able to be had in round 2.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

@SheilKapadia: Non-DeSean: Roseman explains decision to pass on Byrd & sign Jenkins. "One player isn't gonna put you over the top." http://t.co/n9zQlH4vny

 

[ShaHBucks]

And for everyone saying they shouldn't have waited, I don't get that either. They waited for the FA market to dry up to dangle him, thus increasing his price. If you're Carolina, what's your move after you missed on every FA? for example. Fkn genius.

 

[Insein]

And for everyone saying they shouldn't have waited, I don't get that either. They waited for the FA market to dry up to dangle him, thus increasing his price. If you're Carolina, what's your move after you missed on every FA? for example. Fkn genius.

Genius to let teams spend up all their cap room and price themselves out of an available Desean thus leaving very few possible trade partners?

 

[ShaHBucks]

And for everyone saying they shouldn't have waited, I don't get that either. They waited for the FA market to dry up to dangle him, thus increasing his price. If you're Carolina, what's your move after you missed on every FA? for example. Fkn genius.

Genius to let teams spend up all their cap room and price themselves out of an available Desean thus leaving very few possible trade partners?

The well has dried up now. The price of water just went up for a team like Car with SB hopes. And injuries can occur any moment.

 

[Insein]

And for everyone saying they shouldn't have waited, I don't get that either. They waited for the FA market to dry up to dangle him, thus increasing his price. If you're Carolina, what's your move after you missed on every FA? for example. Fkn genius.

Genius to let teams spend up all their cap room and price themselves out of an available Desean thus leaving very few possible trade partners?

The well has dried up now. The price of water just went up for a team like Car with SB hopes. And injuries can occur any moment.

If they knew Desean was available before Free Agency, would they have been any less desperate for a stud WR? Besides they wouldn't be looking at Desean anyway if they dumped Steve Smith for "attitude problems."

Still don't understand a logic in "we'll let everyone spend all their money and then we'll have them right where we want them or you know we'll have to cut him."

 

[unckeyherb]

Shouldn't the goal be to get MORE teams bidding on him, not less? At this point in the game, most teams either have filled their need or can no longer absorb the contract number he carries. So if the goal was to wait until now from the get-go, I think its a dumb move. Additionally, now that word has leaked that the Birds may even go so far as to CUT him, his perceived value-which has already been diminished-has now plummeted.

 

[BWill]

The 4 teams he is leaning towards arent too bad of options at all. I like Carolina the most, of course, because I own Cam lol. But WAS wouldnt be too bad. Buffalo...? MEH. I love Stevie J, but hate the QB situation. REALLY hoping for Britt, and my team he lands in Carolina and they can get Benjamin

 

[Terpman22]

I know some don't trust Les, but regardless:

Retweeted by Fly Eagles(10-6)
Les Bowen ‏@LesBowen 7m
Source in DeSean's camp says Chip told him to not worry about anything, keep working, and be ready for camp. Not an ironclad no trade, but.

 

[massraider]

And for everyone saying they shouldn't have waited, I don't get that either. They waited for the FA market to dry up to dangle him, thus increasing his price. If you're Carolina, what's your move after you missed on every FA? for example. Fkn genius.

Genius to let teams spend up all their cap room and price themselves out of an available Desean thus leaving very few possible trade partners?

The well has dried up now. The price of water just went up for a team like Car with SB hopes. And injuries can occur any moment.

Panthers can't even afford water.

 

[Amused to Death]

I know some don't trust Les, but regardless:

Retweeted by Fly Eagles(10-6)
Les Bowen ‏@LesBowen 7m
Source in DeSean's camp says Chip told him to not worry about anything, keep working, and be ready for camp. Not an ironclad no trade, but.

Its all a ploy to motivate DeSean. "you don't like your 10 mil contract? go pound sand and see what you get on the open market. we're serious. now shut up and play".

 

[dhockster]

One thing that I feel like isn't being discussed enough is the fact that as good as DeSean is, I don't think he's an elite WR. He is an elite deep threat (and when he loses that speed, his elite ability is gone and do you really think he'll turn into a good possession receiver?), but I can think of plenty of receivers who I'd rather have. For arguments sake, we'll say that he IS an elite WR. Is that position so important we absolutely NEED to have him, no matter what the salary cap/locker room ramifications are?

Calvin Johnson's the best receiver in the league. But in his time there, the Lions have went 7-9, 0-16, 2-14, 6-10, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9. 36-76 in his career. The key to success is the quarterback and the coach. The jury is still out on whether Foles is the quarterback. And the same thing goes with Chip Kelly. But in his first year, Chip's offense set franchise and NFL records. Nick Foles, a 3rd round pick who people thought would be traded in the offseason had a 27-2 TD/INT ratio and might have had some say in the MVP race if not for Peyton Manning's ridiculous season. LeSean McCoy had his best year ever. Riley Cooper went from "why are we wasting a roster spot on him?" to career year. DeSean Jackson had a career year, too. But if Chip f'n Kelly can do all of THAT in his first year of coaching in the NFL, and he thinks we don't need DeSean, who are we to doubt him?

That's just my two cents.

Good post. I've said repeatedly "non essential". Simply put, Jackson plays a non essential position for a team with championship aspirations. That's the reality of the WR position. Couple that with the fact that he's undersized, coupled with Kelly's offense, coupled with the other weapons on offense. Why put up with his bs? As Toomer said(I can't believe I just quoted Amani Toomer for words of wisdom), addition by subtraction. A high paid malcontent is the worst for workplace morale. Does anyone seriously think the Eagles will insufficiently score points without him?

The only question that you need to ask yourself: "Is the 2014 Eagles offense better with or without DeSean Jackson?"

No one in their right mind could think it would be better without him. Even if he plays a "non-essential" position, he's better than his replacement will be and the money freed up by getting rid of Jackson won't be used on an equally skilled player.

I think the better question is: Are the 2014 Eagles more likely to get the 2013 DJ or the 2012 DJ? The offense is probably better off with the 2013 DJ but worse off with the 2012 moping DJ. Also, the team as a whole may be better off without his personality poisoning the lockerroom and negatively influencing some younger players.

I like Desean as a player when he is eager to play. The problem is he has shown he is not always eager to play and he brings significant other baggage that negatively impacts the team.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Shouldn't the goal be to get MORE teams bidding on him, not less? At this point in the game, most teams either have filled their need or can no longer absorb the contract number he carries. So if the goal was to wait until now from the get-go, I think its a dumb move. Additionally, now that word has leaked that the Birds may even go so far as to CUT him, his perceived value-which has already been diminished-has now plummeted.

I think all you need is one team to have a need...we know the Jets have interest and knowing they can part with a 3 for a WR could allow them to pick other positions in the draft

 

[ShaHBucks]

And for everyone saying they shouldn't have waited, I don't get that either. They waited for the FA market to dry up to dangle him, thus increasing his price. If you're Carolina, what's your move after you missed on every FA? for example. Fkn genius.

Genius to let teams spend up all their cap room and price themselves out of an available Desean thus leaving very few possible trade partners?

The well has dried up now. The price of water just went up for a team like Car with SB hopes. And injuries can occur any moment.

If they knew Desean was available before Free Agency, would they have been any less desperate for a stud WR? Besides they wouldn't be looking at Desean anyway if they dumped Steve Smith for "attitude problems."Still don't understand a logic in "we'll let everyone spend all their money and then we'll have them right where we want them or you know we'll have to cut him."

You and I are negotiating a trade, you're the Eagles and I'm Car. You call me before FAs to say Desean is availible for a 3rd. I look at his contract and would try for similar/cheaper players like Ginn, who they let go, or Roberts while keeping the pick. I could also get bigger players like Nicks or Decker. No thank you. Now I'm stuck with Jerricho Cotchery after I let go of a "aging" Steve Smith. Try seeing how desperate I'll be when you give me a call this time. Supply went down, so demand goes up. It's right back to simple economics. The timing is fine.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I know some don't trust Les, but regardless:

Retweeted by Fly Eagles(10-6)
Les Bowen ‏@LesBowen 7m
Source in DeSean's camp says Chip told him to not worry about anything, keep working, and be ready for camp. Not an ironclad no trade, but.

He shouldn't worry...its all out of his control and the only thing he can do is work and prepare for camp. Now where that camp is will be up in the air.

 

[Terpman22]

I know some don't trust Les, but regardless:

Retweeted by Fly Eagles(10-6)
Les Bowen ‏@LesBowen 7m
Source in DeSean's camp says Chip told him to not worry about anything, keep working, and be ready for camp. Not an ironclad no trade, but.

Its all a ploy to motivate DeSean. "you don't like your 10 mil contract? go pound sand and see what you get on the open market. we're serious. now shut up and play".

What I have been hoping to be the case.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And for everyone saying they shouldn't have waited, I don't get that either. They waited for the FA market to dry up to dangle him, thus increasing his price. If you're Carolina, what's your move after you missed on every FA? for example. Fkn genius.

Genius to let teams spend up all their cap room and price themselves out of an available Desean thus leaving very few possible trade partners?

The well has dried up now. The price of water just went up for a team like Car with SB hopes. And injuries can occur any moment.

If they knew Desean was available before Free Agency, would they have been any less desperate for a stud WR? Besides they wouldn't be looking at Desean anyway if they dumped Steve Smith for "attitude problems."Still don't understand a logic in "we'll let everyone spend all their money and then we'll have them right where we want them or you know we'll have to cut him."

You and I are negotiating a trade, you're the Eagles and I'm Car. You call me before FAs to say Desean is availible for a 3rd. I look at his contract and would try for similar/cheaper players like Ginn, who they let go, or Roberts while keeping the pick. I could also get bigger players like Nicks or Decker. No thank you.Now I'm stuck with Jerricho Cotchery after I let go of a "aging" Steve Smith. Try seeing how desperate I'll be when you give me a call this time. Supply went down, so demand goes up. It's right back to simple economics. The timing is fine.

And you can add what the Jets owner said and you can become even more desperate

 

[Terpman22]

Jeff McLane ‏@Jeff_McLane 5m
Source close to situation said that DeSean Jackson has called a few #Eagles teammates and told them he's staying after talk with Chip Kelly.

 

[ShaHBucks]

And for everyone saying they shouldn't have waited, I don't get that either. They waited for the FA market to dry up to dangle him, thus increasing his price. If you're Carolina, what's your move after you missed on every FA? for example. Fkn genius.

Genius to let teams spend up all their cap room and price themselves out of an available Desean thus leaving very few possible trade partners?

The well has dried up now. The price of water just went up for a team like Car with SB hopes. And injuries can occur any moment.

If they knew Desean was available before Free Agency, would they have been any less desperate for a stud WR? Besides they wouldn't be looking at Desean anyway if they dumped Steve Smith for "attitude problems."Still don't understand a logic in "we'll let everyone spend all their money and then we'll have them right where we want them or you know we'll have to cut him."

You and I are negotiating a trade, you're the Eagles and I'm Car. You call me before FAs to say Desean is availible for a 3rd. I look at his contract and would try for similar/cheaper players like Ginn, who they let go, or Roberts while keeping the pick. I could also get bigger players like Nicks or Decker. No thank you.Now I'm stuck with Jerricho Cotchery after I let go of a "aging" Steve Smith. Try seeing how desperate I'll be when you give me a call this time. Supply went down, so demand goes up. It's right back to simple economics. The timing is fine.

And you can add what the Jets owner said and you can become even more desperate

Yea, because that Vick to Desean combo won us so many games in Philly! The Jets have a bunch of FA compesation picks to burn. Once they overpay for DJax, I'll be here saying how brilliant the decision was.

 

[Insein]

And for everyone saying they shouldn't have waited, I don't get that either. They waited for the FA market to dry up to dangle him, thus increasing his price. If you're Carolina, what's your move after you missed on every FA? for example. Fkn genius.

Genius to let teams spend up all their cap room and price themselves out of an available Desean thus leaving very few possible trade partners?

The well has dried up now. The price of water just went up for a team like Car with SB hopes. And injuries can occur any moment.

If they knew Desean was available before Free Agency, would they have been any less desperate for a stud WR? Besides they wouldn't be looking at Desean anyway if they dumped Steve Smith for "attitude problems."Still don't understand a logic in "we'll let everyone spend all their money and then we'll have them right where we want them or you know we'll have to cut him."

You and I are negotiating a trade, you're the Eagles and I'm Car. You call me before FAs to say Desean is availible for a 3rd. I look at his contract and would try for similar/cheaper players like Ginn, who they let go, or Roberts while keeping the pick. I could also get bigger players like Nicks or Decker. No thank you. Now I'm stuck with Jerricho Cotchery after I let go of a "aging" Steve Smith. Try seeing how desperate I'll be when you give me a call this time. Supply went down, so demand goes up. It's right back to simple economics. The timing is fine.

So getting a pro bowl calibur 27 year old coming off a 1330-9 season is the same as getting a journeyman kick returner or a guy with chronic knee injuries? You're assuming Carolina would look at the available products and say all are the same except for price. In either case, Carolina only has so much cap room. You let them go and spend it up making any want to do a deal moot since they can't anyway.You're looking at it from the perspective that all WRs are equal. Desean at least, after this season, is a step above anything potentially available. With mike wallace getting $12mil per year just last season for basically being the best of the bunch, you don't think having more teams competing for the asset you have is a good thing?

Eagles lose the power at this point especially if they are leaking that they'll cut him. Teams will either not have the cap space to make a trade or they'd be willing to wait for him to get cut and try their hand at wooing him at a slightly cheaper contract.