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** Official 2014 Philadelphia Eagles Thread ** (2 Viewers)

I'm wearing a hard hat today...large pieces of sky have been seen falling over Philly.
It's unreal actually. Then again it's very real. This is the reaction every time we lose a name we love and WAYYYYYY more often than not it works out in our favor, but no one cares.
I at least want to wait till they actually lose a game before I panic. This could very well end up badly, but I'll wait to see what adjustments they come up with before organizing the search committee for a new head coach.

 
Take a step back from the ledge...good read by Tommy Lawlor, here a piece - more in the link:

No matter how much you might hate the move or it might bug you that they got no compensation, do understand that this wasn’t some knee-jerk move by the Eagles. They knew exactly what they were doing. They knew DeSean could go to a division rival or to some NFC team that they could battle for a playoff spot.

Whether it was Chip Kelly or Howie Roseman that pushed more for the move, you can bet that both guys and owner Jeff Lurie were all on board with the decision. The Eagles are prepared to deal with the backlash of this move, both on and off the field.

By making such a dramatic move, the Eagles opened themselves up to all kinds of criticism. They are going to hear about it every time DeSean scores a TD. They’ll be mocked when he makes some huge plays this season, which a player of DeSean’s caliber is going to do. As much as that should make you scratch your head about why the Eagles would make such a bizarre move, it should also make you understand how strongly they felt about the move.

You don’t cut one of your most talented players on a whim. The Eagles think they can replace him on the field and actually get better off the field with DeSean gone.

No one denies that this move could bite the Eagles in the butt. This move absolutely carries risk with it.

 
DeSean is going to be the man in Was if his head is on straight.
No way he has a better year than he did with Chip.
this. pierre garcon, djax, roberts, reed, moss, hankerson... so how many balls is RG3 going to throw this year? more options for WAS, but no way he repeats his 2013 numbers.if he wanted to showboat and be the #1 receiver, he picked the wrong team.
And I'm sure he will be a good trooper when they are losing and he isn't getting his numbers.

 
@Jeff_McLane: This picture captures one reason DeSean didn't fit Chip's culture. RT @4EverDry: speaks volumes #eagles #redskins http://t.co/s216WwApkL
BS. Check his instagram on 12/30. He celebrated with his teammates. What kind of non-human are we trying to cast him as here?

http://t.co/n3DIjJTIht
My 15 year old daughter gets this dramatic too...
I thought it was fun to be a troll on the internet when I was 15 too.

 
@Jeff_McLane: This picture captures one reason DeSean didn't fit Chip's culture. RT @4EverDry: speaks volumes #eagles #redskins http://t.co/s216WwApkL
BS. Check his instagram on 12/30. He celebrated with his teammates. What kind of non-human are we trying to cast him as here?

http://t.co/n3DIjJTIht
My 15 year old daughter gets this dramatic too...
I thought it was fun to be a troll on the internet when I was 15 too.
I took the McLane pic as a joke...I thought a lot of people would take it as tongue in cheek :shrug:

You took it like mom forgot your birthday..."What kind of non-human" Seriously? :rolleyes:

It's my fault for clicking "View it anyway".....

 
I took the McLane pic as a joke...I thought a lot of people would take it as tongue in cheek :shrug:

You took it like mom forgot your birthday..."What kind of non-human" Seriously? :rolleyes:
I think its asinine to think he didn't celebrate with his teammates. Clearly that's the intent of tweeting the photo, to show him as someone who was celebrating his number instead of joining a team photo. If you take it as evidence of his me-first behavior, it is poor evidence given other pictures from the same day exist.

If you want to take it as a joke or just a symbol, that's fine. Haha, funny joke, that's for posting it in two threads. You're a regular Tosh.0.

 
I took the McLane pic as a joke...I thought a lot of people would take it as tongue in cheek :shrug:

You took it like mom forgot your birthday..."What kind of non-human" Seriously? :rolleyes:
I think its asinine to think he didn't celebrate with his teammates. Clearly that's the intent of tweeting the photo, to show him as someone who was celebrating his number instead of joining a team photo. If you take it as evidence of his me-first behavior, it is poor evidence given other pictures from the same day exist.

If you want to take it as a joke or just a symbol, that's fine. Haha, funny joke, that's for posting it in two threads. You're a regular Tosh.0.
Now THIS one is serious!

@Jeff_McLane: This is better. MT @dhm: Photo from DeSean Jackson's Instagram speaks volumes as to why he didn't fit on Chip's team. http://t.co/I5vGTQiZL8

 
6 players to replace one guy? WR#1 by committee? I'm sure that will work well.

Who's the deep threat that opens things up underneath?

 
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So who's the new Eagles WR#1 now? He cut Jackson, so that must mean he has someone better, right?
Does it matter. While Chip's track record is short it looks pretty good. He made the offense go not Desean. As far as I know Mccoy is still there. I mean do you really think Foles throws 27 tds to 2 int anywhere else? our whole offense has inflated numbers due to chip.

 
6 players to replace one guy? WR#1 by committee? I'm sure that will work well.

Who's the deep threat that opens things up underneath?
We had a guy not named Jackson that averaged roughly 18 ypc which was good enough for 3rd in the NFL....but he only caught those passes because of Jackson, right?

 
6 players to replace one guy? WR#1 by committee? I'm sure that will work well.

Who's the deep threat that opens things up underneath?
It's debatable, but it could be a plus that Foles will get the ball out quicker. In general we don't want him to sit in the pocket waiting for deep throws to open up. Maybe Chip thought this was best for his development, as backwards as that sounds. If he can make several short throws quickly instead of hoping for 1 deep throw, the success rate might be better. And less 3-and-outs. Even if that really is the strategy, I'd still have questions if the talent level is good enough. But I guess wait and see.

 
It's debatable, but it could be a plus that Foles will get the ball out quicker. In general we don't want him to sit in the pocket waiting for deep throws to open up. Maybe Chip thought this was best for his development, as backwards as that sounds. If he can make several short throws quickly instead of hoping for 1 deep throw, the success rate might be better. And less 3-and-outs. Even if that really is the strategy, I'd still have questions if the talent level is good enough. But I guess wait and see.
That's my question too --- if the talent level in the remaining receivers is good enough to sustain what the offense did last year. The offense is a year older and defenses have seen it more now, Jackson is gone, Maclin's coming off an injury.

 
fatness said:
GoBirds said:
fatness said:
So the WR#1 is a coach and a QB.
You are really over rating your new 1 trick pony.
I think the Eagles are underrating the loss of Jackson.
How is this guy, that 2 different coaches have tried to trade - with no takers, suddenly irreplaceable? Remember when the entire NFL laughed at the Eagles for trading McNabb to Washington?

 
fatness said:
GoBirds said:
fatness said:
So the WR#1 is a coach and a QB.
You are really over rating your new 1 trick pony.
I think the Eagles are underrating the loss of Jackson.
DeSean's Career DYAR prior to Chip Kelly according to FBO:

2008 DYAR Rank: 56th

2009 DYAR Rank: 20th

2010 DYAR Rank: 46th

2011 DYAR Rank: 39th

2012 DYAR Rank: 72nd

This is who you think is worth top-5 WR money?

In Chip Kelly Offense:

2013 DYAR Rank: 7th

He's a byproduct of the system. DeSean has never even cracked the top-20 in a stat thats based on being better than the average WR. How can he not be replaced if that's the case? Go look at the numbers Oregon players put up in this offense. Players like Jeff Maehl outproduced DeSean by a wide margin in the same conference while playing for CK. I'm not saying Maehl is better, because he's not, but Chip is responsible for the production. If you believe that then a 3rd round rookie WR would probably be a stud in this offense with Nick Foles while saving 30M+. Heck, even Riley Cooper had a career year. He put up virtually the same #'s as Desean did while playing with Foles. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684751&page=12#entry16623442

I don't believe the rumors either FWIW.
 
fatness said:
GoBirds said:
fatness said:
So the WR#1 is a coach and a QB.
You are really over rating your new 1 trick pony.
I think the Eagles are underrating the loss of Jackson.
DeSean's Career DYAR prior to Chip Kelly according to FBO:

2008 DYAR Rank: 56th

2009 DYAR Rank: 20th

2010 DYAR Rank: 46th

2011 DYAR Rank: 39th

2012 DYAR Rank: 72nd

This is who you think is worth top-5 WR money?

In Chip Kelly Offense:

2013 DYAR Rank: 7th

He's a byproduct of the system. DeSean has never even cracked the top-20 in a stat thats based on being better than the average WR. How can he not be replaced if that's the case? Go look at the numbers Oregon players put up in this offense. Players like Jeff Maehl outproduced DeSean by a wide margin in the same conference while playing for CK. I'm not saying Maehl is better, because he's not, but Chip is responsible for the production. If you believe that then a 3rd round rookie WR would probably be a stud in this offense with Nick Foles while saving 30M+. Heck, even Riley Cooper had a career year. He put up virtually the same #'s as Desean did while playing with Foles. http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=684751&page=12#entry16623442

I don't believe the rumors either FWIW.
PFF has Desean ranked #7 overall WR in 2013. But really I don't care about top 10 rankings either.
2012 - 32

2011 - 60

2010 - 105

2009 - 63

2008 - 69
More fire
 
How is this guy, that 2 different coaches have tried to trade - with no takers, suddenly irreplaceable?
No team was stupid enough to trade for him, and I think all Eagles fans are smart enough to know why. A trade meant giving up a draft pick and taking on Jackson's current contract. Nobody was stupid enough to do that when they all knew he'd be cut, they'd give up no draft picks, and they could negotiate their own contract with him.

 
How is this guy, that 2 different coaches have tried to trade - with no takers, suddenly irreplaceable?
No team was stupid enough to trade for him, and I think all Eagles fans are smart enough to know why. A trade meant giving up a draft pick and taking on Jackson's current contract. Nobody was stupid enough to do that when they all knew he'd be cut, they'd give up no draft picks, and they could negotiate their own contract with him.
Well they were correct this time. Andy dangled him in '12 and had no takers. The point I was trying to make is that 2 head coaches have wanted him off the team, yet he's somehow irreplaceable now that he's cut.

 
fatness said:
6 players to replace one guy? WR#1 by committee? I'm sure that will work well.

Who's the deep threat that opens things up underneath?
3 silly points:

-2006: Without TO, the Eagles lead the league in +20 yard pass plays

-Tom Brady with Randy Moss: 0 SB championships; without Randy Moss: 3 SB Championships

-Randy Moss, TO, Desean Jackson's combined number of Championships: 0

1 serious point:

Maclin, Cooper, and Sproles can all go deep. They may not have the speed that Jackson has, but they are still good enough that they have to be accounted for. I don't recall Chip having to have a dynamic deep threat at Oregon to open things up. If the Eagles have enough viable options, which I think they do, and Chip picks the option that the defense is giving them, then I think they will do just fine.

I think Jackson will help the Redskins get to .500. I just don't think his absence will cause the Eagles to falter much. Yes, this is a homer opinion, but no moreso than you, fatness, thinking the Eagles offense will suffer dramatically without Desean.

 
How is this guy, that 2 different coaches have tried to trade - with no takers, suddenly irreplaceable?
No team was stupid enough to trade for him, and I think all Eagles fans are smart enough to know why. A trade meant giving up a draft pick and taking on Jackson's current contract. Nobody was stupid enough to do that when they all knew he'd be cut, they'd give up no draft picks, and they could negotiate their own contract with him.
Well they were correct this time. Andy dangled him in '12 and had no takers. The point I was trying to make is that 2 head coaches have wanted him off the team, yet he's somehow irreplaceable now that he's cut.
Ian RapoportVerified account ‏@RapSheet Mar 30
#Chiefs & Andy Reid were intrigued by DeSean Jackson, but with limited cap space, can’t match the budding open market. Would’ve loved DeSean
 
How is this guy, that 2 different coaches have tried to trade - with no takers, suddenly irreplaceable?
No team was stupid enough to trade for him, and I think all Eagles fans are smart enough to know why. A trade meant giving up a draft pick and taking on Jackson's current contract. Nobody was stupid enough to do that when they all knew he'd be cut, they'd give up no draft picks, and they could negotiate their own contract with him.
Well they were correct this time. Andy dangled him in '12 and had no takers. The point I was trying to make is that 2 head coaches have wanted him off the team, yet he's somehow irreplaceable now that he's cut.
Ian RapoportVerified account ‏@RapSheet Mar 30

#Chiefs & Andy Reid were intrigued by DeSean Jackson, but with limited cap space, cant match the budding open market. Wouldve loved DeSean
@howardeskin: @RapSheet #chiefs were never in running for @DeseanJackson10 after his release. Andy Reid told @Eagles weeks ago wasn't interested.

 
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fatness said:
6 players to replace one guy? WR#1 by committee? I'm sure that will work well.

Who's the deep threat that opens things up underneath?
You don't need 4.2 or 4.3 speed to become a deep threat and open things up. See the Packers.

Someone will replace him that can get off a jam. Running as many 2 TE sets as we do and as many (hopefully) 2 RB sets that we will this year, there was not as huge of a need for 3 wide receivers.

Maclin replaces DJax. Maclin can get off a jam better than DJax. He can also stretch the field and has rapport with Foles from Foles' first season. Maclin put up really good numbers when Vick went down and Foles came in two years ago.

He'll be a nice fantasy sleeper this year. Probably drafted in the high 20's or low thirties and put up numbers to rank him in the teens.

Also - if the goal is to get the ball out after 1.5 or 2.5 seconds (which it is in this offense), the play doesn't really develop enough for a deep threat to matter.

I really like Desean. I'm a huge fan. I will consider buying his Skins' jersey (was really hoping for a Raiders jersey), but he just wasn't as built for this offense as he was when he had cannon armed Vick and McNabb throwing him the ball in Reid's offense off of the play action.

 
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How is this guy, that 2 different coaches have tried to trade - with no takers, suddenly irreplaceable?
No team was stupid enough to trade for him, and I think all Eagles fans are smart enough to know why. A trade meant giving up a draft pick and taking on Jackson's current contract. Nobody was stupid enough to do that when they all knew he'd be cut, they'd give up no draft picks, and they could negotiate their own contract with him.
Well they were correct this time. Andy dangled him in '12 and had no takers. The point I was trying to make is that 2 head coaches have wanted him off the team, yet he's somehow irreplaceable now that he's cut.
Ian RapoportVerified account ‏@RapSheet Mar 30
#Chiefs & Andy Reid were intrigued by DeSean Jackson, but with limited cap space, can’t match the budding open market. Would’ve loved DeSean
What does that mean? Reid still tried to trade him from the Eagles in '12. And what they say in public doesn't mean that's what they're saying in private.

Both of Jackson's pro head coaches have tried to trade him.

 
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1 serious point:

Maclin, Cooper, and Sproles can all go deep. They may not have the speed that Jackson has, but they are still good enough that they have to be accounted for. I don't recall Chip having to have a dynamic deep threat at Oregon to open things up. If the Eagles have enough viable options, which I think they do, and Chip picks the option that the defense is giving them, then I think they will do just fine.

I think Jackson will help the Redskins get to .500. I just don't think his absence will cause the Eagles to falter much. Yes, this is a homer opinion, but no moreso than you, fatness, thinking the Eagles offense will suffer dramatically without Desean.
I think the Eagles offense will falter without him, probably not dramatically. I think the field that opposing defenses have to cover will be a bit compressed due to lack of a deep threat.

And I don't think Sproles is a deep threat any more. He can catch anything and everything, but he's lost at least one step and perhaps more. Watching him ast year showed that. Still a good pickup for the Eagles though.

 
Both of Jackson's pro head coaches have tried to trade him.
What does that mean? Reid still tried to trade him from the Eagles in '12. And what they say in public doesn't mean that's what their saying in private.
It means one of them wanted him back, but didn't have the cap money available to get it done.

 
Both of Jackson's pro head coaches have tried to trade him.
What does that mean? Reid still tried to trade him from the Eagles in '12. And what they say in public doesn't mean that's what their saying in private.
It means one of them wanted him back, but didn't have the cap money available to get it done.
No it doesnt:

@howardeskin: @RapSheet #chiefs were never in running for @DeseanJackson10 after his release. Andy Reid told @Eagles weeks ago wasn't interested.

 
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Both of Jackson's pro head coaches have tried to trade him.
What does that mean? Reid still tried to trade him from the Eagles in '12. And what they say in public doesn't mean that's what their saying in private.
It means one of them wanted him back, but didn't have the cap money available to get it done.
Or it means Reid didn't want him, but said this publicly because he likes Jackson personally and wanted to make him feel good.

 
I read that the last several times you've posted it. Ian Rappaort is less likely to be biased about it than Eskin. Even an Eagles homer can see that.

 
Both of Jackson's pro head coaches have tried to trade him.
What does that mean? Reid still tried to trade him from the Eagles in '12. And what they say in public doesn't mean that's what their saying in private.
It means one of them wanted him back, but didn't have the cap money available to get it done.
Or it means Reid didn't want him, but said this publicly because he likes Jackson personally and wanted to make him feel good.
Remember when the Saints had no cap money but then had some when good players wanted to sign there?

If someone believes the Cap story from Andy they should have their head examined. If he was wanted they would have found the money.

Only one team wanted Desean...agents have been playing Snyder like a fiddle for years, this is no different.

 
I read that the last several times you've posted it. Ian Rappaort is less likely to be biased about it than Eskin. Even an Eagles homer can see that.
Ask ANY Eagles homer who would be more likely to know Andy Reid out of the two in those tweets....

It's not even close

 

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