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** Official 2014 Philadelphia Eagles Thread ** (1 Viewer)

Huff:Positives

Played a versatile role in Oregon's offense, lining up wide, in the slot and even in the backfield.

Used most frequently in the slot where he will likely see the most playing time in the NFL.

Prototypical build for a slot receiver—height limits his ability downfield, but he's strong enough to handle himself against most nickel cornerbacks in the slot.

Willing to work across the middle and has shown the ability to hang on to the ball after a hit.

Can be extremely dangerous after the catch—he's quick enough to make guys miss, has the speed to take it the distance and has the tough, sturdy build to break tackles.

Flashes the ability to put together double moves to break free over the top.

His agility and speed give him the potential to continue to develop his route running.

Acceleration is impressive, which forces defensive backs to respect his ability to beat them off the line of scrimmage.

Combination of strength, agility and pure speed gives him the tools to excel against press coverage, although he has limited experience facing it.

Elite blocking skills for his size.

Has experience returning kicks and also blocking on the punt return unit.

 
@Jeff_McLane: I'm sure Howie had to wrestle Chip to make that selection. Huff is 5-11, 206 pounds. Caught 62 passes for 1,140 yds and 12 TDs last year.

 
Avant replacement

Josh Huff, WR, Oregon
Height: 5-11. Weight: 206.
40 Time: 4.51.
Projected Round (2014): 3-4.
5/6/14: In 2013, Huff collected 62 receptions for 1,140 yards and 12 touchdowns. He is sudden and quick with the ability to beat defenses downfield. Huff finished the regular season on a strong note. He looks like a good slot receiver candidate for the NFL. Huff played well at the Senior Bowl and had a solid Combine.

8/3/13: Like the other skill-position players at Oregon, Huff is a good athlete with speed. The junior registered 32 receptions for 493 yards with seven touchdowns last year. He had 31 catches for 430 yards and two scores in 2011.

Huff hasn't gotten a lot of targets given the Ducks' running offense, but that could change as a senior since Oregon has lost Kenjon Barner and LaMichael James in the draft the past two years. Quarterback Marcus Mariota has a lot of ability and should throw more having gaining a year of experience. For the NFL, Huff looks like he could be a nice weapon as a slot receiver.

Edit: Now have Maclin, Cooper, Mathews with Huff likely in the slot. We did need depth at WR, got some, and added picks.

 
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Sounds like a reach with issues:

WEAKNESSES Could stand to get stronger. Was not pressed at Oregon. Lacks elite explosion and top speed to pull away vertically. Limited route tree. Could stand to refine his route running. Lets some throws into his body and tends to trap some. Not a go-up-and-get-it guy (average leaping ability). Is relatively naïve through no fault of his own and off-field maturation is a work in progress. Could require emotional support and professional mentorship in order to avoid the pitfalls of NFL trappings.

DRAFT PROJECTION Rounds 5-6

BOTTOM LINE Smooth, competitive, versatile receiver with an impressive skill set which translates well to the evolution of NFL offenses. Can work at flanker or slot and has potential to become a No. 2 or No. 3 receiver in a system incorporating spread concepts. Is the type of player you root for, having persevered through an adverse upbringing and lingering baggage, which forced him to mature the hard way. Would be best served landing in a close-knit locker room with a nurturing position coach.

 
Nucker101 said:
Andy takes Gaines, ouch. Love a lot of guys who went in this range(right before Huff and now after).
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Its apparent now the secondary as a whole is not an issue to them. They probably would have taken Dix but otherwise they addressed their needs in FA in their minds.

 
Not feeling the way I did last year, C- is generous at this point. Mathews was a decent pick but not getting good value for where we are taking these guys.

That said....we could put up some serious points this year.

 
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@GeoffMosherCSN: Chip sais he's a great special teams player, physical player, versatile. Used to be RB. Thinks he can stand out on spec teams.

 
Rotoworld take:

Eagles selected Oregon WR Josh Huff with the No. 86 overall pick in the 2014 NFL draft.
Chip Kelly brings in one of his own. Huff (5-foot-11, 206) made 36 starts for the Ducks, finishing his career with 144 catches for 2,366 yards (16.4 YPR) and 24 touchdowns. He ran a 4.51 forty with a 35 1/2-inch vertical and 9-foot-8 broad jump at the Combine. Although Huff is not an eye-catching physical specimen, he plays with physicality, possesses sure hands, and is a high-effort run blocker. There is a chance Huff will evolve into a quality No. 3 or lower-end No. 2 receiver in the NFL. Kelly likely sees Huff as a candidate to replace Jason Avant in the slot.
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Thought there were some good guards left. Don't mind Huff but he seems like a guy you can get later especially since he seems to have some issues.

 
Loved the Mathews pick. Don't really like this one so much, but like the way the Eagles have moved around and picked up extra picks

 
Didn't they draft Barkley last year with the first pick of day 3? That doesn't really give me a whole lot of hope about that pick being "more valuable".

 
renesauz said:
Loved the Mathews pick. Don't really like this one so much, but like the way the Eagles have moved around and picked up extra picks
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I agree with this. Mathews surprised people with his combine 40 and clearly has a good head on his shoulders. We did do a good job picking up extra picks. If Smith pans out it will be a good draft.

 
So far the only move I'm not really on board with is the Huff pick. I'm interested to see what they do with their next two picks. Has to be either LB, OL or DB, right?

 
@lawlornfl: Let's take a look at what the #Eagles have done so far in the draft & also talk about some players they passed on. http://t.co/gdvz9onOUR

Taking Stock

Posted: May 10th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 19 Comments »

Lets take a look at what the Eagles have done so far.

1st round OLB Marcus Smith Louisville 6-3 , 251

2nd round WR Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt 6-3, 212

3rd round WR Josh Huff Oregon 5-11, 205

I like all 3 players quite a bit. But lets set aside feelings and focus on what the picks tell us. All of the players are versatile. Smith is a former QB that played DE and LB for Louisville. Matthews played inside and outside for Vandy. Huff played some RB, but spent most of his career at WR. He played in the slot and outside. He also was a KOR.

The players have good size. Smith is almost 6-3 1/2. He was 258 pounds at the Combine. He dropped down to 251 for his workouts, but I anticipate hell play at closer to 260 pounds. He has long arms and big hands. Matthews has good size for a WR. The note I wrote about him at the Senior Bowl weigh-in was muscular. Some of you may think thats dumb. Shouldnt all players be muscular? My note tells me that he stood out as muscular compared to the other players. Matthews also has long arms and big hands. Huff might be short at 5-11, but if you compare Combine weigh-ins between him and DeSean, Huff weighed 36 pounds more. And hes not fat. My note on him from the Senior Bowl weigh-incut.

Numbers aside, put on the game tape and you see physical play from all 3 of the draft picks. They were able to physically beat the guy across from them. Many fans assumed Kellys teams at Oregon were finesse units built on elite speed. Not so, as people are starting to find out. Oregon players were as tough as they were fast. They blocked. They tackled. They played STs. The glamour came after the dirty work.

Kelly wants players who can play through contact. That gave Nnamdi and DRC no chance to stay. It meant that DeSean faced an uphill battle to be a long term fit. Jeremy Maclin has to prove that he will do that. Speed and skill are critical, but football is a brutal, physical game. There are times when you have to be able to deal with contact and still get the job done.

All of the picks are Seniors. 2 of them have graduated from college and the other will do that soon. The point of this has nothing to do with academics, but rather accomplishment. The players went to class on a regular basis. They did their work. They balanced a schedule and took care of their business. Mature players like that are more likely to work to fit into the football culture that Chip is developing. He wants a commitment on and off the field.

None of these players is a project. Smith is a LB that will play LB. He has good size, skill and athleticism. A guy like Dee Ford (who I dont think the Eagles actually had interest in) would have been a project. Thats also true for Scott Crichton. Both Matthews and Huff have played in spread attacks. Both guys have the skills and experience to fit in right away.

All of the players were highly productive. Smith had 14.5 sacks in 2013. Matthews is the leading receiver in SEC history. He finished his career with 24 TD catches. Huff had 12 TD catches in 2013 and 24 for his career.

These players have NFL size and athleticism. They fit the Eagles schemes. And they fit Kellys culture. Id call that a good trio of selections.

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Some people wondered about the WR moves. Why go up for Matthews? The Eagles could have stayed put and gotten another talented WR. Thats missing the point entirely. You dont draft positions. You draft players. Martavis Bryant was a one-year wonder at Clemson. Jordan Matthews carried the Vandy offense for several years. Bryant was taller, faster and probably more athletic overall, but Matthews is a guy the Eagles clearly valued. Dont make the mistake of thinking players are interchangeable.

Did Huff go early? I didnt have him as a 3rd rounder, but that doesnt mean the Eagles didnt. I love the player. He was on my list of Players I Want the Eagles to Get. I didnt get a chance to write much about Huff this spring, but I watched him in action and was really impressed.

Both Matthews and Huff can play in the slot. They will provide more athleticism than Jason Avant.

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Why pass on Louis Nix? Obviously NFL teams had concerns or Nix wouldnt have slid to the late 3rd. I dont know if the concerns are character or medical.

Another issue is that hes more of a 2-down player. Those guys just arent as valuable in todays NFL. And Nix didnt post good numbers in his workouts. That may have led teams to think his weight would be an ongoing issue.

I didnt want Nix. More than a few of you on Twitter thought I was nuts for not wanting Nix to replace Bennie Logan. There is a lot of talk about the Saints game and what Logan did. Ill write about that game in the coming weeks. Things didnt happen quite as people remember. The Saints ran to the outside more than the inside. Logan wasnt great of course, but he was hardly the Eagles biggest problem in that game.

And you have to understand that Logan has a chance to improve. Hes bulking up to the 320 range, which is plenty of size for a NT. The Eagles do need depth there, but thats why Jerry Azzinaro went to some smaller schools to work out late round/UDFA types.

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Whats up with Brandon Graham? I sure hope the Eagles are talking to teams tonight about him. If Graham isnt part of the long term plans, move him for something.

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Liking/Hating Picks

Some of you tell me you hate a pick. Thats fine. Were all entitled to an opinion.

More important than liking or hating a pick is trying to understand it. What were the Eagles thinking? Why did they make that move? Thats what I do with the Eagles picks.

The Eagles have more information than we do. Theyve spent hundreds of hours studying each prospect. They have done tons of personal research on the kids. The Eagles arent always right, but they are making a very informed decision.

I cant answer each one of you that is unhappy with a pick. I see the comments. Ill answer a question if I can, but I dont have the time to react to every Worst pick ever. Kelly better be on the hot seat comment.
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Bigboy10182000 said:
@lawlornfl: Let's take a look at what the #Eagles have done so far in the draft & also talk about some players they passed on. http://t.co/gdvz9onOUR

Taking Stock

Posted: May 10th, 2014 | Author: Tommy Lawlor | Filed under: Philadelphia Eagles | 19 Comments »

Lets take a look at what the Eagles have done so far.

1st round OLB Marcus Smith Louisville 6-3 , 251

2nd round WR Jordan Matthews Vanderbilt 6-3, 212

3rd round WR Josh Huff Oregon 5-11, 205

I like all 3 players quite a bit. But lets set aside feelings and focus on what the picks tell us. All of the players are versatile. Smith is a former QB that played DE and LB for Louisville. Matthews played inside and outside for Vandy. Huff played some RB, but spent most of his career at WR. He played in the slot and outside. He also was a KOR.

The players have good size. Smith is almost 6-3 1/2. He was 258 pounds at the Combine. He dropped down to 251 for his workouts, but I anticipate hell play at closer to 260 pounds. He has long arms and big hands. Matthews has good size for a WR. The note I wrote about him at the Senior Bowl weigh-in was muscular. Some of you may think thats dumb. Shouldnt all players be muscular? My note tells me that he stood out as muscular compared to the other players. Matthews also has long arms and big hands. Huff might be short at 5-11, but if you compare Combine weigh-ins between him and DeSean, Huff weighed 36 pounds more. And hes not fat. My note on him from the Senior Bowl weigh-incut.

Numbers aside, put on the game tape and you see physical play from all 3 of the draft picks. They were able to physically beat the guy across from them. Many fans assumed Kellys teams at Oregon were finesse units built on elite speed. Not so, as people are starting to find out. Oregon players were as tough as they were fast. They blocked. They tackled. They played STs. The glamour came after the dirty work.

Kelly wants players who can play through contact. That gave Nnamdi and DRC no chance to stay. It meant that DeSean faced an uphill battle to be a long term fit. Jeremy Maclin has to prove that he will do that. Speed and skill are critical, but football is a brutal, .........
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Good read.

I don't particularly like the Huff pick, but it's far from "worst pick ever" territory. He seems like a good fit, just a half round to a round early- and that's really no big deal in the 3rd.

 
Eagles are clearly working off of a different set of rules than we are. Based on our scheme and what we look for, Marcus Smith is probably better than Anthony Barr :gulp:. People didn't understand the Seahawks moves the past few years either. They ended up turning convintional football wisdom on it's ears. I can see the game-plan. It's better than not having a vision at all, like some teams. I don't agree with it, but I'm in wait and see mode and learning to get used to it.

 
ShaHBucks said:
Eagles are clearly working off of a different set of rules than we are. Based on our scheme and what we look for, Marcus Smith is probably better than Anthony Barr :gulp:. People didn't understand the Seahawks moves the past few years either. They ended up turning convintional football wisdom on it's ears. I can see the game-plan. It's better than not having a vision at all, like some teams. I don't agree with it, but I'm in wait and see mode and learning to get used to it.
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Its where Im at too. Its only a gut feeling but Marcus Smith doesnt have the Brandon Graham feel. Ill reserve judgement on him till he plays. The WRs though Im happy with. I dont care if he is an Oregon guy. He only went maybe a round to early. If everyone knew what they know about Wes Welker now back when he was drafted, theyd be reaching in the first for him. Value is ok to a point in rhe real draft. You get the guys you want to play your scheme.

 
ShaHBucks said:
Eagles are clearly working off of a different set of rules than we are. Based on our scheme and what we look for, Marcus Smith is probably better than Anthony Barr :gulp:. People didn't understand the Seahawks moves the past few years either. They ended up turning convintional football wisdom on it's ears. I can see the game-plan. It's better than not having a vision at all, like some teams. I don't agree with it, but I'm in wait and see mode and learning to get used to it.
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Definitely different. 2 of the 3 picks can be considered "reaches" but if Smith can provide an edge rush and Huff replace Avant as a more talented slot guy...good draft.

Love Matthews pick.

Would love to see them add Yankee in 4th. 6'6" guard from power run team in Stanford.

 
Mighty Mice said:
ShaHBucks said:
Eagles are clearly working off of a different set of rules than we are. Based on our scheme and what we look for, Marcus Smith is probably better than Anthony Barr :gulp:. People didn't understand the Seahawks moves the past few years either. They ended up turning convintional football wisdom on it's ears. I can see the game-plan. It's better than not having a vision at all, like some teams. I don't agree with it, but I'm in wait and see mode and learning to get used to it.
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Definitely different. 2 of the 3 picks can be considered "reaches" but if Smith can provide an edge rush and Huff replace Avant as a more talented slot guy...good draft.

Love Matthews pick.

Would love to see them add Yankee in 4th. 6'6" guard from power run team in Stanford.
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This is kind of my point. From playing FF I learn how relative "value" is in a draft. Smith could have been a top 10-15 player on their board that they knew they could get later for all we know. Smith is a talent btw. You can't agrue with getting a good player anywhere in the draft. Opportunity cost is another story. I don't know how the puzzle looks that the Eagles staff are figuring out. It would be ignorant to reject it on that notion alone. Just know size, versatility and scheme fits is just the new norm.

 
Insein said:
ShaHBucks said:
Eagles are clearly working off of a different set of rules than we are. Based on our scheme and what we look for, Marcus Smith is probably better than Anthony Barr :gulp:. People didn't understand the Seahawks moves the past few years either. They ended up turning convintional football wisdom on it's ears. I can see the game-plan. It's better than not having a vision at all, like some teams. I don't agree with it, but I'm in wait and see mode and learning to get used to it.
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Its where Im at too. Its only a gut feeling but Marcus Smith doesnt have the Brandon Graham feel. Ill reserve judgement on him till he plays. The WRs though Im happy with. I dont care if he is an Oregon guy. He only went maybe a round to early. If everyone knew what they know about Wes Welker now back when he was drafted, theyd be reaching in the first for him. Value is ok to a point in rhe real draft. You get the guys you want to play your scheme.
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Smith and Graham are definitely very different physically.

 
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