***Official 2014 World Cup Thread*** (5 Viewers)

[B Maverick]

Is there any precedent for EPL suspending a player for actions that occurred off the EPL pitch?

Hire Goodell!!!!

Luis Suarez has been suspended 4 games from the NFL

 

[Sammy3469]

Luis Suarez has never been on the losing team in a game in which he's bitten an opponent.

Ajax 0-0

Liverpool 2-2

Uruguay 1-0

nor even carded

 

[Sinn Fein]

http://www.espnfc.com/gamecast/383266/gamecast.html

click on the video for the red card

 

[ffldrew]

So Suarez is definitely cap tied? Because it looks like he has a case to play for Romania

or start reffing

I've heard Ann Rice is getting an exclusive interview with these two.

 

[SmoovySmoov]

It's kinda like when Dave Chappelle was asked to testify against Michael Jackson:

"He scored 31 goals last season, man. 31 goals."

 

[Sammy3469]

http://www.espnfc.com/gamecast/383266/gamecast.html

click on the video for the red card

Love the ESPN Live Scroll:

79'
Giorgio Chiellini (Italy) wins a free kick in the defensive half.

 

[El Floppo]

I think it's a fairly debatable call. I don't know if there was an intent to stud the guy in the shin. That's what he did, though. I've certainly seen it given before, and if it looked like a deliberate stab/stomp to the ref, then it's an easy call.

exactly.

thanks for the ESPN link above- two different angles cements it as clear red for me, despite whether the Italian meant it or not.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I mean Marchisio, had the ball - its not often you get a red card for a tackle when you have the ball...

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Luis Suarez has never been on the losing team in a game in which he's bitten an opponent.

Ajax 0-0

Liverpool 2-2

Uruguay 1-0

nor even carded

And the altercations never seem that heated leading up to it. I want to say that he's doing it to try to draw a reaction and get the other guy red carded, but he can't possibly be deluded into thinking that's a +EV move after his last two experiences. Its so weird.

 

[Sammy3469]

Luis Suarez has never been on the losing team in a game in which he's bitten an opponent.

Ajax 0-0

Liverpool 2-2

Uruguay 1-0

nor even carded

And the altercations never seem that heated leading up to it. I want to say that he's doing it to try to draw a reaction and get the other guy red carded, but he can't possibly be deluded into thinking that's a +EV move after his last two experiences. Its so weird.

Well this one was +EV.

 

[El Floppo]

I mean Marchisio, had the ball - its not often you get a red card for a tackle when you have the ball...

well, to be fair- it helps to stomp on the other guy's leg to help maintain possession.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Luis Suarez has never been on the losing team in a game in which he's bitten an opponent.

Ajax 0-0

Liverpool 2-2

Uruguay 1-0

nor even carded

And the altercations never seem that heated leading up to it. I want to say that he's doing it to try to draw a reaction and get the other guy red carded, but he can't possibly be deluded into thinking that's a +EV move after his last two experiences. Its so weird.

Well this one was +EV.

Not sure I buy the theory that the Italians were too incensed to bother to mark Godin.

 

[TheIronSheik]

So FIFA can institute their own judicial system, sentence people to years in prison and do so in a swift manner, yet they can't suspend a player for biting someone on the pitch during a match?

 

[Sinn Fein]

I am going to guess that Suarez is not disciplined during the WC, if at all.

:noted:

 

[B Maverick]

I am going to guess that Suarez is not disciplined during the WC, if at all.

:noted:

The ref will note in his report that he saw suarez head but cheiliani but didnt think it was worthy of calling or carding. He wasnt sure what the Italian was showing him on his shoulder.

FIFA will say the ref saw it and didnt do anything so neither can we...

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Richard Conway
BBC Sport
"Fifa do have the right to impose all football activity bans and that would include club level. They do have that option open to them but normally it would only apply to international football."

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

So FIFA can institute their own judicial system, sentence people to years in prison and do so in a swift manner, yet they can't suspend a player for biting someone on the pitch during a match?

This has been sloppily reported. The "FIFA" courts in South Africa were South African courts, set up by South Africa as a condition for winning the World Cup. I imagine its the same in Brazil. FIFA didn't just arbitrarily create laws and arrest people. They asked South Africa to institute laws (and even suspend some of their constitutional protections) in advance of the World Cup. That's scandalous enough, I suppose, but "FIFA Courts" is a misnomer.

 

[B Maverick]

Richard ConwayBBC Sport
"Fifa do have the right to impose all football activity bans and that would include club level. They do have that option open to them but normally it would only apply to international football."

Now that we know they can, question is Will they?

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Good GIF here shows the ref's view of the Marchisio tackle. Hard not to think its a red from that angle, IMO.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Richard ConwayBBC Sport
"Fifa do have the right to impose all football activity bans and that would include club level. They do have that option open to them but normally it would only apply to international football."

Now that we know they can, question is Will they?

Doubt it. Still think he'll get a two year ban from international play though.

 

[Jaysus]

I am certain that Chiellini will get a 5 game ban for this reckless comment: link

Sore losers and such...

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Good GIF here shows the ref's view of the Marchisio tackle. Hard not to think its a red from that angle, IMO.

Yeah... that little follow through at the end didn't show up in the other angles. I do think starting the video there is a little misleading though.

 

[B Maverick]

Good GIF here shows the ref's view of the Marchisio tackle. Hard not to think its a red from that angle, IMO.

Yeah... that little follow through at the end didn't show up in the other angles. I do think starting the video there is a little misleading though.

Sitting here I think the red is harsh. Had I been the defender getting spiked I would have been all over the ref had he not given a red...

 

[Sinn Fein]

Men in Blazers @MenInBlazers
For those wondering the MIB 4 hour Panic Room special "Suarez is Innocent" will be on ESPNFC around 7 eastern. #Misunderstood

 

[El Floppo]

Good GIF here shows the ref's view of the Marchisio tackle. Hard not to think its a red from that angle, IMO.

Yeah... that little follow through at the end didn't show up in the other angles. I do think starting the video there is a little misleading though.

huh.. I saw the follow through in all the angles- albeit not as prominently as in this one.

 

[Time Kibitzer]

Good GIF here shows the ref's view of the Marchisio tackle. Hard not to think its a red from that angle, IMO.

What am I missing here? Looks like his studs graze the dude's knee a bit, but how is that a "tried-and-trued" way of breaking a person's leg? And I'm not really seeing any follow through...he twists his leg but I can't tell if his studs are still touching the guy at that point from that camera angle.

 

[The Z Machine]

I am going to guess that Suarez is not disciplined during the WC, if at all.

:noted:

Agreed.

 

[Sinn Fein]

I am going to guess that Suarez is not disciplined during the WC, if at all.

:noted:

The ref will note in his report that he saw suarez head but cheiliani but didnt think it was worthy of calling or carding. He wasnt sure what the Italian was showing him on his shoulder.

FIFA will say the ref saw it and didnt do anything so neither can we...

Martyn Ziegler @martynziegler
FIFA announce will investigate Suarez biting incident: "will gather all the necessary elements in order to evaluate the matter"

 

[El Floppo]

Good GIF here shows the ref's view of the Marchisio tackle. Hard not to think its a red from that angle, IMO.

Yeah... that little follow through at the end didn't show up in the other angles. I do think starting the video there is a little misleading though.

Sitting here I think the red is harsh. Had I been the defender getting spiked I would have been all over the ref had he not given a red...

that's it.

 

[QuizGuy66]

If FIFA would just institute the orange slice break for every game Suarez wouldn't feel the need to get his own snack.

-QG

 

[jonessed]

http://www.espnfc.com/gamecast/383266/gamecast.html

click on the video for the red card

I think you need to be a lot more sure the move was intentional before you blow up a game of this importance.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Good GIF here shows the ref's view of the Marchisio tackle. Hard not to think its a red from that angle, IMO.

What am I missing here? Looks like his studs graze the dude's knee a bit, but how is that a "tried-and-trued" way of breaking a person's leg?

I think the article is a bit hyperbolic. While studs-up over the ball tackles are good ways to break a leg, I don't think that's the best analogue for what we're seeing. What we're seeing is a player kicking out at another player in frustration (or having a stomp), IMO. And that's generally a red when Beckham or Rooney or whoever does it.

 

[Celph Titled]

It's kinda like when Dave Chappelle was asked to testify against Michael Jackson:

"He scored 31 goals last season, man. 31 goals."

So good.

audio nsfw: http://www.cc.com/video-clips/5uemlz/chappelle-s-show-celebrity-trial-jury-selection---uncensored

 

[El Floppo]

Good GIF here shows the ref's view of the Marchisio tackle. Hard not to think its a red from that angle, IMO.

What am I missing here? Looks like his studs graze the dude's knee a bit, but how is that a "tried-and-trued" way of breaking a person's leg?

Not sure what you're missing, and not sure what a tried and true way of breaking a person's leg has to do with calling this a red.

He comes in over the ball. WAY over the ball. and puts his studs into the other guy's shin right below the knee. Right in front of the ref. Did you see all of that stuff?

 

[El Floppo]

http://www.espnfc.com/gamecast/383266/gamecast.html

click on the video for the red card

I think you need to be a lot more sure the move was intentional before you blow up a game of this importance.

I'm sure you're trolling on this, but I'll bite [suarez]

intention is irrelevant. rules are rules.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Greece is the game to watch by the way. It be would just for the Elephants to go through but I have this weird feeling that Ug-ball is gonna find a way.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

So I'm not the only one that wants to punch my TV whenever that iPhone Chickenfat ad comes on, right?

-QG

 

[El Floppo]

Greece is the game to watch by the way. It be would just for the Elephants to go through but I have this weird feeling that Ug-ball is gonna find a way.

-QG

I keep going back and forth about this... picture in picture isn't working for me.

I think I'll opt for Colombia Japan- still a lot for Japan to play for and the game should be more entertaining style-wise.

 

[jonessed]

http://www.espnfc.com/gamecast/383266/gamecast.html

click on the video for the red card

I think you need to be a lot more sure the move was intentional before you blow up a game of this importance.

I'm sure you're trolling on this, but I'll bite [suarez]

intention is irrelevant. rules are rules.

This is different than sliding into someone with studs up. I think he was ejected for unsportsmanship, not dangerous play, as the play itself was relatively harmless.

It's OK for people to have a different opinion. That doesn't mean they are trolling.

 

[Ilov80s]

What's the outlook for this group?

 

[The Gator]

Greece is the game to watch by the way. It be would just for the Elephants to go through but I have this weird feeling that Ug-ball is gonna find a way.

-QG

I keep going back and forth about this... picture in picture isn't working for me.

I think I'll opt for Colombia Japan- still a lot for Japan to play for and the game should be more entertaining style-wise.

Honda for a hat-trick

 

[QuizGuy66]

Okay time for more scenarios.

Group C: Greece's ugliness might be rewarded yet - that 0-0 result wasn't the worst thing for them. Though it naturally was better for Colombia and Cote D'Ivoire. Japan's inability to capitalize on the man-advantage has them just about cooked. Anyway.

Colombia: Has clinched a spot in the knock out round.

Will finish first with:

1) a win or tie vs Japan

or 2) a loss and a loss or tie by Cote D'Ivoire

or 3) a loss and a win by Cote D'Ivoire where the combined margin of the games is 3 or less.

or 4) a loss and a win by Cote D'Ivoire where the combined margin of games is exactly 4 and Cote D'Ivoire fails to outscore Colombia by 3 or more.

Cote D'Ivoire:

Will finish first with:

1) a win and a loss by Colombia where the combined marging of the games is 5 or more.

or 2) a win and a loss by Colombia where the combined margin of the games is exactly 4 and Cote D'Ivoire outscores Colombia by 3 or more.

Will clinch a spot in the knock out round with:

1) a win

or 2) a tie and a Japan loss or tie

or 3) a tie and a Japan win by exactly 1 and Japan fails to outscore Cote D'Ivoire by 3 or more.

Cote D'Ivoire is out with a loss.

Greece

Will clinch a spot in the knock out round with:

1) a win and a Japan loss or tie

or 2) a win and a Japan win and Greece's margin of victory is at least 3 goals more than Japan's margin of victory

or 3) a win and a Japan win and Greece's margin of victory is exactly 2 goals more than Japans' margin of victory and Greece outscores Japan by at least 2 goals

or 4) a win and a Japan win and Greece's margin of victory is exactly 2 goals more than Japan's margin of victory and Greece outscores Japan by exactly 1 goal and Greece wins the ensuing drawing of lots.

Greece is out with a loss or tie

Japan

Will clinch a spot in the knockout round with:

1) a win by 2 or more goals and a Cote D'Ivoire tie

or 2) a win by exactly 1 and a Cote D'Ivoire tie and Japan outscores Cote D'Ivoire by 3 or more

or 3) a win and a Greece win and Greece's margin of victory is not more than 1 greater than Japan's margin of victory

or 4) a win and a Greece win and Greece's margin of victory is exactly 2 greater than Japan's margin of victory and Greece fails to outscore Japan

or 5) a win and a Greece win and Greece's margin of victory is exactly 2 greater than Japan's margin of victoyr and Greece outscores Japan by exactly 1 goal and Japan wins the ensuing drawing of lots.

Japan is out with a loss or tie.

So there ya go

Pretty simple, eh?

-QG

Bumpity for today

-QG

Rebump because of the 8 pages of Suarez

-QG

 

[Sinn Fein]

Jeff Carlisle @JeffreyCarlisle
Uruguay captain Diego Lugano (translated): "You have to be stupid to think that mark on Chiellini is from today." #ITAvsURU

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

So I'm not the only one that wants to punch my TV whenever that iPhone Chickenfat ad comes on, right?

-QG

I kind of love that this song was commissioned by JFK and played by schools during gym class.

 

[Ramsay Hunt Experience]

Jeff Carlisle @JeffreyCarlisle
Uruguay captain Diego Lugano (translated): "You have to be stupid to think that mark on Chiellini is from today." #ITAvsURU

Also, the moon landing was totally faked.

 

[The Gator]

Jeff Carlisle @JeffreyCarlisle
Uruguay captain Diego Lugano (translated): "You have to be stupid to think that mark on Chiellini is from today." #ITAvsURU

 

[Eephus]

Jeff Carlisle @JeffreyCarlisle

Uruguay captain Diego Lugano (translated): "You have to be stupid to think that mark on Chiellini is from today." #ITAvsURU

It's a mosquito bite from Manaus

 

[Ilov80s]

Okay time for more scenarios.

Group C: Greece's ugliness might be rewarded yet - that 0-0 result wasn't the worst thing for them. Though it naturally was better for Colombia and Cote D'Ivoire. Japan's inability to capitalize on the man-advantage has them just about cooked. Anyway.

Colombia: Has clinched a spot in the knock out round.

Will finish first with:

1) a win or tie vs Japan

or 2) a loss and a loss or tie by Cote D'Ivoire

or 3) a loss and a win by Cote D'Ivoire where the combined margin of the games is 3 or less.

or 4) a loss and a win by Cote D'Ivoire where the combined margin of games is exactly 4 and Cote D'Ivoire fails to outscore Colombia by 3 or more.

Cote D'Ivoire:

Will finish first with:

1) a win and a loss by Colombia where the combined marging of the games is 5 or more.

or 2) a win and a loss by Colombia where the combined margin of the games is exactly 4 and Cote D'Ivoire outscores Colombia by 3 or more.

Will clinch a spot in the knock out round with:

1) a win

or 2) a tie and a Japan loss or tie

or 3) a tie and a Japan win by exactly 1 and Japan fails to outscore Cote D'Ivoire by 3 or more.

Cote D'Ivoire is out with a loss.

Greece

Will clinch a spot in the knock out round with:

1) a win and a Japan loss or tie

or 2) a win and a Japan win and Greece's margin of victory is at least 3 goals more than Japan's margin of victory

or 3) a win and a Japan win and Greece's margin of victory is exactly 2 goals more than Japans' margin of victory and Greece outscores Japan by at least 2 goals

or 4) a win and a Japan win and Greece's margin of victory is exactly 2 goals more than Japan's margin of victory and Greece outscores Japan by exactly 1 goal and Greece wins the ensuing drawing of lots.

Greece is out with a loss or tie

Japan

Will clinch a spot in the knockout round with:

1) a win by 2 or more goals and a Cote D'Ivoire tie

or 2) a win by exactly 1 and a Cote D'Ivoire tie and Japan outscores Cote D'Ivoire by 3 or more

or 3) a win and a Greece win and Greece's margin of victory is not more than 1 greater than Japan's margin of victory

or 4) a win and a Greece win and Greece's margin of victory is exactly 2 greater than Japan's margin of victory and Greece fails to outscore Japan

or 5) a win and a Greece win and Greece's margin of victory is exactly 2 greater than Japan's margin of victoyr and Greece outscores Japan by exactly 1 goal and Japan wins the ensuing drawing of lots.

Japan is out with a loss or tie.

So there ya go

Pretty simple, eh?

-QG

Bumpity for today -QG

Rebump because of the 8 pages of Suarez-QG

Thanks

 

[QuizGuy66]

Japan a bit more alive than I thought. The problem is that I just don't see them getting past Colombia

Unless, folks think that perhaps Colombia finds the Costa Rica/Holland/Mexico combo is more appealing than the Uruguay/Brazil/Chile side and decides to try and sandbag.

Side note - wow there could actually be a CONCACAF quarterfinal, eh?

-QG

 

[El Floppo]

http://www.espnfc.com/gamecast/383266/gamecast.html

click on the video for the red card

I think you need to be a lot more sure the move was intentional before you blow up a game of this importance.

I'm sure you're trolling on this, but I'll bite [suarez]

intention is irrelevant. rules are rules.

This is different than sliding into someone with studs up. I think he was ejected for unsportsmanship, not dangerous play, as the play itself was relatively harmless.

It's OK for people to have a different opinion. That doesn't mean they are trolling.

Hey- I don't mind. Noticed you posting something kinda goofy the other day so figured this was your schtick.

If your studs are up, your studs are up. That's the rule. Yes- sliding in will cause more harm, but not really relevant as I see to this particular play.