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****Official 2015 Chicago Bears Offseason Thread **** (2 Viewers)
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Chadstroma
Footballguy
Allen is in decline, no doubt but he is absolutely in the wrong system. He needs his hand in the dirt to be effective. I don't think he would have done well in this system even in his prime.
The Tick
Footballguy
still don't think this is an outrageously bad team, certainly not the worst in the league. No one expected the Bears to win any of these first 3 games before the season started, and now that they are 0-3 everyone is freaking out like this wasn't expected. Can still see 5-6 wins this season.
flapgreen
Footballguy
Spoke with Ken Harris, Jared Allens agent. Trade began with Allen sitting with #Bears GM Ryan Pace & discussing mutually beneficial option
From Twitter. Gotta respect Pace for that. I don't really feel anything one way or another about the move. Pace is slowly getting rid of the Emery mess. Gonna take time. It was worse than we thought
From Twitter. Gotta respect Pace for that. I don't really feel anything one way or another about the move. Pace is slowly getting rid of the Emery mess. Gonna take time. It was worse than we thought
flapgreen
Footballguy
Without Cutler, they're definitely the worst team in the league. They're a terrible team. Either way, you're correct. They were going to be 0-3 no matter what anyway.
The Tick
Footballguy
Agree, with Cutler we still have a good chance to win against Washington and the Bucs with a decent shot at the Lions and 49ers.
KCitons
Footballguy
Five wins? I wish.Since nobody asked, here's my prediction.
5-11 it is.Central Time!!!
Week 1: Sunday, Sept. 13, Green Bay, noon - Loss 31-13 (chalk)
Week 2: Sunday, Sept. 20, Arizona, noon - Win 19-17 (See this as being more of a defensive battle, with Forte running the ball a lot. Fans still have hope for a decent season)
Week 3: Sunday, Sept. 27, at Seattle, 3:25 p.m.- Loss 35-10 (chalk)
Week 4: Sunday, Oct. 4, Oakland, noon - Win 21-13 (it's the Raiders)
Week 5: Sunday, Oct. 11, at Kansas City, noon - Loss 22-21 (Bears lose to by a field goal in the last 2 minutes, Culter has a chance to get in FG position, but throws a game ending INT)
Week 6: Sunday, Oct. 18, at Detroit, noon - Loss 24-10 (Cutler throws 4 INT's and everyone starts asking "will Clausen get the start after the bye?")
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: Sunday, Nov. 1, Minnesota, noon. - Win 24-21 in OT (Cutler starts slow, but puts together a descent 2nd half)
Week 9: Monday, Nov. 9, at San Diego, 7:30 p.m. - Loss 27-10 (Cutler rides previous weeks high into a turnover fest in SD. While Mariota runs on the Bears D-fense for 75 yards and 2 TD's
Week 10: Sunday, Nov. 15, at St. Louis, noon - Loss 17-10
Week 11: Sunday, Nov. 22, Denver, noon - Loss 24-13 Fox loses to his old team, who is QB'd by Osweiler.
Week 12: Thursday, Nov. 26, at Green Bay, 7:30 p.m. - Loss 55-13 (Bears eat a large Turkey dinner right before game. Not only does Cutler look indifferent to the loss, he's seen napping on the bench due to tryptophan overdose)
Week 13: Sunday, Dec. 6, San Francisco, noon - Win - 12-9 (battle of the FG kickers. Both teams are making off season vacation plans and are just going through the motions. But Gould, is gold)
Week 14: Sunday, Dec. 13, Washington, noon - Loss - 24-10 (Jimmy makes his first start of the year)
Week 15: Sunday, Dec. 20, at Minnesota, noon - Loss 28 -13 (Vikings are making a play for final wildcard spot, Bears don't care to be the spoilers)
Week 16: Sunday, Dec. 27, at Tampa Bay, noon - Win 17-14 (Bears come to play in Tampa. In hopes Lovie will sign them to a warmer climate next off season)
Week 17: Sunday, Jan. 3, Detroit, noon - Loss 23 -10 (Bears lock up the #4 overall pick in the 2016 Draft)
looks like 16-0 to me boys
Penguin
Footballguy
RBM
Footballguy
The Tick
Footballguy
This one I get less.... Pats are playing a similar defense that we are, surprised we can't find any use for him yet the Pats think they can.
It surprises you that New England thinks it can figure out a way to use a guy that Chicago can't?
The Tick
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Thanksgiving night, Bears @ Packers. That final score might be 63-0.
KCitons
Footballguy
twistd
Footballguy
I like Pace's draft. It is unfortunate that White got hurt so we can't see what he is yet. The staff is excited about Grasu and Amos. Goldman has shown a little. McPhee was a good signing. Royal was a really stupid signing. They paid too much money for him and he has done nothing.
Allen should have been traded before the season. You might have gotten more for him then. We all saw that many of these players didn't fit this scheme. If Pace did this to accommodate Allen, then that is probably good. But you paid out $11.5 million in a bonus and got nothing in return. It worries me that the Patriots wanted Bostic. The Patriots are a lot smarter than the Bears. So it is likely that the only linebacker on the team that will still be on the team in two years is McPhee. The rest suck. Houston will be gone. Young will be gone. You are stripping down the defense and starting over. But you better hit on the draft picks or this defense will be just as bad in two years as it is now. Bill Parcels would do this with defense. He would rebuild his teams in to a 3-4. It would take two or three years. But Parcels was really good at finding the pieces to make his defense work. The Bears are taking a big chance that Pace can do the same.
I was very excited about this coaching staff. I thought they really assembled a professional, solid coaching staff. I would have to say that I am really disappointed so far. I think the special teams coach should be fired. You give up kick off returns on successive weeks, you get fired. The decision to wait until the week before the season to switch Long to tackle hurt Long, and the team. If this coaching staff is good, the team will get better as the season progresses. But so far I have seen nothing to indicate that will happen.
Allen should have been traded before the season. You might have gotten more for him then. We all saw that many of these players didn't fit this scheme. If Pace did this to accommodate Allen, then that is probably good. But you paid out $11.5 million in a bonus and got nothing in return. It worries me that the Patriots wanted Bostic. The Patriots are a lot smarter than the Bears. So it is likely that the only linebacker on the team that will still be on the team in two years is McPhee. The rest suck. Houston will be gone. Young will be gone. You are stripping down the defense and starting over. But you better hit on the draft picks or this defense will be just as bad in two years as it is now. Bill Parcels would do this with defense. He would rebuild his teams in to a 3-4. It would take two or three years. But Parcels was really good at finding the pieces to make his defense work. The Bears are taking a big chance that Pace can do the same.
I was very excited about this coaching staff. I thought they really assembled a professional, solid coaching staff. I would have to say that I am really disappointed so far. I think the special teams coach should be fired. You give up kick off returns on successive weeks, you get fired. The decision to wait until the week before the season to switch Long to tackle hurt Long, and the team. If this coaching staff is good, the team will get better as the season progresses. But so far I have seen nothing to indicate that will happen.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
Have not hit rock bottom yet but it is coming. It will get worse for at least two more seasons and I only post this because the draft record is a joke. Phillips needs to be fired ASAP. With the rebuild in full tilt this clown needs to go NOW! It is absolutely PAINFUL to sit here and watch the Packers excel and the Bears are the dung heap of the NFL.
This is a tale of two polarizing organizations. Everything the Packers do is efficient and value driven. They have amazing drafts. They have a great stadium. They have an awesome field. They have franchise QBs that win. They have executives and coaches that produce consistently. If they choose to sign a free agent - they get production. They sign undrafted players that produce. They are easily primed to go to the NFC championship and look to be unstoppable at home. They win. They have fun and have been doing this for a good 20 years.
The Bears are the complete opposite. A waste of time to rehash the shortcomings but this team needs someone ANYONE WITH A LICK OF SENSE that has the ability to recognize a franchise QB that will be productive for years and years to come. A QB that has all the qualities required to be a professional on and off the field. A QB that understands how to read defenses. A QB that has a laser for an arm. A QB that can run and make plays happen. A QB that can be developed by embracing mentors and coaches that are competent enough to DEVELOP.
I don't know what the long term damage is to White. This could be YET another spoiled draft pick. This is a tough one to swallow. This organization needs to learn how to draft talented players that fit a system that the entire organization is committed to. This has to be a long term plan with the right people in every role. The Bears are desperate for an A+ draft class. I keep hearing a lot about how they have so many holes. They need to draft and fill in their lines. Make them the best lines in the NFL. Start with the OL with the goal of having at least 2 or 3 all pro OL men withing two years. You draft an all world QB you NEED to protect him. Isn't this the game plan for the Patriots and the Packers?
They are going to blow chunks for a while so build this thing deep one unit at a time.
And for goodness sakes GET OFF THE FREE AGENT TURNSTYLE! The more free agents you sign the more you LOSE!
This is a tale of two polarizing organizations. Everything the Packers do is efficient and value driven. They have amazing drafts. They have a great stadium. They have an awesome field. They have franchise QBs that win. They have executives and coaches that produce consistently. If they choose to sign a free agent - they get production. They sign undrafted players that produce. They are easily primed to go to the NFC championship and look to be unstoppable at home. They win. They have fun and have been doing this for a good 20 years.
The Bears are the complete opposite. A waste of time to rehash the shortcomings but this team needs someone ANYONE WITH A LICK OF SENSE that has the ability to recognize a franchise QB that will be productive for years and years to come. A QB that has all the qualities required to be a professional on and off the field. A QB that understands how to read defenses. A QB that has a laser for an arm. A QB that can run and make plays happen. A QB that can be developed by embracing mentors and coaches that are competent enough to DEVELOP.
I don't know what the long term damage is to White. This could be YET another spoiled draft pick. This is a tough one to swallow. This organization needs to learn how to draft talented players that fit a system that the entire organization is committed to. This has to be a long term plan with the right people in every role. The Bears are desperate for an A+ draft class. I keep hearing a lot about how they have so many holes. They need to draft and fill in their lines. Make them the best lines in the NFL. Start with the OL with the goal of having at least 2 or 3 all pro OL men withing two years. You draft an all world QB you NEED to protect him. Isn't this the game plan for the Patriots and the Packers?
They are going to blow chunks for a while so build this thing deep one unit at a time.
And for goodness sakes GET OFF THE FREE AGENT TURNSTYLE! The more free agents you sign the more you LOSE!
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
All they can do is make changes but fans want to see a strategic plan that will be followed to the T. Fans are tired of throwing mediocrity at gaps which cost draft picks and salary cap hits. Winning drafts translate into conference championships and Super Bowl wins. The Bear's plan has turned into being the laughing stock of the league. Tarred and feathered. Pie in the face at every turn.
This organization's long term strategic plan is to rake in as much money as possible by feeding off their "great" tradition. The tradition for the last 30 years has been a 1-1 record in the Super Bowl and a whole lot of steaming dung. A winning team is a "nice to have" but not necessary as long as the cash flows in from the networks, fan base and merchandising deals.
While change is great it has been nothing but change. What makes this particular change cycle any different that changes in the Jauron, Lovie, Trestman eras? A new GM that has it figured out? His first round pick has a plate in his tibia without ever seeing pre-season. They are now selling off anything they can to get picks. They probably should have traded down this year and moved Forte to Dallas to get even more picks. After reviewing the schedule - they were doomed to fall in their first three games and look like a good bet to lose every division game. Teams are going to rape this team and it will be a complete rebuild that will take years. Rotoworld is reporting that the Bears are willing to trade Forte as he is approaching 30. I am telling you that they have not even smelled rock bottom.
They need to get rid of that bum Phillips now. To have any chance they have to root out everyone that has been a part of the free fall. Unfortunately, the fans will never see the moronic family go anywhere with the fat gravy train they have. A big part of this change is DO NOT GO TO THE GAMES and TURN THEM OFF. See how fast the Cubs turned their gravy train into a winning long term strategic plan after the fans said ummmm no thanks and stopped going to the games.
This organization's long term strategic plan is to rake in as much money as possible by feeding off their "great" tradition. The tradition for the last 30 years has been a 1-1 record in the Super Bowl and a whole lot of steaming dung. A winning team is a "nice to have" but not necessary as long as the cash flows in from the networks, fan base and merchandising deals.
While change is great it has been nothing but change. What makes this particular change cycle any different that changes in the Jauron, Lovie, Trestman eras? A new GM that has it figured out? His first round pick has a plate in his tibia without ever seeing pre-season. They are now selling off anything they can to get picks. They probably should have traded down this year and moved Forte to Dallas to get even more picks. After reviewing the schedule - they were doomed to fall in their first three games and look like a good bet to lose every division game. Teams are going to rape this team and it will be a complete rebuild that will take years. Rotoworld is reporting that the Bears are willing to trade Forte as he is approaching 30. I am telling you that they have not even smelled rock bottom.
They need to get rid of that bum Phillips now. To have any chance they have to root out everyone that has been a part of the free fall. Unfortunately, the fans will never see the moronic family go anywhere with the fat gravy train they have. A big part of this change is DO NOT GO TO THE GAMES and TURN THEM OFF. See how fast the Cubs turned their gravy train into a winning long term strategic plan after the fans said ummmm no thanks and stopped going to the games.
flapgreen
Footballguy
I'm not on the on board with trading away Forte or Alshon, just like I wasn't ok with cutting Jennings. Dumb ### move. Those are 2 of the few good players we have left. We need to keep them. We would literally have none of our own guys left to sign except Long.
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So much wrong here.
1) Well, yes, they Bears are in business to make money. As is every team in the league. You're implying that the Bears arent willing to spend money to win, which is patently ridiculous. The Bears are 19th in cap spending even with this garbage roster.
2)Ted Phillips has NOTHING to do with football operations. He doesnt give input in the draft, isnt approached about contracts. He's a book keeper.
3)This team sucks because theyve had general managers making bad draft picks for the last 10 years. And yes, thats an indictment against the team. But if that didnt bother them, why would they have cleaned house and hired a highly sought after new GM and Head coach?
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
They may have to face the prospect of trading Forte away. Sell now and get picks in return. The big question you have to ask is - can you trust the current regime to harvest value with the potential picks that they intend to stockpile? Can this regime actually draft a 6th rounder that brings immediate value to the team? In looking at the draft issues, it appears that the only "chance" for a value add was with a 1st, 2nd or 3rd. After that, it was just a crap shoot. We have had these discussions in the past but they are worth reviewing.
Identify gaps - incompetent personnel within the organization - Phillips, lack of a true on field and off field leader
Missed opportunities - consistent failure in the drafts, pulling in free agents that do not perform to an optimal level
Sub-optimal strategic plan - weak links, lack of buy in from the e-suite and players that lack capability to function within the offense and/or defense models
Can you name an off field leader for this organization? One that you would put 100% faith in?
Can you name an on field leader for this organization? A player that you would put 100% faith in?
Winning teams have clear cut leaders and long term strategic plans that are optimized and supported by everyone from the CEO to the punter to the peanut vendors.
Again- look at New England and the Packers success.
New England keeps reloading. They just reloaded their OL within the last season or two. They keep stock piling draft picks. They have a franchise QB that is going to the HOF and has hoisted multiple Lombardi trophies. They have leaders in three key phases of the organization - CEO, HC and QB. Do you think that anyone on this team has the sack to question Brady? Look at who we have?
The Packers keep reloading as well. If you watched the KC game you were presented with a great synopsis of how and why this organization has excelled in the last 20 years. They draft like rock stars. The value they get from their draft picks is incredible. They have crafted a winning formula that starts with complete buy in from the fan base to the e-suite and everyone in between. Everyone is a stakeholder that has consideration. The town owns the team and the team is a fabric interwoven into the town. When others question their drafts, they get immediate production. They lose a top flight WR - no problem. They plug in the next guy in line and they keep scoring. They score TDs. They finish drives. They put fun into football and as a Bear's fan it is hard to ignore. I am not a Packer fan but I like what they do and it is hard to dislike the team that they have built.
All in all, our "leadership" is not transparent. They run things like the slick willy politicians that just churn my stomach. Phillips is a career politician. If you read his bio on the Bear's home page you would think the team has stocked 5 Lombardi trophies. There is no fun with this organization. It is best to just turn it off and hope that this current regime truly means change for the better. As long as Phillips is in there it will be business as usual. There is nothing fun or exciting about this team. Even when they went to the Super Bowl and lost to Indy - it was this boring, drab and empty feeling. It seems like the fun of the 85 Bears was considered a sin that will never be allowed again. Winning was great but it was hardly fun.
That was then and this is now. They are going to sell off the parts and liquidate. Our season starts at the next draft.
Identify gaps - incompetent personnel within the organization - Phillips, lack of a true on field and off field leader
Missed opportunities - consistent failure in the drafts, pulling in free agents that do not perform to an optimal level
Sub-optimal strategic plan - weak links, lack of buy in from the e-suite and players that lack capability to function within the offense and/or defense models
Can you name an off field leader for this organization? One that you would put 100% faith in?
Can you name an on field leader for this organization? A player that you would put 100% faith in?
Winning teams have clear cut leaders and long term strategic plans that are optimized and supported by everyone from the CEO to the punter to the peanut vendors.
Again- look at New England and the Packers success.
New England keeps reloading. They just reloaded their OL within the last season or two. They keep stock piling draft picks. They have a franchise QB that is going to the HOF and has hoisted multiple Lombardi trophies. They have leaders in three key phases of the organization - CEO, HC and QB. Do you think that anyone on this team has the sack to question Brady? Look at who we have?
The Packers keep reloading as well. If you watched the KC game you were presented with a great synopsis of how and why this organization has excelled in the last 20 years. They draft like rock stars. The value they get from their draft picks is incredible. They have crafted a winning formula that starts with complete buy in from the fan base to the e-suite and everyone in between. Everyone is a stakeholder that has consideration. The town owns the team and the team is a fabric interwoven into the town. When others question their drafts, they get immediate production. They lose a top flight WR - no problem. They plug in the next guy in line and they keep scoring. They score TDs. They finish drives. They put fun into football and as a Bear's fan it is hard to ignore. I am not a Packer fan but I like what they do and it is hard to dislike the team that they have built.
All in all, our "leadership" is not transparent. They run things like the slick willy politicians that just churn my stomach. Phillips is a career politician. If you read his bio on the Bear's home page you would think the team has stocked 5 Lombardi trophies. There is no fun with this organization. It is best to just turn it off and hope that this current regime truly means change for the better. As long as Phillips is in there it will be business as usual. There is nothing fun or exciting about this team. Even when they went to the Super Bowl and lost to Indy - it was this boring, drab and empty feeling. It seems like the fun of the 85 Bears was considered a sin that will never be allowed again. Winning was great but it was hardly fun.
That was then and this is now. They are going to sell off the parts and liquidate. Our season starts at the next draft.
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Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
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twistd
Footballguy
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/29/bears-continue-remodeling-by-waiving-brock-vereen/
Chris Prosinski was a free agent SS. He split time between the Eagles and the Jaguars last year, but it appears he had not been on a team in 2015. He was not on a team in the preseason and got cut.
LaRoy Reynolds is an OLB who started the season with the Jaguars and was cut three days ago.
At least the Bears are not sitting on their hands. The teams stinks and they seem to be trying to get better. Pace found a number of players off other team's practice squads when he was with the Saints. At least he is out turning over rocks looking to improve this roster. Remains to be seen if these two are an improvement.
Chris Prosinski was a free agent SS. He split time between the Eagles and the Jaguars last year, but it appears he had not been on a team in 2015. He was not on a team in the preseason and got cut.
LaRoy Reynolds is an OLB who started the season with the Jaguars and was cut three days ago.
At least the Bears are not sitting on their hands. The teams stinks and they seem to be trying to get better. Pace found a number of players off other team's practice squads when he was with the Saints. At least he is out turning over rocks looking to improve this roster. Remains to be seen if these two are an improvement.
twistd
Footballguy
They better both be able to do something besides special teams. The Bears need help on special teams, but they need players who have some potential to contribute beyond that.
Doesn't hurt to ask. We have a good thing going here. You guys overpay for our free agents and then trade us back talented players for pennies on the dollar. Jeffrey would look good next to Olsen.
