*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (11 Viewers)

[Tiger Fan]

Someone compare ND/Oregon/KSU wins assuming they win out....

Have we already done that?

You're forgetting Oregon State (if they can pull off tonight)Gonna be interesting...but still a lot of football to be played. History tells us that there's a very small chance for 3 BCS schools to go undefeated, let alone 4.

[*]ND's SOS actually looks worse now than it did at the beginning of the year...but they are ND, so they'll get votes.

[*]Oregon gets the luxury of playing the toughest remaining schedule (USC, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, PAC12CG)

[*]Re: KSU - Big 12 is down this year and w/o a championship game, I can't see them jumping Oregon.

IMO if everyone is undefeated:

1. Bama

2. Oregon

3. ND

4. KSU

If you held a gun to my head right now, I'd say it will be Bama/ND in the title game. I just think Oregon will trip up somewhere

 

[derek245583]

Someone compare ND/Oregon/KSU wins assuming they win out....Have we already done that?

I personally like Notre Dame. Wins over Oklahoma, USC, Stanford, Michigan and Michigan st. Not too shabby. Who will Oregon have beaten? USC?

Forgot StanfordMichigan State is terrible.

 

[NutterButter]

Someone compare ND/Oregon/KSU wins assuming they win out....Have we already done that?

I personally like Notre Dame. Wins over Oklahoma, USC, Stanford, Michigan and Michigan st. Not too shabby. Who will Oregon have beaten? USC?

Oregon St. and Stanford would be solid wins as well. Its way too early too tell with Oregon b/c their schedule is so back loaded. They've really played no one up until this point.

 

[John Bender]

ND might not have the high end wins, but they haven't played any patsies either.

Congrove computer rankings have them as having the 6th toughest SOS in the nation.

 

[NutterButter]

I'd have no problem with an undefeated Oregon or an undefeated KSU getting the NC game over an undefeated ND. If Oregon can get through their 2nd half undefeated, they would've earned.

 

[Tiger Fan]

GD, I ####### miss Nick Saban

 

[NutterButter]

ND might not have the high end wins, but they haven't played any patsies either. Congrove computer rankings have them as having the 6th toughest SOS in the nation.

Oregon with a solid 62.

 

[Onions]

Someone compare ND/Oregon/KSU wins assuming they win out....Have we already done that?

I personally like Notre Dame. Wins over Oklahoma, USC, Stanford, Michigan and Michigan st. Not too shabby. Who will Oregon have beaten? USC?

If Oregon wins out, they'll have beaten the same USC and Stanford teams you are giving ND credit for beating.They'd also have a win over a pretty decent Oregon State team, and would have a victory over whomever they face in Pac12 title game.Make of that what you will.

 

[Tiger Fan]

Someone compare ND/Oregon/KSU wins assuming they win out....Have we already done that?

I personally like Notre Dame. Wins over Oklahoma, USC, Stanford, Michigan and Michigan st. Not too shabby. Who will Oregon have beaten? USC?

If Oregon wins out, they'll have beaten the same USC and Stanford teams you are giving ND credit for beating.They'd also have a win over a pretty decent Oregon State team, and would have a victory over whomever they face in Pac12 title game.Make of that what you will.

 

[NutterButter]

I was fully expecting for ND to get smacked tonight like they've done in other years when facing the elite of CFB. My new expectation is that they will be upset by one of the average teams they're playing in the next 3 weeks. I'm preparing myself. Its a new era with Kelly but this is what ND does throughout my tenure as a fan.

 

[shader]

Someone compare ND/Oregon/KSU wins assuming they win out....Have we already done that?

I personally like Notre Dame. Wins over Oklahoma, USC, Stanford, Michigan and Michigan st. Not too shabby. Who will Oregon have beaten? USC?

If Oregon wins out, they'll have beaten the same USC and Stanford teams you are giving ND credit for beating.They'd also have a win over a pretty decent Oregon State team, and would have a victory over whomever they face in Pac12 title game.Make of that what you will.

Yep I realize my mistake with Stanford. I think OSU is a pretender.

 

[dparker713]

Could this ND team actually compete with the big boys? I almost feel like this season has set up perfectly for them. They keep on moving up in weight class gradually. They'll get USC with truly elite talent (but no depth) before the bowls too. Sure, they've got flaws, but they seem to be getting better and better.

They just did compete with the big boys. Notre Dame-AlabamaDream championship game

Sorry, but OU isn't a big boy to me this year.

Shocker

That list was Alabama and Oregon before this weekend, and its still Alabama and Oregon after this weekend - though KSU and ND have my attention.

So college football has two big boys. So KSU is not on the list, but Oregon is b/c they played a bunch of crappy teams that they've pounded. Interesting.

Based upon watching all three on multiple weekends. Plus, pounding mediocre/crappy teams is better than ND has done against the same. Plus, while ND has the better win right now, Oregon will have the chance to atleast equal that.

 

[NutterButter]

Could this ND team actually compete with the big boys? I almost feel like this season has set up perfectly for them. They keep on moving up in weight class gradually. They'll get USC with truly elite talent (but no depth) before the bowls too. Sure, they've got flaws, but they seem to be getting better and better.

They just did compete with the big boys. Notre Dame-AlabamaDream championship game

Sorry, but OU isn't a big boy to me this year.

Shocker

That list was Alabama and Oregon before this weekend, and its still Alabama and Oregon after this weekend - though KSU and ND have my attention.

So college football has two big boys. So KSU is not on the list, but Oregon is b/c they played a bunch of crappy teams that they've pounded. Interesting.

Based upon watching all three on multiple weekends. Plus, pounding mediocre/crappy teams is better than ND has done against the same. Plus, while ND has the better win right now, Oregon will have the chance to atleast equal that.

Agreed like I said above. If Oregon can win out, they earned it. but you really are naive regarding the SOS of each team. ND sos was 6 and that was before playing Ok, the 8th ranked team. Oregon's is 62.

 

[Premier]

The one thing nobody is considering is Alabama losing to LSU next week and the SEC getting shut out. Could happen if 2 out of KSU, ND and Oregon win out.

 

[NutterButter]

The one thing nobody is considering is Alabama losing to LSU next week and the SEC getting shut out. Could happen if 2 out of KSU, ND and Oregon win out.

I don't think anyone thinks Alabama can lose to anyone on their schedule. LSU's offense is terrible. They might not cross the 50.

 

[Chase Stuart]

ND might not have the high end wins, but they haven't played any patsies either. Congrove computer rankings have them as having the 6th toughest SOS in the nation.

It will probably be about 20th in 3 weeks.

 

[shader]

The one thing nobody is considering is Alabama losing to LSU next week and the SEC getting shut out. Could happen if 2 out of KSU, ND and Oregon win out.

For the first time in years LSU doesn't scare me at all. A&M scares me more.

 

[MAC_32]

Rather than play 73 different if scenarios maybe just let the games shake themselves out. Same thing, different year in late October. A lot of football left to be played. I think ND will have their hands full against USC, Oregon/Oregon St both have brutal November schedules, K St doesn't have a gimme left, and Alabama has to go to Death Valley next week. All have earned the right to be in the conversation for the end of the season, but who has the better resume? It's irrelevant. Right now anyway.

 

[Premier]

The one thing nobody is considering is Alabama losing to LSU next week and the SEC getting shut out. Could happen if 2 out of KSU, ND and Oregon win out.

I don't think anyone thinks Alabama can lose to anyone on their schedule. LSU's offense is terrible. They might not cross the 50.

I didn't think Notre Dame would cream OU tonight. Not too wacky to think Alabama trips up @ Death Valley.

 

[dparker713]

Could this ND team actually compete with the big boys? I almost feel like this season has set up perfectly for them. They keep on moving up in weight class gradually. They'll get USC with truly elite talent (but no depth) before the bowls too. Sure, they've got flaws, but they seem to be getting better and better.

They just did compete with the big boys. Notre Dame-AlabamaDream championship game

Sorry, but OU isn't a big boy to me this year.

Shocker

That list was Alabama and Oregon before this weekend, and its still Alabama and Oregon after this weekend - though KSU and ND have my attention.

So college football has two big boys. So KSU is not on the list, but Oregon is b/c they played a bunch of crappy teams that they've pounded. Interesting.

Based upon watching all three on multiple weekends. Plus, pounding mediocre/crappy teams is better than ND has done against the same. Plus, while ND has the better win right now, Oregon will have the chance to atleast equal that.

Agreed like I said above. If Oregon can win out, they earned it. but you really are naive regarding the SOS of each team. ND sos was 6 and that was before playing Ok, the 8th ranked team. Oregon's is 62.

I realize that Oregon has played weaker opponents, but to me ND has played a more even schedule. Plenty of decent teams and few horrible teams. But also lacking in top end competition until now. Yet they've struggled in plenty games, whereas Oregon has dominated everyone - even the teams that are somewhat decent.

 

[NutterButter]

Rather than play 73 different if scenarios maybe just let the games shake themselves out. Same thing, different year in late October. A lot of football left to be played. I think ND will have their hands full against USC, Oregon/Oregon St both have brutal November schedules, K St doesn't have a gimme left, and Alabama has to go to Death Valley next week. All have earned the right to be in the conversation for the end of the season, but who has the better resume? It's irrelevant. Right now anyway.

I'm done. I'd be asleep by now, but I'm too amped after the ND win.

 

[NutterButter]

The one thing nobody is considering is Alabama losing to LSU next week and the SEC getting shut out. Could happen if 2 out of KSU, ND and Oregon win out.

I don't think anyone thinks Alabama can lose to anyone on their schedule. LSU's offense is terrible. They might not cross the 50.

I didn't think Notre Dame would cream OU tonight. Not too wacky to think Alabama trips up @ Death Valley.

Can't argue with that.

 

[Onions]

Someone compare ND/Oregon/KSU wins assuming they win out....Have we already done that?

I personally like Notre Dame. Wins over Oklahoma, USC, Stanford, Michigan and Michigan st. Not too shabby. Who will Oregon have beaten? USC?

If Oregon wins out, they'll have beaten the same USC and Stanford teams you are giving ND credit for beating.They'd also have a win over a pretty decent Oregon State team, and would have a victory over whomever they face in Pac12 title game.Make of that what you will.

Yep I realize my mistake with Stanford. I think OSU is a pretender.

So, according to you, a win over Oregon State should be discounted, but a win over Michigan State is impressive.Got it.

 

[Onions]

Could this ND team actually compete with the big boys? I almost feel like this season has set up perfectly for them. They keep on moving up in weight class gradually. They'll get USC with truly elite talent (but no depth) before the bowls too. Sure, they've got flaws, but they seem to be getting better and better.

They just did compete with the big boys. Notre Dame-AlabamaDream championship game

Sorry, but OU isn't a big boy to me this year.

Shocker

That list was Alabama and Oregon before this weekend, and its still Alabama and Oregon after this weekend - though KSU and ND have my attention.

So college football has two big boys. So KSU is not on the list, but Oregon is b/c they played a bunch of crappy teams that they've pounded. Interesting.

Based upon watching all three on multiple weekends. Plus, pounding mediocre/crappy teams is better than ND has done against the same. Plus, while ND has the better win right now, Oregon will have the chance to atleast equal that.

Agreed like I said above. If Oregon can win out, they earned it. but you really are naive regarding the SOS of each team. ND sos was 6 and that was before playing Ok, the 8th ranked team. Oregon's is 62.

And you're really naive to discount on field performance and rely so heavily on strength of schedule.Look, we've got multiple weeks left for Oregon, Notre Dame, Kansas State to make their cases...Deciding who deserves to play Alabama (who is no lock either, although I think we all agree they appear to be the best team in college football this year) at this point is an exercise in futility.So much will change before the regular season is over...Why worry about all of this right now?

 

[scottybo]

The one thing nobody is considering is Alabama losing to LSU next week and the SEC getting shut out. Could happen if 2 out of KSU, ND and Oregon win out.

For the first time in years LSU doesn't scare me at all. A&M scares me more.

Agree 100%.

 

[Onions]

The one thing nobody is considering is Alabama losing to LSU next week and the SEC getting shut out. Could happen if 2 out of KSU, ND and Oregon win out.

I don't think anyone thinks Alabama can lose to anyone on their schedule. LSU's offense is terrible. They might not cross the 50.

Sure they can lose...Whether or not they will is an entirely different issue.But at the very least, recognize that it is a possibility.

 

[fasteddie_21]

I think this is the first year in memory that the SEC could conceivably be left out of the MNC if Alabama loses a game. That'd be something.

And, trying to be unbiased here...trying to...

Is there really much separating the Top 4 teams as a whole?

I mean, Alabama, K-State, Notre Dame, & Oregon all look great. I officially believe in ND now after tonight, regardless of what I think of L. Jones.

Gonna be one fun November I think.

 

[Tiger Fan]

For those that don't think Bama can lose at LSU:

Bama will win the game, but it will be very close. LSU should cover...but the upset is not nearly as far fetched as people think

2012 Alabama

Michigan (41-14)

W. Kentucky (35-0)

@Arkansas (52-0)

Fl. Atlantic (40-7)

Ole Miss (33-14)

@Missouri (42-10)

@Tennessee (44-13)

MSU (38-7)

Positives

They’ve won each game soundly. Solid balance on offense….solid defense as usual

Negatives

The only team Bama has beaten in the top 25 is MSU. And MSU is criminally overrated. They’ve beaten the 3 worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Auburn and Tennessee) by an average of only 15 points and 3 scrubs. They simply are not nearly as good as their record/ranking suggests.

2012 LSU

N. Texas (41-14)

Washington (41-3)

Idaho (63-14)

@Auburn (12-10)

Towson (38-22)

@Florida (14-6)

S. Carolina (23-21)

@ Texas A&M (24-19)

Positives

Played 3 good teams and won 2 of them…1 on the road. Only loss was to a good Florida team on the road. They’ve definitely improved since that loss, playing much better on the O line

Negatives

Even though they won, they laid eggs vs. Townson and @ Auburn. They’ve dropped balls and haven’t had consistent playcalling all year.

 

[Raider Nation]

Not really fair for LSU to have an off week before they play Bama at home. Poor scheduling.

 

[Moe.]

Whatever, Texas still sucks

 

[Raider Nation]

Teams in the country with a better defense than Notre Dame.

GO!

Alabama.

Florida and LSU as well.

K-State.

Stanford

I believe the correct answer is Alabama. Period.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Someone compare ND/Oregon/KSU wins assuming they win out....Have we already done that?

I personally like Notre Dame. Wins over Oklahoma, USC, Stanford, Michigan and Michigan st. Not too shabby. Who will Oregon have beaten? USC?

Forgot StanfordMichigan State is terrible.

Michigan State is a weird team this year. Their defense is top 10 in the country if not top 5. But Leveon Bell is the only player on the offense who has any business playing Division I football.It's impressive that ND scored 20 points on MSU. But holding them to 3 doesn't mean anything.

 

[Spartans Rule]

Notre Dame not only has the strongest schedule in the country, they're also Notre Dame. They have shiny gold helmets and they won a bunch of games in the 30s and 40s. There is ZERO chance they go undefeated and don't get in the title game. There's a better chance the world ends on December 21 and there is no title game.

 

[mquinnjr]

Fast forward two years from now to 2014. How effing exciting would it have been to see this year settled in a 4 team playoff with ND playing Alabama, and K State playing the Ducks, both at BCS bowl sites. W

inners to national title game at highest bidder for the year?

 

[jurb26]

Having both Oregon St. And SC lose this week are going to hurt Oregon. A lot IMO. When it's all said and done, Oregon may not have even played a top 15 team. Assuming they win out their wins will solidify 3 Ls for each of SC and Stanford. On top of that Oregon St. would now be sure to have 2 Ls. What looked like a back loaded schedule, and it still kind of is I reality, just got much worse in the computers. The computers are already killing Oregon.

I don't see them passing either of ND or KState if they are all undefeated. Nothing could be worse than ND beating SC for Oregon. SC still has the inside track to the PAC12 title game and if they make it they will have 4 Ls in Oregons undefeated sanerio. 5 if you count Oregon beating them in that game as well. Best case would be UCLA running the table from here in out and getting to the PAC12 title game. With games vs both SC and Stanford remaining though, I doubt that will happen.

 

[jurb26]

Teams in the country with a better defense than Notre Dame.

GO!

Alabama.

Florida and LSU as well.

K-State.

Stanford

I believe the correct answer is Alabama. Period.

No.

 

[jurb26]

Am I the only one who thought Oklahoma got screwed last night? TD taken away on a BS holding call. Horrible spot near the GL in the 4th quarter, by my estimation about 1.5 yds closer than it should have been. Bad call on the Int late. Maybe I'm the only one who thought that was not a catch. The ball hit the ground and then moved though.

 

[NutterButter]

Am I the only one who thought Oklahoma got screwed last night? TD taken away on a BS holding call. Horrible spot near the GL in the 4th quarter, by my estimation about 1.5 yds closer than it should have been. Bad call on the Int late. Maybe I'm the only one who thought that was not a catch. The ball hit the ground and then moved though.

My take is that it was clearly a hold. He had his arms wrapped around him. The spot was very favorable. Oh well. I would've been fine if they reversed the int. It definitely moved, but couldn't say definitively if he had control when the ball made contact with the ground and then came loss as he turned. I think its one of those calls that if it was ruled incomplete on the field, it wouldn't have been overturned. I was too busy paying attention to the int so didn't look, but was that pass interference on Fox?

 

[jurb26]

Yeah, I forgot the PI. It was def a penalty and that was a huge miss as well.

 

[dparker713]

Teams in the country with a better defense than Notre Dame.

GO!

Alabama.

Florida and LSU as well.

K-State.

Stanford

I believe the correct answer is Alabama. Period.

They played really well last night. Very sound and well coached. But they had no pass rush without blitzing, and even then they weren't hitting home consistently. Given that, its hard to make the case they're the clear second best defense in the country.

 

[shader]

For those that don't think Bama can lose at LSU:

Bama will win the game, but it will be very close. LSU should cover...but the upset is not nearly as far fetched as people think

2012 Alabama

Michigan (41-14)

W. Kentucky (35-0)

@Arkansas (52-0)

Fl. Atlantic (40-7)

Ole Miss (33-14)

@Missouri (42-10)

@Tennessee (44-13)

MSU (38-7)

Positives

They’ve won each game soundly. Solid balance on offense….solid defense as usual

Negatives

The only team Bama has beaten in the top 25 is MSU. And MSU is criminally overrated. They’ve beaten the 3 worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Auburn and Tennessee) by an average of only 15 points and 3 scrubs. They simply are not nearly as good as their record/ranking suggests.

2012 LSU

N. Texas (41-14)

Washington (41-3)

Idaho (63-14)

@Auburn (12-10)

Towson (38-22)

@Florida (14-6)

S. Carolina (23-21)

@ Texas A&M (24-19)

Positives

Played 3 good teams and won 2 of them…1 on the road. Only loss was to a good Florida team on the road. They’ve definitely improved since that loss, playing much better on the O line

Negatives

Even though they won, they laid eggs vs. Townson and @ Auburn. They’ve dropped balls and haven’t had consistent playcalling all year.

LSU has one loss and is at home in Death Valley. Also 90% of the country thinks they have no chance. AND there is the revenge factor of having been destroyed, shutout and humiliated in the title game last year.Yes LSU has a shot to win.

But when it comes down to it, I don't see how LSU scores more than 14 points. They need some big plays on special teams and defense to have any chance.

 

[dparker713]

Am I the only one who thought Oklahoma got screwed last night? TD taken away on a BS holding call. Horrible spot near the GL in the 4th quarter, by my estimation about 1.5 yds closer than it should have been. Bad call on the Int late. Maybe I'm the only one who thought that was not a catch. The ball hit the ground and then moved though.

THought it was absolutely a hold, and at the point of attack. Don't see any reason to complain there. The spot was bad. I thought the int was a catch, just thought there was a PI before the int. On the whole though, I don't think it was necessarily poor officiating. To me the biggest play of the game was the first ND TD, and the refs had nothing to do with OU's defense parting like the Red Sea. Plus, ND dominated the line of scrimmage for the run game on both sides of the ball. The score may have been different, but I still think ND wins that game.

 

[SHIZNITTTT]

Tough times in Norman. We used to be unbeatable at home, and now we are just another run of the mill top 20 team. Tough times indeed..

 

[gump]

I think Alabama fans are more confident than ever because we have an offense like we've never seen (other than maybe the 1989 Hollingsworth team?). So balanced....and driven by the best OL we've ever seen.

But most of us expect a war on Saturday night. Anything can happen, especially in Death Valley at night. And LSU is still the most physical team we'll play.

I'll be there.

 

[gump]

Interested to hear from USC fans....how long does Kiffin get a pass with the probation excuse?

 

[Tiger Fan]

For those that don't think Bama can lose at LSU:

Bama will win the game, but it will be very close. LSU should cover...but the upset is not nearly as far fetched as people think

2012 Alabama

Michigan (41-14)

W. Kentucky (35-0)

@Arkansas (52-0)

Fl. Atlantic (40-7)

Ole Miss (33-14)

@Missouri (42-10)

@Tennessee (44-13)

MSU (38-7)

Positives

They’ve won each game soundly. Solid balance on offense….solid defense as usual

Negatives

The only team Bama has beaten in the top 25 is MSU. And MSU is criminally overrated. They’ve beaten the 3 worst teams in the SEC (Kentucky, Auburn and Tennessee) by an average of only 15 points and 3 scrubs. They simply are not nearly as good as their record/ranking suggests.

2012 LSU

N. Texas (41-14)

Washington (41-3)

Idaho (63-14)

@Auburn (12-10)

Towson (38-22)

@Florida (14-6)

S. Carolina (23-21)

@ Texas A&M (24-19)

Positives

Played 3 good teams and won 2 of them…1 on the road. Only loss was to a good Florida team on the road. They’ve definitely improved since that loss, playing much better on the O line

Negatives

Even though they won, they laid eggs vs. Townson and @ Auburn. They’ve dropped balls and haven’t had consistent playcalling all year.

LSU has one loss and is at home in Death Valley. Also 90% of the country thinks they have no chance. AND there is the revenge factor of having been destroyed, shutout and humiliated in the title game last year.Yes LSU has a shot to win.

But when it comes down to it, I don't see how LSU scores more than 14 points. They need some big plays on special teams and defense to have any chance.

1. LSU's loss was @ Florida2. I agree with the rest of your post...it doesn't contradict anything I said in my original post LSU needs 2 things to win, turnovers and good playcalling. If they get that, they'll win...if not they won't. I think Bama will win

 

[Tiger Fan]

I think Alabama fans are more confident than ever because we have an offense like we've never seen (other than maybe the 1989 Hollingsworth team?). So balanced....and driven by the best OL we've ever seen.But most of us expect a war on Saturday night. Anything can happen, especially in Death Valley at night. And LSU is still the most physical team we'll play.I'll be there.

Where are your tickets?

 

[gump]

So Notre Dame jumps Oregon this week in the BCS....right?

 

[boubucarow]

I was fully expecting for ND to get smacked tonight like they've done in other years when facing the elite of CFB. My new expectation is that they will be upset by one of the average teams they're playing in the next 3 weeks. I'm preparing myself. Its a new era with Kelly but this is what ND does throughout my tenure as a fan.

Grew up a ND fan and still have nightmares of Boston College. I can't imagine they will be 12-0 and in the discussion. But with that defense and Golson improving, I give them a chance.As far as the big 4 now, it is fun for discussion but way to early. Let Alabama and Oregon be the matchup everybody looks forward to until the chaos begins again.

 

[gump]

I think Alabama fans are more confident than ever because we have an offense like we've never seen (other than maybe the 1989 Hollingsworth team?). So balanced....and driven by the best OL we've ever seen.But most of us expect a war on Saturday night. Anything can happen, especially in Death Valley at night. And LSU is still the most physical team we'll play.I'll be there.

Where are your tickets?

In the Alabama section....I'm guessing upper corner? I haven't been to BR in 22 years...I barely remember it. We're leaving NOLA at about 11 so looking forward to spending the afternoon walking around some. I went to a night game in the Swamp last year...hard to top the electricity in a big away night game with 90k plus. Am I safe wearing an Alabama hoodie?