*** Official 2015 College Football Thread *** (2 Viewers)

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

At Alabama we're seeing a transition in players leaving early, which is good for all of us. Kids are learning that IF you really have first-round level talent, you can benefit from coming back for your senior year. Ragland is showing that at Bama.

Of the 8 possible early exits, AShawn Robinson and Derrick Henry are the only 2 confirmed to leave...5 others are confirmed to stay ( Allen, Foster, Williams, Jackson, Harrison)...with OJ Howard left to announce.

Not prepared to take a pay cut?

 

[gump]

At Alabama we're seeing a transition in players leaving early, which is good for all of us. Kids are learning that IF you really have first-round level talent, you can benefit from coming back for your senior year. Ragland is showing that at Bama.

Of the 8 possible early exits, AShawn Robinson and Derrick Henry are the only 2 confirmed to leave...5 others are confirmed to stay ( Allen, Foster, Williams, Jackson, Harrison)...with OJ Howard left to announce.

Not prepared to take a pay cut?

Thought about mentioning that but you were quick!

Honestly though...Ragland made himself $15-20M by returning. A lot of kids graduate by their Junior or RS Junior year. Glad they're starting to see the value in staying and even getting a grad degree.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

I think OJ Howard's stock will never be higher.

Or he can come back and catch 18 balls for 240 yards again.

 

[gump]

I think OJ Howard's stock will never be higher.

Or he can come back and catch 18 balls for 240 yards again.

The driver is draft grade, which must be high enough to consider but not commit to. Good point though, coaches are involved and I'm sure a offensive players questions are all about opps.

 

[Capella]

Yea if kids are projected to be a first-second round pick they are nuts to come back. You're off on that one Gump. Way off. Injuries, year of lost income, can put out bad tape etc. One positive example does not make a rule.

For guys like this, there is very little benefit to staying for a degree. They will have the money to go get it later.

 

[The Commish]

Hoke has been hired as DC at Oregon....if they choose to pay attention to that side of the ball, he can do well there. He knows defense, especially the Dline.

 

[General Malaise]

Hoke has been hired as DC at Oregon....if they choose to pay attention to that side of the ball, he can do well there. He knows defense, especially the Dline.

Love this hire.

 

[gump]

Yea if kids are projected to be a first-second round pick they are nuts to come back. You're off on that one Gump. Way off. Injuries, year of lost income, can put out bad tape etc. One positive example does not make a rule.

For guys like this, there is very little benefit to staying for a degree. They will have the money to go get it later.

You misunderstood. These are kids with potential first round talent that are not getting first round grades. Ragland would have been s third rounder or so last year, now he's a mid-first. Obviously Allen, Foster, and these other guys are not getting first round grades either.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Yea if kids are projected to be a first-second round pick they are nuts to come back. You're off on that one Gump. Way off. Injuries, year of lost income, can put out bad tape etc. One positive example does not make a rule.

For guys like this, there is very little benefit to staying for a degree. They will have the money to go get it later.

You misunderstood. These are kids with potential first round talent that are not getting first round grades. Ragland would have been s third rounder or so last year, now he's a mid-first. Obviously Allen, Foster, and these other guys are not getting first round grades either.

If Ragland is a first rounder this year then maybe it was worth staying. What if Ragland tore his knee up like Jaylen Smith? Was it worth it then? What if he's not a first rounder and only a second rounder this year? Staying also means it delays him hitting free agency a year (and his real big payday).

 

[gump]

Yea if kids are projected to be a first-second round pick they are nuts to come back. You're off on that one Gump. Way off. Injuries, year of lost income, can put out bad tape etc. One positive example does not make a rule.

For guys like this, there is very little benefit to staying for a degree. They will have the money to go get it later.

You misunderstood. These are kids with potential first round talent that are not getting first round grades. Ragland would have been s third rounder or so last year, now he's a mid-first. Obviously Allen, Foster, and these other guys are not getting first round grades either.

If Ragland is a first rounder this year then maybe it was worth staying. What if Ragland tore his knee up like Jaylen Smith? Was it worth it then? What if he's not a first rounder and only a second rounder this year? Staying also means it delays him hitting free agency a year (and his real big payday).

Sure...risks they are well-aware of. No one is selling them a scam...it's all laid out for them to decide.

 

[The Commish]

Hoke has been hired as DC at Oregon....if they choose to pay attention to that side of the ball, he can do well there. He knows defense, especially the Dline.

Love this hire.

He's a good guy and from a X/O standpoint, it's a good fit. Will be interesting to hear your reports on him navigating the culture.....I'm counting on you!

 

[wadegarrett]

Yea if kids are projected to be a first-second round pick they are nuts to come back. You're off on that one Gump. Way off. Injuries, year of lost income, can put out bad tape etc. One positive example does not make a rule.

For guys like this, there is very little benefit to staying for a degree. They will have the money to go get it later.

You misunderstood. These are kids with potential first round talent that are not getting first round grades. Ragland would have been s third rounder or so last year, now he's a mid-first. Obviously Allen, Foster, and these other guys are not getting first round grades either.

If Ragland is a first rounder this year then maybe it was worth staying. What if Ragland tore his knee up like Jaylen Smith? Was it worth it then? What if he's not a first rounder and only a second rounder this year? Staying also means it delays him hitting free agency a year (and his real big payday).

Smith and everyone like him have million dollar insurance policies for injuries. Coming back, not getting injured and sucking on the other hand...

 

[General Malaise]

Hoke has been hired as DC at Oregon....if they choose to pay attention to that side of the ball, he can do well there. He knows defense, especially the Dline.

Love this hire.

He's a good guy and from a X/O standpoint, it's a good fit. Will be interesting to hear your reports on him navigating the culture.....I'm counting on you!

He spent several years at Oregon State, so I'm sure he's quite familiar with Oregon's culture. I'm excited about his ability to recruit in California, which is where most of Oregon's top talent comes from. And yeah, having a defensive system in place to protect 31-0 halftime leads would be pretty nice too.

 

[The Commish]

Hoke has been hired as DC at Oregon....if they choose to pay attention to that side of the ball, he can do well there. He knows defense, especially the Dline.

Love this hire.

He's a good guy and from a X/O standpoint, it's a good fit. Will be interesting to hear your reports on him navigating the culture.....I'm counting on you!

He spent several years at Oregon State, so I'm sure he's quite familiar with Oregon's culture. I'm excited about his ability to recruit in California, which is where most of Oregon's top talent comes from. And yeah, having a defensive system in place to protect 31-0 halftime leads would be pretty nice too.

I'm not talking about the state's culture. I'm talking about the culture within the football program.

 

[General Malaise]

Hoke has been hired as DC at Oregon....if they choose to pay attention to that side of the ball, he can do well there. He knows defense, especially the Dline.

Love this hire.

He's a good guy and from a X/O standpoint, it's a good fit. Will be interesting to hear your reports on him navigating the culture.....I'm counting on you!

He spent several years at Oregon State, so I'm sure he's quite familiar with Oregon's culture. I'm excited about his ability to recruit in California, which is where most of Oregon's top talent comes from. And yeah, having a defensive system in place to protect 31-0 halftime leads would be pretty nice too.

I'm not talking about the state's culture. I'm talking about the culture within the football program.

Oh, THAT culture. Well, I don't think the offense is changing direction any time soon, so if he wants to stay employed, I would guess he'll need to find a way to succeed with the talent that is there and that he can pull in.

 

[The Commish]

Hoke has been hired as DC at Oregon....if they choose to pay attention to that side of the ball, he can do well there. He knows defense, especially the Dline.

Love this hire.

He's a good guy and from a X/O standpoint, it's a good fit. Will be interesting to hear your reports on him navigating the culture.....I'm counting on you!

He spent several years at Oregon State, so I'm sure he's quite familiar with Oregon's culture. I'm excited about his ability to recruit in California, which is where most of Oregon's top talent comes from. And yeah, having a defensive system in place to protect 31-0 halftime leads would be pretty nice too.

I'm not talking about the state's culture. I'm talking about the culture within the football program.

Oh, THAT culture. Well, I don't think the offense is changing direction any time soon, so if he wants to stay employed, I would guess he'll need to find a way to succeed with the talent that is there and that he can pull in.

This is sorta what I am elluding too....there needs to be a commitment to making the team well rounded. He's a fantastic recruiter, but he can't do it on his own so if he's left out there on an island, he's doomed. That goes for anyone that I can think of though.

 

[General Malaise]

Hoke has been hired as DC at Oregon....if they choose to pay attention to that side of the ball, he can do well there. He knows defense, especially the Dline.

Love this hire.

He's a good guy and from a X/O standpoint, it's a good fit. Will be interesting to hear your reports on him navigating the culture.....I'm counting on you!

He spent several years at Oregon State, so I'm sure he's quite familiar with Oregon's culture. I'm excited about his ability to recruit in California, which is where most of Oregon's top talent comes from. And yeah, having a defensive system in place to protect 31-0 halftime leads would be pretty nice too.

I'm not talking about the state's culture. I'm talking about the culture within the football program.

Oh, THAT culture. Well, I don't think the offense is changing direction any time soon, so if he wants to stay employed, I would guess he'll need to find a way to succeed with the talent that is there and that he can pull in.

This is sorta what I am elluding too....there needs to be a commitment to making the team well rounded. He's a fantastic recruiter, but he can't do it on his own so if he's left out there on an island, he's doomed. That goes for anyone that I can think of though.

Yes, but Oregon has put more players in the NFL on the defensive side of the ball than offensive. The talent is definitely there. Recall the championship game loss to Auburn. Oregon's defense did its job better than most SEC teams. And it was Oregon's defense that sealed the Rose Bowl win over Russell Wilson. Nick Aliota was able to find the right balance for the Ducks. Don Pellum is a nice guy, but he's the epitome of the Peter Principle. I think Hoke will succeed.

 

[The Commish]

Hope you're right GM...he's a really good dude. He wasn't ready to run a big time program and get used to "We just need to coach 'em up" when the defense doesn't do as they should. It was one of the things that sent him packing in AA...he always blamed himself (to protect the players) rather than holding them accountable. The best coaches do a nice mix of both. If he can learn that and get support from the coaching staff, he'll be fine.

 

[LAUNCH]

http://traveldrinkplay.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/DJI_0147-660x330.jpg

Alabama's bands practice field...

 

[gump]

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/692772491245256704

 

[BroncoFreak_2K3]

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/692772491245256704

 

[Capella]

Incredible. ESPN really loves trolling fanbases. Hit two there.

 

[gump]

As many have predicted, the NCAA is looking into Ole Miss

 

[LAUNCH]

As many have predicted, the NCAA is looking into Ole Miss

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5112c8b4/turbine/chi-football-recruiting-treadwell-20130206-002/599/449x599

Just shocked.

 

[gump]

As many have predicted, the NCAA is looking into Ole Miss

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5112c8b4/turbine/chi-football-recruiting-treadwell-20130206-002/599/449x599

Who knows if anything will actually happen, but the timing is bad with their biggest recruiting weekend starting today.

This is from top 10 overall Ben Davis:

Mr. UNO™ @bendavis_1 8m8 minutes ago

Pat Forde @YahooForde

Y sources: Ole Miss receives Notice of Allegations alleging dozens of violations in multiple sports, incl. football http://yhoo.it/1Ts5MXz

 

[LAUNCH]

As many have predicted, the NCAA is looking into Ole Miss

http://www.trbimg.com/img-5112c8b4/turbine/chi-football-recruiting-treadwell-20130206-002/599/449x599

Who knows if anything will actually happen, but the timing is bad with their biggest recruiting weekend starting today.

This is from top 10 overall Ben Davis:

Mr. UNO™ @bendavis_1 8m8 minutes ago

Pat Forde @YahooForde

Y sources: Ole Miss receives Notice of Allegations alleging dozens of violations in multiple sports, incl. football http://yhoo.it/1Ts5MXz

247 has them as the #4 class. If people were on the fence they are probably going to jump. Alabama will get like 12 more 5*s out of this

 

[psychobillies]

As many have predicted, the NCAA is looking into Ole Miss

That's what you get for beating Bama twice.

 

[gump]

As many have predicted, the NCAA is looking into Ole Miss

That's what you get for beating Bama twice.

The REC is not to be angered.

 

[psychobillies]

As many have predicted, the NCAA is looking into Ole Miss

That's what you get for beating Bama twice.

The REC is not to be angered.

I know. I shouldn't have said anything.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Finally watching the Terrell Davis "A Football Life". Man, Ray Goff was even worse than I thought. Which is saying something.

eta - Wow, when I typed that I hadn't even gotten to the part where Goff was badmouthing Davis to NFL scouts.

I remember in 1993, when they played UF, Goff had Eric Zeier throw the ball 65 times and gave 6 carries to his running backs. 3 by future NFL HOF Davis. Afterwards he said those runs were 6 wasted plays.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Alabama has to play Western Kentucky on Sept 10th. No repeat for you!

 

[General Malaise]

Alabama has to play Western Kentucky on Sept 10th. No repeat for you!

Wow. I'm assuming somebody has already been fired for this scheduling gaffe?

 

[Capella]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

 

[fdas2]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

Next, you'll be wearing blue & orange jorts.

(no offense PDP, I'm sure you look amazing in jorts)

 

[General Malaise]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

Whoa whoa whoa there, Billy Bob. I'm with you all the way here but you absolutely owe the entire state of Western Kentucky an apology with this gross mischaracterization here. Layup? The Hilltoppers? They had LSU on the ropes!

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

I wasn't taking a shot at Bama's scheduling. Just acknowledging the Hilltoppers' greatness.

Next, you'll be wearing blue & orange jorts.

(no offense PDP, I'm sure you look amazing in jorts)

I look amazing in anything and when I chant 'SEC' I sound like Pavarotti.

 

[Capella]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

Next, you'll be wearing blue & orange jorts.

(no offense PDP, I'm sure you look amazing in jorts)

I just realized your last 5 years of CFB have consisted of:

-Bama title

-Bama title

-FSU beating auburn in the most excruciating way possible

-OSU title

-Bama title

How do you still watch?

 

[fdas2]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

Next, you'll be wearing blue & orange jorts.

(no offense PDP, I'm sure you look amazing in jorts)

I just realized your last 5 years of CFB have consisted of:

-Bama title

-Bama title

-FSU beating auburn in the most excruciating way possible

-OSU title

-Bama title

How do you still watch?

:SoftballSchool:

:EqustrianSchool:

 

[Capella]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

Next, you'll be wearing blue & orange jorts.(no offense PDP, I'm sure you look amazing in jorts)

I just realized your last 5 years of CFB have consisted of:-Bama title

-Bama title

-FSU beating auburn in the most excruciating way possible

-OSU title

-Bama title

How do you still watch?

:SoftballSchool:

:EqustrianSchool:

My dad always told me the world needed ditch diggers too (my dad is an alcoholic who used to try to make a living by going to strip clubs to sell overpriced lingerie to the strippers or the girls there with their boyfriends).

 

[General Malaise]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

Next, you'll be wearing blue & orange jorts.(no offense PDP, I'm sure you look amazing in jorts)

I just realized your last 5 years of CFB have consisted of:-Bama title

-Bama title

-FSU beating auburn in the most excruciating way possible

-OSU title

-Bama title

How do you still watch?

:SoftballSchool:

:EqustrianSchool:

My dad always told me the world needed ditch diggers too (my dad is an alcoholic who used to try to make a living by going to strip clubs to sell overpriced lingerie to the strippers or the girls there with their boyfriends).

Does he have any openings?

 

[Joe T]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

WKU is not a layup. No different than playing Oregon really.

 

[Capella]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

Next, you'll be wearing blue & orange jorts.(no offense PDP, I'm sure you look amazing in jorts)

I just realized your last 5 years of CFB have consisted of:-Bama title

-Bama title

-FSU beating auburn in the most excruciating way possible

-OSU title

-Bama title

How do you still watch?

:SoftballSchool::EqustrianSchool:

My dad always told me the world needed ditch diggers too (my dad is an alcoholic who used to try to make a living by going to strip clubs to sell overpriced lingerie to the strippers or the girls there with their boyfriends).

Does he have any openings?

Ironically, he always asked the girls the same question.

 

[General Malaise]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

WKU is not a layup. No different than playing Oregon really.

Or Arkansas.

 

[gump]

Alabama has to play Western Kentucky on Sept 10th. No repeat for you!

USC-WKU-Ole Miss is like starting with an 8-team CFP.

 

[fdas2]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

Next, you'll be wearing blue & orange jorts.(no offense PDP, I'm sure you look amazing in jorts)

I just realized your last 5 years of CFB have consisted of:-Bama title

-Bama title

-FSU beating auburn in the most excruciating way possible

-OSU title

-Bama title

How do you still watch?

:SoftballSchool:

:EqustrianSchool:

My dad always told me the world needed ditch diggers too (my dad is an alcoholic who used to try to make a living by going to strip clubs to sell overpriced lingerie to the strippers or the girls there with their boyfriends).

I'd hang out with your dad before most of my own family.

 

[Joe T]

Alabama has to play Western Kentucky on Sept 10th. No repeat for you!

USC-WKU-Ole Miss is like starting with an 8-team CFP.

Murderer's Row, IMO

 

[Capella]

I'm no Alabama defender but they week before they are playing USC and they open with FSU next year. I'm ok with a layup after that. Not many schools are doing that.

Next, you'll be wearing blue & orange jorts.(no offense PDP, I'm sure you look amazing in jorts)

I just realized your last 5 years of CFB have consisted of:-Bama title

-Bama title

-FSU beating auburn in the most excruciating way possible

-OSU title

-Bama title

How do you still watch?

:SoftballSchool::EqustrianSchool:

My dad always told me the world needed ditch diggers too (my dad is an alcoholic who used to try to make a living by going to strip clubs to sell overpriced lingerie to the strippers or the girls there with their boyfriends).

I'd hang out with your dad before most of my own family.

This is 20 years ago, but he also bought a balloon machine (you know the plastic balloons that people fill with stuffed animals) and he instead filled it with lingerie and tried to sell those. When that didn't work he just tried to fill them with stuffed animals.

My dad would be a funny thread. I also went into his closet once to get a pair of his shoes and found a huge giant dildo. I was like 11.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

My dad would be a funny thread. I also went into his closet once to get a pair of his shoes and found a huge giant dildo. I was like 11.

Fire it up. NSD is over, spring games still weeks away.

 

[psychobillies]

Alabama has to play Western Kentucky on Sept 10th. No repeat for you!

Wow. I'm assuming somebody has already been fired for this scheduling gaffe?

You mean because WK is playing down in competition, right?

 

[gump]

A writer from Miss is taking on the crusade of exposing the facts from the Ole Miss NOA, accusing OM and other state media of purposely hiding what's in it.

Here's a statement he released yesterday:

http://www.elitedawgs.com/showthread.php?40489-Rosebowl-s-full-statement