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**Official** 2015 Washington Redskins Thread YOU LIKE THAT! (1 Viewer)

Would it honestly surprise anyone if we lose out?

Chicago on the road next week won't be easy. We don't play well on the road and I don't think we're better than they are. If anything, we're almost mirror images of each other. If we lose this one, the season is pretty much shot.

Buffalo at home won't be easy. Yes, I know it's a home game, but the Bills are 6-6 and would probably be the best team we've played at home this season. A big test and another must win game for us.

Philly on the road is always tough. Hard to tell what Eagles team will show up from week to week, but another roads game for us in a big spot. Probably a must win game for both of us.

Dallas on the road in the finale will be tough. Maybe if things go right for us, this could be for the division. Don't have high hopes for this one.

I think at best, we probably finish 6-10. Which is about where I thought we would be coming into the season. This team just isn't ready to compete yet, which isn't a bad thing. We all got excited because we were/are in 1st place, but this just doesn't feel like a 1st place team.

 
Marvelous said:
The Redskins really have a big opportunity tonight. If they win, they will be sole possession of first place and have all the tie breakers working in their favor. They can also put an end to any talk of the Cowboys running the table and making the playoffs. The Cowboys would be 3 games back and lose any tie breakers with the Redskins.

If the Redskins lose, they will be tied with Giants and Eagles and 5-7 and the Cowboys will be one game back at 4-8. They will right in the middle of a quadmire of the NFC East.

The Redskins are the last hope for the division not to look like a ridiculously weak division.
The Redskins are right in the quagmire of the NFC East, the division no one is good enough to win.

 
Whatever gets Gruden out of here sooner is fine with me. Worst thing that could happen to this team is winning a terrible division and giving that idiot some kind of a mandate.

 
I think what showed most last night was:

1) the lack of a blocking TE. Reed is a terrible pass blocker. Matt Jones and Alfred Morris aren't very good at it either. I'm guessing Jones was in more because he's slightly better at blocking. And without that TE you don't have the extra blocker in the run game, which has hurt the run game ever since defenses figured it out early in the year.

2) coaching - A very good coach would make alterations to the scheme. Gruden doesn't really seem to have the capacity to adjust during a game or even at halftime. It always seems like he's playing with a smaller playbook. Where were the quick outs? Where was a FB in motion to help the right side of the line? Where were the misdirection plays to loosen up the defense? It's like he locks into a game plan during the week and has no capacity to adjust to what happens on the field. I don't think he's a terrible coach, but there's certainly nothing great about him.

 
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I think what showed most last night was:

2) coaching - A very good coach would make alterations to the scheme. Gruden doesn't really seem to have the capacity to adjust during a game or even at halftime. It always seems like he's playing with a smaller playbook. Where were the quick outs? Where was a FB in motion to help the right side of the line? Where were the misdirection plays to loosen up the defense? It's like he locks into a game plan during the week and has no capacity to adjust to what happens on the field. I don't think he's a terrible coach, but there's certainly nothing great about him.
In Gruden's defense, he's done coaching on Saturday

 
At least I won't be getting any emails from the redskins this week promoting tickets and plans.

I thought it was a little ballsy of them to try and hit me up multiple times the past couple weeks when they were winning, but still had a losing record.

 
Cousins 2015 so far:

250.5ypg

1.4 TDs per game

.83 INTs per game

7.1 YPA

Griffin's 2013:

246.4ypg

1.2 TDs per game

.92 INTs per game

7.0 YPA

One got crushed for that season, the other is getting praised

 
I'd agree Cousins is getting tooth credit for this year, but a couple other stats to consider:

2013 Griffin: comp % 60.2 sacks 38 fumbles 11

2015 Cousins: comp% 68.4 sacks 21 fumbles 4

 
Cousins 2015 so far:

250.5ypg

1.4 TDs per game

.83 INTs per game

7.1 YPA

Griffin's 2013:

246.4ypg

1.2 TDs per game

.92 INTs per game

7.0 YPA

One got crushed for that season, the other is getting praised
Griffin wasn't crushed for his performance that year. In fact the organization fired the Head Coach rather than lay it on Griffin.Also different coaches and a different system. Griffin was crushed in 2014 for his performance so if you want to compare the two you should pull numbers from the two when they are in the same system.

 
Mike Jones

For the sixth time this season, the Washington Redskins came off of an encouraging win, and went right out the next week and played poorly.
But instead of cashing in, the Redskins blew it all. The defense gave the offense the ball three times Monday night, and Washington managed only three measly points. Normally, when your defense gets three takeaways, you’re set up nicely to score. This futility came a week after Washington failed to convert any of the takeaways against the Giants into points. The Redskins are now minus-73 in points off of turnovers. They’ve managed only 25 points off of the 20 takeaways they’ve notched, and opponents have scored 98 points off of Washington’s 20 turnovers this season. This differential is the worst in the league. The Lions are a distant second-worst with a differential of -41.
I'll post some more of the quotes from that article shortly. Some of them are things already said here. Nice to know beat reporters see the same things.

 
The way the defense played for 58 minutes, Washington should have been able to run away with that game. But the team failed to do so because of an apparent regression in the offensive play-calling and game-planning. Monday night’s display differed greatly from last week’s body of work against the Giants. Poised and effective as of late, Kirk Cousins looked more like John Beck – skittish and so determined to get the ball out of his hands to beat the pass-rush that he missed many opportunities downfield. The rushing game was anemic and ineffective, and Washington converted only 6 of 16 third downs for first downs.

The problem in both facets of the offense involved what appeared to be a lack of creativity. Yes, the Cowboys came with a very aggressive rush right off the bat, but the Redskins didn’t make them pay. Sacked twice in the first three plays, Cousins had reason to be skittish. However, that’s where his coaches needed to do more to help him out. There was very little misdirection, play-action, fake-tosses, or bootleg action in Monday night’s playbook. Moving the pocket would’ve helped protect Cousins and make it harder for the Cowboys to tee off on Cousins.

The Redskins found little daylight in the run game, but that’s because Washington didn’t go downfield, sprinkle in zone read or rollout passes. All season long, we’ve seen Redskins opponents struggle to run early, and then they adjust. They go to three- and four-receiver sets to spread out the defense and eliminate defenders in the box. The foes then run out of those formations, capitalizing on a less beefy defensive front.

There was next to none of this Monday night. Instead, the Redskins kept trying to run out of their jumbo package, which featured tackles Tom Compton and Ty Nsekhe lining up as tight ends. Problem was, those two offered little.

Washington’s play-callers seemed determined to play it safe rather than take an aggressive approach. They needed innovation and instead opted for conservative.
 
Offense

Outside of a 28-yard touchdown pass to wide receiver DeSean Jackson, there were a lot of points left on the board by Cousins and the Redskins’ offense. He was ineffective in the first half and most of the scoring opportunities created in the second half led to field goals.
Snap counts

Running back
Matt Jones – 40; 62% (one snap on special teams)
Chris Thompson – 17; 26% (six snaps on special teams)
Alfred Morris – eight; 12%
Darrel Young – DNP (21 snaps on special teams)

As predictable as this offense has been this season, it is mindboggling how the Redskins are using their running backs.
 
This is just maddening.

12 blown chances

Maddening because we see it over and over and over. No points off turnovers. Second and longs. Reed penalties. PI penalties (offensive and defensive).

 
From that article:

"The Redskins gained just 2.8 yards per carry in the loss. Veteran Alfred Morris carried just six times for 12 yards and wasn’t used at all after the first quarter. Nonetheless, Gruden said that Morris, “moving forward, is still our number one back,” though it’s unclear what that means beyond mere words."

 
From that article:

"The Redskins gained just 2.8 yards per carry in the loss. Veteran Alfred Morris carried just six times for 12 yards and wasn’t used at all after the first quarter. Nonetheless, Gruden said that Morris, “moving forward, is still our number one back,” though it’s unclear what that means beyond mere words."
I like this quote: “We’re in Week 12 or Week 13 and still a fairly young football team, and we’re trying to find our way, really,” Gruden said. “We’ve just got to keep grinding, [doing] what we’re doing, keep preparing and protect better, throw better, run better routes, block better in the running game, run harder, you know, all those things. I just think it’ll come. We’ve just got to stick with what we’re doing.”

Stick what what we're doing? What we're doing hasn't really worked well all season. We're the 25th ranked offense in terms of total yards and 21st in scoring offense. It's not like we were having lots of success before Monday night offensively.

And this one: “We were kind of hodgepodge last night with the substitutions,” Gruden said of the efforts to find the best pass-protecting lineup, with tight end Derek Carrier sidelined by injury. “So we didn’t really get in the flow of the game.”

What the hell does that mean? Did they not have a plan of what players they wanted to use in certain situations? I don't get that.

This just goes back to my issue with Gruden last season. Every answer is the same with him when asked about performance. "We just need to execute better and work harder". Seriously? That's your grand plan? He rarely ever says that the coaches need to re-evaluate game plans or play calling. It's always on the players to prepare more and work harder. Because suddenly that's going to fix everything. Guy is a joke.

 
Cousins 2015 so far:

250.5ypg

1.4 TDs per game

.83 INTs per game

7.1 YPA

Griffin's 2013:

246.4ypg

1.2 TDs per game

.92 INTs per game

7.0 YPA

One got crushed for that season, the other is getting praised
Griffin wasn't crushed for his performance that year. In fact the organization fired the Head Coach rather than lay it on Griffin.Also different coaches and a different system. Griffin was crushed in 2014 for his performance so if you want to compare the two you should pull numbers from the two when they are in the same system.
They both sucked in 2014. One has improved, while the other was steadily going backwards. Blame it on whoever, but Griffin was regressing.

The glaring 2014 number is Griffin was sacked 33 times in only 9 games. Cousins was sacked 8 times in 6 games. That's a huge difference behind the same line. Griffin didn't know where to go with the ball, and he still didn't this preseason. In the second preseason game he had 3 sacks on 8 drop backs.

Griffin has the better arm, but he doesn't understand the Xs and Os of an NFL offense nor did he seem to understand leadership at the NFL level.

 
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From that article:

"The Redskins gained just 2.8 yards per carry in the loss. Veteran Alfred Morris carried just six times for 12 yards and wasn’t used at all after the first quarter. Nonetheless, Gruden said that Morris, “moving forward, is still our number one back,” though it’s unclear what that means beyond mere words."
I like this quote: “We’re in Week 12 or Week 13 and still a fairly young football team, and we’re trying to find our way, really,” Gruden said. “We’ve just got to keep grinding, [doing] what we’re doing, keep preparing and protect better, throw better, run better routes, block better in the running game, run harder, you know, all those things. I just think it’ll come. We’ve just got to stick with what we’re doing.”

Stick what what we're doing? What we're doing hasn't really worked well all season. We're the 25th ranked offense in terms of total yards and 21st in scoring offense. It's not like we were having lots of success before Monday night offensively.

And this one: “We were kind of hodgepodge last night with the substitutions,” Gruden said of the efforts to find the best pass-protecting lineup, with tight end Derek Carrier sidelined by injury. “So we didn’t really get in the flow of the game.”

What the hell does that mean? Did they not have a plan of what players they wanted to use in certain situations? I don't get that.

This just goes back to my issue with Gruden last season. Every answer is the same with him when asked about performance. "We just need to execute better and work harder". Seriously? That's your grand plan? He rarely ever says that the coaches need to re-evaluate game plans or play calling. It's always on the players to prepare more and work harder. Because suddenly that's going to fix everything. Guy is a joke.
Regarding the bolded, stick to the plan of running your #1 running back 6 times in the first quarter and then 0 times after that? This guy should never be allowed to answer questions because it only confirms he does not know what he is doing.

 
The good news, if there is any, from the fallout of the Dallas loss..

I see many of you are coming back around to the 'Gruden must go' position, that's good to see.

I was worried after I read some of the posts after the NY game...

some of you fine gents. had fallen prey to the powah of the dark side.

 
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That's an interesting article and tends to implicate Cousins more than Gruden's conservative play calling.

Another piece:

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/open-thread-redskins-offense-too-conservative-or-it-kirk-cousins?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

"Throwing the ball, we had some shots available," head coach Jay Gruden said on Tuesday. "We just didn’t convert on some of the shots that we had."

"If you put the film on, you’ll see guys, we took some shots, just we didn’t take them," Gruden said, "whether it was pressure forced us into throwing a check-down or what have you, the quarterback couldn’t see it."

So is this just Gruden keeping it real or is he starting the bus up?

 
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That's an interesting article and tends to implicate Cousins more than Gruden's conservative play calling.

Another piece:

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/open-thread-redskins-offense-too-conservative-or-it-kirk-cousins?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

"Throwing the ball, we had some shots available," head coach Jay Gruden said on Tuesday. "We just didn’t convert on some of the shots that we had."

"If you put the film on, you’ll see guys, we took some shots, just we didn’t take them," Gruden said, "whether it was pressure forced us into throwing a check-down or what have you, the quarterback couldn’t see it."

So is this just Gruden keeping it real or is he starting the bus up?
Probably the harshest Gruden has been on Cousins during his tenure here

 
That's an interesting article and tends to implicate Cousins more than Gruden's conservative play calling.

Another piece:

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/open-thread-redskins-offense-too-conservative-or-it-kirk-cousins?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

"Throwing the ball, we had some shots available," head coach Jay Gruden said on Tuesday. "We just didn’t convert on some of the shots that we had."

"If you put the film on, you’ll see guys, we took some shots, just we didn’t take them," Gruden said, "whether it was pressure forced us into throwing a check-down or what have you, the quarterback couldn’t see it."

So is this just Gruden keeping it real or is he starting the bus up?
Probably the harshest Gruden has been on Cousins during his tenure here
I actually thought the goal was to throw to Jackson when he had single coverage. So I thought with all of the blitzes Dallas did, the hot read would frequently be Jackson on a fly route whenever he is in single coverage. I was very surprised there were not more throws the Jackson.

 
MattFancy said:
MikeApf said:
MattFancy said:
That's an interesting article and tends to implicate Cousins more than Gruden's conservative play calling. Another piece:

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/redskinsblog/open-thread-redskins-offense-too-conservative-or-it-kirk-cousins?p=ya5nbcs&ocid=yahoo

"Throwing the ball, we had some shots available," head coach Jay Gruden said on Tuesday. "We just didnt convert on some of the shots that we had."

"If you put the film on, youll see guys, we took some shots, just we didnt take them," Gruden said, "whether it was pressure forced us into throwing a check-down or what have you, the quarterback couldnt see it."

So is this just Gruden keeping it real or is he starting the bus up?
Probably the harshest Gruden has been on Cousins during his tenure here
:confused: Did you watch last year leading up to McCoy coming in? Gruden was pretty unprofessional in his criticism of Griffin IMO. But Cousins was routinely trashed as well. The only QB that he stood by was McCoy.

 
Brunell4MVP said:
Griffin didn't know where to go with the ball, and he still didn't this preseason. In the second preseason game he had 3 sacks on 8 drop backs.
Cousins was sacked on two of the first three drop backs in the Dallas game. Guess he was regressing too.

p.s. Sometimes sacks aren't the QBs fault.

 
John Keim

2 big tells for the O: If Ryan Grant in game, 70 % chance of run; if DeSean Jackson in game, 73 % chance of a pass.
If he knows that, other teams know that.
Which is why I have no idea why we didn't use Darrel Young more in that game. He can block and he's always a threat to catch passes or even run. When Compton and Nsheke were in there, there was no chance we were doing anything but running. Stupid vanilla play calling.

 
fatness, what was Cooley's grade this week for Cousins?
LOL...fatness is always on "Cooley Watch"

Please also report out regarding humorous things Doc Walker said... :D
Saw this...doesn't look like Cooley took it easy on Cousins:

http://www.espn980.com/2015/12/09/the-cooley-film-breakdown-offense-vs-dallas/
Listening now. He's not happy about OL play and is insinuating that the OL doesn't talk to each other. I find that hard to believe with Callahan there, but who knows.

 
Gave him a C, 76.7% overall. Strange because he bashed him on not taking chances and recognizing blitzes and identifying WRs down field. I would have said he was closer to a C-.

 
fatness, what was Cooley's grade this week for Cousins?
Too much static on my radio yesterday on the way home to hear. I did hear him setting up grading Cousins by saying the o-line was terrible the entire game. :lol: So I know he was easing into going easy on his BF.

By pregame on Sunday Doc Walker will be in high gear. I'll listen for some Doc quotes then.

 
fatness, what was Cooley's grade this week for Cousins?
Too much static on my radio yesterday on the way home to hear. I did hear him setting up grading Cousins by saying the o-line was terrible the entire game. :lol: So I know he was easing into going easy on his BF.

By pregame on Sunday Doc Walker will be in high gear. I'll listen for some Doc quotes then.
It's just funny to me on how the narrative changes based on the QB. In the preseason, when Robert got killed by Detroit, he couldn't slide protection the right way. When Kirk is getting pressured constantly, it's the OL playing badly and not talking to each other.

 
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Grant Paulsen ‏@granthpaulsen

ESPN has "strategy score" metric using clock, challenges, 4th downs rank NFL HC's. Jay Gruden ranks 4th behind Rivera, McCarthy, Belichick.

No chance in hell this thing is accurate
Off the top of my head, he's done well with challenges and has probably been a little more aggressive on 4th than most coaches. Clock was a problem early in the season, but seems to have improved.
 
Gave him a C, 76.7% overall. Strange because he bashed him on not taking chances and recognizing blitzes and identifying WRs down field. I would have said he was closer to a C-.
Yeah, hard to give him that high of a grade when the team only produces 9 points in 3 quarters. Had a random thought about Cousins and wanted to see what you all thought.

When you consider the BIG thing that was going to sink him this season, it was Interceptions. Remember when we all called him an "interception machine." Well, I think he's actually only thrown like 2 interceptions in the last 6 games. You can't really call him a turnover machine any more. Monday night he didn't throw one at all. Additionally, I was reading where his completion percentage was quite high. It's over 68% -- one of the highest in the league. Yards per completion, however, is low overall this season, though it has markedly improved since Djax return (don't have the exact stats but just assume for now).

Then I thought about this game, and the criticism the Skins have received. Predictable offense. Too many first down runs. Gruden says they drew up long plays for DJax and he didn't take it. Even Cooley pointed out a similar thing out.

My thought is I wonder if in a very good attempt to curtail interceptions, Cousins is not going for some of the riskier throws down the field. I mean, he's definitely got a lot better protecting the ball. But there are also times that great QBs will stand in the pocket, then sling it 20-30 yards down field into tight coverage. You don't really see us doing that as much. Gruden may also be telling him not too.

As crazy as it sounds, with Cousins' interception history, do you think he might be holding back too much unless the throw is uber safe? I dunno, seems like you have to strike a balance between risk and safety.

What do you all think. I could be all wrong on this. Just a brainstorm.

 
fatness, what was Cooley's grade this week for Cousins?
Too much static on my radio yesterday on the way home to hear. I did hear him setting up grading Cousins by saying the o-line was terrible the entire game. :lol: So I know he was easing into going easy on his BF.

By pregame on Sunday Doc Walker will be in high gear. I'll listen for some Doc quotes then.
It's just funny to me on how the narrative changes based on the QB. In the preseason, when Robert got killed by Detroit, he couldn't slide protection the right way. When Kirk is getting pressured constantly, it's the OL playing badly and not talking to each other.
Oh, I agree. I remember very well listening to him rant about how Griffin had to adjust to his protection or lack of it and deliver the ball. With Cousins it's all different, like the first time Cooley ever considered that offensive line play might have an effect on a QB.

You have to forgive Cooley, though. That IS his boyfriend after all. ;)

 

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