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**Official** 2015 Washington Redskins Thread YOU LIKE THAT! (1 Viewer)
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CR69
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ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That's fair. There is definitely a sliding scale for how bad a pass can be, and his bad passes usually come when he is pressing in important situations. But his ability to hit a WR in stride is better than anyone we've had here in a while, and when the offense is humming its fun to watch. He needs to cut down on the panic throws, but he bounced back from them pretty well today which is what he couldn't do last year. So I do see growth.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
I don't get why people ever post stuff like this. They'll obviously update it eventually.
fatness
Footballguy
I appreciate your analysis, honestly.
But they put up 10 points. One C, one B, and 2 A's add up to more than 10 points. Those grades should yield about 24 points. And they scored 10. All in the first half.
Let's not confuse moving up and down the field with good offense. Good offenses score, and don't give the other teams scores. The running game was quite good today. And on almost every critical play it was taken out of action. There were 196 passing yards, 2 INT's, 2 near INT's, and 10 points scored. That isn't good by any measure. So I have to disagree on your grading.
Much of this falls on Gruden, not the players. Taking away your own effective run game on critical plays is bad coaching. Running predictable pass plays on critical plays is bad coaching. Both were done repeatedly today.
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dgreen
Footballguy
I remember 1991.When the offense is humming?
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
First of all, you're the least objective person in this thread because you're stuck on Griffin. I forgive you for that, he was special at one point.When the offense is humming?
Secondly, yes. When the offense is humming, like in the first half (until poor playcalling screwed us when in scoring position).
If you don't see how well the offense moves with Cousins when things are going well, you're blind. He throws anticipation passes extremely well when he's not pressing trying to take back momentum.
Hang 10
Footballguy
My feelings on Griffin don't make that comment any less silly.First of all, you're the least objective person in this thread because you're stuck on Griffin. I forgive you for that, he was special at one point.When the offense is humming?
Secondly, yes. When the offense is humming, like in the first half (until poor playcalling screwed us when in scoring position).
If you don't see how well the offense moves with Cousins when things are going well, you're blind. He throws anticipation passes extremely well when he's not pressing trying to take back momentum.
Your bar for good offense must be pretty low if you were impressed with that first half. I don't care about moving the ball between the 20s. Good offense scores touchdowns.
Cousins sucks. It's not his fault but he's never going to take this team any where. Doesn't really matter who's QB with gruden coaching.
fatness
Footballguy
That's a bit rose-colored. How many times was Reed not looking when a ball came his way? How many times is that excuse going to be made for Cousins's bad throws? Last year the excuses were that "he feels he has to be perfect". This year is starting with "he's pressing to take back momentum".First of all, you're the least objective person in this thread because you're stuck on Griffin. I forgive you for that, he was special at one point.When the offense is humming?
Secondly, yes. When the offense is humming, like in the first half (until poor playcalling screwed us when in scoring position).
If you don't see how well the offense moves with Cousins when things are going well, you're blind. He throws anticipation passes extremely well when he's not pressing trying to take back momentum.
He's a starting NFL QB and not a snowflake. He did not play well today all things considered. 10 points, more turnovers than TD's,
edited to add: The way to measure good offense is not to compare it to previous Redskin bad offenses. That leads one to conclude that "less bad" is actually good. If you want to say he was less bad than we've seen from Griffin last year I'll agree. But he was not good.
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ConnSKINS26
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He was converting 3rd downs left and right. He's not great, but he's good enough for this team to win without the other #### that you can place directly at the feet of Gruden (poor play calls and poor discipline). He's not a guy I want to build around, but if we fire Gruden and draft a QB in the 2nd round next year (or trade back up into the first), can he be our bridge? From what he's shown so far (just one game, of course) I'd be on board with that. This is if we aren't in position naturally for a QB McCloughan loves early in the 1st.My feelings on Griffin don't make that comment any less silly.First of all, you're the least objective person in this thread because you're stuck on Griffin. I forgive you for that, he was special at one point.When the offense is humming?
Secondly, yes. When the offense is humming, like in the first half (until poor playcalling screwed us when in scoring position).
If you don't see how well the offense moves with Cousins when things are going well, you're blind. He throws anticipation passes extremely well when he's not pressing trying to take back momentum.
Your bar for good offense must be pretty low if you were impressed with that first half. I don't care about moving the ball between the 20s. Good offense scores touchdowns.
Cousins sucks. It's not his fault but he's never going to take this team any where. Doesn't really matter who's QB with gruden coaching.
One thing he has going for him is that he usually does the "right" thing in this offense. He's not dynamic, but he gives other players a chance to succeed and makes McCloughan's job of evaluating this roster and its coaches much easier than Griffin does.
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dehaven123
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Sup, fatness. In the context of what the players were asked to do, I think my grades are pretty accurate when grading the various individual units of the offense. O line, RBs, and WRs all did their job, Cousin's wasn't awful, but wasn't great. 10 points isn't going to win many games, we're on the same page there.
Sebowski
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Sebowski
Footballguy
We were 5 for 12 on third downs. Try again.He was converting 3rd downs left and right....My feelings on Griffin don't make that comment any less silly.First of all, you're the least objective person in this thread because you're stuck on Griffin. I forgive you for that, he was special at one point.When the offense is humming?
Secondly, yes. When the offense is humming, like in the first half (until poor playcalling screwed us when in scoring position).
If you don't see how well the offense moves with Cousins when things are going well, you're blind. He throws anticipation passes extremely well when he's not pressing trying to take back momentum.
Your bar for good offense must be pretty low if you were impressed with that first half. I don't care about moving the ball between the 20s. Good offense scores touchdowns.
Cousins sucks. It's not his fault but he's never going to take this team any where. Doesn't really matter who's QB with gruden coaching.
PinkydaPimp
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They are very similar actually. Both when hot play well. But both can(and do) crumble at a minutes notice!
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Hang 10
Footballguy
They are also similar in that even when they are playing well they still turn the ball over multiple times a game.
Sebowski
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Earlier in the game, when the offense was humming, which is what I was talking about. Its not my fault if someone takes something I said out of context and tries to make a larger point with it that I wasn't making.We were 5 for 12 on third downs. Try again.He was converting 3rd downs left and right....My feelings on Griffin don't make that comment any less silly.First of all, you're the least objective person in this thread because you're stuck on Griffin. I forgive you for that, he was special at one point.When the offense is humming?
Secondly, yes. When the offense is humming, like in the first half (until poor playcalling screwed us when in scoring position).
If you don't see how well the offense moves with Cousins when things are going well, you're blind. He throws anticipation passes extremely well when he's not pressing trying to take back momentum.
Your bar for good offense must be pretty low if you were impressed with that first half. I don't care about moving the ball between the 20s. Good offense scores touchdowns.
Cousins sucks. It's not his fault but he's never going to take this team any where. Doesn't really matter who's QB with gruden coaching.
Sebowski
Footballguy
You did't see the last play of the game? Reed handoff, he gets tackled 10 yards behind the line (minus 1pt), fumbles (minus 1pt), runs backwards 30 yards trying to shake the D (minus 3pts), fumbles again (minus 1pt), gets it back and keeps running backwards (minus 10pts), then he fumbles again!!!! IT WAS CRAZY!
Gruden has never shown he's able to adjust.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Yeah, I commented to my friend that it's sad, but also nice that a Redskins loss doesn't crush me like it used to. We enjoyed the game. Winning would have been awesome, but oh well.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Saw alot of comments on FB that people were fine with Cousins performance and that they'd rather lose like that then with how RG3 played. Huh?
Cousins had his usual good 1st half, bad 2nd half game.
1st half: 10/14, 100yds, 1TD, 1INT
2nd half: 11/17, 96yds, 0TD, 1INT
In the 4th qtr with the game still there, he went 6/12, 66yds, 1INT.
We had 108yds of offense in the 2nd half. Someone care to explain how the offense flowed better?
Cousins had his usual good 1st half, bad 2nd half game.
1st half: 10/14, 100yds, 1TD, 1INT
2nd half: 11/17, 96yds, 0TD, 1INT
In the 4th qtr with the game still there, he went 6/12, 66yds, 1INT.
We had 108yds of offense in the 2nd half. Someone care to explain how the offense flowed better?
fatness
Footballguy
Cousins is 25th in QB rating, 68.8, with 4 teams left to play: http://www.nfl.com/stats/weeklyleaders?d-446412-s=PASSING_PASSER_RATING&season=2015&d-446412-n=1&d-446412-o=2&d-446412-p=1&showCategory=Passing&week=1
Last year in week 1 the Skins looked disjointed, like they did yesterday. Houston beat them 17-6, with one TD coming on a blocked punt if I remember correctly. Griffin threw for 267 yards, no TD, no INT, and lost 1 fumble. He got killed for the performance.
Let's not pretend Cousins did well when he did not. There were promising signs yesterday. The O-line did not get crushed on pass blocking and actually was good on run blocking. Their performance was good enough to win a game. The defense allowed only 17 points which keeps you in most games and can win a fair number of them. Garcon and Reed were good. Morris was awesome.
The most troubling sign I saw yesterday was Morris saying he was "very, very disappointed". He is not a whiner or complainer. But with the game on the line Gruden does not use him, and the Skins usually lose. Alfred is our best offensive weapon and I don't want to see us lose him.
Last year in week 1 the Skins looked disjointed, like they did yesterday. Houston beat them 17-6, with one TD coming on a blocked punt if I remember correctly. Griffin threw for 267 yards, no TD, no INT, and lost 1 fumble. He got killed for the performance.
Let's not pretend Cousins did well when he did not. There were promising signs yesterday. The O-line did not get crushed on pass blocking and actually was good on run blocking. Their performance was good enough to win a game. The defense allowed only 17 points which keeps you in most games and can win a fair number of them. Garcon and Reed were good. Morris was awesome.
The most troubling sign I saw yesterday was Morris saying he was "very, very disappointed". He is not a whiner or complainer. But with the game on the line Gruden does not use him, and the Skins usually lose. Alfred is our best offensive weapon and I don't want to see us lose him.
fatness
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And his playbook gets smaller and smaller near the end of halves. Other teams pretty much have him figured out. A couple of them said so last year.thayman said:
I'd like to see the offensive stats by quarter if anyone has time to post them. I think the 1st quarter was the high point and it was a slide downhill from there, but I might be wrong.
MattFancy
Footballguy
Nailed it as usual fatness!
The Griffin bias is strong around here. I don't think Cousins played any better than what Griff did last year in Week 1, yet Cousins is being praised for having a "good" game, while Griffin got bashed for being "bad".
Gruden/McVay's play calling was terrible yesterday. On the opening drive on 3rd and 13, we just run the ball straight up the middle for 2 yards. Did he not trust his QB/OL there to try and make a play? Way too conservative of a play call.
It was nice to see Morris get 25 carries though.
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Cousins did not have a good game, however the loss yesterday is more on the Head Coach.
Hang 10
Footballguy
Ultimately it's always on the coach. When Griffin was starting, did you ever get the sense that Gruden is putting him in the best position to win? This idiot coach seems unfamiliar with calling a game that plays to his team's strengths. Gruden would rather try to put a square peg in a round hole and then blame the peg at a press conference when it doesn't work.
Tough game to watch. We are not a "great team" but any stretch of the imagination but that was at least a winnable game.
Still, there are some signs that we are getting incrementally better: in particular the defense seems improved and the offensive line run blocked well at times. Those are two very encouraging signs for the future, even if we don't see the fruits this year.
Of course the only thing people in the media are going to be talking about is QB. Personally, I have been an advocate of playing Cousins over Griffin because I think Griffin just didn't have the ability to avoid sacks, release it quickly, etc. While Cousins can do those things better, the bottom line is he still through 2 INTs vs. 1 TD pass. I know folks are going to talk about that he had to press at the end, but lets face it, as a NFL QB, you are put in positions in the game where you have to bring your team back -- it's not just Cousins who gets put in that position. The one thing Cousins had to fix this year was INTs and after the first game, you have to say he has to get that fixed or he's not going to hold on to this starters job past this year.
The other thing is I know that Jackson is our deep threat but daggone even with him out you have to at least try to throw it deep a few times. Very limited, conservative gameplanning at times.
In the end, I'm not going to say we're great, but I'm not with the guys who are "despairing" at another "terrible team." The truly objective fact is that we do seem to be incrementally improved on defense and our offensive line is not as bad as anticipated with Callahan coaching them up, plus we do have some decent skill players like Morris, Reed and Garcon. So there are some things to build on. But at the same time, we clearly have a way to go, particularly in game planning, QB play and special teams.
It's a work in progress to be sure I just want to see us steadily improve in some facets of the game because I'm not expecting playoffs anyways...
Still, there are some signs that we are getting incrementally better: in particular the defense seems improved and the offensive line run blocked well at times. Those are two very encouraging signs for the future, even if we don't see the fruits this year.
Of course the only thing people in the media are going to be talking about is QB. Personally, I have been an advocate of playing Cousins over Griffin because I think Griffin just didn't have the ability to avoid sacks, release it quickly, etc. While Cousins can do those things better, the bottom line is he still through 2 INTs vs. 1 TD pass. I know folks are going to talk about that he had to press at the end, but lets face it, as a NFL QB, you are put in positions in the game where you have to bring your team back -- it's not just Cousins who gets put in that position. The one thing Cousins had to fix this year was INTs and after the first game, you have to say he has to get that fixed or he's not going to hold on to this starters job past this year.
The other thing is I know that Jackson is our deep threat but daggone even with him out you have to at least try to throw it deep a few times. Very limited, conservative gameplanning at times.
In the end, I'm not going to say we're great, but I'm not with the guys who are "despairing" at another "terrible team." The truly objective fact is that we do seem to be incrementally improved on defense and our offensive line is not as bad as anticipated with Callahan coaching them up, plus we do have some decent skill players like Morris, Reed and Garcon. So there are some things to build on. But at the same time, we clearly have a way to go, particularly in game planning, QB play and special teams.
It's a work in progress to be sure I just want to see us steadily improve in some facets of the game because I'm not expecting playoffs anyways...
MattFancy
Footballguy
The defense played well enough to win, which is something we haven't said in awhile here. I was definitely encouraged by them and it looks like the run defense will be solid again.
The OL and the RBs looked good. Both Morris and Jones ran the ball well, which I didn't think I'd say against the Dolphins defense.
Cousins has to improve his TOs. The 2nd INT was a good play by the DB, but it wasn't a smart pass into tight coverage when we were already in FG range. At worst, we make it 17-13 with about 7 minutes to go. Can't turn the ball over in the red zone in the 4th qtr when you're trailing.
The OL and the RBs looked good. Both Morris and Jones ran the ball well, which I didn't think I'd say against the Dolphins defense.
Cousins has to improve his TOs. The 2nd INT was a good play by the DB, but it wasn't a smart pass into tight coverage when we were already in FG range. At worst, we make it 17-13 with about 7 minutes to go. Can't turn the ball over in the red zone in the 4th qtr when you're trailing.
Sebowski
Footballguy
Brunell4MVP
Footballguy
This one is on the coach. And I've been a defender, but this team lacks discipline and Gruden overthinks the play calling.
Penalties: 11 for 88 yards is too many for this team to overcome. 4th most in league. And they also had 3 more declined. Teams that play the way the Redskins do cannot have that many mistakes.
Play calling:
First half Morris carries: 17
Second half Morris carries: 8
So when it mattered, your decision as a coach was to do less of what was working? I guess it's because he has has a great set of WRs? Um, nope. I guess it's because he has Aaron Rodgers playing QB? Um, nope. I guess it's because it's smart to have Chris Thompson come in on third down? Um, nope.
What the $%#$ is Gruden thinking? I suspect he's looking a chart telling him Morris should only get 20-25 carries per game. Or maybe that it's 1st and 20 and he can only throw the ball. Or that the other team is stacking the box. He needs to shelve that crap. The run is working. Pound it, pound it, pound it. And if you lose doing what you are best at, so be it. But don't lose trying to do what you are bad at. If I were Morris I'd be pissed. Shanny nor Gibbs would have ever, ever abandoned the run yesterday. And if the other team stacked the box they'd just bring in more blockers. Gruden crapped on himself.
To see how it is supposed to be done, look at how MIA went after Amerson 7 straight throws. Their coach sees the weakness and exploits it. Our coach sees their weakness all first half, and for whatever reason decides there are better ways to play the game.
Special teams: Forget the punt return for a second. Can someone go find a kicker that can get the kick off beyond the goal line? You've got awful coverage combined with a kicker that averages 67 yards? 25 NFL kickers can put it out of the end zone. Ours can barely reach the goal line. There's no way you need an 8th LB on the team more than you need to kick the ball out of the end zone to avoid needing coverage at all.
Gruden better get his act together, or he's not going to make it through November.
The players didn't look that bad to me. But the coaching did.
Penalties: 11 for 88 yards is too many for this team to overcome. 4th most in league. And they also had 3 more declined. Teams that play the way the Redskins do cannot have that many mistakes.
Play calling:
First half Morris carries: 17
Second half Morris carries: 8
So when it mattered, your decision as a coach was to do less of what was working? I guess it's because he has has a great set of WRs? Um, nope. I guess it's because he has Aaron Rodgers playing QB? Um, nope. I guess it's because it's smart to have Chris Thompson come in on third down? Um, nope.
What the $%#$ is Gruden thinking? I suspect he's looking a chart telling him Morris should only get 20-25 carries per game. Or maybe that it's 1st and 20 and he can only throw the ball. Or that the other team is stacking the box. He needs to shelve that crap. The run is working. Pound it, pound it, pound it. And if you lose doing what you are best at, so be it. But don't lose trying to do what you are bad at. If I were Morris I'd be pissed. Shanny nor Gibbs would have ever, ever abandoned the run yesterday. And if the other team stacked the box they'd just bring in more blockers. Gruden crapped on himself.
To see how it is supposed to be done, look at how MIA went after Amerson 7 straight throws. Their coach sees the weakness and exploits it. Our coach sees their weakness all first half, and for whatever reason decides there are better ways to play the game.
Special teams: Forget the punt return for a second. Can someone go find a kicker that can get the kick off beyond the goal line? You've got awful coverage combined with a kicker that averages 67 yards? 25 NFL kickers can put it out of the end zone. Ours can barely reach the goal line. There's no way you need an 8th LB on the team more than you need to kick the ball out of the end zone to avoid needing coverage at all.
Gruden better get his act together, or he's not going to make it through November.
The players didn't look that bad to me. But the coaching did.
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When I looked at the time of possession in the first half, I was extremely optimistic because if they kept up that kind of pounding on the ground, the Miami D would be completely gassed by the 4th quarter and would be unable to stop anything.
Instead, they abandoned what was working, and allowed them to catch their breath. Just awful playcalling.
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MattFancy
Footballguy
And I know DJax going down probably messed up some of the game plan, but you have to able to adjust. Players are going to get hurt in every game. If you as a coach can't find a way to adjust, then you're not long for this league. And DJax went down early, so they had time to rethink the plan.
Sebowski
Footballguy
dgreen
Footballguy
I've frequently complained about his inability to kick touchbacks. His one TB yesterday was an ugly, line drive, wobbly kick that bounced in the corner of the end zone and he kind of shook his head after it.
Of course, the joke here is that touchbacks don't matter when you don't have to kickoff very much.
I thought Griffin played ok in the opener last year. It is his subsequent games that looked really bad. And getting sacked so many times.
I thought Cousins played ok. I thought the offense was moving pretty well in the first half. They had yards. They had time of possession. But when I looked at the scoreboard, they did not have many points.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I'm ok with losing every game until Gruden is fired. It will be a successful season to me.
avoiding injuries
Footballguy
I live in Baltimore and I'm at a Ravens party every week. The things Ravens fans complain about is so crazy to me, until I realize that their team doesn't have nearly the issues that our team has. At least four or five of those purple losers would have had strokes if the Ravens had a series like the Redskins did in the 4th quarter with all those penalties.
Being forced to watch a well run organization really makes me despise the Redskins in some ways.
Being forced to watch a well run organization really makes me despise the Redskins in some ways.
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