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**Official** 2015 Washington Redskins Thread YOU LIKE THAT! (1 Viewer)

Gruden and Cousins both said the one INT was like a punt. :lol:

Chris Russell yelling on 106.7 when anyone criticizes Cousins, Gruden, or playcalling. Keeps talking about injured players

"What are they supposed to do???????????????"

:lol:

 
fatness said:
Gruden and Cousins both said the one INT was like a punt. :lol:

Chris Russell yelling on 106.7 when anyone criticizes Cousins, Gruden, or playcalling. Keeps talking about injured players

"What are they supposed to do???????????????"

:lol:
:lmao: Well Chris the area hit hardest was the Oline.....they looked pretty decent today. Moses had a couple of nice blocks.

 
@michaelpRTD: Once again 'Cousins interception' talk dominating the airwaves, when 'Cousins inaccuracy' talk should be the lead story.

 
I don't understand why week after week the defense comes out in the 3rd quarter and seems to forget who their assignment is, and how to tackle.

 
These gems from Gruden:

"It was a little windy," Gruden said. "He had a lot of pressure on him, really. There were a lot of things going on pre-snap that he’s got to deal with, getting the formations, the protections and all that. ..

“He’s not the only quarterback to make a poor decision or a poor throw,” said Gruden. “It won’t be the last time he does it.”

:lmao:

 
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Bomani Jones has been way ahead of this. Crazy how much support Cousins is getting for being patently terrible. I guess if your definition of a great QB is John Beck maybe you can disagree, Shanny, but for the rest of us, he's been pretty bad.

 
Redskins outscored 46-3 in the third quarter this season.

How they don't come out after half time with incredible focus is a complete mystery to me.

 
Redskins outscored 46-3 in the third quarter this season.

How they don't come out after half time with incredible focus is a complete mystery to me.
coaches like arians and belichick half time speeches are intimidation and telling the players to put their foot the other teams throat or their asses get cut on monday, grudens halftime is handshakes and chamomile tea.

 
These gems from Gruden:

"It was a little windy," Gruden said. "He had a lot of pressure on him, really. There were a lot of things going on pre-snap that hes got to deal with, getting the formations, the protections and all that. ..

Hes not the only quarterback to make a poor decision or a poor throw, said Gruden. It wont be the last time he does it.

:lmao:
When he says "pressure", I assume he's talking about the pass rush? I don't remember the Jets having a great pass rush today.
 
Common sense would make you think that he's talking about the pass rush. But then you read the next sentence and it almost seems like he's saying Kirk had so much on his plate with pre snap reads and adjusting protections that......IDK. Other than the 1 sack I don't really remember that much pressure either. Though I lost interest in the game and was watching my FF players on my other TV a lot.

Either way it comes off as the kind of excuse making that seems laughable given how Gruden has handled himself previously in press conferences. The 2 wins and moments this year when the Skins have looked like a solid football team had me questioning my opinion of Jay slightly. But no, I still think he's awful.

I really won't even care about the protectionism of Kirk on the radio tomorrow morning but I am curious to hear what the talking heads have to say about the HC. Ive heard people on air, and some in this thread I think, say they don't put the blame for the clockwork terrible 3rd quarters on Gruden. I cant for the life of me think why not.

Its not about rah rah speeches or motivation IMO. Its about the slight adjustments coaching staffs need to make based on what WASNT on the film or how the other team is adjusting to you as the game unfolds. Gibbs 1.0 was a master of this. Gruden's teams are consistently under prepared to come out in the 2nd half and I put that squarely on the HC.

 
Code Red Bucs game works for me. Cousins plays poorly he needs to sit. Such a winnable game.

. I wonder if it was Pats, bye, Bucs how this would unfold.

Other news.... I'm planning on being at the Bucs game. Let me know if anyone wants to tailgate. Also looking for cheap seats and a cheap parking pass.

 
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Other news.... I'm planning on being at the Bucs game. Let me know if anyone wants to tailgate. Also looking for cheap seats and a cheap parking pass.
I'm going to guess you can get seats dirt cheap. By Friday or Saturday, they'll be almost free.

 
Code Red Bucs game works for me. Cousins plays poorly he needs to sit. Such a winnable game.

. I wonder if it was Pats, bye, Bucs how this would unfold.

Other news.... I'm planning on being at the Bucs game. Let me know if anyone wants to tailgate. Also looking for cheap seats and a cheap parking pass.
If you need/want someone to go in on a pair of seats with you...

 
Well, it only took until Week 6, but here comes the annual #### show.

Where to start:

Well after a good 1st half, we continue to #### the bed in the 2nd half of games. Saw that we've been outscored 46-3 in the 3rd quarter so far. That's pathetic and shows the lack of adjustments the coaching staff makes at half time. Believe we've had the lead in 5 of the 6 games going into the half, yet we're 2-4. Sounds about right.

Cousins is doing what he does, turning the ball over at ridiculous rates. He now has multiple INTs in 4 of the 6 games. Has a nice 6:8 TD:INT ratio so far. But as usual, Gruden is quick to defend Cousins for poor play. Throws multiple INTs in a game for the 4th time, "well all QBs make bad decisions. This one be the first or last time he makes a bad decision." Um, what? Can we go back to RG3 last season when he threw multiple INTs:

His footwork was below average, Gruden said of Griffin, who threw one touchdown pass, missed opportunities for two more scores by badly overthrowing Jackson and was intercepted twice. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that cant happen. He stepped up when he didnt have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times.

Boy does that look alot different than what he said about Cousins yesterday. Gruden is now the worst coach in the NFL since Philbin was fired. Guy is so in over his head, it's just sad at this point. Now he says this week is a "code red". Does he mean for himself and Kirk?

 
The only positive thing I can say this morning is that now I have finally seen a worse fake kick attempt (Indy vs. NE) than Zorn's infamous fake kick attempt vs. the Giants on MNF.

 
Well, it only took until Week 6, but here comes the annual #### show. Where to start: Well after a good 1st half, we continue to #### the bed in the 2nd half of games. Saw that we've been outscored 46-3 in the 3rd quarter so far. That's pathetic and shows the lack of adjustments the coaching staff makes at half time. Believe we've had the lead in 5 of the 6 games going into the half, yet we're 2-4. Sounds about right. Cousins is doing what he does, turning the ball over at ridiculous rates. He now has multiple INTs in 4 of the 6 games. Has a nice 6:8 TD:INT ratio so far. But as usual, Gruden is quick to defend Cousins for poor play. Throws multiple INTs in a game for the 4th time, "well all QBs make bad decisions. This one be the first or last time he makes a bad decision." Um, what? Can we go back to RG3 last season when he threw multiple INTs: His footwork was below average, Gruden said of Griffin, who threw one touchdown pass, missed opportunities for two more scores by badly overthrowing Jackson and was intercepted twice. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that cant happen. He stepped up when he didnt have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. Boy does that look alot different than what he said about Cousins yesterday. Gruden is now the worst coach in the NFL since Philbin was fired. Guy is so in over his head, it's just sad at this point. Now he says this week is a "code red". Does he mean for himself and Kirk?
It's really sad if 6 weeks in, we are already looking at the "end game of the season." If the team goes into the tank now, that's bad. The thing is, none of us expected the Redskins to be a playoff team this year. I don't even think starting 2-4 is a sign of failure. I think what we expected was that Scot M. was going to start rebuilding the team's personnel and culture and that we would fight hard -- lose often due to being outclassed -- but still look like a competent team on the rise. Honestly even through last week's game vs. Falcons, the Redskins were still being considered by National Media as a team on the rise. PFT went from ridiculing the Redskins as "the most dysfunctional team in the NFL" to a team that will play hard and win a lot of games. This was due to our strong defense, commitment to running game, and personnel choices that valued hard working, tough, character guys. It is absolutely a scenario that we finish the season 6-10 but still take a step forward in terms of building a franchise. But for that to happen, we are going to have to make the same "tough choices" everywhere that we supposedly made at QB this year. I don't think that means we should fire Gruden mid year. I think, if Scot M. is going to pull the plug on a guy before his contract is up, he needs to give him the full season. Otherwise, GM is going to be part of the same knee jerk, reactionary culture that gets us in trouble.

In terms of evaluating QB play, the bottom line is that Cousins still throws too many INTs. 4 losses = multiple INTs, 2 wins = no INTs...it's really that simple. I actually was one who thought we should give Cousins a shot, since RGIII wasn't "getting it" as a drop back passer. I still think that RGIII wasn't getting it, but it's disappointing that Cousins hasn't come out and seized the job. Nor do I think Colt is the answer. I think most likely our "QB of the Future" is not currently on the team. As far as Gruden goes, yeah, he hitched his wagon to Kirk, now he feels like he has to defend him. I don't think he has to trash him in the media -- we all said he shouldn't trash Robert, so to be fair give him a chance to learn from that mistake -- but he also doesn't have to blame Kirk's errant throws on a stiff breeze or the fact that he has to make adjustments pre-snap like every other QB in the league.

Anyway, what I'm looking for for the rest of the season --- I know this is not a playoff team...I never thought it was. I'm just looking for the team to not give up, continue to fight hard, and stay in games. Looking for the team to cut down on penalties and turnovers and just look more competent...if you lose, please lose based on talent not on mistakes. That's what is distressing about the last loss is the sense of the wheels falling off...losing a respectable game might not bring all this angst. So 4 of the 6 games we were in right to the end. 2 we got spanked. If we can just play like we did in those 4, then I still think we can start to build something. Regardless of the QB, we're still on the right track with the defense, we have a much better kicker now (that is huge), and improved offensive line thanks to Bill Callahan, and some skill players to start with (RBs and WRs are not bad, though Jackson can't stay on the field so we need a better deep threat and Reed can't stay on the field meaning we need to address that).

I do think the Tampa Bay is a big game. If we go into the tank and lose this game, then I think the wheels have fallen off. If we win, then lose to NE (inevitable), we'll be 3-5 at the half way point -- not good by any stretch but not surprising for a team many thought would finish with 4 wins total. We can then just try to win 3-4 for a total of 6 or 7 wins and a gradual improvement from the previous year.

We'll see what happens.

 
Not to gripe about the schedule, but this is the second week in a row that we have to play a team coming off a bye. Know it's inevitable to have to play teams coming off a bye, but two weeks in a row? That kind of blows for a team that is itself beat up...

 
Mike, just to be clear, I'm not advocating trashing Kirk in the media, but it's so obvious that Gruden will bend over backwards to defend Kirk.

What's interesting to me, is the "Kirk needs more time" people. You know who has the most starts under Gruden? Kirk. He's started 11 games the last 2 seasons. RG3 has 7 starts under Gruden (1 of those being the Jags game). People keep waiting for Kirk to "get it", but we just keep seeing the same old Kirk week in and week out. Yes, he has his moments where he looks good, but he's also had plenty where he looks bad. Like you, I feel pretty confident the QB of the future isn't on this current team. But how long can Gruden keep trotting Kirk out there to throw multiple INTs?

As for this season, I think McCloughan has made a nice first impression with this team. Right now, we've got some tough injuries to deal with, but McC's first draft class has been contributing and playing well so far. I didn't expect the team to do much this year and I've been pleased in what I've seen from the non-QB positions. I like the philosophy McCloughan is building towards and think we'll see a team that will be competitive win or lose.

Yes, the Tampa game is pretty much do or die for this season. Granted even at 3-4, most don't believe this team is going anywhere, but a 2-5 going into the bye would not be good. It's not like the Bucs are any better than we are right now. So it is a game we should be able to win, especially at home. Though, I'm not sure even a win this week keeps Gruden around much longer. I still think he's gone after the season and McCloughan brings in someone that fits his style. I don't think they would fire Gruden mid season, but if they did, I'm sure Callahan would fill in.

Looking at the schedule the rest of the way, I see maybe 2 more wins: Tampa and Chicago. The rest of the games: Patriots, Saints, Panthers, Giants, Cowboysx2, Bills, and Eagles don't look too good.

 
Well, it only took until Week 6, but here comes the annual #### show. Where to start: Well after a good 1st half, we continue to #### the bed in the 2nd half of games. Saw that we've been outscored 46-3 in the 3rd quarter so far. That's pathetic and shows the lack of adjustments the coaching staff makes at half time. Believe we've had the lead in 5 of the 6 games going into the half, yet we're 2-4. Sounds about right. Cousins is doing what he does, turning the ball over at ridiculous rates. He now has multiple INTs in 4 of the 6 games. Has a nice 6:8 TD:INT ratio so far. But as usual, Gruden is quick to defend Cousins for poor play. Throws multiple INTs in a game for the 4th time, "well all QBs make bad decisions. This one be the first or last time he makes a bad decision." Um, what? Can we go back to RG3 last season when he threw multiple INTs: His footwork was below average, Gruden said of Griffin, who threw one touchdown pass, missed opportunities for two more scores by badly overthrowing Jackson and was intercepted twice. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that cant happen. He stepped up when he didnt have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. Boy does that look alot different than what he said about Cousins yesterday. Gruden is now the worst coach in the NFL since Philbin was fired. Guy is so in over his head, it's just sad at this point. Now he says this week is a "code red". Does he mean for himself and Kirk?
It's really sad if 6 weeks in, we are already looking at the "end game of the season." If the team goes into the tank now, that's bad. The thing is, none of us expected the Redskins to be a playoff team this year. I don't even think starting 2-4 is a sign of failure. I think what we expected was that Scot M. was going to start rebuilding the team's personnel and culture and that we would fight hard -- lose often due to being outclassed -- but still look like a competent team on the rise. Honestly even through last week's game vs. Falcons, the Redskins were still being considered by National Media as a team on the rise. PFT went from ridiculing the Redskins as "the most dysfunctional team in the NFL" to a team that will play hard and win a lot of games. This was due to our strong defense, commitment to running game, and personnel choices that valued hard working, tough, character guys. It is absolutely a scenario that we finish the season 6-10 but still take a step forward in terms of building a franchise. But for that to happen, we are going to have to make the same "tough choices" everywhere that we supposedly made at QB this year. I don't think that means we should fire Gruden mid year. I think, if Scot M. is going to pull the plug on a guy before his contract is up, he needs to give him the full season. Otherwise, GM is going to be part of the same knee jerk, reactionary culture that gets us in trouble. In terms of evaluating QB play, the bottom line is that Cousins still throws too many INTs. 4 losses = multiple INTs, 2 wins = no INTs...it's really that simple. I actually was one who thought we should give Cousins a shot, since RGIII wasn't "getting it" as a drop back passer. I still think that RGIII wasn't getting it, but it's disappointing that Cousins hasn't come out and seized the job. Nor do I think Colt is the answer. I think most likely our "QB of the Future" is not currently on the team. As far as Gruden goes, yeah, he hitched his wagon to Kirk, now he feels like he has to defend him. I don't think he has to trash him in the media -- we all said he shouldn't trash Robert, so to be fair give him a chance to learn from that mistake -- but he also doesn't have to blame Kirk's errant throws on a stiff breeze or the fact that he has to make adjustments pre-snap like every other QB in the league.

Anyway, what I'm looking for for the rest of the season --- I know this is not a playoff team...I never thought it was. I'm just looking for the team to not give up, continue to fight hard, and stay in games. Looking for the team to cut down on penalties and turnovers and just look more competent...if you lose, please lose based on talent not on mistakes. That's what is distressing about the last loss is the sense of the wheels falling off...losing a respectable game might not bring all this angst. So 4 of the 6 games we were in right to the end. 2 we got spanked. If we can just play like we did in those 4, then I still think we can start to build something. Regardless of the QB, we're still on the right track with the defense, we have a much better kicker now (that is huge), and improved offensive line thanks to Bill Callahan, and some skill players to start with (RBs and WRs are not bad, though Jackson can't stay on the field so we need a better deep threat and Reed can't stay on the field meaning we need to address that).

I do think the Tampa Bay is a big game. If we go into the tank and lose this game, then I think the wheels have fallen off. If we win, then lose to NE (inevitable), we'll be 3-5 at the half way point -- not good by any stretch but not surprising for a team many thought would finish with 4 wins total. We can then just try to win 3-4 for a total of 6 or 7 wins and a gradual improvement from the previous year.

We'll see what happens.
 could not agree more. i think this perspective and the points you've made get lost in this seasonal thread all the time.

generally speaking, i dont think anyone would argue this time hasn't played hard most of the time so far, despite near fatal injuries, poor HC'ing, and a lack of overall talent.

The young guys continue to improve or have been steady, not regress, depending on how you look at it.

if we get past TB and lose to NE, 3-5 isn't awful, considering what was expecting coming in.

Hell, if this team had more competent QB play, we'd be knee deep in a playoff race, despite all the negatives.

 
Mike, just to be clear, I'm not advocating trashing Kirk in the media, but it's so obvious that Gruden will bend over backwards to defend Kirk.

What's interesting to me, is the "Kirk needs more time" people. You know who has the most starts under Gruden? Kirk. He's started 11 games the last 2 seasons. RG3 has 7 starts under Gruden (1 of those being the Jags game). People keep waiting for Kirk to "get it", but we just keep seeing the same old Kirk week in and week out. Yes, he has his moments where he looks good, but he's also had plenty where he looks bad. Like you, I feel pretty confident the QB of the future isn't on this current team. But how long can Gruden keep trotting Kirk out there to throw multiple INTs?

As for this season, I think McCloughan has made a nice first impression with this team. Right now, we've got some tough injuries to deal with, but McC's first draft class has been contributing and playing well so far. I didn't expect the team to do much this year and I've been pleased in what I've seen from the non-QB positions. I like the philosophy McCloughan is building towards and think we'll see a team that will be competitive win or lose.

Yes, the Tampa game is pretty much do or die for this season. Granted even at 3-4, most don't believe this team is going anywhere, but a 2-5 going into the bye would not be good. It's not like the Bucs are any better than we are right now. So it is a game we should be able to win, especially at home. Though, I'm not sure even a win this week keeps Gruden around much longer. I still think he's gone after the season and McCloughan brings in someone that fits his style. I don't think they would fire Gruden mid season, but if they did, I'm sure Callahan would fill in.

Looking at the schedule the rest of the way, I see maybe 2 more wins: Tampa and Chicago. The rest of the games: Patriots, Saints, Panthers, Giants, Cowboysx2, Bills, and Eagles don't look too good.
Oh yeah, I get what you are saying. Gruden is definitely making excuses for Kirk, which is actually making excuses for GRUDEN since he hitched his wagon to him. That's what's going on for sure. So I totally get what you are saying.

If Cousins throws multiple picks vs. Tampa and they lose, I think we'll see McCoy. I don't think we see Griffin at this point. I just don't think we're going to put 16 Million on the line there, unless we are darn certain Griffin is the man going forward. The rest of the team is going in the right direction I think, but that position is a mess.

Going forward...2 wins, 3 wins, 4 wins...in a way it's almost arbitrary. We just need to build the team up. One play difference and we lose to Philly. One play difference and we beat Atlanta. It's just that close between winning and losing so I'm trying to just look to see if the team even looks competent.

 
Well, it only took until Week 6, but here comes the annual #### show. Where to start: Well after a good 1st half, we continue to #### the bed in the 2nd half of games. Saw that we've been outscored 46-3 in the 3rd quarter so far. That's pathetic and shows the lack of adjustments the coaching staff makes at half time. Believe we've had the lead in 5 of the 6 games going into the half, yet we're 2-4. Sounds about right. Cousins is doing what he does, turning the ball over at ridiculous rates. He now has multiple INTs in 4 of the 6 games. Has a nice 6:8 TD:INT ratio so far. But as usual, Gruden is quick to defend Cousins for poor play. Throws multiple INTs in a game for the 4th time, "well all QBs make bad decisions. This one be the first or last time he makes a bad decision." Um, what? Can we go back to RG3 last season when he threw multiple INTs: His footwork was below average, Gruden said of Griffin, who threw one touchdown pass, missed opportunities for two more scores by badly overthrowing Jackson and was intercepted twice. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that cant happen. He stepped up when he didnt have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. Boy does that look alot different than what he said about Cousins yesterday. Gruden is now the worst coach in the NFL since Philbin was fired. Guy is so in over his head, it's just sad at this point. Now he says this week is a "code red". Does he mean for himself and Kirk?
It's really sad if 6 weeks in, we are already looking at the "end game of the season." If the team goes into the tank now, that's bad. The thing is, none of us expected the Redskins to be a playoff team this year. I don't even think starting 2-4 is a sign of failure. I think what we expected was that Scot M. was going to start rebuilding the team's personnel and culture and that we would fight hard -- lose often due to being outclassed -- but still look like a competent team on the rise. Honestly even through last week's game vs. Falcons, the Redskins were still being considered by National Media as a team on the rise. PFT went from ridiculing the Redskins as "the most dysfunctional team in the NFL" to a team that will play hard and win a lot of games. This was due to our strong defense, commitment to running game, and personnel choices that valued hard working, tough, character guys. It is absolutely a scenario that we finish the season 6-10 but still take a step forward in terms of building a franchise. But for that to happen, we are going to have to make the same "tough choices" everywhere that we supposedly made at QB this year. I don't think that means we should fire Gruden mid year. I think, if Scot M. is going to pull the plug on a guy before his contract is up, he needs to give him the full season. Otherwise, GM is going to be part of the same knee jerk, reactionary culture that gets us in trouble.

In terms of evaluating QB play, the bottom line is that Cousins still throws too many INTs. 4 losses = multiple INTs, 2 wins = no INTs...it's really that simple. I actually was one who thought we should give Cousins a shot, since RGIII wasn't "getting it" as a drop back passer. I still think that RGIII wasn't getting it, but it's disappointing that Cousins hasn't come out and seized the job. Nor do I think Colt is the answer. I think most likely our "QB of the Future" is not currently on the team. As far as Gruden goes, yeah, he hitched his wagon to Kirk, now he feels like he has to defend him. I don't think he has to trash him in the media -- we all said he shouldn't trash Robert, so to be fair give him a chance to learn from that mistake -- but he also doesn't have to blame Kirk's errant throws on a stiff breeze or the fact that he has to make adjustments pre-snap like every other QB in the league.

Anyway, what I'm looking for for the rest of the season --- I know this is not a playoff team...I never thought it was. I'm just looking for the team to not give up, continue to fight hard, and stay in games. Looking for the team to cut down on penalties and turnovers and just look more competent...if you lose, please lose based on talent not on mistakes. That's what is distressing about the last loss is the sense of the wheels falling off...losing a respectable game might not bring all this angst. So 4 of the 6 games we were in right to the end. 2 we got spanked. If we can just play like we did in those 4, then I still think we can start to build something. Regardless of the QB, we're still on the right track with the defense, we have a much better kicker now (that is huge), and improved offensive line thanks to Bill Callahan, and some skill players to start with (RBs and WRs are not bad, though Jackson can't stay on the field so we need a better deep threat and Reed can't stay on the field meaning we need to address that).

I do think the Tampa Bay is a big game. If we go into the tank and lose this game, then I think the wheels have fallen off. If we win, then lose to NE (inevitable), we'll be 3-5 at the half way point -- not good by any stretch but not surprising for a team many thought would finish with 4 wins total. We can then just try to win 3-4 for a total of 6 or 7 wins and a gradual improvement from the previous year.

We'll see what happens.
:goodposting:

Lots of bright spots for a developing team is being missed. There are some good coaches on this team, I thought Joe Barry was not a good hire, but he's done really well with this defense. Lots of injuries but lots of guys stepping up and playing well, biggest issue seems to be Gruden yet again.

We all knew this team was a re-build this year. As long as Scot McC is making the personnel moves the team will keep moving in the right direction. The coaches he added this year were solid selections and I'd like to see what this team would look like with his hand picked Head Coach here.

 
People need to realize that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB the same reason why Josh McCown is starting in Cleveland and Brian Hoyer is starting in Houston. he is the better is a group of suck quarterbacks. If there was a better QB on the team none of the 3 would be sniffing a starting job

Gruden is calling the Bucs game a 'Code Red' game which is true because if they lose with the Patriots next, not only is there a new QB but probably a new head coach

 
People need to realize that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB the same reason why Josh McCown is starting in Cleveland and Brian Hoyer is starting in Houston. he is the better is a group of suck quarterbacks. If there was a better QB on the team none of the 3 would be sniffing a starting job
Exactly what I've told my fellow Skins fans here in Ohio... I've heard too many times: "Well we could've gotten Matt Cassel or signed Christian Ponder or acquired Matt Barkley." A stiff is a stiff regardless of the team. Now I'm not writing Cousins off as a total stiff, but he's certainly nowhere near a franchise building block QB.

 
People need to realize that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB the same reason why Josh McCown is starting in Cleveland and Brian Hoyer is starting in Houston. he is the better is a group of suck quarterbacks. If there was a better QB on the team none of the 3 would be sniffing a starting job

Gruden is calling the Bucs game a 'Code Red' game which is true because if they lose with the Patriots next, not only is there a new QB but probably a new head coach
Is he really better than the others though? His passer rating and ANY/A is lower than Griffin's was in any year. And his ANY/A is lower than McCoy's ever was a starter, including McCoy's time in Cleveland.

ETA: Cian Fahey doing a good breakdown on Cousins' game right now: https://twitter.com/Cianaf

 
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People need to realize that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB the same reason why Josh McCown is starting in Cleveland and Brian Hoyer is starting in Houston. he is the better is a group of suck quarterbacks. If there was a better QB on the team none of the 3 would be sniffing a starting job

Gruden is calling the Bucs game a 'Code Red' game which is true because if they lose with the Patriots next, not only is there a new QB but probably a new head coach
Is he really better than the others though? His passer rating and ANY/A is lower than Griffin's was in any year. And his ANY/A is lower than McCoy's ever was a starter, including McCoy's time in Cleveland.
Cousins gives Scot McC the best opportunity to evaluate other positions (including coaches). If you agree, which most of us do I think, that the QB of the future isn't on the roster you want to start the guy who gives you the best chance to evaluate the rest of the team and see what you need moving forward.

 
Well, it only took until Week 6, but here comes the annual #### show. Where to start: Well after a good 1st half, we continue to #### the bed in the 2nd half of games. Saw that we've been outscored 46-3 in the 3rd quarter so far. That's pathetic and shows the lack of adjustments the coaching staff makes at half time. Believe we've had the lead in 5 of the 6 games going into the half, yet we're 2-4. Sounds about right. Cousins is doing what he does, turning the ball over at ridiculous rates. He now has multiple INTs in 4 of the 6 games. Has a nice 6:8 TD:INT ratio so far. But as usual, Gruden is quick to defend Cousins for poor play. Throws multiple INTs in a game for the 4th time, "well all QBs make bad decisions. This one be the first or last time he makes a bad decision." Um, what? Can we go back to RG3 last season when he threw multiple INTs: His footwork was below average, Gruden said of Griffin, who threw one touchdown pass, missed opportunities for two more scores by badly overthrowing Jackson and was intercepted twice. He took three-step drops when he should have taken five. He took a one-step drop when he should have taken three, on a couple occasions, and that cant happen. He stepped up when he didnt have to step up and stepped into pressure. He read the wrong side of the field a couple times. Boy does that look alot different than what he said about Cousins yesterday. Gruden is now the worst coach in the NFL since Philbin was fired. Guy is so in over his head, it's just sad at this point. Now he says this week is a "code red". Does he mean for himself and Kirk?
It's really sad if 6 weeks in, we are already looking at the "end game of the season." If the team goes into the tank now, that's bad. The thing is, none of us expected the Redskins to be a playoff team this year. I don't even think starting 2-4 is a sign of failure. I think what we expected was that Scot M. was going to start rebuilding the team's personnel and culture and that we would fight hard -- lose often due to being outclassed -- but still look like a competent team on the rise. Honestly even through last week's game vs. Falcons, the Redskins were still being considered by National Media as a team on the rise. PFT went from ridiculing the Redskins as "the most dysfunctional team in the NFL" to a team that will play hard and win a lot of games. This was due to our strong defense, commitment to running game, and personnel choices that valued hard working, tough, character guys. It is absolutely a scenario that we finish the season 6-10 but still take a step forward in terms of building a franchise. But for that to happen, we are going to have to make the same "tough choices" everywhere that we supposedly made at QB this year. I don't think that means we should fire Gruden mid year. I think, if Scot M. is going to pull the plug on a guy before his contract is up, he needs to give him the full season. Otherwise, GM is going to be part of the same knee jerk, reactionary culture that gets us in trouble.

In terms of evaluating QB play, the bottom line is that Cousins still throws too many INTs. 4 losses = multiple INTs, 2 wins = no INTs...it's really that simple. I actually was one who thought we should give Cousins a shot, since RGIII wasn't "getting it" as a drop back passer. I still think that RGIII wasn't getting it, but it's disappointing that Cousins hasn't come out and seized the job. Nor do I think Colt is the answer. I think most likely our "QB of the Future" is not currently on the team. As far as Gruden goes, yeah, he hitched his wagon to Kirk, now he feels like he has to defend him. I don't think he has to trash him in the media -- we all said he shouldn't trash Robert, so to be fair give him a chance to learn from that mistake -- but he also doesn't have to blame Kirk's errant throws on a stiff breeze or the fact that he has to make adjustments pre-snap like every other QB in the league.

Anyway, what I'm looking for for the rest of the season --- I know this is not a playoff team...I never thought it was. I'm just looking for the team to not give up, continue to fight hard, and stay in games. Looking for the team to cut down on penalties and turnovers and just look more competent...if you lose, please lose based on talent not on mistakes. That's what is distressing about the last loss is the sense of the wheels falling off...losing a respectable game might not bring all this angst. So 4 of the 6 games we were in right to the end. 2 we got spanked. If we can just play like we did in those 4, then I still think we can start to build something. Regardless of the QB, we're still on the right track with the defense, we have a much better kicker now (that is huge), and improved offensive line thanks to Bill Callahan, and some skill players to start with (RBs and WRs are not bad, though Jackson can't stay on the field so we need a better deep threat and Reed can't stay on the field meaning we need to address that).

I do think the Tampa Bay is a big game. If we go into the tank and lose this game, then I think the wheels have fallen off. If we win, then lose to NE (inevitable), we'll be 3-5 at the half way point -- not good by any stretch but not surprising for a team many thought would finish with 4 wins total. We can then just try to win 3-4 for a total of 6 or 7 wins and a gradual improvement from the previous year.

We'll see what happens.
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Lots of bright spots for a developing team is being missed. There are some good coaches on this team, I thought Joe Barry was not a good hire, but he's done really well with this defense. Lots of injuries but lots of guys stepping up and playing well, biggest issue seems to be Gruden yet again.

We all knew this team was a re-build this year. As long as Scot McC is making the personnel moves the team will keep moving in the right direction. The coaches he added this year were solid selections and I'd like to see what this team would look like with his hand picked Head Coach here.
Oh there's definitely good things happening. Like I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, the 2015 draft class is contributing and playing well. The defense is playing much better than any of us thought they would, especially with the injuries in the secondary and Kerrigan not being a huge factor. The OL has played much better than expected as well. There's definitely things to build on going forward with this team. The wins and losses aren't as important as developing players for the future. That's what this year is about.

 
People need to realize that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB the same reason why Josh McCown is starting in Cleveland and Brian Hoyer is starting in Houston. he is the better is a group of suck quarterbacks. If there was a better QB on the team none of the 3 would be sniffing a starting job

Gruden is calling the Bucs game a 'Code Red' game which is true because if they lose with the Patriots next, not only is there a new QB but probably a new head coach
Is he really better than the others though? His passer rating and ANY/A is lower than Griffin's was in any year. And his ANY/A is lower than McCoy's ever was a starter, including McCoy's time in Cleveland.
Cousins gives Scot McC the best opportunity to evaluate other positions (including coaches). If you agree, which most of us do I think, that the QB of the future isn't on the roster you want to start the guy who gives you the best chance to evaluate the rest of the team and see what you need moving forward.
While I agree that the QB of the future isn't on the team, I don't think evaluation should be the goal. The NFC East is terrible this year. 8-8 could win the division. They are only 1.5 games out of the division lead.

 
People need to realize that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB the same reason why Josh McCown is starting in Cleveland and Brian Hoyer is starting in Houston. he is the better is a group of suck quarterbacks. If there was a better QB on the team none of the 3 would be sniffing a starting job

Gruden is calling the Bucs game a 'Code Red' game which is true because if they lose with the Patriots next, not only is there a new QB but probably a new head coach
Is he really better than the others though? His passer rating and ANY/A is lower than Griffin's was in any year. And his ANY/A is lower than McCoy's ever was a starter, including McCoy's time in Cleveland.

ETA: Cian Fahey doing a good breakdown on Cousins' game right now: https://twitter.com/Cianaf
Here's a list of QB seasons with comp % >= 65%, pass attempts >=100, sorted by ascending AY/A. Cousins 2015 is current 4th worst all time. 3rd in Y/A and 10th in ANY/A.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&year_min=1920&year_max=2015&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&league_id=&team_id=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_qb=Y&c1stat=pass_cmp_perc&c1comp=gt&c1val=65&c2stat=pass_att&c2comp=gt&c2val=100&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5comp=&c5gtlt=lt&c6mult=1.0&c6comp=&order_by=pass_adj_yds_per_att&order_by_asc=Y&draft=0&draft_year_min=1936&draft_year_max=2015&type=&draft_round_min=0&draft_round_max=99&draft_slot_min=1&draft_slot_max=500&draft_pick_in_round=0&draft_league_id=&draft_team_id=&college_id=all&conference=any&draft_pos_is_qb=Y&draft_pos_is_rb=Y&draft_pos_is_wr=Y&draft_pos_is_te=Y&draft_pos_is_e=Y&draft_pos_is_t=Y&draft_pos_is_g=Y&draft_pos_is_c=Y&draft_pos_is_ol=Y&draft_pos_is_dt=Y&draft_pos_is_de=Y&draft_pos_is_dl=Y&draft_pos_is_ilb=Y&draft_pos_is_olb=Y&draft_pos_is_lb=Y&draft_pos_is_cb=Y&draft_pos_is_s=Y&draft_pos_is_db=Y&draft_pos_is_k=Y&draft_pos_is_p=Y

It's not a good season. He's missing wide open players, getting bailed out by receivers on throws behind them, and throwing off balance when there's no pressure. Not good.

 
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People need to realize that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB the same reason why Josh McCown is starting in Cleveland and Brian Hoyer is starting in Houston. he is the better is a group of suck quarterbacks. If there was a better QB on the team none of the 3 would be sniffing a starting job

Gruden is calling the Bucs game a 'Code Red' game which is true because if they lose with the Patriots next, not only is there a new QB but probably a new head coach
Is he really better than the others though? His passer rating and ANY/A is lower than Griffin's was in any year. And his ANY/A is lower than McCoy's ever was a starter, including McCoy's time in Cleveland.
Cousins gives Scot McC the best opportunity to evaluate other positions (including coaches). If you agree, which most of us do I think, that the QB of the future isn't on the roster you want to start the guy who gives you the best chance to evaluate the rest of the team and see what you need moving forward.
While I agree that the QB of the future isn't on the team, I don't think evaluation should be the goal. The NFC East is terrible this year. 8-8 could win the division. They are only 1.5 games out of the division lead.
I think Gruden is the biggest problem with the team at the moment. He wasn't good last year and the aspects of the game he is responsible for continue to look worse. I'd like to see them move on sooner rather than later and be set to compete year in and year out rather than do well when the rest of the division is a mess.

 
People need to realize that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB the same reason why Josh McCown is starting in Cleveland and Brian Hoyer is starting in Houston. he is the better is a group of suck quarterbacks. If there was a better QB on the team none of the 3 would be sniffing a starting job

Gruden is calling the Bucs game a 'Code Red' game which is true because if they lose with the Patriots next, not only is there a new QB but probably a new head coach
Is he really better than the others though? His passer rating and ANY/A is lower than Griffin's was in any year. And his ANY/A is lower than McCoy's ever was a starter, including McCoy's time in Cleveland.
Cousins gives Scot McC the best opportunity to evaluate other positions (including coaches). If you agree, which most of us do I think, that the QB of the future isn't on the roster you want to start the guy who gives you the best chance to evaluate the rest of the team and see what you need moving forward.
While I agree that the QB of the future isn't on the team, I don't think evaluation should be the goal. The NFC East is terrible this year. 8-8 could win the division. They are only 1.5 games out of the division lead.
I think Gruden is the biggest problem with the team at the moment. He wasn't good last year and the aspects of the game he is responsible for continue to look worse. I'd like to see them move on sooner rather than later and be set to compete year in and year out rather than do well when the rest of the division is a mess.
I was never a fan of the Gruden hire, so I'm in full support of getting rid of him. But if you've got a chance to make the playoffs any year, I think you go for it. Once you are in the postseason, it's always possible to get hot and the other team can have a bad game.

But, if the only way that Scott McC can evaluate WRs is by seeing how they adjust to terribly inaccurate throws by Cousins in real-time game situations, then I question his evaluation chops. And I don't know what more you need to know about the coach's system than this.

 
I think some of my opinions are in the minority here, but here they are:

1. There is no way Gruden will be fired during the season. It will create a circus of an atmosphere, which the Redskins are already much too familiar with. It is much better to give him a full season, do an evaluation, and then, if you need to, make the change and do a proper coaching search.

2. The rookie class is playing very well and they look very promising. That is the good.

3. The injuries are ridiculous. Especially along the O-Line. Moses was the experienced veteran with 6 starts.

4. I am very concerned about the run defense. After looking good to start the season, the defense has been really mauled the past two weeks. It looks like a trend to me.

5. The pass defense looks much improved, even with Culliver and Hall out. The front 4 or 5 have been getting some consistent pressure on the QB.

6. The power running game, which is supposed to be the core of the offense, really has not done well the past 4 games. It is hard to build an offense around a running game that is not working. That is also an alarming trend.

7. I thought Cousins would be more accurate that he has been. He throws behind a lot receivers and is just not placing the ball very well.

8. Without a running attack, running this offense will be very difficult for anyone. That said, if they lose to TB and Cousins plays poorly, we will probably see McCoy.

I thought this would be a tough, rebuilding season. I was encouraged the first two weeks. But they are really struggling on offense, especially running the ball.

 
Sorry, that last post sailed on me. I'm young, and it's windy here, and I'm under a lot of pre-post pressure.

 
People need to realize that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB the same reason why Josh McCown is starting in Cleveland and Brian Hoyer is starting in Houston. he is the better is a group of suck quarterbacks. If there was a better QB on the team none of the 3 would be sniffing a starting job

Gruden is calling the Bucs game a 'Code Red' game which is true because if they lose with the Patriots next, not only is there a new QB but probably a new head coach
Is he really better than the others though? His passer rating and ANY/A is lower than Griffin's was in any year. And his ANY/A is lower than McCoy's ever was a starter, including McCoy's time in Cleveland.
Cousins gives Scot McC the best opportunity to evaluate other positions (including coaches). If you agree, which most of us do I think, that the QB of the future isn't on the roster you want to start the guy who gives you the best chance to evaluate the rest of the team and see what you need moving forward.
I hate hearing this excuse. How do we know that? Why is everyone so sure Cousins is the best option? "Because he moves the offense". What does that mean? If averaging 19 points a game is "moving the offense" then we have pretty low standards.

 
Gruden is now the worst coach in the NFL since Philbin was fired. Guy is so in over his head, it's just sad at this point. Now he says this week is a "code red". Does he mean for himself and Kirk?
I said it last year and my opinion hasn't changed: Gruden looks Zornish. He does a better press conference, sounds more detailed and knowledgeable, but his inability to get his team to play after halftime is just incompetence. He hasn't progressed since last year; he's just been reined in by now having an O-line coach and a DC who isn't Haslett, and a real GM.

Speaking of which, our much-praised O-line coach has a team that week after week cannot run the ball. I think any praise directed at Callahan needs to be put on hold for awhile. It's like we're still stuck in the warm afterglow of the first few games of the season and all those rushing yards. That was ages ago, other teams have figured out how to stop it, and the run game is stuck and the run blocking is not good.

And speaking of our DC, I've seen improvement in some areas since Barry's been here but in second halves they look confused, don't tackle as well, and there's a big pregnant problem: We've given up about 400 yards rushing in the last 2 weeks. That is absolutely horrible.

As to the GM, I do agree with people above saying Gruden will get to finish the season. I think McLoughan is smart enough not to create a circus mid-season, and I do think he has final say on that matter. But I think Gruden will be gone at the end of the year, period. He's in over his head, it's obvious. The only question to me is whether he'll be walking through the locker room like an ignored ghost for the rest of the season, totally tuned out, or whether players will still continue to listen to him. The answer to that question depends on the Tampa Bay game. Lose that one, and he may as well be invisible as far as the players are concerned. Players don't play hard for a doomed coach who can't coach, and they'll see him that way with a Tampa loss.

 
My other issue yesterday, is how does Alfred Morris only get 11 carries? This has been a common theme under Gruden. With no Matt Jones, there's no reason Alf shouldn't have had 20+ carries. Yes, we dug ourselves a hole early in the 2nd half (not new with this team), but Alf needs more carries. Why does Gruden go away from him so quickly?

 
My other issue yesterday, is how does Alfred Morris only get 11 carries? This has been a common theme under Gruden. With no Matt Jones, there's no reason Alf shouldn't have had 20+ carries. Yes, we dug ourselves a hole early in the 2nd half (not new with this team), but Alf needs more carries. Why does Gruden go away from him so quickly?
True story, I had a dream the other night that we were losing to the Bucs 14-41 and Silas Redd was getting more carries than Alf.

 
I think some of my opinions are in the minority here, but here they are:

1. There is no way Gruden will be fired during the season. It will create a circus of an atmosphere, which the Redskins are already much too familiar with. It is much better to give him a full season, do an evaluation, and then, if you need to, make the change and do a proper coaching search.

2. The rookie class is playing very well and they look very promising. That is the good.

3. The injuries are ridiculous. Especially along the O-Line. Moses was the experienced veteran with 6 starts.

4. I am very concerned about the run defense. After looking good to start the season, the defense has been really mauled the past two weeks. It looks like a trend to me.

5. The pass defense looks much improved, even with Culliver and Hall out. The front 4 or 5 have been getting some consistent pressure on the QB.

6. The power running game, which is supposed to be the core of the offense, really has not done well the past 4 games. It is hard to build an offense around a running game that is not working. That is also an alarming trend.

7. I thought Cousins would be more accurate that he has been. He throws behind a lot receivers and is just not placing the ball very well.

8. Without a running attack, running this offense will be very difficult for anyone. That said, if they lose to TB and Cousins plays poorly, we will probably see McCoy.

I thought this would be a tough, rebuilding season. I was encouraged the first two weeks. But they are really struggling on offense, especially running the ball.
Is 6 the direct result of 3? Not making excuses, just a factor that is a little bit out of the team's control.

 
7. I thought Cousins would be more accurate that he has been. He throws behind a lot receivers and is just not placing the ball very well.
I probably supported Griffin last year and this year far longer than I should have based on his performance, I admit that.

Quite a few other people, on this board, in the press, and in the stands, fell into the mistake of thinking that because Griffin was bad, Cousins therefore must be good. He's not good, he never has been, and he won't be in my opinion. He's inaccurate, he blunders frequently, his confidence is fragile, and he is not at all a leader.

If the team wants to win as many games as they can this year they should put McCoy for as long as he lasts. The way Cousins is playing now I see 0 more wins on the schedule. There are beatable teams, I could seen ending up with 6 wins tops if some strange sequences of events unfold. But with Cousins out there I don't see any wins left. I also think Cousins will start against Tampa. I'd be very happy if he proves me wrong.

 
My other issue yesterday, is how does Alfred Morris only get 11 carries? This has been a common theme under Gruden. With no Matt Jones, there's no reason Alf shouldn't have had 20+ carries. Yes, we dug ourselves a hole early in the 2nd half (not new with this team), but Alf needs more carries. Why does Gruden go away from him so quickly?
This is my biggest frustration. When Thompson got a goalline carry yesterday from the 2 i was just baffled. We need to get back to running the ball.

 
Latest from the DC Sports Bog: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/dc-sports-bog/wp/2015/10/19/jay-grudens-postgame-comments-on-kirk-cousins-a-closer-look/

Okay okay okay, stop the tape, stop the tape. This is probably the appropriate time to flash back to last November, when Gruden was analyzing the play of one of his other quarterbacks after a home loss to Tampa. The quarterback in that game was 23 for 32 for 207 yards, with one touchdown and two interceptions. Cousins on Sunday was 25 for 43 for 196 yards, with one touchdown and two interceptions.

After that Tampa game, Gruden said his quarterback “had some fundamental flaws,” with footwork that was “below average” and incorrect drops, that he “stepped into pressure” and “read the wrong side of the field a couple of times,” and that “it was not even close to being good enough to what we expect from that quarterback position.”

Fair enough. Gruden’s job hinges on his ability to get the quarterback play he wants, and he’s the one paid to judge these men. The quarterback that day had a functioning running game, was facing a weaker opponent, and was sacked six times. It’s just an awful steep drop from breathing fire about unacceptable quarterbacking to “also a little windy.”

“There’s a lot of things going on pre-snap that he’s got to deal with, getting the formations, the protections and all that.”

Look, Cousins was in a horrible spot on Sunday: without his top three tight ends from training camp, without his best wide receiver, without three starting offensive linemen, without any semblance of a running game. But if we’re going to insist on context, it’s hard to divorce Sunday’s game from the context of his career.
If this doesn't show the bias Gruden has towards Cousins, then nothing will.

 
MattFancy said:
thayman said:
Don Quixote said:
hammerva said:
People need to realize that Kirk Cousins is the starting QB the same reason why Josh McCown is starting in Cleveland and Brian Hoyer is starting in Houston. he is the better is a group of suck quarterbacks. If there was a better QB on the team none of the 3 would be sniffing a starting job

Gruden is calling the Bucs game a 'Code Red' game which is true because if they lose with the Patriots next, not only is there a new QB but probably a new head coach
Is he really better than the others though? His passer rating and ANY/A is lower than Griffin's was in any year. And his ANY/A is lower than McCoy's ever was a starter, including McCoy's time in Cleveland.
Cousins gives Scot McC the best opportunity to evaluate other positions (including coaches). If you agree, which most of us do I think, that the QB of the future isn't on the roster you want to start the guy who gives you the best chance to evaluate the rest of the team and see what you need moving forward.
I hate hearing this excuse. How do we know that? Why is everyone so sure Cousins is the best option? "Because he moves the offense". What does that mean? If averaging 19 points a game is "moving the offense" then we have pretty low standards.
Cousins is the best because that's who Gruden wanted in there. It's just as much a evaluation of the Head Coach and the system he wants to run as it is the QB position.

Just like last year the longer the QB plays in Gruden's system the worse they look. To me this year has been about Gruden wanting his guy (Cousins) in, if the QB position continues to look worse then there's a bigger reason to get rid of Gruden.

My opinion is the same as last year, I don't think it matters much who is playing the QB position since Gruden can't seem to coach any of them up or put any of them in a position to succeed.

 
In his 2 seasons under Gruden, here's Cousins' stats:

2014: 126/204, 1710,10:9 (6 games, 5 starts)

2015: 151/228, 1420, 6:8 (6 games, 6 starts)

Total: 277/432, 3130, 16:17

 

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