***Official 2016 Baseball Hall of Fame Thread (1 Viewer)

[Bruce Dickinson]

What is the resistance against Bagwell? Are voters assuming he was juiced?

 

[Deranged Hermit]

What is the resistance against Bagwell? Are voters assuming he was juiced?

That's what I read.

No proof of course, just the suspicion. Same with Piazza, but to a lesser degree.

 

[dparker713]

What is the resistance against Bagwell? Are voters assuming he was juiced?

Alot of the voters are stupid too.

 

[TobiasFunke]

If you're into reading the tea leaves, this link seems like it might tip the results. Spoiler alert, obviously. And who knows if it's valid or meaningful.

 

[dparker713]

God, the writers talking on MLB network on this HOF special are horrendous.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Griffey and Piazza

 

[Limp Ditka]

3 idiots didn't vote for Jr. Now has highest % of votes. Overtakes Seaver

 

[whoknew]

Griffey and Piazza

Strange. Very surprised Bagwell didn't get in.

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

Congrats to Griffey Jr and Piazza. IMO more than just those two were deserving, but those two definitely belong.

 

[shadyridr]

Wow, the highest draft pick and the lowest draft pick to ever make the HOF and they did it in the same year. Incredible

 

[Limp Ditka]

Hoping Deadspin gets their hands on the hate mail the guys that didn't vote for Jr receive.

 

[shadyridr]

3 idiots didn't vote for Jr. Now has highest % of votes. Overtakes Seaver

id love to hear their idiotic reasoning. Probably something like if Babe Ruth isnt anonymous nobody should be or people that just dont vote for anyone who played during the steroid era.

 

[Michael Brown]

It could be something where they thought more than 10 guys were deserving and that Griffey was gonna get enough votes anyway, so they left him off theirs

 

[Limp Ditka]

3 idiots didn't vote for Jr. Now has highest % of votes. Overtakes Seaver

id love to hear their idiotic reasoning. Probably something like if Babe Ruth isnt anonymous nobody should be or people that just dont vote for anyone who played during the steroid era.

I wonder if the Babe is helping in the fight against ISIS?

 

[Bruce Dickinson]

It could be something where they thought more than 10 guys were deserving and that Griffey was gonna get enough votes anyway, so they left him off theirs

Unfortunately, not enough of them gave up their Griffey vote to keep Jim Edmonds on the ballot.

 

[Anthony Borbely]

It could be something where they thought more than 10 guys were deserving and that Griffey was gonna get enough votes anyway, so they left him off theirs

If I recall correctly a local writer here in metro Detroit had 11 candidates and didn't want to leave any of them off so he didnt vote for anyone.

 

[shuke]

3 idiots didn't vote for Jr. Now has highest % of votes. Overtakes Seaver

id love to hear their idiotic reasoning. Probably something like if Babe Ruth isnt anonymous nobody should be or people that just dont vote for anyone who played during the steroid era.

23 guys didn't vote for Mays on first ballot. Really nothing new here.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Modern baseball intelligentsia love to say traditional benchmarks like 500 homers and 3000 hits are passé. Yet they reward hoffman for 600 saves in a time when the number is skewed and he melted down in almost every game he was in in the big stage. Saves are such an overvalued stat based on specialization. What a joke he gets 67 percent and schilling and Mussina are well behind.

 

[Daywalker]

Edmund's a hofer? Never crossed my mind.

Would also like a rule where if a player gets 90% of vote and u didn't vote for him u lose ur vote.

 

[Daywalker]

Edmonds no more innocent of ped's then someone like bagwell.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

3 idiots didn't vote for Jr. Now has highest % of votes. Overtakes Seaver

id love to hear their idiotic reasoning. Probably something like if Babe Ruth isnt anonymous nobody should be or people that just dont vote for anyone who played during the steroid era.

23 guys didn't vote for Mays on first ballot. Really nothing new here.

Gotta be some racism in that 23.

Retired Lowell Sun writer Chaz Scoggins voted for Eckstein.

 

[belljr]

Congrats to "The Kid"

Probably my favorite player ever

I tried to mimic his play.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Modern baseball intelligentsia love to say traditional benchmarks like 500 homers and 3000 hits are passé. Yet they reward hoffman for 600 saves in a time when the number is skewed and he melted down in almost every game he was in in the big stage. Saves are such an overvalued stat based on specialization. What a joke he gets 67 percent and schilling and Mussina are well behind.

I'm kinda torn on the idea of relievers in the Hall in the first place. My problem is that they're often in the bullpen only because they couldn't pitch well enough to help their team more as starters. No organization would use someone as a reliever if they were good enough to be even a #2 starter caliber, let alone a Hall of Famer. So for every reliever who will make it there's a ton of guys who possibly would have been even better at closing- in fact the limited evidence we get in the postseason suggests that all-star caliber starters are obscenely good as relievers- but never got a shot because they were too good as starters. Jordan Zimmermann ain't Hall of Fame bound as a starter, but if you tell him he's only got to throw one inning he sits 97 with a 91 mph slider and is unhittable. Doesn't seem right or fair.

 

[oso diablo]

Modern baseball intelligentsia love to say traditional benchmarks like 500 homers and 3000 hits are passé. Yet they reward hoffman for 600 saves in a time when the number is skewed and he melted down in almost every game he was in in the big stage. Saves are such an overvalued stat based on specialization. What a joke he gets 67 percent and schilling and Mussina are well behind.

i think Hoffman is HOF worthy, but i agree that his case is weaker than Schilling/Mussina.

 

[oso diablo]

next year: Pudge Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez join the ballot

 

[dparker713]

next year: Pudge Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez join the ballot

You've also got Vlad and Posada.

 

[shadyridr]

next year: Pudge Rodriguez and Manny Ramirez join the ballot

two more guys who went get in due to steroids

 

[AnonymousBob]

It's a farce Bonds hasn't made it in yet.

 

[Limp Ditka]

It's a farce Bonds hasn't made it in yet.

Thanks posty

 

[Da Guru]

Heard a stat on Griffey last night that I did not realize. In a 20 year career Griffey had 460 HRs before the age of 30, and 170 after the age of 30. The falloff in all of his numbers after 30 was pretty steep.

 

[Koya]

It's a farce Bonds hasn't made it in yet.

Of course it's not. His second career was the farce.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Heard a stat on Griffey last night that I did not realize. In a 20 year career Griffey had 460 HRs before the age of 30, and 170 after the age of 30. The falloff in all of his numbers after 30 was pretty steep.

His HR rate, up until his 30yo year was around 1 per 14.5ABs. Rest of the way was around 18.

Considering he played until 40, I don't think that's all that steep.

Health and number of games played more of a factor in that than anything.

Through 30 season, 140 games played per.

31-40, 99

 

[dparker713]

It's a farce Bonds hasn't made it in yet.

Of course it's not. His second career was the farce.

I can understand people not voting for players that got suspended. Not that I agree with it, but I understand it.

And Bonds has admitted he took the cream and clear though he claims to not have known what they were. Again, I can understand keeping someone out that admitted or the evidence is just overwhelming.

But how anyone justifies keeping Bagwell off their ballot is beyond me.

 

[Koya]

It's a farce Bonds hasn't made it in yet.

Of course it's not. His second career was the farce.

I can understand people not voting for players that got suspended. Not that I agree with it, but I understand it.

And Bonds has admitted he took the cream and clear though he claims to not have known what they were. Again, I can understand keeping someone out that admitted or the evidence is just overwhelming.

But how anyone justifies keeping Bagwell off their ballot is beyond me.

Totally agree with you on Bagwell. Got lost in the stupid Bonds-Big Mac crap, Sosa going 60 like its nothing. Didn't play in a marquee market.

 

[AnonymousBob]

It's a farce Bonds hasn't made it in yet.

Of course it's not. His second career was the farce.

Do you dismiss the first half? Or the fact he was still dominating his peers while taking steroids with mostly everyone else? HoF jerkoff but his stats are all there. The guy was amazing at both ends of his career.

 

[Koya]

It's a farce Bonds hasn't made it in yet.

Of course it's not. His second career was the farce.

Do you dismiss the first half? Or the fact he was still dominating his peers while taking steroids with mostly everyone else? HoF jerkoff but his stats are all there. The guy was amazing at both ends of his career.

Not at all. He was a clear HoFer and one of the best of his generation before the 'roids.

But greatness morphed into tragic comedy, which stains the whole.

 

[AnonymousBob]

It's a farce Bonds hasn't made it in yet.

Of course it's not. His second career was the farce.

Do you dismiss the first half? Or the fact he was still dominating his peers while taking steroids with mostly everyone else? HoF jerkoff but his stats are all there. The guy was amazing at both ends of his career.

Not at all. He was a clear HoFer and one of the best of his generation before the 'roids.

But greatness morphed into tragic comedy, which stains the whole.

I don't disagree with any of that. But the HoF is full of #### stains.

 

[shadyridr]

Yeah if anyone doesn't think at least 75% of players during that era weren't taking something I want some of what they are smoking.

 

[Koya]

Yeah if anyone doesn't think at least 75% of players during that era weren't taking something I want some of what they are smoking.

Hey, you know I'll share my stuff any day.

:stonedbanana:

 

[dparker713]

It's a farce Bonds hasn't made it in yet.

Of course it's not. His second career was the farce.

Do you dismiss the first half? Or the fact he was still dominating his peers while taking steroids with mostly everyone else? HoF jerkoff but his stats are all there. The guy was amazing at both ends of his career.

Not at all. He was a clear HoFer and one of the best of his generation before the 'roids.

But greatness morphed into tragic comedy, which stains the whole.

How is that any different from all the amphetamines in baseball over the years?

 

[Northern Voice]

I haven't followed this closely but want to see Raines get in. Why are people now saying he's basically a lock for next year if he didn't get in this year?

Also, the whole thing is basically meaningless without Bonds in it.

 

[Limp Ditka]

It's a farce Bonds hasn't made it in yet.

Of course it's not. His second career was the farce.

Do you dismiss the first half? Or the fact he was still dominating his peers while taking steroids with mostly everyone else? HoF jerkoff but his stats are all there. The guy was amazing at both ends of his career.

Not at all. He was a clear HoFer and one of the best of his generation before the 'roids.

But greatness morphed into tragic comedy, which stains the whole.

How is that any different from all the amphetamines in baseball over the years?

 

[Smack Tripper]

Modern baseball intelligentsia love to say traditional benchmarks like 500 homers and 3000 hits are passé. Yet they reward hoffman for 600 saves in a time when the number is skewed and he melted down in almost every game he was in in the big stage. Saves are such an overvalued stat based on specialization. What a joke he gets 67 percent and schilling and Mussina are well behind.

i think Hoffman is HOF worthy, but i agree that his case is weaker than Schilling/Mussina.

Looking at him, his case is worse than I expected. Multiple flops on the big stage

Only lead the league in saves twice

6 all star games in 18 seasons. Not that ASG are the be all end all but this doesn't speak to dominance

But he does have a truck load of one saves.

But I don't know how to value saves of the one inning variety, particularly when the career record has been broken 4 times in the past 20 years

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Roy Halladay showing off his 8th grade education on Twitter.

 

[Wrigley]

Modern baseball intelligentsia love to say traditional benchmarks like 500 homers and 3000 hits are passé. Yet they reward hoffman for 600 saves in a time when the number is skewed and he melted down in almost every game he was in in the big stage. Saves are such an overvalued stat based on specialization. What a joke he gets 67 percent and schilling and Mussina are well behind.

i think Hoffman is HOF worthy, but i agree that his case is weaker than Schilling/Mussina.

Looking at him, his case is worse than I expected. Multiple flops on the big stage

Only lead the league in saves twice

6 all star games in 18 seasons. Not that ASG are the be all end all but this doesn't speak to dominance

But he does have a truck load of one saves.

But I don't know how to value saves of the one inning variety, particularly when the career record has been broken 4 times in the past 20 years

Closers are the new DH

 

[Annyong]

Roy Halladay showing off his 8th grade education on Twitter.

What did he say?

 

[Michael Brown]

Modern baseball intelligentsia love to say traditional benchmarks like 500 homers and 3000 hits are passé. Yet they reward hoffman for 600 saves in a time when the number is skewed and he melted down in almost every game he was in in the big stage. Saves are such an overvalued stat based on specialization. What a joke he gets 67 percent and schilling and Mussina are well behind.

I'm kinda torn on the idea of relievers in the Hall in the first place. My problem is that they're often in the bullpen only because they couldn't pitch well enough to help their team more as starters. No organization would use someone as a reliever if they were good enough to be even a #2 starter caliber, let alone a Hall of Famer. So for every reliever who will make it there's a ton of guys who possibly would have been even better at closing- in fact the limited evidence we get in the postseason suggests that all-star caliber starters are obscenely good as relievers- but never got a shot because they were too good as starters. Jordan Zimmermann ain't Hall of Fame bound as a starter, but if you tell him he's only got to throw one inning he sits 97 with a 91 mph slider and is unhittable. Doesn't seem right or fair.

This has been my position for years

 

[Michael Brown]

And Mariano is my second favorite player of all time, but I'm talking in general. I think you need to be a transcendent closer in order to get in. Guys like lee smith and Hoffman just don't do that for me