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*** Official 2016 College Football Thread *** (4 Viewers)

If NC State could make a 30 yard field goal Clemson wouldn't have been anywhere near the playoff even though they're the second best team. Probably need 8 teams.  No one is beating Alabama. 
I think I said it before in this thread, and others have too - that this year we don't even need a playoff to determine the best team.  We know.  Having 8 teams just gives another team a shot at the 1 in a million shot at beating Alabama, who is the obvious best team.

 
So glad we "had" to have THE Ohio State University in there without so much as an appearance in a conference title game to go embarass themselves... just the second shutout in the BCS bowl era, 1st shutout in Fiesta Bowl history.  PSU deserved this shot, no matter their checkered past.    Hopefully thats the end of teams bypassing a conference title into this game. 
Weird post. If anything giving more weight to arbitrary conference tiebreakers over having a far more impressive resume makes it MORE likely to have these embarrassing blowouts, not less.  Sure it didn't work out this time with OSU but there are exceptions to everything.  Overall taking teams with notably weaker resumes is going to lead to fewer competitive games, not more.   And it's not like PSU might not have lost just as badly if not worse.  After all they already have a 40 point blowout loss this season and it was to a team that's not as good as Clemson.

My objection is with the all over the map nature of the committee and  the precedent established, and I have nothing personal against Ohio state but the rules have been bent twice for them with respect to how we've traditionally digested football. 

They jumped 2 big 12 teams based on the fact they didn't play for a conference championship and the committee stressed a value in that.   However; the results at that time, them winning a national title, was used to justify the selection. 

So here we have a year where the conference championship was ignored and we were asked to put faith in the eye test. An eye test we ignored in terms of USC let's say and maybe Michigan.  But we can put faith in a team who beat Ohio state, won 8 in a row and their conference title so that Ohio state could be in. I think the results of this choice are fair game. 

Im no penn state homer and maybe they would have had more sympathy if they didn't have their checkered past but you wonder where this leaves things. 

When you are comparing teams across all of division 1 there should be at least some commonality of standards.  The only thing we have now is an unbeaten season in the power 5
It wasn't the eye test.  Ohio State had better wins, had fewer losses, and had better losses.  Ohio State beat more top 10 teams.  Their only loss was on the road at night to another top 10 team in a close game.  Penn State not only had more losses, each of those losses individually (a loss to an unranked team and a 40 point monster blowout loss) were significantly worse.  Conference title is a nice tiebreaker, but they weren't tied.  Their resumes weren't even comparable.

Trying to blame it on the Sandusky/Paterno thing is nuts.  Their resume was worse and it wasn't close.  Flip their names.  Flip their past.  Flip their "eye test".  Even with all of those reversed the team with the significantly better resume of actual play on the field is still getting in whether that team was named Ohio State or whether they were named Indiana.

As to the committee changing their mind as to what matters from year to year, that's built into the system as the committee changes.  This is known ahead of time.  It's not like PSU wasn't trying against Pitt or Michigan because they thought the committee wouldn't count those games, so who cares anyway?

 
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UW is likely the 8th-10th best team in the country.
I'm sorry, but I think this is silly. Not really surprising since I've had a higher opinion of UW than you all season.

Getting beat down by Bama doesn't really change my opinion because I think any of the other contenders for that four spot would have been beat down as well.

 
Pretty sure PSU could've gotten at least a FG off Clemson. They might've lost, but there's a good chance nobody's turning the game off at halftime.
Yeah, that team that lost by 40 earlier this year would never get blown out!

 
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I don't really think having a new committee every year justifies a total lack of consistency and ignoring of all precedent.

It's basically just sticking it in our faces that they're just going to make it up every year and retroactively justify their choices.

 
So, the same as duhOSU then? :coffee:  
Too lazy to scroll like 2 posts up?

To be fair, I guess "that reply wasn't fleshed out enough but I'm too lazy to read the fleshed out reply" makes sense from the guy saying "that team that lost by 40 would never lose by 30 or more".

 
I don't really think having a new committee every year justifies a total lack of consistency and ignoring of all precedent.

It's basically just sticking it in our faces that they're just going to make it up every year and retroactively justify their choices.
Does it matter though?  "Precedent" only matters to people arguing on internet forums.  It's not like players aren't trying in games that were deemed slightly less consequential by the committee the year before.

And who's to say precedents are changing anyways?  These situations are fluid.  PSU not getting in over OSU doesn't mean they're valuing conference titles any less now than they were before because their resumes outside of that aren't as close as the champion vs non-champion teams of year's past.  If this exact same situation had happened in 2014 it probably would have ended up the same.  It's just analysts latching onto sentences blabbed out in interviews that may or may not have been properly contextually portrayed.

Someone saying "conference championships matter" in 2014 doesn't necessarily mean that they mattered more in 2014 than they did in 2016, just that they were more relevant in 2014 than they were in 2016 because in 2014 there were so many teams with very similar resumes.  PSU and OSU don't have very similar resumes.  A tiebreaker was needed in 2014 that wasn't really needed this year.  Just because there was a 3-way tie in the SEC east that was determined by BCS rank a few years back doesn't mean that BCS rank "mattered more" in determining the SEC Champ that year, it just means that tiebreaker was more relevant that year, even if someone mischaracterizes it with the terminology of "mattered more".

 
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Hard to judge based on bowl games with a month to prepare or teams left out that get demotivated, but I still think the committee got this year right.

 
Too lazy to scroll like 2 posts up?

To be fair, I guess "that reply wasn't fleshed out enough but I'm too lazy to read the fleshed out reply" makes sense from the guy saying "that team that lost by 40 would never lose by 30 or more".
And that 40 point blow out was 3 months ago. 

 
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18394667/lane-kiffin-not-coach-offense-alabama-crimson-tide-title-game

On Thursday, Kiffin appeared 15 minutes late to the team's Peach Bowl media day and was the last Alabama coach to leave the event. By the time he got out of the Georgia Dome locker room to where the buses were supposed to be, they were already headed back to the team hotel in downtown Atlanta.

:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao:

guy is a petulant 12 year old. here's to hoping he crashes and burns at FAU then fades out of football completely.

 
mr. furley said:
http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/18394667/lane-kiffin-not-coach-offense-alabama-crimson-tide-title-game

On Thursday, Kiffin appeared 15 minutes late to the team's Peach Bowl media day and was the last Alabama coach to leave the event. By the time he got out of the Georgia Dome locker room to where the buses were supposed to be, they were already headed back to the team hotel in downtown Atlanta.

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guy is a petulant 12 year old. here's to hoping he crashes and burns at FAU then fades out of football completely.
Florida Atlantic - good thing coaching has nothing to do with managing people. Good luck with your new head coach:

" Kiffin said. 'I would say Sark manages people better than I do.'"

 
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Florida Atlantic - good thing coaching has nothing to do with managing people. Good luck with your new head coach:

" Kiffin said. 'I would say Sark manages people better than I do.'"
Sarkisian was an immature frat guy with a drinking problem when he as at UW, but he still has a far better handle on how things really work than Kiffin does.

 
Sarkisian was an immature frat guy with a drinking problem when he as at UW, but he still has a far better handle on how things really work than Kiffin does.
I honestly can't recall the Sark history.  Was it just the one incident at the boosters event, or was that the culmination of multiple things?

 
And no way Penn State gets shut out, very unlikely they get blown out vs Clemson.  I think those were 2 of the 4 best teams in the country last night.

 
And no way Penn State gets shut out, very unlikely they get blown out vs Clemson.  I think those were 2 of the 4 best teams in the country last night.
I'm just happy that the people who said PSU was going to get run out of the building had to drink a tall glass of S TFU.

 
:lmao:

Yes, big congrats to Penn State.  On their 3rd try, they finally got their first good loss of the season!  What an accomplishment.

 
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Yeah, definitely not a one time thing. 

He had multiple incidents, including some that have never been reported in the mainstream media.

I bear the guy no ill will. If anything, I am rooting for him to get his life back on track. Seeing somebody who seemingly had it all flush it away due to poor decisions and substance abuse is sad.

 
Yeah, definitely not a one time thing. 

He had multiple incidents, including some that have never been reported in the mainstream media.

I bear the guy no ill will. If anything, I am rooting for him to get his life back on track. Seeing somebody who seemingly had it all flush it away due to poor decisions and substance abuse is sad.
Yeah, I agree.  Sark was a guy like many of us who just loved to have a good time and was afforded that with time on the road, a huge expense account and a lifestyle that encourages guys to have fun and let it loose - so long as they win and that's what he did at UW after years of frustration.  It just caught up to him.  I would have loved to hang out with Sark for a night in his prime.  

I'd rather hang out with Pat Robertson than Lane F'n Kiffin.  

 
You should focus less on OSU. Penn State wasn't close to them. The issue was UW. 
I have no Particular issue with osu. Not a fan or hater of either school. 

The crux of my issue is not respecting the conference championship whatsoever. I'm saying you necessarily have to win for inclusion but I think you should have to play for it(I can see an accommodation for a team that loses a conference championship, an additional game, if they lose their qb or some circumstance like that). My issue is a team not adding to their resume in that final week. The teams that DO play do risk things. 

I'm supportive of teams that win something getting the benefit of playing on. 

 
I have no Particular issue with osu. Not a fan or hater of either school. 

The crux of my issue is not respecting the conference championship whatsoever. I'm saying you necessarily have to win for inclusion but I think you should have to play for it(I can see an accommodation for a team that loses a conference championship, an additional game, if they lose their qb or some circumstance like that). My issue is a team not adding to their resume in that final week. The teams that DO play do risk things. 

I'm supportive of teams that win something getting the benefit of playing on. 
Conference championship is just another game to evaluate. With these 14 team mega conferences/profit centers, the division winner not always the best team. Get used to it, it's 1985 anymore. 

 
Put OSU's resume on any other Power Conference team and they are also a shoe in to make it into the playoff. I don't get why people can't see this. That's why they were 3 and not 4. Obviously the regression continue to a point of being abyssmal against a veteran and deply talented Clemson team. Still, had the OSU offense even offered up a moderate semblance of a running game and made the two field goals we may be talking about a different game with the same outcome. I could make more excuses but I won't. The team, offensively, was vastly under prepared and JT Barrett is a subpar QB. I think when you look beyond who could have replaced OSU what team would have achieved a W over Clemson as of today?

 
My issue is a team not adding to their resume in that final week. The teams that DO play do risk things. 
They also get the advantage of adding things.  Without that extra game to get a good win against Wisconsin, PSU's argument is even worse (by a lot).  The same goes for Washington with that win over Colorado.  Regardless of the "conference championship" that came with them, those wins alone were things that propped them up into the discussion.  If the Pac-12 didn't have a conference championship game Washington still would have been Pac-12 champs, but without that Colorado win they might have missed the playoff.  That Colorado win (whether or not it was a "title game") was huge for their resume.

 
They also get the advantage of adding things.  Without that extra game to get a good win against Wisconsin, PSU's argument is even worse (by a lot).  The same goes for Washington with that win over Colorado.  Regardless of the "conference championship" that came with them, those wins alone were things that propped them up into the discussion.  If the Pac-12 didn't have a conference championship game Washington still would have been Pac-12 champs, but without that Colorado win they might have missed the playoff.  That Colorado win (whether or not it was a "title game") was huge for their resume.
^^ gets it

 
They also get the advantage of adding things.  Without that extra game to get a good win against Wisconsin, PSU's argument is even worse (by a lot).  The same goes for Washington with that win over Colorado.  Regardless of the "conference championship" that came with them, those wins alone were things that propped them up into the discussion.  If the Pac-12 didn't have a conference championship game Washington still would have been Pac-12 champs, but without that Colorado win they might have missed the playoff.  That Colorado win (whether or not it was a "title game") was huge for their resume.
Yes, that was the standard adhered to early in the playoff.  When the entire big 12 top echelon was left out for a osu team with a light resume, who lost their only significant OOC game to an under .500 VT team. Osu then was rewarded for adding to their resume.  

Which takes us to the sham nature of this. With respect to serving many masters of different conferences, which is why UW got in, they're going to move the goalposts to get historically powerful  teams where they want them. 

Id rather go back to the AP poll to be honest. 

 
Yes, that was the standard adhered to early in the playoff.  When the entire big 12 top echelon was left out for a osu team with a light resume, who lost their only significant OOC game to an under .500 VT team. Osu then was rewarded for adding to their resume.  

Which takes us to the sham nature of this. With respect to serving many masters of different conferences, which is why UW got in, they're going to move the goalposts to get historically powerful  teams where they want them. 

Id rather go back to the AP poll to be honest. 
This year, OSU had already beaten Wisc on the road at night.  PSU's conf champ victory over Wisc didn't even match that even though it certainly added something to their resume, which by the committee's own words was not close to OSU's resume.

In 2014, OSU added to their resume with a demolition of Wisc in the conf champ game.  They were not being compared and contrasted with a team from their own conference that had already beaten Wisc.

 
####### Kiffin came off as incredibly awkward on the Dan Patrick show yesterday. he's an awkward liar. 

and if he's to be believed then it sounds like Alabama broke rules about the number of coaches they can have on staff by having Sarkisian in a coaches box "helping" Kiffin during games. unless there's some loophole about allowing "consultants" assist in-game coaches. i don't follow college compliance rules closely enough to know.

apparently Lane believes roles will be reversed for the Championship game.. he'll be there helping Alabama because it's what Saban wants.

:shrug:

 
apparently Lane believes roles will be reversed for the Championship game.. he'll be there helping Alabama because it's what Saban wants.
Which prompted the question to Saban yesterday in his PC, where he answered that there no chance of Kiffin participating in any way with the team leading up to or during the final.  I don't know what the hell Lane is doing...but doesn't look like even super-agent Sexton is able to control his mouth.

 
Asked the question about "consultants" being in the coaches' box during game when the news broke a couple months ago.  I didn't see it answered here.  Did I miss it?

 

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