Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
yeah he didn't really pass the eye test to me. I think they likely add someone in the draft and if not I see Jones as no more than the first two downs guy with Thompson/Thomas types gobbling up over 50% of the backfield
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***Official*** 2016 Dynasty Value Assessment Thread (1 Viewer)
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Borden
Footballguy
Just looked at his game logs. Had a big week 2 (19/123/2) but in the other 12 games he played it looks pretty bad (125/367/1 and 2.9 ypc). I don't want to discredit the big game but he never really did anything after that 1 game. Even if you include the big game he has a 3.4 ypc. At that clip he'd need 295 carries to break 1000 yards.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Sanders, Decker, Agholor, Dorsett. He's undervalued because his floor is WR3 but is priced as a mid WR4. He is priced as a fluke at being relevant instead of a fluke at being a TD stud. He'll continue to be reliable hands for Wilson. He was a quality WR before 2015, just not in fantasy.
Borden
Footballguy
Baldwin is a tough guy to assess. TDs are a fairly random number and that's never what you want to rely on. However, he seem to be a solid target for Wilson and that offense might be trending towards more passing plays. What I'd think is a healthy projection for Baldwin is an uptick in catches and yards but about half the TDs. That would put him at 80-90 catches for 1100 -1250 yards and 7-8 TDs *This is on the optimistic side.* I'd like to have that on my team, however, unless you have an owner who thinks its a one year fluke than he has to justify selling a player who was a top 12 WR and had 14 TDs on an offense that might become more pass friendly this year.
Baldwins value might seem undervalued to the rest of league but I think most owners will be happy to keep him unless some comes up with a substantial offer.
On the negative side, last might have been a fluke and he ends up as a 70/800/5 kind of guy. He's 28 this year so it's not like he's still got physical maturing to do. I'd make offers on him with the expectation of 4 seasons of 80/1000/7.
Baldwins value might seem undervalued to the rest of league but I think most owners will be happy to keep him unless some comes up with a substantial offer.
On the negative side, last might have been a fluke and he ends up as a 70/800/5 kind of guy. He's 28 this year so it's not like he's still got physical maturing to do. I'd make offers on him with the expectation of 4 seasons of 80/1000/7.
memphis raines
Footballguy
What are the thoughts on Derek Carr's value?
Pwingles
Footballguy
I think he is easily a top 5-8 qb in dyno and trending upwards. That offense is getting better around him and if they get a few more solid role players to compliment cooper watch out
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biju
Footballguy
Agreed on trending upwards but top 8? I'm closer to top 12 but I own him in dynasty--perhaps I'm being too pessimistic on the Raiders?
Borden
Footballguy
Like Teddy, he's the perfect dynasty back up. Should be able to fill in if need be but ideally he's behind Brees/Ben/Rivers/Brady on your roster. Cooper bumps him up over Bridgewater. I wouldn't trade him for "fair" value. Just keep him and he will be there for you when he's developed.
Pwingles
Footballguy
For dynasty? Absolutely. Factor in age and his perceived ceiling, and he is more valuable long term than guys like brady, brees, rivers.
tiers for me look roughly like this;
luck rodgers cam
wilson carr bortles winston
rivers brady brees ben mariota
Stafford dalton tanny teddy cutler ryan smith fitz (and a tonnof others)
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
I have my doubts he can stay clean, think he's more of a head case than Gordon but not only would I pay a future second but I offered up current mid-seconds for him in 2 leagues, including our league but could not get an accept or any response for that matter.
Way I see it if if you took a comparable WR in round two the chances of him making an impact in year one is low and chances of him having Bryant's upside is low. So I'd be ok with the risk knowing if he can get back on the field in 2017 I know I got a stud.
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
I don't disagree, there is just no middle ground, you either win big or lose big and I'd rather make my gambles elsewhere. In that same league I sold Justin Blackmon a few years ago for a 3rd right after the suspension and everyone ripped me that I could have got more. Gordon is more talented but back then people liked Blackmon, he wasn't fat yet
If I wanted to buy in a league like FFPC I'd wait until September this time when everyone has to cut their roster back to 20, you might be able to buy cheaper then if they have another guy they want to keep
The thing I hate is even if he comes back, he is always that one mistake away from being worthless and once it happens you have no options
That's a pretty good point, also mitigates your risk to some extent because that's 6 months less of Bryant potentially messing up.
I've carried Gordon for 3 years on an FFPC team and it's certainly been no fun wasting that roster spot the greater part of the last two seasons.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
I think he's the perfect guy to move. He's overvalued due to youth at a position where youth offers only a far distant benefit. I would trade down for Stafford, Ryan, Tannehill, or others if I could gain a late 1st or a couple 2nds. I would trade up for Winston if I didn't have to give up a 1st. I would add a late 1st (this year) to trade up to Wilson or another top 4 QB.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Thoughts on Dion Lewis? How do you factor in return from injury, general bb madness, and Brady's suspension/age and their effect on the offense?
what is fleeners value at the moment?
what is fleeners value at the moment?
bostonfred
Footballguy
Lewis is more valuable to a team that's either a contender that's weak at rb, or a team on the cusp of rebuilding but has a couple core guys to rebuild around and wants to hit a home run or strike out. Theowner to get him from its a risk averse guy who likes to have his two top rbs and a safe boring backup.
I wouldn't trade my next year's first for him because I'd be afraid he gets hurt again and that's exactly when id want my next year's first.
He's worth a late first in this year's class to a contender, or a decent vet to a semi rebuilding team, like Demarco Murray or Forte. Some owners want more for Murray/Forte and some want less, I'm pretty ambivalent about which one I get if I'm just looking for a veteran to plug in my lineup for a year or two until he fails off the age cliff.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Appreciate the take. He looked special last year. When you consider that a late first has bust risk AND it could take a few years until you know what you've got, I think I prefer dion - where I'll know quickly whether or not he's the same player so that I can move on if he isn't.
Borden
Footballguy
Lewis - I don't deal with NE backs. The Hoodie is just too all over the place with them for me. I know I lose out on production but I'd rather let the other owners fight over that production.
Fleener - Oh boy, I'm not sure how to value him. He's currently a hold because by late August he's going to be insanely hyped. As for buying price, he's only going to go up in price so now is the time. This is a personal/team/situation/league decision.
Fleener - Oh boy, I'm not sure how to value him. He's currently a hold because by late August he's going to be insanely hyped. As for buying price, he's only going to go up in price so now is the time. This is a personal/team/situation/league decision.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Lewis is special and will do well when healthy. That's the problem though. "When healthy" applies to him as much or more than any other player in the league.
Borden
Footballguy
This is going to sound rude (because it's in the SP rather than just a couple of guys talking) but what makes Lewis special? Not saying this is just you either. His highest dynasty ranking on Fantasy Pros is the #6 RB. That's pretty high for a 26 year old coming off of injury.
Seems like he's a good receiving back but that's all. He only had double digit carries in Week 1 last year (he has 2 in is career). He's also been on like 3 teams or something. Just seems odd to call him special. It seems like he could just be another NE back that flashed in that system.
My caveat, and why I asked, is that I haven't watched him at all. I look forward to finding out more on him.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So you post that, yet have not watched him at all? Give me a ####### break. Go watch some highlights on him. Seriously.
If you come away from that NOT thinking he is special, we'll talk.
Is he a system guy? Sure, but since he is currently in that system, that is 100% fine. The dude is a fabulous receiving back and quick as balls in every imaginable way. In PPR he didn't need more than a few carries a game to be a top end scoring kind of guy week in and week out because his particular skill set is off the charts perfect playing in a Brady/BB system.
Problem is, as I said, he is rather injury prone. I was looking to move him in a league last year BEFORE his injury because I thought he was injury prone.
If you come away from that NOT thinking he is special, we'll talk.
Is he a system guy? Sure, but since he is currently in that system, that is 100% fine. The dude is a fabulous receiving back and quick as balls in every imaginable way. In PPR he didn't need more than a few carries a game to be a top end scoring kind of guy week in and week out because his particular skill set is off the charts perfect playing in a Brady/BB system.
Problem is, as I said, he is rather injury prone. I was looking to move him in a league last year BEFORE his injury because I thought he was injury prone.
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Borden
Footballguy
What is wrong with you? I my best not to devolve threads into personal feuds and stated right off the hop that I wasn't trying to be rude. I asked you why you thought Lewis was special. The only reason I brought up his stats were because outside of his catches, he doesn't have "special" stats. I even said that it wasn't just you that has him ranked high.
You come back swearing at me like some wannabe internet tough guy. Image the gull someone must have to try and discuss a fantasy football player on a fantasy football forum! Grow up and get over yourself.
Sorry to everyone else.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Sorry I hurt your feelings.
Did you go watch some ####### highlights yet?
by the way, ####### is "frikcign". Apparently that is a censored word here. So, I didn't actually swear at you.
Did you go watch some ####### highlights yet?
by the way, ####### is "frikcign". Apparently that is a censored word here. So, I didn't actually swear at you.
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mr roboto
Footballguy
Shut up. You're being an ### clown. Yes I swore at you. Cause you're being an ### clown.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I currently have him at 9, so not outrageous imo. Honestly from 5-12 are fairly interchangeable and come down to preference/upside.
bud29
Footballguy
He had a ridiculously high elusive rating on PFF before he got hurt last year, 119 is unheard of: https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2015/09/24/patriots-dion-lewis-owns-top-elusive-rating/
Run It Up
Footballguy
He didn't need a lot of carries. But even when he carried the ball he looked good. Also I think good is disingenuous when describing his receiving ability.
The reason he keeps getting compared to Barry Sanders is because thats what he looks like when he has the ball.
Breaking Misi's ankles
One handed catch on the run, avoids 4 tackles for TD
The reason he keeps getting compared to Barry Sanders is because thats what he looks like when he has the ball.
Breaking Misi's ankles
One handed catch on the run, avoids 4 tackles for TD
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Pwingles
Footballguy
I don't disagree that he is very good, or even potentially special. But where does the "injury prone" tag come from? All i could find on him was a broken leg and this years ACL. Hardly things i would chalk up to being injury prone, as well as the fact its two injuries in the span of 3 (although he was in the league for 5) years.ghostguy123 said:
I think its more likely he just didn't fit in anywhere, or maybe suffered from past teams and coaches not knowing how to utilize him. But I would hardly call him injury prone, right? Or were there injuries that I didnt find (which is a possibility)
Serious question tho, not being sarcastic
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He was stuck behind McCoy in Philly - and I'm not familiar with why he didn't stick as a backup.
He was looking great in the preseason with Cleveland and likely would have been a big part of Turner's offense but the late preseason broken leg kept him out all season. He spent a little time in Indy, but their GM is an idiot (so no wonder he didn't see any use for him and let him walk).
The "injury prone" label is one of the laziest and misused terms in fantasy football. There really isn't any such thing and it's generally just bad luck that players get injured. This is a violent game and at the running back position especially players are going to get hurt. Frankly when I watch a game I'm shocked more players don't get injured. Lewis will either get injured this season or he'll luckily make it through a season. These guys all keep themselves in tremendous shape and they are all world athletes - what would make some more susceptible to injury than others?
The only time I can see it being used properly to some extent are players whose style put them in more dangerous situations. Guys that run with reckless abandon and don't avoid contact (Murray, Ivory, Josh McCown, etc.).
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Well I would put him into the category of running style creating more opportunities for injury (straight ahead runner with poor lateral skills) - but I could also give in a little and agree with you based on his body proportions. He's a tall running back with fairly skinny legs which, combined with his straight ahead style, gives the defense more area to hit and his skinny legs would be more susceptible to injury.
ETA: Even given that he played a full season last year and had a few other years where he mostly stayed healthy.
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Pwingles
Footballguy
This is true, and more likely the cause of his early career injuries. I was more just trying to give an example of someone that the label would fit, and using that example to show how i dont think lewis fits the label.
Romo would be another guy Id call injury prone maybe
On Lewis and each of your points:
Return from injury- at worse limited early in season, think Todd Gurley last season. I have no medical information to back this up but while I think he'll return fine from the ACL I do admit non-contact ACL injuries tend to worry me more for the long term ability to hold up, probably permanent scars from Correll Buckhalter. Also factoring in he's already missed a season before due to injury and the first time in his career he gets meaningful steady work he started to get slowed down by abdominal/hernia? injury before his knee gave out. So with ACL advancements being what they are I don't see an issue returning effectively but a slow start or getting PUP'ed are highly possible and in general his injury risk is the highest red flag about him.
General BB madness- this is a misplaced notion which is helping keep his value down. He's more than Vereen, more than Faulk. At least a healthy version of Lewis. He's a better between the tackles runner than both of them, I think better after the catch anFad in general for fantasy he's what those guys were not which is consistent. I understand he only played 7 games and 2 were not good but one of those games he left early with the ACL(and earlier in that game dropped a long sure TD) and the other game he barely played with ab injury which lead him to sit out the next week. Forget the Vereen/Ridley/Blount/BB bias that has been scorched into your head the past few years, he's different.
Brady's suspension/age- If he gets suspended it's likely when Lewis is on PUP or working his way back so not so terrible. Brady has showed zero signs of slowing down, eventually and maybe soon he will but he's a long way from not being able to dink and dunk teams to death. His injury risks will grow as he gets older but not a huge worry to me.
If/when he's healthy he's a RB1, a top 10 PPR fantasy RB with top 5 upside and an automatic lineup start.
Fleener- i'm not going to spend much time talking him up and would prefer people keep a negative bias against him. I'm just going to say from a size/speed, ability to be available weekly and early statistical career angle he compares favorably to Greg Olsen. I view Olsen's fantasy breakout year as his second year in Carolina, when he was 28. Fleener will be 28 next season. Fleener will now play in the most TE friendly system in the NFL, a place where a 35 year old afterthought had a breakout year. And yes Fleener is going from one good QB to another but Ben Watson spent his prime years with Brady.
Riddick is the easy fantasy evaluation. 80 catches for a RB is a big pace to keep so maybe he falls a tad short but then again with no Calvin maybe it grows. All in all no reason to think anything will change for him, his role is his role. I don't know how to put a value on him but he's a nice guy to have on your team as a go to in pinch solid RB/flex but got to think he's more valuable on teams that stack WR's.
Abdullah is giant mystery. Looks fantastic to the eye test, stats when used were not bad and yet he was completely unusable for fantasy and not even because he was unpredictable, in fact he was predictably below average almost every week. Even in a DE format he gave you like a whopping two solid games all year. It's odd for a pedigreed back, who passes the eye test like he does and performs reasonably well when given a chance is so poor of a fantasy contributor. When he landed on the Lions I never worried about him starting or being a feature back. Figured with Joe Lombardi as OC they were running Saints system and he's get his share of work but I envisioned him something closer to a Pierre Thomas with juice. He got used more like early career Ingram which is to say a lot less in the passing game than I envisioned. When Cooter took over that did not change substantially. Not sure what to think of him but I know I would not want to rely on him or pay a big price to get him. I do like his talent but he's in a odd spot where he's a good receiver but Riddick hogs that role and he may not have the build/ball security to be a feature early down back. I think in short Riddick is killing his current value. If Abdullah got hurt Riddick would just continue to do Riddick things. If Riddick got hurt I think Abdullah would blow up.
Pwingles
Footballguy
I think this is accurate.
Year two sans mega will be hard to predict IMO. He could blow up with or without riddick in his way. Id be holding if i drafted him, but im not sure id be trying my attempt to buy low on a guy with huge upside strategy with him. The draft will also be a big deal for him. If they add a back early, it could be trouble for his snaps
Papa John's
Footballguy
The bottom line on the Ameer discussion is the Detroit O-Line. If they get a good line he will be a RB1 option, with a couple elite games each year. This is because he is tough enough to run between the tackles, but his "game" is at the second level. If he can consistently get to the second level, then his agility and lateral quickness will allow him to be elusive. If they can get a good, not great, O-Line in DET; then Ameer will break off 15-20 yard runs with consistency every game. Add that to his ability to catch, and even with Riddick there, 12-18 touches per game will make him an easy low end RB1.
steelers1080
Footballguy
Thoughts on some players previously mentioned:
- Mike Evans - Currently working with Winston to work on their rhythm and compatibility. Evans is trying to build a rapport with Winston and could blow up this year if they get a young WR to take away some of the coverage. BUY
- Yeldon - I think the Ivory signing is overblown. Reminds me of the Blount signing in PIT 2 years ago. Just because they signed a vet doesn't mean that Yeldon doesn't have long term value. Also, I think Yeldon is the bell cow and that Ivory is mostly the short yardage/goal line back and the back to spell Yeldon when he's tired. He played up to 60 snaps a game and they needed a #2 guy. BUY Cheap
- Carr - I'm suspicious of how well he'll do this year, but I think they get him some more targets and his #s could be legit. HOLD/SELL high
- DT - Without a set QB I'd sell now for whatever you can get.
- Tevin Coleman - Buy for pennies on the dollar! Freeman is a smaller RB who they didn't want to start until Coleman was hurt. They like TC and if Freeman goes down he'll be the every down back. He's a valuable handcuff especially if the large workload wears down Freeman.
- Matt Jones - Be Wary. It doesn't appear the Skins are fully sold on Matt Jones but he will be the #1 going into next year. They have him on a short leash though and a couple of fumbles could have him benched. He recognized last year that he runs too high and needs to get his pads lower, this could decrease his fumbles and increase his YAC if he can correct it. HOLD/SELL high
- Josh Gordon - Could be very interesting if he gets reinstated and stays with the Browns. He was RG3's go-to guy at Baylor. If they get teamed up again he could see a ridiculous amount of targets. I bought last year for a 3rd round pick shortly after his year suspension. Not sure what his value is now.
- Bridgewater - Will never be more than a mediocre bye-week fill in.
- RGIII - Hue Jackson made Dalton a top 5 fantasy QB, could it happen to RG3? No, probably not, but he costs a meager pittance so it might be worth a gamble if you have an open spot. BUY if crazy cheap
- Jeremy Langford - His value is possibly the highest it will ever be. He's the #1 guy in Chicago at the moment and he did well when Forte was out last year. He put up some great fantasy points and has lots of buzz going into this year. The bad? He had a horrible yards per carry average and scored mostly off long passes which are hard to replicate. Also, Chicago has been actively courting other RBs so it's likely they bring in a #2 to share carries/catches. He could be great, but he could be set up for a big fall. I'm trying to SELL high at the moment.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
While it may not affect Yeldon's long term value, I think it makes a bigger impact for at least this season than you're alluding to. Ivory was signed to a very big contract while Blount was clearly a depth signing. Also Le'Veon Bell is/was far better than Yeldon and frankly Ivory looked much better than Yeldon did last season (albeit under different circumstances).
Pwingles
Footballguy
This. I think at best theyre trying to light a fire under Yeldon. At worst, they've sort of made up their mind as to what he is capable of and brought in a guy to do all the other things, making it most likely a 50/50 time share.
Also, @steelers1080
Not sure i totally agree with selling DT for whatever you can get. I think he is still valuable, and currently being undervalued even if his qb situation isnt great. Not to say he doesnt have a price, and that I wouldnt sell as an owner, just that im not looking for any old offer
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Everyone has the image of Thomas looking bad in the playoffs on their minds. The guy caught 105 passes for 1,304 yards and 6 TDs last season. If people are down on their quarterback situation, I ask: Does anyone think Mark Sanchez is that much worse than the 2015 version of Peyton Manning? Honestly Thomas upgraded his QB this offseason as strange as that may sound.
Andrew74
Footballguy
I agree with Dr. O. Despite the dog crap at QB, DT ended 2015 as WR14 in both my 0.5 PPR and standard leagues. He's a long way from the top 5 stud he used to be, but I'm not going to sell for whatever.
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I actually think a lot of it reminds me of the Blount overreaction as well.
Ivory was signed to a bigger contract than Blount but it should not really be looked at like a $30million dollar deal but a 2 year $12.5 million dollar deal, which to be fair is about 3 times what Blount signed for 2 years. But, the salary cap is higher and the Jags had and still have money to burn while Steelers are always cap strapped so should be looked at in some relative terms.
Also if you we are talking about how Bell looked as a rookie versus how Yeldon looked as a rookie I don't think Bell did look better. Now Bell took a huge second year leap and I'm not saying Yeldon was/is on track to do the same but rookie year Bell just did not look better to me than rookie year Yeldon. Very similar looking players to me but I thought Yeldon looked better. ETA-as a runner only is what I meant and only comping rookie years.
For what it's worth the Jags beat writers I follow are predicting Yeldon as the breakout player for the team next season. I think Ivory is going to get in the way more than Blount did, but a lot of the situation is similar to me and why I think Yeldon is a good buy low.
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Agree and think getting in better shape would be huge for Evans but when a 22 year old second year goes for over 1200 yards with a 21 year old rookie throwing him the ball and most people, me included, think he left a lot on the table that sure sounds pretty enticing to me.
I commented on this one already and said a lot of things remind me of Blount signing as well but I still think the plan is to give Ivory more work than Blount got. The reality is both of these RB's have been nicked a lot and things will probably work themselves out in that manner but I do think Ivory stings Yeldons short term value a bit but not enough to bury him and should have no negative long term impact. A good buy low to me.
He's a gunslinger with a live arm so plenty to like. Positive is I think Cooper was a shell of himself due to his foot for chunk of back half of the season and Walford should be ready to take on a bigger role. Downside is the defense should be much improved and I don't sense they are that pleased with Latavius and might go RB early, all in all I can see less passing attempts.
I like Carr but I'm rating the first and second year emerging QB's: Bortles, Mariotta, Winston, Teddy B, and Carr for fantasy I'm putting Carr 4th on that list, not sure in real life but 4th or 5th.
Tough nut to figure out. To young to fall off a cliff but that's what it looked like he did. Could it have been emotional toll related to dealing with his mom getting released from prison and tending to her needs? I think he was quoted as saying something about all the hits he has taken as starting to wear him down a little. Between that and QB issues a few reasons for concern but the problem is everyone seems to have same fears. If right deal comes along yes I'd move him but not a for whatever I can get. I'd rather hang on and hope for rebound than sale low and even saying a 100/1300 guy needs a rebound is kind of stupid but you know what I mean.
If Freeman does not take longer to get his hamstring healed he could have won the job in camp. If Coleman does get his ribs cracked in week 2 I don't think the Freeman breakout ever happens. Things can change in a hurry but fact is Freeman did break out, Coleman should earn more carries but this is not a RBBC, but agree Coleman is a valuable handcuff and someone I roster on teams in FFPC(small roster leagues) even on teams I don't own Freeman.
He blew last year but for some reason, and I think it's the trust I have in Scott Mcloughlan(sp?) I think he rebounds. Fact Skins showed zero interest in Alf or seemingly any RB in FA is a nice sign for him. Sure they'll draft someone and but I only see 4 RB's in this draft with potential to go as high as second round so chances of him getting Gurley'ed or something is not huge, more likely he'll face some solid comp.
He'll be interesting if he gets reinstated period. Browns, not on the Browns, wherever. He's a stud but the layoff has got to hurt him some at least early on. Where is his value now? I've got a few picks in 5-6 range and I'd not deal those for him, at least not right now. I've got a few picks in 11-12 range and I'd give that up for him right now with no hesitation.
My feelings precisely. Solid real life QB however.
I feel like no QB is more helped, for fantasy purposes, than Dalton. Green and Eifert are big time TD guys and even Jones hit double digits and when Green got hurt the season before last Dalton really took a hit(though to be fair he lost a lot more than Green). I do put a lot of trust in Hue, just saying Dalton had things going for him that RG3 won't but I do trust Hue to try and use RGIII to his strengths and not make him something he's not. How effective RGIII will be to me I think will depend on how well he can run and if Hue can help restore his confidence. One good thing going for RGIII is he was a fantasy stud his rookie year without a ton of receiving options.
I've been preaching to sale him all off-season but he did survive FA and like I mentioned with Matt Jones not a ton of RB's I project as high picks and only one who would not make it a competition. That being said I'm not a huge fan, think he's staring at a RBBC and I'd try and sale if I could get decent value which for me is any first this year or next.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Generally I agree with this sentiment, but not for Lewis.
For example, if some 6 foot tall 100 pound weakling was playing RB, he is going to get hurt because he is injury prone in the sense that playing NFL football is going to get him injured. Extreme example sure, but compared to other NFL players I view Lewis as someone who will constantly get hurt. His style and body, IMO, just looks like a guy waiting to get hurt in the NFL. And of course, he is always getting hurt. Even before getting to Cleveland. I think he is more prone to the serious types of injuries than most if not all other RBs.
Am I wrong? Am I an idiot and just fooling myself by a phantom injury prone label that I gave him out of thin air? Maybe.
I think Lewis is a special talent in the perfect system, but I value him a lot lower than where he is ranked. I own him in one league and will be looking to move him. I think he might not come back 100% from his injury (as in, I think he will recover fine but maybe not get back to the same physical ability he had due to a layoff and aging), and I also think he will keep getting hurt.
So, if that means I am lazy that is fine. I cna understand they this thought process wouldnt make sense to most people.
Run It Up
Footballguy
I think due to two season ending injuries in a limited playing time along with other nagging injuries is enough for me to g to consider him injury prone or at least a high injury risk until proven otherwise but I don't share you opinion that it has anything to do with his body makeup, he's short but he's not a twig. I know for sure his ACL injury had zero to do with size so I see nothing in his physical build which leads me to think he's more prone to injury.
I also can't figure out why you would think he can't come back 100% from an ACL when it's pretty common place these days and he has no more layoff than any player coming off an ACL injury and he's still 25 so for the life of me can't see how his age is going to keep him from returning to full health. I don't even have concerns with Jamal Charles and he's much older and on his second ACL. It's not a patella tendon or something.
