Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Hes not a system fit anymore but it made me "LOL" when I read that he was cutEagles cut Brandon Bair
Ok, this is getting a little funny to me now
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums
This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!
*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)
- Thread starter Deamon
- Start date
The more we speculate how this draft will play out, the more I love that 8th pick.
Dream Picks that won't fall to us:
1 Tunsil
2 Ramsey
Guys that aren't really our top need positions, but we take for sure if they fall to us:
3 Buckner
4 Jack
5 Bosa
Players for sure gone before we pick:
6 (the better of Goff/Wentz. At least one of them goes top 7)
Legit Targets. Only 1 of these guys likely gone before we pick:
Stanley
The other Goff/Wentz QB
Elliot
Hargreaves
Treadwell
We could have gotten one of these guys at 13 too I guess. Wonder if a trade-back could be in the works to pick up an extra 2nd. Even if the Giants/Bears/Saints saw someone they liked and wanted to jump to us, we could still get one of those 5 on the list. After Stanley I don't have any huge preference for the other 4 anyways.
EDT: Howie said that there was a clear 10 guys that they coveted so to get a chance to get one of them was huge. A trade back might not be in the books.
Dream Picks that won't fall to us:
1 Tunsil
2 Ramsey
Guys that aren't really our top need positions, but we take for sure if they fall to us:
3 Buckner
4 Jack
5 Bosa
Players for sure gone before we pick:
6 (the better of Goff/Wentz. At least one of them goes top 7)
Legit Targets. Only 1 of these guys likely gone before we pick:
Stanley
The other Goff/Wentz QB
Elliot
Hargreaves
Treadwell
We could have gotten one of these guys at 13 too I guess. Wonder if a trade-back could be in the works to pick up an extra 2nd. Even if the Giants/Bears/Saints saw someone they liked and wanted to jump to us, we could still get one of those 5 on the list. After Stanley I don't have any huge preference for the other 4 anyways.
EDT: Howie said that there was a clear 10 guys that they coveted so to get a chance to get one of them was huge. A trade back might not be in the books.
Last edited by a moderator:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Im personally not a fan of CB's if they can't run. He's the one I want them nowhere near.
Buckner is a 3-4 DE, I'd doubt he's even on our board
Why no Lawson?
Ya I didn't think about that with Buckner, you're probably right. Also he's a Duck. Would be blown away if Howie drafted a Duck in the 1st... or at all. He is a lock to go top 8 probably though, so that will help us out.
Don't love Lawson at 8. He seems to be going 10-15 (seen him mocked even later then that) so I am not blown away having him at 8. If we trade back, sure. Hargraeves was a fringe guy for me too, I just think we need another starting CB.
Bosa or Jack slips and we have to jump on them IMO. But if it goes as planned, then Stanley or Elliot is the guy I'd want. Or a trade back.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
If the reports are true about Elliott's pro-day he may not even make it to our pick.
Last edited by a moderator:
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Patrick RobinsonBigboy10182000 said:
Leon Hall
Casey Hayward
Jerraud Powers
Brandon Boykin
Nolan Carroll
Last edited by a moderator:
Insein
Footballguy
It's good and bad. Good that the Cowboys use such a high pick on a RB. Bad because Zeke is going to be really good for 2-4 years.
Ya I don't want the Cowboys anywhere near him. It seems like an obvious choice though.
Only plus side is, if they take him, that likely means 1 of Stanley, Jack, Bosa slips to 8 (Tunsil, Wentz, Ramsay, Zeke, Bosa, Stanley/Jack, Goff, then us)
babydemon90
Footballguy
I think they're hoping for Carroll as our #2 (#1? Don't think Rowe is quite ready for that, although they'd probably go for a 'side of the field' thing).
Not many "True' #1 option out there, I think we may be hoping for a quick pressure type scheme, overplay the passr ush and hope the LB's can keep up if they run. Wouldn't mind a vet MLB signing too for depth, we saw last year that it can be needed...
Not many "True' #1 option out there, I think we may be hoping for a quick pressure type scheme, overplay the passr ush and hope the LB's can keep up if they run. Wouldn't mind a vet MLB signing too for depth, we saw last year that it can be needed...
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Like many in here, I am still hoping for a couple of low-cost signings. The Eagles could use some veteran depth at several positions - especially CB, WR, LB, and DL - and there is still some decent talent available. But even with free agency hitting the discount phase, I worry that Howie may not have any other moves planned. They've got about $17m left on the cap, and they'll need 7-8m of that to sign draft picks. The rest may well be earmarked for Fletcher Cox. Hoping that there's still some wiggle room to be created by restructuring a contract or two. (I'm looking at you Sproles, and maybe Barwin too.)
Last edited by a moderator:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
If the reports about what Schwartz wants in a CB are true I cant see Carrol even being an option and we may have to rely on a late round rookie getting a lot of PT. There's always later cuts and possible a trade though
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Yeah, the book on Schwartz is he wants fast corners, period. Nolan Carroll is no burner.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
There's a fair chance that Hargreaves will be there at number 8, so that could be part of the plan.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Not big on taking him at 8. Would love to trade back to around 10 or 11 and nab an extra 3rd rounder if Bosa or Jack don't fall to us.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
My buddy is hearing a lot of rumblings that Balt is pretty sold on Stanley at their pick (again though, grain of salt) so if Stanley and Zeke goes into the top 8, where most mocks don't yet have them at, someone is falling. Probably not Bosa, but maybe Jack?
That would be insane if we got Jack at 5. Hoping that Kap doesn't go to Cleveland as we want them to take a QB. It sounds like probably one will take a QB though. So we have:
Tunsill
QB
Ramsey
Zeke
Bosa
Stanley
QB
Jack???
I'm hoping that of that list, Zeke isn't the only one left when we make our pick. 8's a pretty awesome spot if Cleve and SF both take QBs. Let's hope for Kap to Denver.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Last edited by a moderator:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Stanly makes a while lot of sense for Baltimore too. It's odd that a LT like him hadn't been mocked into the top 6 IMO
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I think so too, Flacco got killed last year. Like I said though, grain of salt since he doesn't work in Balt, just hearing scuttlebutt.
*edit* I'm guessing his stock might go up after his pro day too.
Last edited by a moderator:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I think Stanley and Lawson both go much earlier than expected. Tackles and pass-rushers always do.
Given our position at 8 I think we're in one of the better spots of the draft. We won't have to reach for any position since we have a lot of needs and should be able to land a really talented player.
Given our position at 8 I think we're in one of the better spots of the draft. We won't have to reach for any position since we have a lot of needs and should be able to land a really talented player.
Insein
Footballguy
Well someone is going to fall unless the top 7 go exactly as planned and Zeke stays on the board. We really need to hope Cleve/SF take QB's and then all we need is just ONE team to reach on a player or to take a Lawson/Treadwell/Zeke/Buckner and that means one of Bosa/Stanley/Jack is ours. That would be so exciting. Need Kap to Denver.
One of the QBs sure would be tempting there though if they look good and we have a shot at one at 8. Would be a mess though as discussed above.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Hargreaves will be there at 8 for sure. He'd probably be there around 18 too. He doesn't belong in the top 8 discussion IMO
I can't see a scanerio where Bosa falls to 8 either.
I can't see a scanerio where Bosa falls to 8 either.
Last edited by a moderator:
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Ideally we need a big time skill player. Either WR, RB or QB.
There's too much overthinking with the QB's too. If there is a "stud" in Goff or Wentz you have to take them or move up a couple picks to make it happen.
Would anyone be mad with our first 3 picks being Wentz/Goff, RB and WR?
There's too much overthinking with the QB's too. If there is a "stud" in Goff or Wentz you have to take them or move up a couple picks to make it happen.
Would anyone be mad with our first 3 picks being Wentz/Goff, RB and WR?
I think we need a CB badly and maybe another DE though. Let's make this Defense top 5!
I think there's no chance we move up for a QB. Goff/Wentz WILL be there at 6 for us to move up, but we would have to give up more then a 3rd rounder probably to do it. Those 3rds are far too valuable. I'm warming to the idea of taking one of them if they fall to 8, but a move up when we already have Sam/Chase seems silly.
Also, if neither QB is going to be there by our 8th pick, that means an incredible player like Jack/Bosa/Stanley likely will fall into our lap. Can't pass up that value.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
We are a lot of players away, on both sides of the ball.
A few months ago you said there was no chance Goff would be available to us. Things change. Even if it did cost us a 3 the reward is far greater than the risk. I like Sam and don't know anything about Chase but the money says both can be gone after this season. We're in striking distance for a possible franchise QB. There is a very god chance we go get one
But that's the thing... It will likely cost more then just a 3 to move up above SF. They will also likely be trying to move up if they hear we are. What three players would you rather: Stanley+3rd round RB (when we have 2 potential starting QBs) or Goff. It would blow me away if we gave up a 3rd to move up 2 spots and take a QB given our situation. Especially when like you say, we are a lot of players away on both sides of the ball. The only way we take a QB is if Kap goes to Cleve and they don't take one, and Goff/Wentz both look good and slip to 7/8.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Was this already posted?
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/13/howie-roseman-philadelphia-eagles-nfl-free-agency
It is a complimentary view of my pal Howie. I think the guy is a snake, and I'm interested to see if he stands by the coach when things get rough.
http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2016/03/13/howie-roseman-philadelphia-eagles-nfl-free-agency
It is a complimentary view of my pal Howie. I think the guy is a snake, and I'm interested to see if he stands by the coach when things get rough.
Insein
Footballguy
Why wouldn't he? Chip ousted him after Howie brought him in and Lurie axed Chip when the situation was untenable. That was personal. Lurie has final say on Pederson and with him being an Andy disciple, I expect him to be here the full time. Not sure where you're getting this notion that Howie will fire a coach early. He's never actually fired any coach since he's been GM.
oldmanhawkins
Footballguy
Look at Howie's track record. GM since 2010. Got Banner fired. Reid, Gamble, Marynowitz were all ousted and I suspect Howie had various degrees of involvement in each. He publicly fought with Kelly over personnel moves. Oh, and they've had zero playoff wins since he's been GM. You can place the blame wherever you want for these underachieving Eagles teams - but don't you think its a bit odd that Roseman doesn't catch any heat for it?Insein said:
Plus I'm still bitter about the trade up for Brandon Graham with Earl still on the board.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Neither one of our QB's would be considered a franchise QB. IMHO, it's this simple-- Do you want a franchise QB? Do you think the Eagles do?Deamon said:
I don't know what it will cost to move up...a 3 may be enough....maybe a 3 and a 4? We just moved up 5 spots and what did that cost us? We cant keep putting off that position though, I know that much. I like Sam and all but I just follow the money. The money we gave these QB's says that QB is very much on the table and it should be...you cant let a 3 and a 4 stand in between us and a franchise QB
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Cause maybe he didn't do any of what you suggested?
Chip got Chip and Marynowitz fired
Reid's record didn't help himself keep his job
Who knows with Banner and Gamble, and honestly who cares?
And you're overstating things a bit by saying he was the GM since 2010, its misleading
Again, I wouldn't give up a 3 and a 4 to move up a couple spots when we already have 25 mil a year invested in a QB. If one falls to them, and they really like him, I think it's possible ya. But we are in no position to move up right now. We may not have to if Cleve gets Kap, but at this point I'm cheering for 2 QBs being gone by #8 so that we get Stanley/Bosa/Jack at 8. Now THAT would be a huge steal.
I think it's hard to completely ignore EVERYTHING about Howie though. Is some/maybe most of the things overblown? Sure. But where there's smoke there's fire.
I personally believe that Howie is probably tough to work with and very stubborn. A "its going to go my way" kind of guy that doesn't like other people interfering. Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily. I personally LOVE what he's done and am happy he's in charge regardless of the above.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Actually we are in the perfect position to move up. In fact, since we got rid of McNabb we have never been in a better position to get a top QB than we are right now. I think our team is more QB starved than you're willing to admit. I'm not going to be mad if we get anyone you mentioned but I have embraced the thought of us getting a QB. We don't know how much we like any of them but we have a new coach who may want his franchise QB, a hungry GM, picks to get it done, QB's on 1-years contracts (one is injury prone) and a need. IMHO theres plenty of evidence to suggest we are taking a pretty good look. A lot better than "no chance" IMO
But you don't even know remotely if Howie has ANY interest in Wentz or Goff. What if he only likes one of them and they get chosen? With an incredibly stacked top 7 picks of the draft, why would any team trade with us if they could get a Bosa/Stanley/Jack type player that they love? The stars need to align for us to trade up... by finding someone who wants out of those picks, having enough to satisfy them, Howie and Doug both REALLY believing in one of those QBs, and that QB NOT going #2.... or SF not trading up. The likelihood of all those things happening is rare and probably much less then 50%. So I don't think it's a reality that we're going to trade up for a QB.
If one drops to 8 that we love then okay... less stars need to align there and go for it. But I am loving this defense, and with Brandon and Stanley added to our Oline, I think we can be a 9+ win playoff team. Would much rather that then have a rookie QB not even dress each week, get no practice reps, and have a way worse offensive line and running game (if we take rb round 3).
Insein
Footballguy
If you're looking for Earl Thomas bitter club, then you've met the founder. However, all blame can be squarely placed for that debacle on one Andrew Reid. He ran the show those days. In fact it was 2010 and 2011's draft classes that lost his final say on personnel to Howie in 2012. Howie was the GM same way Tom Heckert was for his 4 years in 10 and 11. I'd say 2012 was a pretty decent draft.
Howie seems to be a guy who defers to his coaches. He got what Chip wanted in 13-14 and as I mentioned, 10-11 it was whatever Andy wanted. 2012 is the only year we got to see Howie on his own.
With all that said, this is Howie's show now. So he'll get all the blame if he messed it up.
I think he's an absolute Genius with the cap and trades, but probably doesn't get along well with others who try to tell him what to do. My ONLY concern with him is how his drafting ability is. Too small of a sample size to know right now after one draft. But this year's draft will be very telling.
Similar threads
