Insein
Footballguy
Exactly. No GM bats 1.000 but he's had a decent hit pct. So we will definitely see his thought process after this one. There's one thing that's a guarantee though. He has a plan and is very flexible to move up or down at any time.
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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I did preface what I said with "We don't know how much we like any of them". There's a lot that has to be done but all of what you mentioned seems doable.
You're higher on the D than I am too. I expect them to improve but there are a lot of question marks on our D. Who's our 2 and 3 CB? I don't even know who plays what spot at LBer...Kendricks, HIcks and who? Can Barwin be a DE? Can Curry play all 16? Can Logan play in this scheme? I expect them to improve but we need more on that side of the ball
Our odds are better getting a rookie franchise QB than they are at building an elite, SB defense as it stands right now.
Doable? yes. Likely? no. Gotta be less then a 50% chance so it's not really Howie's decision if we draft a QB at 5/6 or not this year.
Yes our defense is confusing. Give me Bosa/Jack at 8 and a CB at 77 and OL at 79 all day.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Likely and doable
Howie is on a mission this year.Better chance at a QB than Bosa. I'd love Jack though and I have to have Alex Collins in our RB mix
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
My buddy was a big time fan of Graham when he scouted with the Eagles. To this day he argues that, had Graham not been hurt, he'd be worth the pick. They just had both players rated similarly and thought the DE was the more important position to go with.
Well I guess we'll see. You actually think there's a better then 50 percent chance that a team wants to trade down 2 spots for a 3rd and SF doesn't offer more and the qb we love slips down there? That's totally unreasonable. It's not happening, time to forget about that.Likely and doable
Better chance at a QB than Bosa. I'd love Jack though and I have to have Alex Collins in our RB mix
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I'd say its about 50%...Its 2 spots...we have two 3rd round picks, a very early 4th (second in the round) and two 5th round picks
I actually just talked myself into moving it to around 60%
SF needs EVERYTHING....I'm not exaggerating, its everything. They will sit and pick. SF will go back before forward IMO.
The fact that you actually think we're going to trade UP in the draft for a QB this year is nuts. Usually you've got a decent sense of whats going on but I have to respectfully say you're way off here. 60% chance we signed 2 qbs to big contracts yet give up our 2nd pick just to move up 2 spots and take a QB that we may not even like? If you think SF stays and doesn't pick a qb then we should just stay and take a qb at 8 then.I'd say its about 50%...Its 2 spots...we have two 3rd round picks, a very early 4th (second in the round) and two 5th round picks
I actually just talked myself into moving it to around 60%
SF needs EVERYTHING....I'm not exaggerating, its everything. They will sit and pick. SF will go back before forward IMO.
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I don't think there's any chance of them taking a 1st rd qb.
The more i think about it, the more i think Zeke is their pick. I don't agree with it, but i truly believe it right now.
I think it's going to be Zeke too if the draft falls exactly like it 'should'. But I don't think the top 7 that everyone thinks are going to be the exact top 7 in real life. There will be one wild card in there, leaving us with stanley/bosa/jack. That would be fantastic.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Right now I would peg it as 60/40 we go get one. Right now.
Ive outlined, in pretty decent detail, why I believe we will. We want a QB IMO and I can't deny the evidence. Sorry but the deal Bradford got sold me on the possibility
What I believe SF will do and what they actually do may not be the same. They seem to need much more than us. Teams like that usually prefer quantity.
You will hear about us trying to move up if we can't
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
You're exactly right. Not all the colleges have had their pro days either. There will always be one of those work out warrior guys who will go too high. Just hope the Eagles aren't the ones suckered into the hype.
Saint
Footballguy
Switch gears for a moment.
I'm working on framing a throwback jersey and I am trying to find some authentic 80s throwback patches where the embroidery doesn't look like crap. Anyone know where I can find some to acquire? I hit the usual websites, but the quality looks bad. I wrote a note into Mitchell & Ness, as well as the Eagles shop,but figured I would ask. Thee are the logos with the flying eagle looking toward the left. If anyone knows a place, I'd be forever grateful as they will look fantastic in the frame with my Cunningham jersey.
I'm working on framing a throwback jersey and I am trying to find some authentic 80s throwback patches where the embroidery doesn't look like crap. Anyone know where I can find some to acquire? I hit the usual websites, but the quality looks bad. I wrote a note into Mitchell & Ness, as well as the Eagles shop,but figured I would ask. Thee are the logos with the flying eagle looking toward the left. If anyone knows a place, I'd be forever grateful as they will look fantastic in the frame with my Cunningham jersey.
Ash
Footballguy
That was Andy, his call in those days.
I blame Howie for Marcus Smith, but he also traded up for Fletcher Cox, and that was a home run. 2013 was pretty solid too although Chip had some influence there, though who knows how much since Chip & Davis clearly had no use for Smith and Howie took him anyway. Probably have to give Howie at least most of the credit for 2013 too.
Ash
Footballguy
Ugh. If we draft a RB in the Top 10 he *better* be an AP level player. Such a waste of a pick otherwise. Would much prefer a QB, OT, DE, CB or even a DT. Logan was a good NT but who knows if his game will translate? With what I expect Cox to get paid, they'll probably have to keep rolling through guys on rookie contracts beside him too, to keep the $$ for the position in balance. Even if Logan does play well, they might choose to let him go. The Ravens are a good model for this, you have to choose wisely who you pay.
This high in the draft BPA discipline is the key to getting it right.
I will be pi**ed if we take a QB at 8. Experts all say that this is a weak quarterback class and no one jumps out as being special. If QB was the plan, why waste 7 million per year on Daniel?
Ideally, I'd like to see Stanley fall to us. If Hargreaves is truly special, that would be a great pick too. There are so many positions where we need help. Howie is way too smart to roll the dice on an iffy QB project.
Ideally, I'd like to see Stanley fall to us. If Hargreaves is truly special, that would be a great pick too. There are so many positions where we need help. Howie is way too smart to roll the dice on an iffy QB project.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
Just the fact that they were (maybe still are) trying to deal away their whole backfield. That tells me they have a plan in place for someone else.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Howie strikes me as an analytics type that seemingly devalues the financial and draft pick commitment to RBs. Murray's contract probably gave him the shakes everytime he looked at its cap ramifications. Add in the malcontent factor being handed to a new coach, Murray was a goner from day 1 of the Howie Resurrection. A 3rd/4th rd RB behind Mathews and Sproles for one year seems likely to me, and there is nice depth in the draft at the RB position after teams gorge themselves on OL/DL talent in the first 2 rounds.
To me Wentz is the only QB possibility at 8. He has everything physically and apparently mentally that you would want in a QB. Only issue seems to be level of competition. Main issue is that he's a 3 year project before you see a return on his investment. Year 1 he sits and learns but gets very little practice reps as the #3. Year 2 either Bradford or Daniel are gone, the other remains the starter and Wentz moves into the backup slot. With the exception of injury, under that scenario it would be in year 3 that Wentz possibly takes the field. Do you really want to wait 3-4 years before seeing the ROI with the #8 pick in this draft?
Looking at this draft, it's easier to say who I don't want at 8. Goff, Buckner, Hargreaves are the 3 I have zero interest in that high. They just don't strike me as players with special, elite ability. Tunsil, Elliot, Ramsey, Jack, Bosa, Stanley on the other hand do. Even a Lawson might be in play as an elite pass rusher. I've heard rumblings that some think he may end up being the best player in this draft when all is said and done.
To me Wentz is the only QB possibility at 8. He has everything physically and apparently mentally that you would want in a QB. Only issue seems to be level of competition. Main issue is that he's a 3 year project before you see a return on his investment. Year 1 he sits and learns but gets very little practice reps as the #3. Year 2 either Bradford or Daniel are gone, the other remains the starter and Wentz moves into the backup slot. With the exception of injury, under that scenario it would be in year 3 that Wentz possibly takes the field. Do you really want to wait 3-4 years before seeing the ROI with the #8 pick in this draft?
Looking at this draft, it's easier to say who I don't want at 8. Goff, Buckner, Hargreaves are the 3 I have zero interest in that high. They just don't strike me as players with special, elite ability. Tunsil, Elliot, Ramsey, Jack, Bosa, Stanley on the other hand do. Even a Lawson might be in play as an elite pass rusher. I've heard rumblings that some think he may end up being the best player in this draft when all is said and done.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
Anyone holding out hope that the Eagles would sign WR Andre Holmes (probably just me), never mind. He re-signed with Oakland for 1 year $3m. Apparently they never really had much interest. Not like he's anything special, but I would have preferred him over Josh Huff this year.
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Appears to be correct.
Carrol will likely battle McKelvin for the other starting spot opposite of Rowe. Could also be used in the slot. Would still like to see us have one more CB in the early rounds of the draft (hopefully in the 3rd)
EDT: #Eagles CBs: Eric Rowe, Nolan Carroll, Leodis McKelvin, Ron Brooks, Jaylen Watkins, Denzel Rice, JaCorey Shepherd, Randall Evans, A. Grymes.
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Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
Seems like pretty good depth, but we really need someone who is better than all of those guys. This makes me think that they are going CB in the draft, since they did more with the OL in FA (stud-wise).
Yes and no. We can't suddenly be awesome at every single position on the field. We look really strong at S, and on the DL. Even at LB it's fairly strong. I'm okay with Carrol/Rowe if we have two fantastic safeties. Carrol was pretty much our best CB last year. I'd like another but probably in the 3rd round that can rotate in and eventually be the starter with Rowe next year.
I just don't like Hargreaves at 8. I think they got some great players in FA all over, in order to be able to go BPA. There's no insane gaping hole anymore where we really need to target that position at 8. Lots of weaker spots, but nothing anywhere to really panic.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
The word "strong" is being thrown around way to freely IMO
You don't think we're strong at Safety and DL? Top 10 talentwise in the league at both spots.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
This reads like a top 5 D to me and I don't think theyre there yet. That reads like we are basically one CB away...
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
This reads like a top 5 D to me and I don't think theyre there yet. That reads like we are basically one CB away...
"really strong" means top 5-10 to me. "fairly strong" 10-15. I'm used to crappy D's in Philly lately, this is the most talented group of players/coaches on the defensive side that we've seen in a very long time. I think we can be a top 10 D with another good CB if Schwartz' system works.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Gotcha. I'm hoping upper half of the league. I have worries about the DE's and LBers though.
Ash
Footballguy
S I think we're above average at least, but on the DL we have Cox and some guys who haven't demonstrated production in this system. Graham didn't do more than show flashes before 2013, Barwin isn't as good a scheme fit as he is in the 3-4 and is only an OK pass rusher. Curry should do well, but will have to play more than he has before, as he's never been more than a pass rush specialist. Logan was an underrated performer as a 2-gap NT but needs to show he can adjust to the change in role.Deamon said:
It's kind of an evaluation year for the DL IMO, DE in particular. It might turn out they have a great 3 man rotation or they might be picking a couple of DEs early next year and shedding a contract or two.
Ash
Footballguy
Average (being around 15 +/- in ppg) is about the floor for my expectations, there's solid talent across the board, there are some ?s, sure but no glaring weaknesses. A few things go right, like Curry being a 10 sack player, Kendricks bouncing back with him and Hicks staying healthy, Rowe continuing his late season improvement and I think this unit could threaten the Top 5. If only a couple of those things happen, I think they could be borderline Top 10.Deamon said:
modogg
Footballguy
yeah, got rid of some LB depth and we are hoping that Hicks bounces back fine and has no sophmore slump. Same with Kendricks playing to potential. A good DL and good safeties can cover a weak LB core so if things fall through they should be ok. Would love Hicks to come back and play like he was
babydemon90
Footballguy
Would really love Myles Jack to spice up the LB core though - that's probably my #1 wish for this draft. Unlikely- sure.
Ash
Footballguy
I'd love to see how that unit looks with a quick twitch playmaker like Vernon Hargreaves at the other CB spot.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
It's a shame Greg Hardy is such a ####head. He'd be good on a scheme like ours.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Kind of hard to "plan" on taking Elliott at 8, months before the draft and can't really trade everyone assuming you're getting him. But anyway I read an article saying Matthews was never shopped after all. Would a Matthews/Sproles/Barner trio be all that terrible?
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Not THAT terrible, but I'd like to see us grab another RB. I don't trust Mathews to last a whole season. Would like Mathews+3rd Rounder+Barner with Sproles back into more of a receiver option.
Ash
Footballguy
Not for the 12 games Mathews plays, but would be pretty grim for the other 4 I think.
Collinsworth just posted his first mock and it's kind of interesting. He has Wentz/Goff going 1-2 (LA trading up with Tennessee), and us taking Stanley. Zeke to Houston at #22. Coleman at #10 to NYG. Treadwell #30 to Carolina.
The more I look into it, the more I want Stanley really badly.
The more I look into it, the more I want Stanley really badly.
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Kwai Chang Caine
Footballguy
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I literally just read that article. Some were head scratchers (Elliott at 22, Treadwell 30 was what really jumped out) but he really looks like he did his homework and it wasn't cookie-cutter, that's for sure.
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