*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)

[Mighty Mice]

From Alex Marvez last night:

"The Chiefs topped the Texans, 30-0. When Doug Pederson and Kansas City land back in town this evening, the Eagles' front office will reportedly be on site and ready to interview Pederson for their head coaching job."

Think they say hey to Andy?

https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/685982066035441664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


ETA - Pederson eligible to be interviewed as soon as KC finished their first playoff game per league rules... and Lurie/Roseman/Smolenski are waiting for him on the tarmac. Seems they are highly interested. Why not kick the tires on DC Bob Sutton while in town?

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I get where you're coming from Mighty Mice and there could be some some fire where the smoke is but Bigboy (as he usually does) has the voice of reason here.

But I don't hate Howie. I still HATE Chip! That man is scorched earth to me and will probably remain so. Mostly because I so badly wanted it to work with him and believe in him. I didn't think another sports figure could top the turnaround in emotions that I had with the TO debacle but Chip pulled it off.

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

 

[Mighty Mice]

I get where you're coming from Mighty Mice and there could be some some fire where the smoke is but Bigboy (as he usually does) has the voice of reason here.

But I don't hate Howie. I still HATE Chip! That man is scorched earth to me and will probably remain so. Mostly because I so badly wanted it to work with him and believe in him. I didn't think another sports figure could top the turnaround in emotions that I had with the TO debacle but Chip pulled it off.

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

I don't disagree with the fact it's 'speculation' re: Howie. That being said, when:

Sources inside NovaCare speak to dysfunction/fighting between Howie and Ed, where Howie is pulling Lurie's ear...

Ex Employees (still looking for NFL jobs, in many cases) speak poorly of the leadership/accountability and direct that angst at Howie...

The media (national and local) lambaste Howie and indicate we are running a 'limited' search bc were afraid of a HC wanting control/stepping on toes...

...Then is it really all bogus/unconfirmed sources, sour grapes, and an ax to grind against a 'bean counter' who's not a 'football guy?' Many different roads, and they are all leading back to roughly the same point. Odd, if not true. At the very least, perception is often reality. IMO Jeff should have cleaned house.

Easy to say from my couch, right?

 

[JuniorNB]

I get where you're coming from Mighty Mice and there could be some some fire where the smoke is but Bigboy (as he usually does) has the voice of reason here.

But I don't hate Howie. I still HATE Chip! That man is scorched earth to me and will probably remain so. Mostly because I so badly wanted it to work with him and believe in him. I didn't think another sports figure could top the turnaround in emotions that I had with the TO debacle but Chip pulled it off.

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

haha. Good post. We all have different approaches, but we all want the same thing. And I'd buy a beer for all of you if I ever ran into you. :cheers:

 

[Insein]

I get where you're coming from Mighty Mice and there could be some some fire where the smoke is but Bigboy (as he usually does) has the voice of reason here.

But I don't hate Howie. I still HATE Chip! That man is scorched earth to me and will probably remain so. Mostly because I so badly wanted it to work with him and believe in him. I didn't think another sports figure could top the turnaround in emotions that I had with the TO debacle but Chip pulled it off.

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

The Dude abides

 

[Deamon]

Hey, let's bash Chip some more:

New Philadelphia mayor Jim Kenney explained this week why he didn't mind seeing Chip Kelly get the boot, writes CBS 3's Andrew Porter.



“I didn’t like him,” Kenney told Angelo Cataldi and the 94WIP Morning Show on Wednesday. “There’s a saying that says, you’ll forget what people say and you’ll forget what people do, but you never forget how people make you feel. And I live in Olde City and three years ago, it was a Sunday night [October 13th, 2013] about ten o’clock. Eagles had played [the] Tampa Bay [buccaneers] away and they were losing most of the game and they came back and won. And I walked across the street into this little grocery store to get some milk or whatever and Chip, he was living in the neighborhood at the time. And the only two people in the store was he and I, and the owner.

“And I said, ‘Hey coach great game.’

“And he turned away and never said a word and walked out the door. And as he walked out the door, I said, ‘Andy Reid would have said thank you.’ It was that kind of attitude and that stuck with me. And I said to myself, if he’s a great coach I’ll overlook that because Bill Belichick isn’t exactly the friendliest guy either, but they win. And when he didn’t win and with that personality, I was like, you know what? I’m done with it.”

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2016/01/09/weekend-reading-why-the-mayor-quit-on-chip/#WWgdMerYbZVO59Xd.99

Was probably just some dude that looked like Chip and was annoyed with the constant comparisons

 

[Deamon]

My biggest concern with Peterson would be his lack of playcalling. I don't know that he's ever done it and that's a pretty big risk IMO.

I'll be interested to hear what comes of the Guenther interview as well.

Doesn't matter much if he has his OC do it. He might be the scheme guy that installs the strategy and lets others call the plays.

But if we keep Shurmur at OC like we all seem to kind of want, he doesn't exactly have a ton of playcalling experience here either.

 

[Deamon]

I'm a bit skeptical of an ex employee with an axe to grind. I've also heard this agenda from the good ole boys in the league who don't like this "pencil pusher" getting any where in their world since he was brought in.

I just look at Howie's track record and so far he's shown promise as a personnel guy. I don't buy any of this other BS because NFL front offices aren't tea parties. There is a lot of cutthroat back door politics we never hear about because egos are huge at that level. So to think that Howie Roseman is some extra special problem that no one wants to work with is definitely some butt hurt ex employee trying to start any fire he can using all his friends in the media to stoke the embers.

I agree his only draft was good and apparently he stopped chip from wasting a first on Jordan Matthews.But Howie has run everyone out. The one that scares me the most was TOM gamble. He was coming home and left SF so he could come back to the Eagles. At first I thought he didn't get along with Chip but an article said him and Howie didn't get along.

Given Luries track record, Howie now has responsibility so he should be responsible going forward.

I always look back on this and find it funny how we would have been much better off if we took JMatt in the 1st that year. No way our 2nd round pick would be worse then Smith.

 

[Deamon]

From Alex Marvez last night:

"The Chiefs topped the Texans, 30-0. When Doug Pederson and Kansas City land back in town this evening, the Eagles' front office will reportedly be on site and ready to interview Pederson for their head coaching job."

Think they say hey to Andy?

https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/685982066035441664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


ETA - Pederson eligible to be interviewed as soon as KC finished their first playoff game per league rules... and Lurie/Roseman/Smolenski are waiting for him on the tarmac. Seems they are highly interested. Why not kick the tires on DC Bob Sutton while in town?

He will obviously ask Andy if he thinks he should take the job, or get more info on the organization. Wonder what he'll tell him? On one hand he seemed to tell Chip that he should take the job (I think Chip called him and asked him)... but Andy probably doesn't want to lose him, so not sure what he'll do.

 

[Deamon]

I get where you're coming from Mighty Mice and there could be some some fire where the smoke is but Bigboy (as he usually does) has the voice of reason here.

But I don't hate Howie. I still HATE Chip! That man is scorched earth to me and will probably remain so. Mostly because I so badly wanted it to work with him and believe in him. I didn't think another sports figure could top the turnaround in emotions that I had with the TO debacle but Chip pulled it off.

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

I really want to hate Chip again but I just can't. I still think we should have kept him, or wish there could have been a way that he chilled the #### out and just became a coach again focusing on playcalling. I'm an Oregon State fan so I spent the better part of 5 years absolutely despising Chip. Took me a while to warm up to the idea of him in Philly but can't seem to hate him yet. I really want to though, it'll just take some time.

 

[Deamon]

I get where you're coming from Mighty Mice and there could be some some fire where the smoke is but Bigboy (as he usually does) has the voice of reason here.

But I don't hate Howie. I still HATE Chip! That man is scorched earth to me and will probably remain so. Mostly because I so badly wanted it to work with him and believe in him. I didn't think another sports figure could top the turnaround in emotions that I had with the TO debacle but Chip pulled it off.

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

I don't disagree with the fact it's 'speculation' re: Howie. That being said, when:

Sources inside NovaCare speak to dysfunction/fighting between Howie and Ed, where Howie is pulling Lurie's ear...

Ex Employees (still looking for NFL jobs, in many cases) speak poorly of the leadership/accountability and direct that angst at Howie...

The media (national and local) lambaste Howie and indicate we are running a 'limited' search bc were afraid of a HC wanting control/stepping on toes...

...Then is it really all bogus/unconfirmed sources, sour grapes, and an ax to grind against a 'bean counter' who's not a 'football guy?' Many different roads, and they are all leading back to roughly the same point. Odd, if not true. At the very least, perception is often reality. IMO Jeff should have cleaned house.

Easy to say from my couch, right?

like all things in life, it seems like the truth is probably somewhere in the middle. As much as people like to have/post extreme opinions, I'm sure Howie isn't as easy to work with and innocent as Big/Insein are making it out to be... and I'm sure he's not the total cancer that MM is implying either. It just sucks hovering in the middle because it's not as fun to be a fan of something you're indifferent of.... especially in Philly.

 

[Mighty Mice]

From Alex Marvez last night:

"The Chiefs topped the Texans, 30-0. When Doug Pederson and Kansas City land back in town this evening, the Eagles' front office will reportedly be on site and ready to interview Pederson for their head coaching job."

Think they say hey to Andy?

https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/685982066035441664?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw


ETA - Pederson eligible to be interviewed as soon as KC finished their first playoff game per league rules... and Lurie/Roseman/Smolenski are waiting for him on the tarmac. Seems they are highly interested. Why not kick the tires on DC Bob Sutton while in town?

He will obviously ask Andy if he thinks he should take the job, or get more info on the organization. Wonder what he'll tell him? On one hand he seemed to tell Chip that he should take the job (I think Chip called him and asked him)... but Andy probably doesn't want to lose him, so not sure what he'll do.

Andy Reid on Doug Pederson interviewing with the Eagles: https://twitter.com/AP_RobMaaddi/status/686261982002024449

Long story short, Andy's a first-class guy.

 

[Ash]

If they hire Coughlin they'll be doing this all over again in another 3 years. I don't want that.

Agreed, which is why the caveat 'Unless he brings in his OC/DC with the plan on 'grooming' him to be the guy after he's gone' applies IMO. We don't need a short-term coach.Incidentally, the rumor going around NFL sources/twitter is that if they hire Coughlin he may want to bring in his NYG OC McAdoo as the 'coach in waiting.' Which I guess would make sense. Saw Parcells do this with the Jets.

Would feel odd to hire the NYG staff.

I don't know. Why wouldn't McAdoo be ready now? What's 2-3 more years of "training" going to do? Just seems like a bad plan.

There would be issues with that transition to McAdoo after Coughlin as well, Rooney Rule etc.

 

[Ash]

I also wouldn't mind hue jackson. I thought he looked pretty good in Oakland with what they had and thought they were crazy to get rid of him

Don't know why there seems to be no interest in Jackson or McDermott. They both seem like strong candidates, Jackson in particular.

 

[Rimez]

Doug Pederson? Well, I guess they cant all be Grudens.

 

[Ash]

Maclin may have blown his knee out again just now. I feel for him.

Maclin seems like a genuinely good dude. That would stuck, hopefully it turns out to be something less serious.

 

[dschuler]

Hoping the Eagles get Jeff fisher or Lovie. That way they can keep being mediocre. Here's to hoping!

 

[Ash]

More Howie stuff from 'Inside the Iggles': http://insidetheiggles.com/2016/01/09/howie-roseman-is-absolutely-destroying-the-philadelphia-eagles/

Howie Roseman is Absolutely Destroying the Philadelphia Eagles

"Howie Roseman is a power-hungry tyrant and is killing the Philadelphia Eagles."

The Philadelphia Eagles attempt to hire Adam Gase as their next head coach was a swing and a miss and Howie Roseman, Philadelphias executive vice president of football operations, may be to thank for it. After the firing of Chip Kelly, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie stated that the search for a new head coach would be run by himself, team president Don Smolenski and Roseman. However, instead of searching for the right guy for the job, the Eagles are searching for whoever is more likely to play nice with Roseman, which is a disastrous way to run a search for a new head coach. Its unclear just how much power Gase would have wanted with the Eagles, but Roseman is power-hungry and the fact that he is helping run the Eagles search for a new head coach is troubling. Because of Roseman, the Eagles could be focusing their search on a smaller pool of candidates who will be willing to work with him, which, frankly, may not be a lot of people. Roseman has been regarded as a bit a supremely polarizing figure in the Eagles front office and that is starting to effect their head coaching search. Hue Jackson, who I am a big supporter of, is one of the better coaching candidates on the market, but its been reported that the Eagles have no interest in even bringing him in for an interview. When Jackson was the head coach for the Oakland Raiders in 2011, he had a fair amount of a voice in terms of personnel, which Roseman does not want the head coach to have, especially after the Chip Kelly fiasco. Now, the Eagles may be forced to settle for a less-than-stellar candidate like Pat Shurmur, Doug Pederson or Dirk Koetter. The Eagles are set to meet with Tom Coughlin Monday night, but the chances of the Eagles giving an up-front personality like Coughlin the job are slim. And whos to say Coughlin would even want to be in Philadelphia? This is a tough time for the Eagles. They are having a difficult time finding a head coach and the front office is the reason for it.

So what evidence does he offer for Howie being power hungry? I've been hearing this rhetoric all week. No ones offered a quote or evidence that illustrates this point. There's seems to be a concerted effort to paint Roseman as the bad guy here and if he is then give us the reasons. No one has brought anything to the table.This editorial might as well be me or big boy or Deamon making a post for all the proof it offers. Only difference is he has it on a website. It's all conjecture.

'Multiple league sources' say Chip was fired because 'Howie got him,' 'place is out of control,' etc. And the fact that he hasn't gotten along with anyone he's worked with...http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/12/what_is_eagles_owner_jeffrey_lurie_thinking.html#incart_river_index

There was also a war going on in the NovaCare Complex between Roseman and Marynowitz, according to several sources inside and outside the building.

"Howie has been poisoning Ed,'' one person with knowledge of the infighting said. "And he has his people doing the same.''

According to several league sources, the firings have Roseman's fingerprints all over it.

"I can't believe it,'' a long-time executive for an Eagles rival said when told of Kelly's firing. "They did what? Are you serious? No, you're kidding right? You can't be serious.''

When he finally realized it wasn't a joke, he put the onus on the former and probably future general manager.

"Howie got him,'' the executive said. "He won. It took him some time, but he got to the owner, and he won. That's just amazing. What is Lurie thinking? That place is just out of control.''

I'm with Insein on this. I've never gotten the hate toward Roseman. I swear people hear the name and see what he looks like and it's instant "yep! Not a football guy." I think it's kinda disgraceful actually. Has he made some bad picks? I'm sure he has. But he's made some really fine ones too and likely kept Kelly from making even worse moves as had been documented. I also don't believe he was the person behind the Smith pick.People hated banner too because he looked like a guy that got shoved into his locker at school but the guy did a heck of a job. How many coaches are truly successful having all the power? Very few. I like Jackson too but if he has a rep for wanting it all then no thanks.

Howie has some good points, he seems to mostly have a good handle on how draft prospects are valued and where they'll be available, and doesn't do stupid back loaded contracts, but his responsibilities and authority need to be clearly understood outside the building and he needs to be held accountable.We have no idea how much Howie really had to do with the Dream Team, 2010 & 2011 drafts. It was all blamed on Andy after the fact, but Howie is like Lurie's adopted son and can do no wrong, so who really knows?

Marcus Smith seems like Howie's pick since Kelly and Davis never seemed to like him.

 

[Deamon]

I also wouldn't mind hue jackson. I thought he looked pretty good in Oakland with what they had and thought they were crazy to get rid of him

Don't know why there seems to be no interest in Jackson or McDermott. They both seem like strong candidates, Jackson in particular.

The lack of Jackson interest was outlined pretty thoroughly on the previous few pages. Some thought that he would want more power and has another strong personality that they seem to want to avoid.

 

[Ash]

From Alex Marvez last night:

"The Chiefs topped the Texans, 30-0. When Doug Pederson and Kansas City land back in town this evening, the Eagles' front office will reportedly be on site and ready to interview Pederson for their head coaching job."

Think they say hey to Andy?

https://twitter.com/alexmarvez/status/685982066035441664?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

ETA - Pederson eligible to be interviewed as soon as KC finished their first playoff game per league rules... and Lurie/Roseman/Smolenski are waiting for him on the tarmac. Seems they are highly interested. Why not kick the tires on DC Bob Sutton while in town?

He will obviously ask Andy if he thinks he should take the job, or get more info on the organization. Wonder what he'll tell him? On one hand he seemed to tell Chip that he should take the job (I think Chip called him and asked him)... but Andy probably doesn't want to lose him, so not sure what he'll do.

Andy Reid on Doug Pederson interviewing with the Eagles: https://twitter.com/AP_RobMaaddi/status/686261982002024449Long story short, Andy's a first-class guy.

Was time for Andy to go but I'm happy to see him doing well in KC.

 

[Deamon]

Maclin may have blown his knee out again just now. I feel for him.

Maclin seems like a genuinely good dude. That would stuck, hopefully it turns out to be something less serious.

Just a HAS.... very good news for him. Probably won't play this week though.

 

[Ash]

I also wouldn't mind hue jackson. I thought he looked pretty good in Oakland with what they had and thought they were crazy to get rid of him

Don't know why there seems to be no interest in Jackson or McDermott. They both seem like strong candidates, Jackson in particular.

The lack of Jackson interest was outlined pretty thoroughly on the previous few pages. Some thought that he would want more power and has another strong personality that they seem to want to avoid.

Mistake though, IMO to not at least interview him. That kind of thing can be managed I think. Where they went wrong with Kelly was when he wanted to get rid of Jackson, Lurie should have told him to shut up and coach. Sure, that might still have caused a problem but that would have been better than ending up with Kelly fired anyway and being stuck with DeMarco Murray at $8m per year.

 

[Ash]

I get where you're coming from Mighty Mice and there could be some some fire where the smoke is but Bigboy (as he usually does) has the voice of reason here.

But I don't hate Howie. I still HATE Chip! That man is scorched earth to me and will probably remain so. Mostly because I so badly wanted it to work with him and believe in him. I didn't think another sports figure could top the turnaround in emotions that I had with the TO debacle but Chip pulled it off.

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

I really want to hate Chip again but I just can't. I still think we should have kept him, or wish there could have been a way that he chilled the #### out and just became a coach again focusing on playcalling. I'm an Oregon State fan so I spent the better part of 5 years absolutely despising Chip. Took me a while to warm up to the idea of him in Philly but can't seem to hate him yet. I really want to though, it'll just take some time.

Lurie usually is very patient and I would have expected Kelly to get another year to see if he'd learned from his mistakes and that might even have been the wise thing. I'd bet cash money though that there was a "Get the #### out of my house" moment for Lurie to fire him on the spot with a game still to go in the season.

 

[Deamon]

I get where you're coming from Mighty Mice and there could be some some fire where the smoke is but Bigboy (as he usually does) has the voice of reason here.

But I don't hate Howie. I still HATE Chip! That man is scorched earth to me and will probably remain so. Mostly because I so badly wanted it to work with him and believe in him. I didn't think another sports figure could top the turnaround in emotions that I had with the TO debacle but Chip pulled it off.

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

I really want to hate Chip again but I just can't. I still think we should have kept him, or wish there could have been a way that he chilled the #### out and just became a coach again focusing on playcalling. I'm an Oregon State fan so I spent the better part of 5 years absolutely despising Chip. Took me a while to warm up to the idea of him in Philly but can't seem to hate him yet. I really want to though, it'll just take some time.

Lurie usually is very patient and I would have expected Kelly to get another year to see if he'd learned from his mistakes and that might even have been the wise thing.I'd bet cash money though that there was a "Get the #### out of my house" moment for Lurie to fire him on the spot with a game still to go in the season.

Christmas Party.

 

[Deamon]

The more I think about it, I can't see us actually being serious about Coughlin. Think once again it's to get some info on The Giants. Seems weird he'd even want to come in and give that though. Can't see him coming in and taking Lurie/Howie seriously when they're asking him questions about what he would do here for us, and making him sit through 8 hours of questioning and trying to impress him.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

More Howie stuff from 'Inside the Iggles': http://insidetheiggles.com/2016/01/09/howie-roseman-is-absolutely-destroying-the-philadelphia-eagles/

Howie Roseman is Absolutely Destroying the Philadelphia Eagles

"Howie Roseman is a power-hungry tyrant and is killing the Philadelphia Eagles."

The Philadelphia Eagles attempt to hire Adam Gase as their next head coach was a swing and a miss and Howie Roseman, Philadelphias executive vice president of football operations, may be to thank for it. After the firing of Chip Kelly, Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie stated that the search for a new head coach would be run by himself, team president Don Smolenski and Roseman. However, instead of searching for the right guy for the job, the Eagles are searching for whoever is more likely to play nice with Roseman, which is a disastrous way to run a search for a new head coach. Its unclear just how much power Gase would have wanted with the Eagles, but Roseman is power-hungry and the fact that he is helping run the Eagles search for a new head coach is troubling. Because of Roseman, the Eagles could be focusing their search on a smaller pool of candidates who will be willing to work with him, which, frankly, may not be a lot of people. Roseman has been regarded as a bit a supremely polarizing figure in the Eagles front office and that is starting to effect their head coaching search. Hue Jackson, who I am a big supporter of, is one of the better coaching candidates on the market, but its been reported that the Eagles have no interest in even bringing him in for an interview. When Jackson was the head coach for the Oakland Raiders in 2011, he had a fair amount of a voice in terms of personnel, which Roseman does not want the head coach to have, especially after the Chip Kelly fiasco. Now, the Eagles may be forced to settle for a less-than-stellar candidate like Pat Shurmur, Doug Pederson or Dirk Koetter. The Eagles are set to meet with Tom Coughlin Monday night, but the chances of the Eagles giving an up-front personality like Coughlin the job are slim. And whos to say Coughlin would even want to be in Philadelphia? This is a tough time for the Eagles. They are having a difficult time finding a head coach and the front office is the reason for it.

So what evidence does he offer for Howie being power hungry? I've been hearing this rhetoric all week. No ones offered a quote or evidence that illustrates this point. There's seems to be a concerted effort to paint Roseman as the bad guy here and if he is then give us the reasons. No one has brought anything to the table.This editorial might as well be me or big boy or Deamon making a post for all the proof it offers. Only difference is he has it on a website. It's all conjecture.

'Multiple league sources' say Chip was fired because 'Howie got him,' 'place is out of control,' etc. And the fact that he hasn't gotten along with anyone he's worked with...http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2015/12/what_is_eagles_owner_jeffrey_lurie_thinking.html#incart_river_index

There was also a war going on in the NovaCare Complex between Roseman and Marynowitz, according to several sources inside and outside the building.

"Howie has been poisoning Ed,'' one person with knowledge of the infighting said. "And he has his people doing the same.''

According to several league sources, the firings have Roseman's fingerprints all over it.

"I can't believe it,'' a long-time executive for an Eagles rival said when told of Kelly's firing. "They did what? Are you serious? No, you're kidding right? You can't be serious.''

When he finally realized it wasn't a joke, he put the onus on the former and probably future general manager.

"Howie got him,'' the executive said. "He won. It took him some time, but he got to the owner, and he won. That's just amazing. What is Lurie thinking? That place is just out of control.''

I'm with Insein on this. I've never gotten the hate toward Roseman. I swear people hear the name and see what he looks like and it's instant "yep! Not a football guy." I think it's kinda disgraceful actually. Has he made some bad picks? I'm sure he has. But he's made some really fine ones too and likely kept Kelly from making even worse moves as had been documented. I also don't believe he was the person behind the Smith pick.People hated banner too because he looked like a guy that got shoved into his locker at school but the guy did a heck of a job. How many coaches are truly successful having all the power? Very few. I like Jackson too but if he has a rep for wanting it all then no thanks.

Howie has some good points, he seems to mostly have a good handle on how draft prospects are valued and where they'll be available, and doesn't do stupid back loaded contracts, but his responsibilities and authority need to be clearly understood outside the building and he needs to be held accountable.We have no idea how much Howie really had to do with the Dream Team, 2010 & 2011 drafts. It was all blamed on Andy after the fact, but Howie is like Lurie's adopted son and can do no wrong, so who really knows?

Marcus Smith seems like Howie's pick since Kelly and Davis never seemed to like him.

Last point is a good one. Huff had a very long leash. Smith, not so much.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I get where you're coming from Mighty Mice and there could be some some fire where the smoke is but Bigboy (as he usually does) has the voice of reason here.

But I don't hate Howie. I still HATE Chip! That man is scorched earth to me and will probably remain so. Mostly because I so badly wanted it to work with him and believe in him. I didn't think another sports figure could top the turnaround in emotions that I had with the TO debacle but Chip pulled it off.

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

I really want to hate Chip again but I just can't. I still think we should have kept him, or wish there could have been a way that he chilled the #### out and just became a coach again focusing on playcalling. I'm an Oregon State fan so I spent the better part of 5 years absolutely despising Chip. Took me a while to warm up to the idea of him in Philly but can't seem to hate him yet. I really want to though, it'll just take some time.

Lurie usually is very patient and I would have expected Kelly to get another year to see if he'd learned from his mistakes and that might even have been the wise thing. I'd bet cash money though that there was a "Get the #### out of my house" moment for Lurie to fire him on the spot with a game still to go in the season.

This is why I feel like it had to be howie sowing the seeds all along. Just seems so out of character to make a snap decision.

 

[Ash]

My biggest concern with Peterson would be his lack of playcalling. I don't know that he's ever done it and that's a pretty big risk IMO.

I'll be interested to hear what comes of the Guenther interview as well.

Doesn't matter much if he has his OC do it. He might be the scheme guy that installs the strategy and lets others call the plays.

But if we keep Shurmur at OC like we all seem to kind of want, he doesn't exactly have a ton of playcalling experience here either.

Play calling experience is not a big deal IMO. Any coach who can build a gameplan is already thinking about all the situations, defensive looks and personnel etc they'll see in the game. Play calling is just an extension of that thought process. Some will be better than others at predicting exactly what their opponent will do on a given play, but I don't think you can be a good game planner and a bad play caller.In game adjustments are much more important and if Pederson can do that, he didn't learn it from Andy.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I can't see us ever getting as lucky as I've seen Seattle.

And Carolina is one and done now for sure IMO

 

[Ash]

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

Come on man! Who am I!

 

[Deamon]

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

Come on man! Who am I!

Crocodile Dundee

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

Come on man! Who am I!

Knox Harrington, the video artist.

 

[Deamon]

My biggest concern with Peterson would be his lack of playcalling. I don't know that he's ever done it and that's a pretty big risk IMO.

I'll be interested to hear what comes of the Guenther interview as well.

Apparently he did some this year...

Ian Rapoport Verified account ‏@RapSheet 8h8 hours ago

#Eagles are interviewing #KCChiefs OC Doug Pederson today. Andy Reid helped his candidacy, allowing him to share play-calling this year.

 

[Deamon]

Strange, Pederson interview ended at 1pm. Seems pretty short for an interview.

 

[jasvic]

Strange, Pederson interview ended at 1pm. Seems pretty short for an interview.

I think he's the target all along and the interview was a formality.

 

[Deamon]

Strange, Pederson interview ended at 1pm. Seems pretty short for an interview.

I think he's the target all along and the interview was a formality.

Don't think we would have gone 8 hours with Gase if he wasn't seriously being considered. We would hear about a potential hiring if it was just a formality today.

But I agree, the short meeting could mean its a done deal. Don't think there will be a 2nd interview... either is signed ASAP or not looked at again.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Gase apparently getting full control over personnel in Mia, so maybe that was a sticking point.

 

[jasvic]

Strange, Pederson interview ended at 1pm. Seems pretty short for an interview.

I think he's the target all along and the interview was a formality.

Don't think we would have gone 8 hours with Gase if he wasn't seriously being considered. We would hear about a potential hiring if it was just a formality today.

But I agree, the short meeting could mean its a done deal. Don't think there will be a 2nd interview... either is signed ASAP or not looked at again.

Still need to be thorough, My thoughts is Pederson was their guy all along, but they couldn't talk to him until today. So might as well investigate other viable options in the mean time to see if either A) someone else knocks their socks off or B) Pederson isn't interested/gets a better offer/or for some reason extremely disappoints in the interview and they deem him not quite ready. I think once KC gets booted, they'll announce. I'm assuming they can't officially announce until then? Not sure how that timing works. The fact they could even interview him today was new to me.

 

[Pip's Invitation]

Correct, they can't announce until KC is eliminated. Last year ATL knew Dan Quinn was their guy all along, but it wasn't announced until just after the Super Bowl.

 

[jasvic]

Also, imagine how much they'd get ripped by the media if they interviewed no one until today. I remember last time how all the reports were they didn't know what they were doing and were taking forever before they landed Chip. It was ridiculous.

 

[Deamon]

Also, imagine how much they'd get ripped by the media if they interviewed no one until today. I remember last time how all the reports were they didn't know what they were doing and were taking forever before they landed Chip. It was ridiculous.

Strange, Pederson interview ended at 1pm. Seems pretty short for an interview.

I think he's the target all along and the interview was a formality.

Don't think we would have gone 8 hours with Gase if he wasn't seriously being considered. We would hear about a potential hiring if it was just a formality today.

But I agree, the short meeting could mean its a done deal. Don't think there will be a 2nd interview... either is signed ASAP or not looked at again.

Still need to be thorough, My thoughts is Pederson was their guy all along, but they couldn't talk to him until today. So might as well investigate other viable options in the mean time to see if either A) someone else knocks their socks off or B) Pederson isn't interested/gets a better offer/or for some reason extremely disappoints in the interview and they deem him not quite ready. I think once KC gets booted, they'll announce. I'm assuming they can't officially announce until then? Not sure how that timing works. The fact they could even interview him today was new to me.

So could we have talked to him before today? I doubt a guy could 'be our guy' before we've spoken to him (even if unofficially or just on the phone) much. It does sound like the situation you're describing could be true though.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Here's some news on Hugh Jackson:

Jackson has told 49ers he wants roster and staff control and to fly to Houston to vote on L.A. relocation.

 

[GoBirds]

Here's some news on Hugh Jackson:

Jackson has told 49ers he wants roster and staff control and to fly to Houston to vote on L.A. relocation.

Sounds like a real sweetheart.

Feels like it's Pederson....I think I'm fine with that. Anything not to like about it? Was he part of any other staff besides KC and here?

 

[Mighty Mice]

Here's some news on Hugh Hue Jackson:

Jackson has told 49ers he wants roster and staff control and to fly to Houston to vote on L.A. relocation.

Haven't seen this anywhere.

Anyways, why so anti-Jackson? He seems like a good candidate, and there are no links/stories about him wanting to do anything abnormal re: control. Not in Oakland, and not in 2016. The rumor is Howie wants a guy he can control. I don't know if that's true or not, but if it is, that's not Hue, I guess, from what his rep is. He ruffled feathers being so outspoken in Oakland, but he thought he was getting a raw deal. But now he's a guy who wants control? Where is this info? And, in any event, since when is being a strong personality and a guy with an opinion on the roster an automatic rejection as an NFL coach? I can see why Philly doesn't want that, given the recent events.

Not sold he's the answer, but IMO he's a better candidate than the majority. I find it odd we don't seem interested. Like to see him interviewed, some aspects of him I deem impressive. I prefer him to some of the candidates we've talked to.

Anyways, Hue to SF seems a done deal. First day he was eligible to interview, he gets 2 interviews and a (likely) hire. Can't do much better than that.

http://www.espn1530.com/onair/james-rapien-56340/breaking-hue-jackson-to-san-francisco-14260380/

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Here's some news on Hugh Hue Jackson:

Jackson has told 49ers he wants roster and staff control and to fly to Houston to vote on L.A. relocation.

Why so anti-Jackson? He seems like a good candidate, and there are no links/stories about him wanting to do anything abnormal re: control. Not in Oakland, and not in 2016. The rumor is Howie wants a guy he can control. Well, that's not Hue, I guess, from what his rep is. He ruffled feathers being so outspoken in Oakland, but he thought he was getting a raw deal. In any event, since when is being a strong personality and a guy with an opinion an auto rejection as an NFL coach? I can see why Philly doesn't want that, given the recent events.Not sold he's the answer, but IMO he's a better candidate than the majority. I find it odd we don't seem interested. Like to see him interviewed, some aspects of him I deem impressive. I prefer him to some of the candidates we've talked to.

Anyways, Hue to SF seems a done deal. First day he was eligible to interview, he gets 2 interviews and a (likely) hire. Can't do much better than that.

http://www.espn1530.com/onair/james-rapien-56340/breaking-hue-jackson-to-san-francisco-14260380/

It's not anti-Hue. I hoped on Twitter and that was the first thing I saw, seemed like a lot, and thought I'd share.

It also sheds some light on why he's not a candidate here as well since we have a GM and don't seem interested in giving all the power to a HC again.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Here's some news on Hugh Jackson:

Jackson has told 49ers he wants roster and staff control and to fly to Houston to vote on L.A. relocation.

Sounds like a real sweetheart.

Feels like it's Pederson....I think I'm fine with that. Anything not to like about it? Was he part of any other staff besides KC and here?

No, the only HC he's ever worked for is Reid.

I like him overall, and believe it's more likely than not we see him hired. Hope he's what they think he is, could be good/great. Be nice to hit this hire out of the park.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Here's some news on Hugh Hue Jackson:

Jackson has told 49ers he wants roster and staff control and to fly to Houston to vote on L.A. relocation.

Why so anti-Jackson? He seems like a good candidate, and there are no links/stories about him wanting to do anything abnormal re: control. Not in Oakland, and not in 2016. The rumor is Howie wants a guy he can control. Well, that's not Hue, I guess, from what his rep is. He ruffled feathers being so outspoken in Oakland, but he thought he was getting a raw deal. In any event, since when is being a strong personality and a guy with an opinion an auto rejection as an NFL coach? I can see why Philly doesn't want that, given the recent events.Not sold he's the answer, but IMO he's a better candidate than the majority. I find it odd we don't seem interested. Like to see him interviewed, some aspects of him I deem impressive. I prefer him to some of the candidates we've talked to.

Anyways, Hue to SF seems a done deal. First day he was eligible to interview, he gets 2 interviews and a (likely) hire. Can't do much better than that.

http://www.espn1530.com/onair/james-rapien-56340/breaking-hue-jackson-to-san-francisco-14260380/

It's not anti-Hue. I hoped on Twitter and that was the first thing I saw, seemed like a lot, and thought I'd share.

It also sheds some light on why he's not a candidate here as well since we have a GM and don't seem interested in giving all the power to a HC again.

Haven't seen anything like this, that he wants or asked for any power. But, have seen rumors that he's meeting with NYG shortly. Very in demand.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2606692-insider-buzz-giants-expected-to-interview-hue-jackson-49ers-hire-on-hold?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-16

 

[Deamon]

If Pederson is a done deal, why Coughlin then? Must be to get some info on the Giants. Or maybe for WR coach??

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I think every situation in life can be explained by either Pulp Fiction or the Big Lebowski. I'm the absolutely typical Eagle fan who's like Vincent Vega and #####es about the guy keying his car and how he'd actually like to have the guy key it again so he could catch him and #### him up LOL. And some of you guys are without a doubt Jules or Walter from Lebowksi (Junior and Daemon come to mind LOL).

And if Junior is Walter, then ShaBucks is definitely Donny LOL!

Our boy Insein...he's kinda like the Dude. Pretty chill unless you play music from the band the Eagles and our Bigboy...he's the Wolf come in here to chill us mother ####ers out!

Yeah...lack of sleep fellas...I know...

Come on man! Who am I!

Butch! The coolest one of 'em all mate!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Here's some news on Hugh Hue Jackson:

Jackson has told 49ers he wants roster and staff control and to fly to Houston to vote on L.A. relocation.

Why so anti-Jackson? He seems like a good candidate, and there are no links/stories about him wanting to do anything abnormal re: control. Not in Oakland, and not in 2016. The rumor is Howie wants a guy he can control. Well, that's not Hue, I guess, from what his rep is. He ruffled feathers being so outspoken in Oakland, but he thought he was getting a raw deal. In any event, since when is being a strong personality and a guy with an opinion an auto rejection as an NFL coach? I can see why Philly doesn't want that, given the recent events.Not sold he's the answer, but IMO he's a better candidate than the majority. I find it odd we don't seem interested. Like to see him interviewed, some aspects of him I deem impressive. I prefer him to some of the candidates we've talked to.

Anyways, Hue to SF seems a done deal. First day he was eligible to interview, he gets 2 interviews and a (likely) hire. Can't do much better than that.

http://www.espn1530.com/onair/james-rapien-56340/breaking-hue-jackson-to-san-francisco-14260380/

It's not anti-Hue. I hoped on Twitter and that was the first thing I saw, seemed like a lot, and thought I'd share.It also sheds some light on why he's not a candidate here as well since we have a GM and don't seem interested in giving all the power to a HC again.

Haven't seen anything like this, that he wants or asked for any power. But, have seen rumors that he's meeting with NYG shortly. Very in demand.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2606692-insider-buzz-giants-expected-to-interview-hue-jackson-49ers-hire-on-hold?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-16

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