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*Official 2016 Philadelphia Eagles* - The year of Change (1 Viewer)
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Bigboy10182000
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Ray Diddy said he feels like Peterson has a 40% chance and isn't really 100% sure if we've interviewed the one we want yet. He mentioned how methodical we usually are during this process.
I read an article today from the NY Times I believe that said our interview with Coughlin on Monday is simply to gauge his interest in coaching. Whatever that means.
I'm not for or against Peterson but I would like him over Gase. If he truly has called plays that would alleviate my main concern.
Bigboy10182000
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FWIWTweeted by Ray RattoHaven't seen anything like this, that he wants or asked for any power. But, have seen rumors that he's meeting with NYG shortly. Very in demand.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2606692-insider-buzz-giants-expected-to-interview-hue-jackson-49ers-hire-on-hold?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-16It's not anti-Hue. I hoped on Twitter and that was the first thing I saw, seemed like a lot, and thought I'd share.It also sheds some light on why he's not a candidate here as well since we have a GM and don't seem interested in giving all the power to a HC again.Why so anti-Jackson? He seems like a good candidate, and there are no links/stories about him wanting to do anything abnormal re: control. Not in Oakland, and not in 2016. The rumor is Howie wants a guy he can control. Well, that's not Hue, I guess, from what his rep is. He ruffled feathers being so outspoken in Oakland, but he thought he was getting a raw deal. In any event, since when is being a strong personality and a guy with an opinion an auto rejection as an NFL coach? I can see why Philly doesn't want that, given the recent events.Not sold he's the answer, but IMO he's a better candidate than the majority. I find it odd we don't seem interested. Like to see him interviewed, some aspects of him I deem impressive. I prefer him to some of the candidates we've talked to.
Anyways, Hue to SF seems a done deal. First day he was eligible to interview, he gets 2 interviews and a (likely) hire. Can't do much better than that.
http://www.espn1530.com/onair/james-rapien-56340/breaking-hue-jackson-to-san-francisco-14260380/
Ray Ratto (born 1954) has been a San Francisco Bay Area sportswriter since the 1970s and a sports columnist since the 1980s. He is "Senior Insider" for the TV station Comcast SportsNet Bay Area and writes for their website, CSNBayArea.com. He also has written national columns for espn.com and currently does same at CBS' sportsline.com. Beginning his column-writing career for two now-defunct newspapers, The National and the Peninsula Times Tribune, Ratto later became a staff writer, then a columnist for the San Francisco Examiner and the San Francisco Chronicle. He left the Chronicle for CSNBayArea.com in 2010.[1] Ratto is one of 60 sports writers whose ranking of college football teams makes up the AP Poll. He is a regular on Tom Tolbert's radio show on KNBR.[2]
Bigboy10182000
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I can't tell, but do you guys think I'm kidding or really don't like the guy? I mentioned previously that if we, and others, aren't interviewing or hiring him there has to be a reason. That would be a pretty big reason, no?I see what you're doing here.
Mighty Mice
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LOL. He was being completely sarcastic. Like the Onion reporting the Chicago PD is going to start using 'bullet cams.'Tweeted by Ray RattoHaven't seen anything like this, that he wants or asked for any power. But, have seen rumors that he's meeting with NYG shortly. Very in demand.http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2606692-insider-buzz-giants-expected-to-interview-hue-jackson-49ers-hire-on-hold?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=share&utm_campaign=web-des-art-top-16It's not anti-Hue. I hoped on Twitter and that was the first thing I saw, seemed like a lot, and thought I'd share.It also sheds some light on why he's not a candidate here as well since we have a GM and don't seem interested in giving all the power to a HC again.Why so anti-Jackson? He seems like a good candidate, and there are no links/stories about him wanting to do anything abnormal re: control. Not in Oakland, and not in 2016. The rumor is Howie wants a guy he can control. Well, that's not Hue, I guess, from what his rep is. He ruffled feathers being so outspoken in Oakland, but he thought he was getting a raw deal. In any event, since when is being a strong personality and a guy with an opinion an auto rejection as an NFL coach? I can see why Philly doesn't want that, given the recent events.Not sold he's the answer, but IMO he's a better candidate than the majority. I find it odd we don't seem interested. Like to see him interviewed, some aspects of him I deem impressive. I prefer him to some of the candidates we've talked to.
Anyways, Hue to SF seems a done deal. First day he was eligible to interview, he gets 2 interviews and a (likely) hire. Can't do much better than that.
http://www.espn1530.com/onair/james-rapien-56340/breaking-hue-jackson-to-san-francisco-14260380/
That's Ray Ratto's 'thing.'
Sorry for the miscommunication, I thought you were joking. Ray was just
Ash
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I read he got control of the 53 man roster, which isn't as great as it sounds. Means he gets to make training camp cuts, but not draft picks, FA signings etc.
Mighty Mice
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No, just thought you were kidding. Lots of others (SF, NYG, CLE) are all immediately interested. We're not. Speculation is he's too 'strong willed' for our GM.I can't tell, but do you guys think I'm kidding or really don't like the guy? I mentioned previously that if we, and others, aren't interviewing or hiring him there has to be a reason. That would be a pretty big reason, no?
He didn't really ask for all that stuff. No biggie, miscommunication.
Onwards and upwards. Hire Pederson, resign Bradford, etc.
Ash
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Cool, thanks man.
jasvic
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Everything I said is just my opinion from the couch. I don't know if it's a done deal per se, I just think he's their top choice and like I said the rest is just due diligence and backup plans. But I also thought there was no way Chip would be fired before his contract ended, so what the heck do I know?
Ash
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Solid. It's ambiguous but I might be banging Julianne Moore which would be sweet. I've always been
on her for some reason.
Bigboy10182000
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I didn't realize it was a fishing tweet. Admittedly I've had a few today but when I saw that Tweet I was like "damn, no wonder this guy hasn't gotten a job yet"No, just thought you were kidding. Lots of others (SF, NYG, CLE) are all immediately interested. We're not. Speculation is he's too 'strong willed' for our GM.He didn't really ask for all that stuff. No biggie, miscommunication.I can't tell, but do you guys think I'm kidding or really don't like the guy? I mentioned previously that if we, and others, aren't interviewing or hiring him there has to be a reason. That would be a pretty big reason, no?
Onwards and upwards. Hire Pederson, resign Bradford, etc.
Mighty Mice
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Absolutely no worries! Thought you were busting balls from prior convo re: Roseman.I didn't realize it was a fishing tweet. Admittedly I've had a few today but when I saw that Tweet I was like "damn, no wonder this guy hasn't gotten a job yet"No, just thought you were kidding. Lots of others (SF, NYG, CLE) are all immediately interested. We're not. Speculation is he's too 'strong willed' for our GM.He didn't really ask for all that stuff. No biggie, miscommunication.I can't tell, but do you guys think I'm kidding or really don't like the guy? I mentioned previously that if we, and others, aren't interviewing or hiring him there has to be a reason. That would be a pretty big reason, no?
Onwards and upwards. Hire Pederson, resign Bradford, etc.
#sameteam
Let's all celebrate Washington losing and hope we don't hire Coughlin and sign free-agent-to-be Kirk Cousins to a long term deal... I would not like that.
ETA: not so much 'fishing' as Ratto is a 'humorist.' He's entertaining, and I like him.
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Mighty Mice
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Domination
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I need opinions...
Due to the choices left in the AFC, I find myself rooting for the Chiefs. I have no ill will towards Andy, but I am leery of wanting them to go too far. If Andy is successful, I can already hear the commentators saying how dumb we were.
Pull for the Chiefs or the Broncos?
- no chance of the other two
Due to the choices left in the AFC, I find myself rooting for the Chiefs. I have no ill will towards Andy, but I am leery of wanting them to go too far. If Andy is successful, I can already hear the commentators saying how dumb we were.
Pull for the Chiefs or the Broncos?
- no chance of the other two
babydemon90
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I'm pulling for the Chiefs. Andy needed a fresh start as much as we did - he brought a lot of good football to Philly, so I'll wish him the best.
Bigboy10182000
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Give me a Cards and Pats SB and I'd be happy.
The two teams that beat us when we got closest to the SB! haha.
But I agree, I don't mind the Cards. I actually like the Patriots... well, I respect them and think they get a lot of unvalidated hate... they're also fun to watch.
In the NFC I hate seattle, am indifferent on the other 3. Kinda pulling for a Tom/Cam SB though.
Autumn Wind
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I have to say, at this point I think Coughlin is the HC candidate I would feel best about. None of the available coordinators fill me with confidence. I feel like Coughlin would fit well into the organization, in that he is not likely to be any challenge or threat to Lurie and Roseman. I think he instantly gains buy-in and support from the players, which with this roster is good for at least an extra two wins.
Is he a brilliant tactician or in-game coach? No, not really. But as a credible coach to guide the ship for the next 2-3 years while a more exhaustive search is performed, I think he's a good fit.
Is he a brilliant tactician or in-game coach? No, not really. But as a credible coach to guide the ship for the next 2-3 years while a more exhaustive search is performed, I think he's a good fit.
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GoBirds
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Bradford and it's not close.....I see a lot of Nick Foles in Cousins. We can sign Foles alot cheaper.
I think it's close. But given Bradford's comfort in our offense and with our guys, I want him. We also may have seen KC peek, but Bradford looks like he's getting better by the game this year. Excited to see him with a full offseason.
Bigboy10182000
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I was sitting around yesterday watching NFLN and at the bottom they have all the teams who need a HC along with who they interviewed and who they planned to interview. There's a LOT of guys like this from what I could see
While you're right about interest seemingly lukewarm to non-existent on him, no one else in the league has the insight on the guy as we do. Maybe there are qualities that the front office and existing players/coaches saw in him when he was here before that other teams aren't privy to. My concern with Pederson is that he's very limited in the people he has worked with. What connections could he possibly have as far as bringing in a DC?
Ya but it's a copy cat league. You'd think if we brought him in then others would at least take a look at him. Other teams aren't dumb, if he's got some potential to be a great head coach they'll see it and ask for an interview I'd think.
I'm starting to buy into the idea that he is THE guy we want though and that maybe we don't want to really show our interest for him that much. We jump right away to interview Gase for 8 hours. Then we need to schedule some more interviews to not show our hand that we want Pederson (and also to calm the Philly fans from going nuts as to why we haven't done more interviews), so we throw an interview at McAdoo, because hey if we're going to have some fake interviews, we may as well get some insight on how to beat the Giants next year.
Then we bring in Pederson quietly for a quick 3 hour interview and send him on his way. Then so people don't think we've agreed to anything with him, let's bring in Coughlin, the guy that will cause the most media buzz/controversy out there and take the attention off Pederson.
Insein
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What connections can a QB Coach from green bay have had? Apparently Jim Johnson. Let's hope Pederson learned that from Andy.
Mighty Mice
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This is actually one of the bigger 'pros' Pederson brings to the table in the should we or shouldn't we hire him to be the HC:
http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/blogs/sports/eagles&id=364860351
"Start scrolling through his career, and you realize that he is pretty much the Kevin Bacon of NFL assistants. He has direct experience with an amazing number of offensive and defensive schemes thanks to his time as a journeyman quarterback. One of the biggest challenges facing any new coach is the task of building a quality coaching staff. A new head coach can't hire coordinators who are under contract elsewhere, which means he needs to rely on first and second-hand knowledge of position coaches across the league in order to find one capable of the task. That's a problem for a lot of head coaching candidates, given that many of them have spent their careers as assistants following the same head coaches around. It isn't nececessarily that they are a poor judge of talent or scheme. It's that they've only ever really been immersed in a small selection of schemes with a small selection of coaches.
That right there is the appeal of Pederson.
In addition to the Reid coaching tree, he has played under Mike Holmgren, Darrell Bevell, Romeo Crennel, Joe Philbin, Mike Sherman, Tom Rossley, Todd Bowles, Marty Mornhinweg.
He is currently on a staff with defensive coordintor Bob Sutton, whose unit has ranked fifth, second and third in points over the last three years and 24th, seventh and seventh in yards. He was a long time assistant for the Jets under Eric Mangini and Rex Ryan, including a stint as a defensive coordinator of a staff that included future Legion of Boom DC(and current Falcons head coach) Dan Quinn and current Bills DC Dennis Thurman."
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Bigboy10182000
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That's all huge and one of the more underrated aspects of finding a HC IMO. A fan will look right at the #'s. Take Gase for instance....the fan just looks at where his units rank in the league as if the guy can bring all of his previous talent with him. The bigger part is how well connected he is and what kind of coaches he can bring in, something that fans just cant see.
Nice. Wonder if Sutton is a candidate to come be our DC? Would he leave with Pederson? Would be pretty happy with a Pederson, Shurmur, Sutton combo.
modogg
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and one of my biggest concerns with Pederson is that he just brings in a boring offense. I'm only basing that on what we have seen, but what i loved about Chip was that he tried something new and brought an exciting element to the gameplan. I get nervous seeing what pederson has overseen in the past, and with this KC offense the past few years, we are in for a lot of boring games. If it means wins that is cool i guess, but i like the excitement factor is possible
Billy Bats
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I know KC runs some sort of hybrid offense, but it's mostly built around a west coast style base, right? Not sure I feel like going back down that road.
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or what mo said. Good timing, I'm with ya.
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or what mo said. Good timing, I'm with ya.
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GoBirds
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Doubt it because it's a lateral move and if we want Bradford do we stay with Shumer?
Seems like a lot less leaks and speculation this time around doesn't it?
Best news is the division isn't strong.....I'm excited to get someone in and see what they do. Will they keep Sam and try to compete right away or are we developing a QB? Hope the 1st with the state of the division.
Don't think there's any way we lose Sam. Any coach would franchise him over starting Sanchez in his first year
The silver lining is that I think Shurmur learned a lot from Chip in that sense. I'm hoping Pederson would give Shurmur a bit more control of running the offense then Chip did.
Mighty Mice
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I think it's safe to assume Pederson, as a Reid disciple in GB and PHI as a player, under Holmgren and Sherman as a player, then under Andy for 7 years as a coach, would run a variant of the GB/Reid WCO. Which has always seemed effective across the board, in GB/PHI/KC, characterized by a versatile back and running game (see Ahman Green/Westbrook/Shady/Charles).I know KC runs some sort of hybrid offense, but it's mostly built around a west coast style base, right? Not sure I feel like going back down that road.
ETA:
The biggest knock on Andy's O was/is his reluctance to bring in top-notch WRs, both in Philly for a long stretch, then his first two years in KC. It completely restricted the offense. Look at how it bloomed when he acquired TO, and later DJax/Maclin, and in KC with Maclin.
Imagine Reid's offense with a great WR corps and clock management skills. I think that's Pederson's upside...the Reid offense, but learning from watching/seeing his mentor taking that offense to higher highs with talent at WR.
modogg
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well, if Pederson becomes head coach i would suggest bailing and fading Ertz in fantasy for awhile. Every year i love the hype for Kelce.I think it's safe to assume Pederson, as a Reid disciple in GB and PHI as a player, under Holmgren and Sherman as a player, then under Andy for 7 years as a coach, would run a variant of the GB/Reid WCO. Which has always seemed effective across the board, in GB/PHI/KC, characterized by a versatile back and running game (see Ahman Green/Westbrook/Shady/Charles).I know KC runs some sort of hybrid offense, but it's mostly built around a west coast style base, right? Not sure I feel like going back down that road.
ETA:
The biggest knock on Andy's O was/is his reluctance to bring in top-notch WRs, both in Philly for a long stretch, then his first two years in KC. It completely restricted the offense. Look at how it bloomed when he acquired TO, and later DJax/Maclin, and in KC with Maclin.
Imagine Reid's offense with a great WR corps and clock management skills. I think that's Pederson's upside...the Reid offense, but learning from watching/seeing his mentor taking that offense to higher highs with talent at WR.
Mighty Mice
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Read on BGN Eagles and Coughlin are close, but some contractual sticking points with Medicare Part D and Social Security offsets are holding things up. Also some pre-existing conditions need to be detailed. 
Howie has his work cut out for him.
Howie has his work cut out for him.
Gosh I hope not. Do we really want to see THIS every week?Read on BGN Eagles and Coughlin are close, but some contractual sticking points with Medicare Part D and Social Security offsets are holding things up. Also some pre-existing conditions need to be detailed.
Howie has his work cut out for him.
Long Ball Larry
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Is this a Ray Ratto alias?Read on BGN Eagles and Coughlin are close, but some contractual sticking points with Medicare Part D and Social Security offsets are holding things up. Also some pre-existing conditions need to be detailed.
Howie has his work cut out for him.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Bradford is right in his prime now - you can get a solid 5-6 years imo - if we can work a deal with him that keeps us in ok cap shape, we do it.
GoBirds
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Dude is pushing 70......are we going to sign him for half a season? If they were worried about Chip relating to players is a guy a half century older the answer?Gosh I hope not. Do we really want to see THIS every week?Read on BGN Eagles and Coughlin are close, but some contractual sticking points with Medicare Part D and Social Security offsets are holding things up. Also some pre-existing conditions need to be detailed.
Howie has his work cut out for him.
Mighty Mice
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I was being sarcastic. No reports we are close that I've seen.Is this a Ray Ratto alias?Read on BGN Eagles and Coughlin are close, but some contractual sticking points with Medicare Part D and Social Security offsets are holding things up. Also some pre-existing conditions need to be detailed.
Howie has his work cut out for him.
Almost went with 'Murder She Wrote' and 'Judge Judy' film studies and 'Soft Food Tuesdays.'
He's only 70??Dude is pushing 70......are we going to sign him for half a season? If they were worried about Chip relating to players is a guy a half century older the answer?Gosh I hope not. Do we really want to see THIS every week?Read on BGN Eagles and Coughlin are close, but some contractual sticking points with Medicare Part D and Social Security offsets are holding things up. Also some pre-existing conditions need to be detailed.
Howie has his work cut out for him.
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