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Official 2016 Pittsburgh Steelers Thread (1 Viewer)

Throw out the records for this one. It will be another game decided by 3 points and will probably come down to turnover differential. I'm feeling very uneasy.

 
It's been Steelers/Ravens Week over at MMQB. Here is one article where personnel from both teams down through the years talk about the rivalry.

 
Yeah that was a bummer but if we can't beat the Ravens at home then the likelihood of doing anything in the playoffs is remote. 

 
If we can win this game though, things are setting up nicely. A win today clinches the 3 seed as near as I can figure. So they can use the week 17 game against Cleveland as a tune-up/bye week. 

1st round would likely bring Matt Moore and the Dolphins to the frigid confines of Heinz Field. 2nd round would be a trip west to face Matt McGloin and the Raiders. 

I like our chances of getting to an AFCC showdown in Foxboro with this road. 

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
If we can win this game though, things are setting up nicely. A win today clinches the 3 seed as near as I can figure. So they can use the week 17 game against Cleveland as a tune-up/bye week. 

1st round would likely bring Matt Moore and the Dolphins to the frigid confines of Heinz Field. 2nd round would be a trip west to face Matt McGloin and the Raiders. 

I like our chances of getting to an AFCC showdown in Foxboro with this road. 
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Have you seen Jay Ajayi run lately? Like maybe when Miami steamrolled us earlier this year? And Matt Moore doesn't look terrible. Plus it is getting tough to see a scenario where any team beats the Patriots up there. I'd say things are setting up poorly.

 
pecorino said:
Have you seen Jay Ajayi run lately? Like maybe when Miami steamrolled us earlier this year? And Matt Moore doesn't look terrible. Plus it is getting tough to see a scenario where any team beats the Patriots up there. I'd say things are setting up poorly.
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Patriots are going to be there. There's no stopping that unless KC or Houston can knock them off. 

Steelers run defense has improved since October and while that game was in 85 degree weather in Miami, this one will be January at Heinz. I'd rather see Miami coming in than Baltimore or Kansas City at this point. The Dolphins just squeaked by Buffalo on the road, a team we pretty thoroughly dominated just 2 weeks ago. 

I know you're the eternal pessimist but if I offered you Roethlisberger vs. Moore and McGloin in the first two rounds of the playoffs earlier this season, I think you'd have signed up for that. 

 
Yep, it is setting up nicely for the Steelers, if they can win today, but if the Chiefs win tonight and next week and the Raiders lost next week, the Chiefs would snag the AFC West and the 2 seed. 

And then the first round would feature Matt Savage vs. Matt McGloin.   :toilet:

 
Ghost Rider said:
Yep, it is setting up nicely for the Steelers, if they can win today, but if the Chiefs win tonight and next week and the Raiders lost next week, the Chiefs would snag the AFC West and the 2 seed. 

And then the first round would feature Matt Savage vs. Matt McGloin.   :toilet:
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Oooof. 

I'd rather head to Oakland than Arrowhead at this point given the Carr injury but I feel like this team can win in either venue. Enough looking ahead though, the season rides on this game today. I'm getting ahead of myself. 

 
I get why Steelers fans are nervous about this game today, but I'll be surprised if the Ravens win. The Steelers are simply a better team and they usually show up for the big games (road games against bad teams are when Tomlin's Steelers often do not show up).  

As a fan of the sport, knowing that my Broncos do not have the offensive line to do any real damage this year, I'll take a Patriots/Steelers AFCCG.  :hifive:

 
Ghost Rider said:
I get why Steelers fans are nervous about this game today, but I'll be surprised if the Ravens win. The Steelers are simply a better team and they usually show up for the big games (road games against bad teams are when Tomlin's Steelers often do not show up).  

As a fan of the sport, knowing that my Broncos do not have the offensive line to do any real damage this year, I'll take a Patriots/Steelers AFCCG.  :hifive:
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Cheers to that! Merry Christmas GB. 

 
I try not to get too up or too down about games but my heart was pounding there at the end...and I would have been throwing stuff if they had lost. Best present all day!

 
And this is why I'm never comfortable going into a Baltimore game.  It doesn't matter how good we are or how bad they are.  They always play us tough.  

 
Bell is just amazing.  If they continue to make him the focal point, they will be tough for any defense to stop.  Hopefully Tuitt and Green are back in 2 weeks.   Things are setting up nicely.

 
Antonio Brown is unbelievable. What strength, what heart. Guy weighs less than 200 pounds. That was a season saving play. 

 
I don't think next week's game means anything.  The 3 Bs and anyone nursing an injury should NOT play.  Nice time for Jarvis Jones to show the league if he has anything.

By the way, It should be mentioned that Lawrence Timmons has been playing at an extraordinary level.

 
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Next week's game is completely meaningless. Treat it like a bye week or a preseason game, gets guys a little work and then run out the 2s and 3s.

Timmons has been fantastic, I totally agree. Hopefully he'll want to re-sign for a reasonable length/money. I don't know if I see it, though. They seem to have committed to Vince long-term and they have a few important guys to extend this off-season. 

 
Pretty sure I'm pulling for the Broncos from here on out. Much rather face McGloin and the Raiders if we can get through Miami (or Denver) than having to go to Arrowhead. 

Edit : should have said rooting for the Broncos tonight but the Raiders next week. 

 
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Shocked, happily so, that the offense could recover after two terrible turnovers deep in our own end. Great win, super impressed with Bell and Brown.

The defense needs to get healthy in the next two weeks. Looking like Miami, right?

 
pecorino said:
Shocked, happily so, that the offense could recover after two terrible turnovers deep in our own end. Great win, super impressed with Bell and Brown.

The defense needs to get healthy in the next two weeks. Looking like Miami, right?
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Most likely. However, if KC loses at San Diego next week and the Dolphins beat the Pats in Miami, then it's KC at Pittsburgh. That's the only way that it's anyone but Miami. Chiefs can end up with either the 2 seed, 5 seed, or 6 seed depending on how next week plays out. 

 
Pats should to have to play to win in Miami too. If they lose and the Raiders win in Denver, Oakland gets the 1 seed and the Pats face the prospect of going on the road for the AFCC. I'd think they learned their lesson on that last year. 

 
Although Antonio's drive to the goal line is what everyone will (and should) remember from that last drive, I hope that people will also remember  Eli's leap in the air a few plays earlier. That was an incredible grab. 

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Antonio Brown is unbelievable. What strength, what heart. Guy weighs less than 200 pounds. That was a season saving play. 
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He's so smart too. Earlier in the drive he ran back a step to get out of bounds rather than going for an extra couple of yards. How many WRs are that aware of their situation? 

 
timschochet said:
He's so smart too. Earlier in the drive he ran back a step to get out of bounds rather than going for an extra couple of yards. How many WRs are that aware of their situation? 
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I would assume a lot of professional WRs are aware that when you are trying to drive for the tie/win in a two-minute drill, you get out of bounds whenever possible.  It's not some indication of incredible football IQ.

I'm not saying AB isn't smart, but midway through the season, when the Steelers were down with little time left & were basically in need of a "Stanford Band" type play, rather than throwing a lateral or "being aware of the situation" at that time, he just ran up field as far as he could, & stepped out of bounds, with the clock expired.  The chances they would have successfully lateraled the ball multiple times without a penalty to score and win the game were virtually nill, but there was no advantage to doing what he did.  He did the right thing today, and then made an amazing play to seal the win, but we don't need to go to extremes to sing his praises about how smart a football player he is.  He makes mistakes, just like everybody else. 

 
timschochet said:
He's so smart too. Earlier in the drive he ran back a step to get out of bounds rather than going for an extra couple of yards. How many WRs are that aware of their situation? 
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Absolutely. That's why I will keep banging the drum for him as the league's best wide out. He may not have the size/speed combo of a Julio Jones or the sheer one-step explosion of Odell Beckham, but he might be the most complete receiver since Jerry Rice. He can get the ball in space and juke defenders out of their shoes, he can run the 9 route, return punts, almost never fails to make the sideline toe tap catch, rarely drops a ball, makes heady plays like the one you mentioned, punches way above his weight in terms of strength/power, runs every route in the tree well, provides an example with his work ethic, etc. There's nothing the guy cannot do. 

 
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timschochet said:
Although Antonio's drive to the goal line is what everyone will (and should) remember from that last drive, I hope that people will also remember  Eli's leap in the air a few plays earlier. That was an incredible grab. 
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It was a great play by AB; however I think it was a mistake on Ben's part.  With no timeouts, you have to go sidelines/endzone in that situation; you can't throw an inside route short of the endzone.  If AB doesn't make that herculean effort to get the ball across the GL, it's very possible the Steelers don't get lined up to clock the ball, thus costing them the shot at the FG, and the game.

 
Bayhawks said:
I would assume a lot of professional WRs are aware that when you are trying to drive for the tie/win in a two-minute drill, you get out of bounds whenever possible.  It's not some indication of incredible football IQ.

I'm not saying AB isn't smart, but midway through the season, when the Steelers were down with little time left & were basically in need of a "Stanford Band" type play, rather than throwing a lateral or "being aware of the situation" at that time, he just ran up field as far as he could, & stepped out of bounds, with the clock expired.  The chances they would have successfully lateraled the ball multiple times without a penalty to score and win the game were virtually nill, but there was no advantage to doing what he did.  He did the right thing today, and then made an amazing play to seal the win, but we don't need to go to extremes to sing his praises about how smart a football player he is.  He makes mistakes, just like everybody else. 
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It wasn't even about knowing he needed to get out of bounds, it was the way he did it. He was cut off to the sideline but baited the DB with a cut inside, then turned back outside to get to the sideline. It was a brilliant piece of running. 

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Absolutely. That's why I will keep banging the drum for him as the league's best wide out. He may not have the size/speed combo of a Julio Jones or the sheer one-step explosion of Odell Beckham, but he might be the most complete receiver since Jerry Rice. He can get the ball in space and juke defenders out of their shoes, he can run the 9 route, return punts, almost never fails to make the sideline to e-paper catch, rarely drops a ball, makes heady plays like the one you mentioned, punches way above his weight in terms of strength/power, runs every route in the tree well, provides an example with his work ethic, etc. There's nothing the guy cannot do. 
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I don't think that's a drum you need to bang.  While you can make an argument for Beckham or Jones, at this moment, right now, Brown is the best WR in the NFL. 

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
It wasn't even about knowing he needed to get out of bounds, it was the way he did it. He was cut off to the sideline but baited the DB with a cut inside, then turned back outside to get to the sideline. It was a brilliant piece of running. 
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Absolutely correct.  Knowing you need to get out of bounds, and being able to do it (especially on that play) are two different things though.  He shouldn't have been able to get out of bounds; the DB should have taken an outside angle & forced him back inside; giving up a few yards in exchange for seconds off the clock or a Pitt timeout.  However, when AB made that inside move, it didn't look like he'd be able to reverse field & get back out; when the DB made the effort to tackle him, AB left him tackling air.  That's his physical talent, though, not indication of how smart he is.  Like I posted previously, a would think the vast majority of pro WRs know they should try to get out of bounds in that situation.  I'm not sure how many would have been able to do so, however.

 
Bayhawks said:
I don't think that's a drum you need to bang.  While you can make an argument for Beckham or Jones, at this moment, right now, Brown is the best WR in the NFL. 
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I agree totally but if I'm not mistaken I saw a feature on ESPN recently that had him ranked 3rd or 4th. This season, he hasn't had quite the state line some expected, with no real threat on the other side, he's been facing nearly non-stop double teams. I'm hoping next year will see a healthy Coates and the return of Martavis Bryant, which would really open things up for AB. 

 
Bayhawks said:
I don't think that's a drum you need to bang.  While you can make an argument for Beckham or Jones, at this moment, right now, Brown is the best WR in the NFL. 
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But I think Evilgrin is not simply saying that Brown is the best WR right now; he's suggesting that Brown might be the best we've seen since Jerry Rice, which means Brown is among the very very few that we could call the best ever to play. 

 
Bayhawks said:
Absolutely correct.  Knowing you need to get out of bounds, and being able to do it (especially on that play) are two different things though.  He shouldn't have been able to get out of bounds; the DB should have taken an outside angle & forced him back inside; giving up a few yards in exchange for seconds off the clock or a Pitt timeout.  However, when AB made that inside move, it didn't look like he'd be able to reverse field & get back out; when the DB made the effort to tackle him, AB left him tackling air.  That's his physical talent, though, not indication of how smart he is.  Like I posted previously, a would think the vast majority of pro WRs know they should try to get out of bounds in that situation.  I'm not sure how many would have been able to do so, however.
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I think it's both. Knowing how to set a DB up to make that play is a big part of it, and having the athletic talent to execute is obviously crucial as well. 

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
I agree totally but if I'm not mistaken I saw a feature on ESPN recently that had him ranked 3rd or 4th. This season, he hasn't had quite the state line some expected, with no real threat on the other side, he's been facing nearly non-stop double teams. I'm hoping next year will see a healthy Coates and the return of Martavis Bryant, which would really open things up for AB. 
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Seriously? :loco:

When a WR has a down year of 110+ catches, 1300+ yards, and 12+ TDs, that should be an argument that he IS the #1 WR, not that he IS NOT.

 
timschochet said:
But I think Evilgrin is not simply saying that Brown is the best WR right now; he's suggesting that Brown might be the best we've seen since Jerry Rice, which means Brown is among the very very few that we could call the best ever to play. 
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Injury and whomever takes the snaps for the Steelers after Ben retires could be mitigating factors. If things break right for him, he could end up in the conversation for #2 all time. His maniacal (and very Rice-like) workout regimen could keep him viable well into his 30s, just like Rice was. He needs to stay healthy and stay in a good situation but if both of those things occur, he's ticketed for Canton easily. 

 
Evilgrin 72 said:
Injury and whomever takes the snaps for the Steelers after Ben retires could be mitigating factors. If things break right for him, he could end up in the conversation for #2 all time. His maniacal (and very Rice-like) workout regimen could keep him viable well into his 30s, just like Rice was. He needs to stay healthy and stay in a good situation but if both of those things occur, he's ticketed for Canton easily. 
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Yeah, Rice for all his gifts had TWO Hall of Fame QBs throwing to him- how many guys get that lucky? 

 
timschochet said:
But I think Evilgrin is not simply saying that Brown is the best WR right now; he's suggesting that Brown might be the best we've seen since Jerry Rice, which means Brown is among the very very few that we could call the best ever to play. 
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OK, that's getting into arguments that are almost always flawed.  If some earlier WRs had played their careers in today's NFL, with the rules benefiting the passing game/WRs one would assume their stats would be better. 

That being said, it's a very safe bet to make that Brown can be a top-5, all time, WR when he retires.

 
timschochet said:
Yeah, Rice for all his gifts had TWO Hall of Fame QBs throwing to him- how many guys get that lucky? 
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There's the rub.  Steelers don't have any one in the pipeline, and Brown has looked much more mortal when anyone but Ben was behind center.  If they can hit on a QB of the future pick in the next year or two, that would be big.

 
timschochet said:
Yeah, Rice for all his gifts had TWO Hall of Fame QBs throwing to him- how many guys get that lucky? 
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Even in his twilight years, he played with Gannon in an offense that chucked the ball around. I have no idea if AB is going to have the desire to play anywhere near as long as Rice did, but he reminds me more of Jerry than any other great receiver in terms of his preparation and his game. He's only 28 so he could theoretically have a lot of years left to keep piling up numbers. 

One other thing to consider though is that the continuing emergence of information about concussions and CTE could drive a lot more players into earlier retirement than we used to see. I could easily see guys secure a couple of big contracts and end up walking away while they can still play at a high level just to avoid future problems. Calvin Johnson already blazed the path, and I couldn't really fault anyone for following it. 

 
Bayhawks said:
It was a great play by AB; however I think it was a mistake on Ben's part.  With no timeouts, you have to go sidelines/endzone in that situation; you can't throw an inside route short of the endzone.  If AB doesn't make that herculean effort to get the ball across the GL, it's very possible the Steelers don't get lined up to clock the ball, thus costing them the shot at the FG, and the game.
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Pretty sure the play was going to AB no matter what. It was intended for AB to go deeper but the DB's played it perfectly and cut his path shorter. If the obvious facemask had been called the clock would have stopped but glad it wasn't needed.

 
3C's said:
Pretty sure the play was going to AB no matter what. It was intended for AB to go deeper but the DB's played it perfectly and cut his path shorter. If the obvious facemask had been called the clock would have stopped but glad it wasn't needed.
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The score happened with 9 seconds. If Brown doesn't get in, the Steelers could have spiked the ball if they were quick enough. Glad we didn't have to test their speed skills in liking up. Nine seconds seems tight, even with home cooking from the clock manager.

 
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