What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

Welcome to Our Forums. Once you've registered and logged in, you're primed to talk football, among other topics, with the sharpest and most experienced fantasy players on the internet.

*Official 2017 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Parade of Champions Down Broad Street! (1 Viewer)

Geoff Mosher laid out a decent plan that at first seemed crazy but it grew on me a bit.

First Oline, if Peters doesn't take a paycut, let him go. Move Lane to LT. Cut or trade Kelce. Seomalu to Center. Sign Ronald Leary at guard. Sign a RT cast off to compete with Vaitai.

Second, trade Jordan Matthews for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Sign Victor Cruz to be the slot for a year or 2. Draft or sign outside WRs that can go deep. His reasoning is that Matthews is going to ask for a contract better than Tavon Austin's. So something like 5 yr, $50+mil. That's just not worth it for a slot WR.

Seems crazy on the surface but pretty decent idea for the cap.

http://www.4phillysports.com/single-post/2017/02/17/Three-Risky-Moves-The-Eagles-Can-Make-This-Offseason

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Nelson Aghlor

DGB

Jordan Matthews

Paul Turner

Bryce Treggs

Thats how. Advanced stats had that as the worst group in th NFL. 

The 04 thing really doesn't apply here. We went 7-9 with a rookie HC and QB, while facing the best schedule in the league with the worst WR's and CB's in football. We are a LOT closer than you're leading on. We have two huge gaping holes and they need stability. Every name besides Jeffery is not stability at all. It's a penny in a well
Click to expand...
My problem is Jeffrey would take a huge amount of cap space and with possible work ethic issues is he really a guy we want with our young WRs? I'll take a guy a little less talented as a stop gap then bring in a guy who has some a lot of red flags and take a huge amount of our cap. 

 
Insein said:
Geoff Mosher laid out a decent plan that at first seemed crazy but it grew on me a bit.

First Oline, if Peters doesn't take a paycut, let him go. Move Lane to LT. Cut or trade Kelce. Seomalu to Center. Sign Ronald Leary at guard. Sign a RT cast off to compete with Vaitai.

Second, trade Jordan Matthews for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. Sign Victor Cruz to be the slot for a year or 2. Draft or sign outside WRs that can go deep. His reasoning is that Matthews is going to ask for a contract better than Tavon Austin's. So something like 5 yr, $50+mil. That's just not worth it for a slot WR.

Seems crazy on the surface but pretty decent idea for the cap.

http://www.4phillysports.com/single-post/2017/02/17/Three-Risky-Moves-The-Eagles-Can-Make-This-Offseason
Click to expand...
I want nothing to do with Victor Cruz at this time. Very injury prone. Maybe 5 yrs ago yes but not now. 

 
Slider said:
Kupp is working out with Wentz. That's interesting. 
Click to expand...
That is interesting. Wentz is a workaholic, which is good. He needs smarter WRs with hands. Glad Miami is dumber and plans to resign Stills. Forget Jeffrey as well. He'll just end up hurt as always.

 
DJackson10 said:
I want nothing to do with Victor Cruz at this time. Very injury prone. Maybe 5 yrs ago yes but not now. 
Click to expand...
I agree on the surface. But looking at his stats in the limited time he played, I think he'd be a fine stop gap for a year. Plus he's be way cheaper than JMatt. If he gets hurt, we have other slot WRs. It's the easier WR position to fill and we don't want to invest huge into that spot.

 
Insein said:
I agree on the surface. But looking at his stats in the limited time he played, I think he'd be a fine stop gap for a year. Plus he's be way cheaper than JMatt. If he gets hurt, we have other slot WRs. It's the easier WR position to fill and we don't want to invest huge into that spot.
Click to expand...
Cruz would be a total waste of money. He had stats because they threw a ton and OBJ pulled double coverage. He still got benched. There's no one pulling a safety here and he's not beating any#1 or 2 CB.

Britt would be a decent signing now that we have the coach that got the most out of him.

 
Slider said:
Cruz would be a total waste of money. He had stats because they threw a ton and OBJ pulled double coverage. He still got benched. There's no one pulling a safety here and he's not beating any#1 or 2 CB.

Britt would be a decent signing now that we have the coach that got the most out of him.
Click to expand...
Well if not Cruz, then Turner, or DGB or whoever. The point is, they can't pay Jordan Matthews. So trade him now.

 
Jordan would be fine once we get a true outside guy. He's no #1 but he could be very productive here if we sign a guy for the outside and draft one. 

 
Slider said:
Jordan would be fine once we get a true outside guy. He's no #1 but he could be very productive here if we sign a guy for the outside and draft one. 
Click to expand...
Sign a guy on the outside for Big money? And then pay Matthews big money? I don't like it. Matthews is a slot guy. You don't pay slot guys big money unless they're name is Wes Welker and even then it wasnt $11m per year.

 
DJackson10 said:
My problem is Jeffrey would take a huge amount of cap space and with possible work ethic issues is he really a guy we want with our young WRs? I'll take a guy a little less talented as a stop gap then bring in a guy who has some a lot of red flags and take a huge amount of our cap. 
Click to expand...
Dude any good Wr is going to get a nice amount of money. We are not paying any QB, RB or WR money right now. Paying one will not make a difference. 

And the last thing i am worried about is a mentor for our young WRs. 

If we had a top 20-25 WR you and I wouldn't even be having this conversation. I wouldn't want Jeffery at all. As it stands now he's a must. 

 
Insein said:
Sign a guy on the outside for Big money? And then pay Matthews big money? I don't like it. Matthews is a slot guy. You don't pay slot guys big money unless they're name is Wes Welker and even then it wasnt $11m per year.
Click to expand...
The market will set his price. 

 
Insein said:
I agree on the surface. But looking at his stats in the limited time he played, I think he'd be a fine stop gap for a year. Plus he's be way cheaper than JMatt. If he gets hurt, we have other slot WRs. It's the easier WR position to fill and we don't want to invest huge into that spot.
Click to expand...
Like someone else said that was more because OBJ was drawing double coverage. He was then benched after awhile for Sheppard and others. 

 
Insein said:
Sign a guy on the outside for Big money? And then pay Matthews big money? I don't like it. Matthews is a slot guy. You don't pay slot guys big money unless they're name is Wes Welker and even then it wasnt $11m per year.
Click to expand...
The thing is Austin's contract really F'ed things up. Matthews is a way better overall player then Austin who's one trick pony. Return specialist and guy good for Reverses and trick plays. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Dude any good Wr is going to get a nice amount of money. We are not paying any QB, RB or WR money right now. Paying one will not make a difference. 

And the last thing i am worried about is a mentor for our young WRs. 

If we had a top 20-25 WR you and I wouldn't even be having this conversation. I wouldn't want Jeffery at all. As it stands now he's a must. 
Click to expand...
Again I'm not a fan of Jeffrey. I see him as the same light as a TO character wise but less talented. I've been following him since his college days and there's always been talks about his work ethic and all. I just think signing Jeffrey we'd have buyers remorse in similar fashion we have had with Nnamdia and the other CBs but this time at WR. I'm fine going with stop gap WRs because we can't upgrade every position like we can on the tight cap space we already have. We need to be smart with the cap we have right now. I'm just not a Jeffrey fan at all. 

 
babydemon90 said:
Sign Britt, draft a guy in the 1st or 2nd.  BPA still in the 1st, but I'm hoping a great CB is there.  
Click to expand...
I want one of the CBs or Cook. Honestly how many yrs can you go drafting WRs high? I think there's a few guys later in the draft who could pain out. I'm not as high on the WRs early in this draft as years past. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Who? 

None of the names out there seem like they would be work FA money. 
Click to expand...
Ted Ginn Jr could be had for less then Jackson, Lafell and Micheal Floyd wouldn't be bad moves, Brian Quick if he can stay healthy could become really nice piece, Marlus Wheaton and I wouldn't be opposed to Inman. 

 
DJackson10 said:
Ted Ginn Jr could be had for less then Jackson, Lafell and Micheal Floyd wouldn't be bad moves, Brian Quick if he can stay healthy could become really nice piece, Marlus Wheaton and I wouldn't be opposed to Inman. 
Click to expand...
Throw me a stat line for all of them when you have a minute. I'm curious to see what your expectations are. 

 
Stills or Britt and a 2nd round pick would do at WR, then in one and three go CB. We could even trade down if teams hold off on CB because it's so deep. Seems like an easy draft to predict once FA shakes out, it's strong where we need it to be 

 
Teez Tabor, CB - Florida

So Bucky Brooks has him going to the Eagles and Casserly has him number 14, but Jeremiah and Zierlein don't have him in the first round at all?

What is the deal here?

 
JetMaxx said:
That's odd because the article states the pick is a compensatory selection and they can't be traded. 
Click to expand...
here is a more detailed breakdown: http://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-will-receive-browns-fourth-round-compensatory-pick-part-wentz-deal/

When the Eagles traded up from the eighth-overall pick to the second-overall pick in the 2016 draft, the Eagles categorized the trade as such:


Browns get 


Eagles get 


 2016 1st round pick (8th overall)


2016 1st round pick (2nd overall) 


2016 3rd round pick (77th overall) 


2017 4th round pick 


2016 4th round pick (100th overall) 


 


 2017 1st round pick


 


 2018 2nd round pick


 


That wasn't necessarily accurate. The Eagles did not receive the Browns' original fourth-round pick. Rather, the Browns agreed to give the Eagles a fourth-round compensatory pick at the tail end of the fourth round if they were awarded one. If they were not awarded a compensatory pick in the fourth round, the Eagles would instead receive a fifth-round pick.

As it turns out, the Browns were awarded two fourth-round comp picks. The Eagles will receive the greater of those two picks, at 139th overall. In other words, the Eagles were guaranteed at least the 145th overall pick in the fifth round, but will now receive 139th-overall pick in the fourth round instead.

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Throw me a stat line for all of them when you have a minute. I'm curious to see what your expectations are. 
Click to expand...
I'd expect Ginn to put up similar numbers with Wentz as he did with Cam when Benjamin was out if we don't have a true #1 but with Mathews who's better then anyone else on the Panthers that year that could be easy. I could see britt or Quick getting 60-70 Rec and 750-900yds and 7TDs with the Eagles having a better overall coaching plus their WR coach. I think LaFell is always solid and I'd expect a similar stat line as to what he was doing when AJ Green was out but prodict that total for a whole season. Floyd is a tricky one. If he's successful and gets his head out of his ### I could see him getting 80 catches over 1K and close to double digit TDs he's still very talented. I think Wentz is a similar QB to Big Ben sp anywhere close to 55-60 Catches and 800yds and 5 TDs would be solid. Sorry if you were looking for concrete stats though. 

 
Long Ball Larry said:
Teez Tabor, CB - Florida

So Bucky Brooks has him going to the Eagles and Casserly has him number 14, but Jeremiah and Zierlein don't have him in the first round at all?

What is the deal here?
Click to expand...
There's some character concerns with him but I don't see them any worse then a lot of guys. Compared to Mixon he's a saint though. He got in a scuffle with another player and was suspended I believe there was a pot suspension as well. Overall he's a pretty good kid who has a lot of confidence in himself. If he gets beat never lets it effect him and he rarely got beat. He's a peg down from VH3 talent wise but he's a terrible playmaker non the less who should go in the 1st round. 

 
DJackson10 said:
thanks My friend and I were looking for a way to get in what would you suggest as the best possible options other then the lottery that wouldn't burn a huge hole in the bank account? 
Click to expand...
The lowest-cost option would be to sign-up for standby and/or to be a seat filler. Go down to draft town, enjoy all the activities and you'll be close by in case you get picked. If you don't get picked, you still might be able to stake out a decent view of the draft, from outside the theater/stage area. Word is that the leaked schematics of the set-up show even though the main area will be covered, there will still be views of it from around the parkway. 

 
What do you think the level of interest will be in Charles. I love the idea but how much does he have left?

 
Insein said:
What do you think the level of interest will be in Charles. I love the idea but how much does he have left?
Click to expand...
I'm interested to see what the market is for JC and AP, especially considering this is supposed to be the deepest RB draft in a long time.

I like the idea of taking a chance on JC, for the right price...otherwise I think this is a great year to snag a RB in rounds 3-5 and keep him at little cost for a few years.

 
Insein said:
What do you think the level of interest will be in Charles. I love the idea but how much does he have left?
Click to expand...


Long Ball Larry said:
doubt we could do either unless for a bargain basement price.  
Click to expand...
Given their age and injury history Im thinking both are getting pretty much 1 years deals.  I was actually thinking that I'd love for us to bring in AP if they could for a year or two.

 
babydemon90 said:
To remember the good FA moves we made....

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000329702/article/top-101-nfl-free-agents-for-2014

#1 - Jarius Byrd

#37 - Malcom Jenkins
Click to expand...
I remember when everyone wanted this guy and I was saying he'd be a bad move. I didn't want Jenkins and I forget who else was out there at the time that I wanted more. Safe to say I'm glad they listened to me on not getting either guy and went with Jenkins instead. I just wish the Eagles would stop insistneting putting Jenkins at Nickel CB he's not a CB and there's a reason he got moved to safety. Everytime I see him get burned on the inside it flashes me back to the title game UF/OSU and Percy Harvin beating him with ease. for big plays. 

 
Insein said:
What do you think the level of interest will be in Charles. I love the idea but how much does he have left?
Click to expand...
I don't like the idea. I think his days are numbered. I'd rather just keep Ryan Mathews if that's the case because even with his injuries when healthy and used correctly he's still an impactful player. Charles no one knows how big and if he'd have a positive impact. 

 
Bigboy10182000 said:
Given their age and injury history Im thinking both are getting pretty much 1 years deals.  I was actually thinking that I'd love for us to bring in AP if they could for a year or two.
Click to expand...
If we're talking RBs I rather just sign Latavius Murray and be done with it. I think the Eagles want to commit more to a run attack and Murray is a perfect size for a bruising back. Look what Carson did the games he had a great run game especially the Atl game. 

 
Yea, I'm not big on on signing big money at the RB spot.  If that was our only missing piece, maybe...  As it is, we need a reliable WR or two, probably need to bring in a CB also.   Pickup a RB late, Smallwood and Sproles - we're fine.  If we can get a guy inexpensively, then sure - not for big $$ tho.

 
I don't think we have to worry about spending big money. I don't see Howie going crazy this year. He's going to try to nail the 2nd and 3rd tier guys. Find a Malcolm Jenkins instead of a Byrd type of thing. I can't see any way he goes after the big ticket guys.

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

The Noid
2024 Philadelphia Eagles - Is Josh Sweat switching to Linebacker?
43 44 45
Replies
2K
Views
198K
Long Ball Larry
Long Ball Larry
The Noid
2023 Philadelphia Eagles - Complete waste of a season finally comes to an end.
140 141 142
Replies
7K
Views
531K
Cowboysfan8
Cowboysfan8
The Noid
2022 Philadelphia Eagles - Leave Gannon in Arizona and let’s run through the NFC again in 2023.
115 116 117
Replies
6K
Views
157K
Stinkin Ref
Stinkin Ref

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 2 (members: 0, guests: 2)
Top