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Marvelous: Just wanted to thank you for your contributions and insight in this thread. Much appreciated.
The Orioles will never trade Bundy for Price. Bundy has top of the rotation potential and has done nothing to make people think he won't deliver. Obviously lots of pitching prospects don't develop for a variety of reasons.As hot as Baltimore is, I kinda wish the rainout didn't happen. But it may be better for those arms to have gotten some rest.
Is Bundy for Price really a thing?
Gausman could easily be the Oriole's top starter by the end of the year. In fact, when he was in the rotation earlier this year (rather than being demoted after a start), he arguably was their best pitcher.Well, all right.
First 3-game AL East lead for the O's since May of 2005 - when Hayden Penn was the winning pitcher.
I am so not worked up about the Gausman thing. He's the swing guy right now, he has options, and - as noted above - they are limiting his innings to keep him fresh for September, while also keeping his service clock from running. He's only missing 1 big league start with this demotion, since they plan to bring him back after the Break. Kid is only 23, so I'm good with all of that. But, he is pretty much their #2 pitcher after Tillman right now, and I think he is going to be a regular in the rotation during the second half.
Manny is on fire. Fun to watch. Jones and especially Cruz have carried them, as did Pearce for a while, and now they're starting to get contributions from everywhere. Too bad about Wieters, but Joseph has done a great job behind the plate.
This team is going to score runs, and the bullpen is strong. My only concern remains if the starters' struggles are going to wear the 'pen out too soon. At this point, I'm ready to pull the trigger on a trade like Bundy for David Price. With a true #1 pitcher, this team is a World Series contender. But without him, this team has nothing but some middle to back of the rotation starters.
Still, so much fun to watch every night. Also fun to see the Red Sox 10 games back.
Good info here. Surprised they don't have any of the traffic info on camdemchat.com.Ugh, sorry you had a bad time Marvelous. I feel bad for not having given you a warning about the construction, though I didn't realize you were coming from Loudon.
Exit 52 - Russell St/B-W Parkway is a disaster northbound heading into the city because they've taken away at least one lane as they finish construction on the hideous casino being wedged into a lot next to a self-storage place just south of the football stadium.
395 is a nightmare trying to get out of town because they've had one lane closed for weeks as they try to do some repairs to the concrete in that giant sky bridge that connects it to 95.
For future reference, if anyone is coming from DC take 395 into town and then take 295/B-W Parkway to get out of town.
Like pretty much everything else in Maryland, the state's approach to casinos has been reactionary, poorly implemented, and dictated by the state Democratic Party and the rich businessman who own its members.Good info here. Surprised they don't have any of the traffic info on camdemchat.com.Ugh, sorry you had a bad time Marvelous. I feel bad for not having given you a warning about the construction, though I didn't realize you were coming from Loudon.
Exit 52 - Russell St/B-W Parkway is a disaster northbound heading into the city because they've taken away at least one lane as they finish construction on the hideous casino being wedged into a lot next to a self-storage place just south of the football stadium.
395 is a nightmare trying to get out of town because they've had one lane closed for weeks as they try to do some repairs to the concrete in that giant sky bridge that connects it to 95.
For future reference, if anyone is coming from DC take 395 into town and then take 295/B-W Parkway to get out of town.
I actually played candy crush on my phone while in traffic leaving the stadium, even when the lights were green. In stop and go traffic, we would go between 0-12 feet, then come to a stop for the next cycle of a light.
That seems like a really odd place to put a casino. They usually put them in out of the way places where they can develop a new tourist destination. Near a city downtown seems really out of place.
I wrote in the Nats thread that the NL East is there for the taking for the Nats. Hard to believe, but the AL East is not that good and could be there for the taking for the Orioles. It looks like it is between the Orioles and Toronto.Good to see the O's playing well going into the break. At worst, we go to the break tied for 1st with Toronto. Looks like Manny is finally coming alive, if only Davis can start hitting. Pearce has probably been the 1st half MVP, even over Cruz.
I hope they add a bullpen arm and can get a decent 3rd/4th starter at the deadline. I think we'll see Bundy up in September and should be provide some bullpen help and get a few spot starts here and there.
The division seems ripe for the taking. The Yankees look to have too many injuries, the Red Sox seem to be looking towards next year, the Rays may trade their #1 starter and the Jays seem to be just hanging around right now. With some good moves at the deadline, the O's could run away with this thing.
Yeah if our SPs can pitch how they are supposed to, the rotation could be fine. I really hope after the break that Gausman stays up. He's been pitching very well lately and I don't think he can do much more in the minors. I understand limiting his innings, but we need him up here. Maybe go with a 6-man rotation for a bit to keep him and everyone else fresh.I wrote in the Nats thread that the NL East is there for the taking for the Nats. Hard to believe, but the AL East is not that good and could be there for the taking for the Orioles. It looks like it is between the Orioles and Toronto.Good to see the O's playing well going into the break. At worst, we go to the break tied for 1st with Toronto. Looks like Manny is finally coming alive, if only Davis can start hitting. Pearce has probably been the 1st half MVP, even over Cruz.
I hope they add a bullpen arm and can get a decent 3rd/4th starter at the deadline. I think we'll see Bundy up in September and should be provide some bullpen help and get a few spot starts here and there.
The division seems ripe for the taking. The Yankees look to have too many injuries, the Red Sox seem to be looking towards next year, the Rays may trade their #1 starter and the Jays seem to be just hanging around right now. With some good moves at the deadline, the O's could run away with this thing.
Unlike the last few years, I think the Orioles shouldn't make any moves to bolster the roster. The bullpen is fine with Britton, O'Day, Hunter, McFarland, and Brach. And I still like Matusz, even if it just to pitch to David Ortiz.
The Orioles need two pitchers to step up their game and act like a #1 and #2 pitcher. Gausman can definitely do it, although he is a rookie. And we need either Tillman or Jimenez (who really hasn't pitched that badly lately) to deliver. Chen, Norris, and Gonzalez are all fine for 3-5 pitchers, so they don't need to get another one.
Buck said after the break, no restrictions on Gausman including the playoffs. There won't be a Strausburg situation. Note the Gausman is on a limit due to being young and not having pitched this much in the past.Yeah if our SPs can pitch how they are supposed to, the rotation could be fine. I really hope after the break that Gausman stays up. He's been pitching very well lately and I don't think he can do much more in the minors. I understand limiting his innings, but we need him up here. Maybe go with a 6-man rotation for a bit to keep him and everyone else fresh.I wrote in the Nats thread that the NL East is there for the taking for the Nats. Hard to believe, but the AL East is not that good and could be there for the taking for the Orioles. It looks like it is between the Orioles and Toronto.Good to see the O's playing well going into the break. At worst, we go to the break tied for 1st with Toronto. Looks like Manny is finally coming alive, if only Davis can start hitting. Pearce has probably been the 1st half MVP, even over Cruz.
I hope they add a bullpen arm and can get a decent 3rd/4th starter at the deadline. I think we'll see Bundy up in September and should be provide some bullpen help and get a few spot starts here and there.
The division seems ripe for the taking. The Yankees look to have too many injuries, the Red Sox seem to be looking towards next year, the Rays may trade their #1 starter and the Jays seem to be just hanging around right now. With some good moves at the deadline, the O's could run away with this thing.
Unlike the last few years, I think the Orioles shouldn't make any moves to bolster the roster. The bullpen is fine with Britton, O'Day, Hunter, McFarland, and Brach. And I still like Matusz, even if it just to pitch to David Ortiz.
The Orioles need two pitchers to step up their game and act like a #1 and #2 pitcher. Gausman can definitely do it, although he is a rookie. And we need either Tillman or Jimenez (who really hasn't pitched that badly lately) to deliver. Chen, Norris, and Gonzalez are all fine for 3-5 pitchers, so they don't need to get another one.
I wouldn't mind seeing Bundy treated like Price or Wainwright and use him out of the pen in the case of a playoff run. Believe Price and Waino were both closers for their teams their first time up. Bundy as a closer? Definitely would stick below is pitch count and could give some flexibilty with Britton?Buck said after the break, no restrictions on Gausman including the playoffs. There won't be a Strausburg situation. Note the Gausman is on a limit due to being young and not having pitched this much in the past.Yeah if our SPs can pitch how they are supposed to, the rotation could be fine. I really hope after the break that Gausman stays up. He's been pitching very well lately and I don't think he can do much more in the minors. I understand limiting his innings, but we need him up here. Maybe go with a 6-man rotation for a bit to keep him and everyone else fresh.I wrote in the Nats thread that the NL East is there for the taking for the Nats. Hard to believe, but the AL East is not that good and could be there for the taking for the Orioles. It looks like it is between the Orioles and Toronto.Good to see the O's playing well going into the break. At worst, we go to the break tied for 1st with Toronto. Looks like Manny is finally coming alive, if only Davis can start hitting. Pearce has probably been the 1st half MVP, even over Cruz.
I hope they add a bullpen arm and can get a decent 3rd/4th starter at the deadline. I think we'll see Bundy up in September and should be provide some bullpen help and get a few spot starts here and there.
The division seems ripe for the taking. The Yankees look to have too many injuries, the Red Sox seem to be looking towards next year, the Rays may trade their #1 starter and the Jays seem to be just hanging around right now. With some good moves at the deadline, the O's could run away with this thing.
Unlike the last few years, I think the Orioles shouldn't make any moves to bolster the roster. The bullpen is fine with Britton, O'Day, Hunter, McFarland, and Brach. And I still like Matusz, even if it just to pitch to David Ortiz.
The Orioles need two pitchers to step up their game and act like a #1 and #2 pitcher. Gausman can definitely do it, although he is a rookie. And we need either Tillman or Jimenez (who really hasn't pitched that badly lately) to deliver. Chen, Norris, and Gonzalez are all fine for 3-5 pitchers, so they don't need to get another one.
Bundy has a 75 pitch limit on every outing, but that won't prevent him from making the rotation later this year. I think he is more likely will be in the bullpen and maybe a spot starter. It is still not clear to me if Bundy will be ready for the majors this year.
It's absolutely unbelievable how badly MD has screwed this up. More on the horizon, too, with the next down near National Harbor. If you haven't had the pleasure of doing so, take a commute down 210 off of I95 someday to see where they're dropping THIS one. The Rte 210 commute is a version of Hell on Earth on its best day NOW - that intersection with Old Ft Washington Rd (near where they're putting this sucker) is one of the worst gridlocks I've ever seen. They should've either gone to southern PG or put it somewhere near 50 & the Beltway - that would be a cluster#### too but at least there are several routes around. I have had a bad feeling about the Baltimore location, too, and GB The_Man's trepidation makes me feel pretty sure that I wasn't wrong.Like pretty much everything else in Maryland, the state's approach to casinos has been reactionary, poorly implemented, and dictated by the state Democratic Party and the rich businessman who own its members.Good info here. Surprised they don't have any of the traffic info on camdemchat.com.Ugh, sorry you had a bad time Marvelous. I feel bad for not having given you a warning about the construction, though I didn't realize you were coming from Loudon.
Exit 52 - Russell St/B-W Parkway is a disaster northbound heading into the city because they've taken away at least one lane as they finish construction on the hideous casino being wedged into a lot next to a self-storage place just south of the football stadium.
395 is a nightmare trying to get out of town because they've had one lane closed for weeks as they try to do some repairs to the concrete in that giant sky bridge that connects it to 95.
For future reference, if anyone is coming from DC take 395 into town and then take 295/B-W Parkway to get out of town.
I actually played candy crush on my phone while in traffic leaving the stadium, even when the lights were green. In stop and go traffic, we would go between 0-12 feet, then come to a stop for the next cycle of a light.
That seems like a really odd place to put a casino. They usually put them in out of the way places where they can develop a new tourist destination. Near a city downtown seems really out of place.
For years the state refused to have casinos, as it lost out huge revenues to West Virginia and Delaware. So when they finally decided to allow them, their placement wasn't shaped by business strategy or the market, but by where the legislature said they could be. As a result Maryland ended up with something people thought was impossible - a money-losing casino (plopped into Rocky Gap at the order of the former Speaker of the House).
There is one very lucrative casino at the Arundel Mills mall. But - again - because of politics, the City of Baltimore gets to have its own casino, exactly 13 miles away from the Arundel casino.
As Buck said the other day, not many teams have 4 starting pitchers that have minor league options. They really work things to give themselves a de facto roster of 28 players (or thereabouts). It's really smart.Yesterday, Miguel Gonzalez sent to the minors and Steve Clevenger called up. I am fascinated with how the Orioles manager their roster.
They now have only 3 starting pitchers on the active roster: Tillman, Gausman, and Chen. Norris and Gonzalez are in the minors. And Jimenez is on the DL.
After the break, the Orioles will probably have Tillman, Chen, and Gausman start the first three games. That will allow them to keep an extra reliever and an extra catcher for a few more days.
The Orioles are playing well and getting a little lucky (nothing wrong with that). The Blue Jays lost 6 our of 7 on their west coast road trip to Oakland and Anaheim. They finished their 10 game road trip dropping 2 out of 3 to Tampa.As Buck said the other day, not many teams have 4 starting pitchers that have minor league options. They really work things to give themselves a de facto roster of 28 players (or thereabouts). It's really smart.Yesterday, Miguel Gonzalez sent to the minors and Steve Clevenger called up. I am fascinated with how the Orioles manager their roster.
They now have only 3 starting pitchers on the active roster: Tillman, Gausman, and Chen. Norris and Gonzalez are in the minors. And Jimenez is on the DL.
After the break, the Orioles will probably have Tillman, Chen, and Gausman start the first three games. That will allow them to keep an extra reliever and an extra catcher for a few more days.
My 16-year-old son has been out of the country since late June. I talked to him on Skype yesterday; when I told him the O's had a 4-game lead, he said "Maybe I shouldn't come back." Last time they led the AL East at the All-Star Break was about five months before he was born.
They stole a win last night with the rainout. That's the kind of break you need to win pennants. The last 2 weeks have been about as sweet as it gets - 4-game sweep at home of Texas, then going 2-1 in three consecutive series vs. Boston, Washington and the Yankees. Nice 10-3 stretch to end the first half.
Glad they built a little buffer, because it gets real tough now. 10-game West Coast swing vs. Oakland, LA and Seattle kicks off a string of 26 straight games vs. teams over .500.
That is hard to believe. The bullpen has actually been very good. The starting pitching has been surprisingly good. No starter has played their way out of the rotation yet. Everyone says Gonzalez is pitching for his spot in the rotation each time out. He has responded by pitching 8 innings and giving up 1 ER against Boston. And then 8 innings and 2 ER against the Evil Empire.When looking at some stats for the 1st half, it seems hard to believe the O's have allowed the 3rd fewest runs in the AL.
I am a really big proponent of not making any big moves. They can't trade Gausman, Bundy, or Harvey. And after that, the farm system is pretty barren. They need all the talent they have in the farm teams. The Orioles really need to draft better. They have hit on their really high draft picks, but the lower rounds they continually come up empty.O's don't really need a Pabelbon type. Their bullpen is legit. They need starters who go deeper into games to preserve the bullpen's arms.
To me, Gausman can't be part of any deal. He's pretty much their #2 starter - it doesn't make their rotation that much better to give up their #2, even if it means bringing in a real #1. To get better, they need to get rid of their #4 or 5 starter. And at this point, it's kind of tough to say who that is. Norris and Gonzalez, I guess, with Ubaldo as #6 in the wings.
One deal I've heard floated is Gonzo for Ian Kennedy. I could live with that - Gonzo always pitches his best on the West Coast (and vs. the Yankees) so maybe they should trade him right now while his value is highest. I've also heard talk of a 2B and/or lefty bat.
My guess is that any trade the O's make is on the fringes. They like their make-up and feel like they are building for some long-term success. If they aren't able to get a legit #1 pitcher without giving up Gausman (which I don't think they can), I really would like to see them add one more left-handed big bat. If a playoff game comes down to needing a lefty pinch-hitter to deliver, Buck's not going to be real excited to look down his bench and see only Flaherty and David Lough sitting there.
What do you think Dylan Bundy's trade value is?O's don't really need a Pabelbon type. Their bullpen is legit. They need starters who go deeper into games to preserve the bullpen's arms.
To me, Gausman can't be part of any deal. He's pretty much their #2 starter - it doesn't make their rotation that much better to give up their #2, even if it means bringing in a real #1. To get better, they need to get rid of their #4 or 5 starter. And at this point, it's kind of tough to say who that is. Norris and Gonzalez, I guess, with Ubaldo as #6 in the wings.
One deal I've heard floated is Gonzo for Ian Kennedy. I could live with that - Gonzo always pitches his best on the West Coast (and vs. the Yankees) so maybe they should trade him right now while his value is highest. I've also heard talk of a 2B and/or lefty bat.
My guess is that any trade the O's make is on the fringes. They like their make-up and feel like they are building for some long-term success. If they aren't able to get a legit #1 pitcher without giving up Gausman (which I don't think they can), I really would like to see them add one more left-handed big bat. If a playoff game comes down to needing a lefty pinch-hitter to deliver, Buck's not going to be real excited to look down his bench and see only Flaherty and David Lough sitting there.
Bundy is kind of almost impossible to trade right now, only because I think the Orioles value him as a true blue chip, and most any trade partner would probably see him as semi-damaged goods. Even if the Orioles were actively shopping him - which I don't think they are - they'd have to find a trade partner who ascribes the same top value to him that the Orioles do.What do you think Dylan Bundy's trade value is?O's don't really need a Pabelbon type. Their bullpen is legit. They need starters who go deeper into games to preserve the bullpen's arms.
To me, Gausman can't be part of any deal. He's pretty much their #2 starter - it doesn't make their rotation that much better to give up their #2, even if it means bringing in a real #1. To get better, they need to get rid of their #4 or 5 starter. And at this point, it's kind of tough to say who that is. Norris and Gonzalez, I guess, with Ubaldo as #6 in the wings.
One deal I've heard floated is Gonzo for Ian Kennedy. I could live with that - Gonzo always pitches his best on the West Coast (and vs. the Yankees) so maybe they should trade him right now while his value is highest. I've also heard talk of a 2B and/or lefty bat.
My guess is that any trade the O's make is on the fringes. They like their make-up and feel like they are building for some long-term success. If they aren't able to get a legit #1 pitcher without giving up Gausman (which I don't think they can), I really would like to see them add one more left-handed big bat. If a playoff game comes down to needing a lefty pinch-hitter to deliver, Buck's not going to be real excited to look down his bench and see only Flaherty and David Lough sitting there.
It really did. I stayed up to watch the whole game even though I shouldn't have.That sucked
I did the same since we don't get many Os games here in NY. And it was way too late to drink away the pain.Marvelous said:It really did. I stayed up to watch the whole game even though I shouldn't have.Koya said:That sucked
My only guess is that they were trying to rest O'Day by having Hunter pitch the 8th inning. Matusz was brought in to retire on batter with the bases loaded and 2 outs. And walked him. Not good.
My mom is friends with someone who's friends with Johnson's wife. She says that Jim hated Oakland as soon as he got there - that the clubhouse isn't nearly as tight as Baltimore's and the players mostly keep to themselves. I wonder how much of that is the fact that it was a new team and that he's not successful there, and how much it's true. I do get the feeling that the Orioles are a close bunch, though (winning doesn't hurt).The Oakland A's designated Jim Johnson for assignment. His career sure blew up quickly.
I actually hope the Orioles give him another shot after he clears waivers. If they can fix Jim Johnson, he could be a solid bullpen arm at the major league minimum. If not, he would be just another flyer that can't get out of the minor leagues.
Yeah, I passed out late in the game - of course I stay awake for the heartbreak game. But I'll gladly fall asleep if it means a win against King Felix. When you are working on records with Chief Bender, that's impressive.Wow. Nice win against King Felix. Gausman is the ####. The starting pitchers on this road trip have been fantastic.
6-4. 6-4!It might have been that Britton wasn't available, so they were saving O'Day for the 9th.
Hunter did OK, I thought - only bad batter was the double. The leadoff hit should have been an out and then he struck out two guys with the runner in scoring position.
Matusz was the real turd. He is one of my least favorite Orioles of recent vintage.
Would have been awesome to get the sweep. Assuming a loss to King Felix, and hoping the O's can go 2-1 in the other games to come back with a 5-5 West Coast swing.
AL East teams are heating up. They all play each other for the next few days.
Flaherty not covering 2nd when the Angel's 6th run scored was a really bonehead play. Looking at the replay, it looks like Flaherty does get there before the base runner, so if Hardy sticks with the initial play and tosses to 2nd, they get the out.That was awesome. So many chances blown, phew.
I don't like trading any of Gausman, Bundy, or Harvey. We will see.2:36pm: Abraham tweets that the two sides are in advanced discussions, but the Red Sox have alternatives, should Baltimore not meet their asking price. Ghiroli adds that Baltimore isn’t likely to part with Gausman in a Lester deal, but the two sides are still in serious discussions.
2:25pm: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that a deal isn’t close at this time, although Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com tweets that talks are indeed heating up. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports also tweets that nothing is close to finalization at this point, though that doesn’t preclude a deal from being reached. Andy Martino of the New York Daily news also hears that a deal is possible, but not close at this time (Twitter link).
Kubatko adds that Boston has been asking for Kevin Gausman or Dylan Bundy in talks.
2:20pm: Miguel Gonzalez could be heading to Boston in the deal, Ghiroli tweets. Clearly, he wouldn’t be the centerpiece of the trade.
2:16pm: The Orioles are in advanced talks that would send a pitcher to Boston in exchange for Jon Lester, reports Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe (on Twitter). MLB.com’s Britt Ghiroli tweets that the two sides are “close” to a deal.
Depends on how much risk we take on it being a rental vs paying him enough to stay after this year. That's a big chance, but how often have we been in this position of late? We have a couple game lead and a fall back of two wildcards and in that case, Lester's pitching the WC at leastFrom mlbtraderumors.com
I don't like trading any of Gausman, Bundy, or Harvey. We will see.2:36pm: Abraham tweets that the two sides are in advanced discussions, but the Red Sox have alternatives, should Baltimore not meet their asking price. Ghiroli adds that Baltimore isnt likely to part with Gausman in a Lester deal, but the two sides are still in serious discussions.
2:25pm: Joel Sherman of the New York Post tweets that a deal isnt close at this time, although Roch Kubatko of MASNsports.com tweets that talks are indeed heating up. Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports also tweets that nothing is close to finalization at this point, though that doesnt preclude a deal from being reached. Andy Martino of the New York Daily news also hears that a deal is possible, but not close at this time (Twitter link).
Kubatko adds that Boston has been asking for Kevin Gausman or Dylan Bundy in talks.
2:20pm: Miguel Gonzalez could be heading to Boston in the deal, Ghiroli tweets. Clearly, he wouldnt be the centerpiece of the trade.
2:16pm: The Orioles are in advanced talks that would send a pitcher to Boston in exchange for Jon Lester, reports Pete Abraham of the Boston Globe (on Twitter). MLB.coms Britt Ghiroli tweets that the two sides are close to a deal.