*Official 2020 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* Humanity will never recover from the most horrible event to happen in the last 100 years: Doug Pederson pla (1 Viewer)

[DJackson10]

Seems like he's unhappy with the way the organization has handled things and his situation.  I don't blame him one bit. 

Scheftar who is usually good with this stuff was pretty vague. From what I heard is that it's not about this year it's about next year. If He is gonna be named the Back up Wentz doesn't want to be a back up in an organization he feels deserted him completely. Yes he got the deal but they kept an unpleasant rat in the locker room who talked smacked on him. The guy who wrote the article has said a lot of the players who initial talked about Wentz said he got better and didn't believe he was that guy. 

Heard unconfirmed report he doesn't like Press Taylor and Taylor may have been forced on him as the organization likes him and his offensive mind (Forget the article but there were a few things he believed in doing the league is doing now that they weren't yet when he was initially promoted). Add in not giving him enough weapons and then drafting Hurts he feels the org was non committal to him long term No one knows why and the Veterans still love him. We've heard coach ability issues in the past but is that more not liking particular coaches or more his ego we don't know. 

Overall I don't blame Wentz at all. I said this yesterday but if I was playing for this team (The team I've rooted for childhood diehard) and played for them, this situation happened I'd feel like I was lied too and not being supported and maybe want out too. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Eagles now looking at 13th different OL combination in 14 games.

This has to be close to a record. 

And they confirmed it today that it was a record 

 

[DJackson10]

But he hasn't to our knowledge yet. This is all hearsay from podcasts and reporters. 

And we all know we should take these with a grain of salt. Unless Scheftar is reporting it or Sal or Ian or one of the Eagles big main guys who is reliable like McManus/Berman I'm taking this as hearsay and grain of salt. 

Also got to remember who you are talking too. Different people in the org source wise have their own agendas too. They could be BS to get a better position long term, or what have you. There's gonna be people on Wentz's side but then you got supporters on Hurts or people supporting Hurts who felt the team should've kept Foles. A lot of factors go into this and this is where reporters make or break their careers, weeding out the facts from the BS and realizing what type of source they have. I've learned this following wrestling over the years. Gone to enough local events I've become friends with some in promotions and wrestlers to the point they may have friends in WWE, New Japan, Ring of Honor or another promotion. Sometimes I get what they call in wrestling business Dirt sheet info. However before I put anything I can online or tell people I need to weed out these things as well. Who told me, who is it about or promotion, if that person is a supporter of said wrestler/company, etc etc. A lot to dig through to get to facts. It's why a lot of rumors are just that in the end. Rumors and fantasy stuff nothing more 

 

[DJackson10]

Who else has that applied to on the team this year? 

Half the team hasn't played well this year. Why Jeffrey continues to be out there is one of the biggest mysteries as well as Jason Peters there 

 

[DJackson10]

And I agree that it’s mostly all click bait stuff. Probably from Alshon and Josina lol

Wouldn't surprise me. 

 

[DJackson10]

I think you agree with me. QB’s are generally afforded a longer leash. To pull the plug on him and not others is questionable. 

No matter which side of the QB fence you’re on, one has to go next year. Only way it works is if Hurts falls all over himself these next 2.5 games but it doesn’t look likely at all. 

If someone gives us a 1st or 2nd in this years draft for Hurts the Eagles can't say no. I think teams know the Eagles are in a bind. I think you could see more trade offers for Hurts as teams won't take Carson's contract and it's a what have you done for me lately league as well. Only way I get rid of Carson is for a 1 and at the very least a 3 and something else. He's worth more then what Cutler got or the 1st that Sam Bradford got us. 

Either way one of these guys has to be gone by next year. 

 

[DJackson10]

Back to back second halves where the offense looks mediocre. I know I’m beating a dead horse but it doesn’t matter who the QB is if Doug is the HC. 

And that was with refs doing their best to keep us in this one. 

Yeah Alshon had OPI on 3 occasions. 

Ertz Block in the back not called 2nd to last possession we had

Insein mentioned Dallas being lined up offside half the game

I was in and out of the 1st QTR and part of the 2nd do to work but I had already seen a few of the plays already there. 

 

[modogg]

Hurts played good but he made some mistakes that cost us today. Safety and those 2 sacks on the 2nd to last possession were killers. Those will get glossed over by his stats though. 

ehh, defense gave up 500+ yards (not their fault since secondary was shambles) and the OL giving Hurts 3 seconds to make a play on about 1/4 of the plays is not really on Hurts

 

[DJackson10]

Hurts played good but he made some mistakes that cost us today. Safety and those 2 sacks on the 2nd to last possession were killers. Those will get glossed over by his stats though. 

Something happened with Vick when he was here. The year he started and had the Jackson PR TD to win the game where he played great well Vick only played great half the season. He put up Madden like Stats the first half of the year. 2nd half was more of a typical Vick year with some big plays tied into taking bad sacks, very poor decision making and a ton of Turnovers. But because he put up Madden like first half his #s at the end evened out to a pretty good year. 

Same can be said about Cam Newton and Colin Kaepernick year CAR went to the SB. Saw a table where the two QB's stats were nearly identical. Difference? Cam's Panthers were undefeated where CK"s 49ers had a losing record. Cam's Defense hid a ton of his first half mistakes that year. Then Cam pulled his best Eli Manning get hot in the 2nd half of the year where his stats looked pretty good. 

Point? People will always gloss over QB's mistakes if they put up good #s as well as come up with excuses why they aren't at fault for the loss. 

 

[DJackson10]

ehh, defense gave up 500+ yards (not their fault since secondary was shambles) and the OL giving Hurts 3 seconds to make a play on about 1/4 of the plays is not really on Hurts

We could say the same for Wentz this year. I think what he's getting at is Hurts had some good plays but his 3mistakes were very costly in the end. I think we were lucky to be in the position we were to win today. We got away with a ton of penalties today. 

 

[modogg]

We could say the same for Wentz this year. I think what he's getting at is Hurts had some good plays but his 3mistakes were very costly in the end. I think we were lucky to be in the position we were to win today. We got away with a ton of penalties today. 

i'm pretty sure if Wentz was in the Eagles would have been down 20 in the 1st half, and the Eagles could have ended somewhat similarly because of prevent defense in garbage time.

if you look at game logs from most of the games this season, pretty close to all of Wentz's positive numbers came in garbage time against prevent defenses. We can talk how Hurts got sacked twice today, but if Wentz was in there it would have been at least 6

 

[Bigboy10182000]

i'm pretty sure if Wentz was in the Eagles would have been down 20 in the 1st half, and the Eagles could have ended somewhat similarly because of prevent defense in garbage time.

if you look at game logs from most of the games this season, pretty close to all of Wentz's positive numbers came in garbage time against prevent defenses. We can talk how Hurts got sacked twice today, but if Wentz was in there it would have been at least 6

There’s no correlation but....

If Wentz was the starter how many turnovers would we have got? I’m pretty sure we have had more turnovers the last 2 games than in all of Wentz’s starts this year  

How many carries would Sanders have had?

How many roll out would have been called?

It’s the coach. Do you think it’s odd that the offense has looked like crap in the second half of each game? Hurts will only be “new” for so much longer. 

 

[DJackson10]

i'm pretty sure if Wentz was in the Eagles would have been down 20 in the 1st half, and the Eagles could have ended somewhat similarly because of prevent defense in garbage time.

if you look at game logs from most of the games this season, pretty close to all of Wentz's positive numbers came in garbage time against prevent defenses. We can talk how Hurts got sacked twice today, but if Wentz was in there it would have been at least 6

I posted a stat from PFF right when Wentz got Benched. Wentz was responsible for 10-47 sacks and 21/191 QB Pressures. Look Wentz isn't without fault here but we're seeing Hurts have the same time Wentz had in the pocket. Only real difference is Hurts right now is more aware and more athletic. If Hurts wasn't as athletic as he is he probably is sacked a few more times 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Yeah this is starting to turn where I knew it would head and it sucks. Any criticism of Hurts is now tied to “what Wentz would have done”.  People are LITERALLY making excuses for Hurts like these EXACT SAME things weren’t happening all year long. 

Might be time for me to check out until one of these guys is gone. I can’t do Wentz v Foles part 2 lol

 

[modogg]

I posted a stat from PFF right when Wentz got Benched. Wentz was responsible for 10-47 sacks and 21/191 QB Pressures. Look Wentz isn't without fault here but we're seeing Hurts have the same time Wentz had in the pocket. Only real difference is Hurts right now is more aware and more athletic. If Hurts wasn't as athletic as he is he probably is sacked a few more times 

i think Hurts also is much more composed. Wentz had Lane and Driscoll and others to give him a little more help. Not all Wentz's fault from all the hits he took, but he often looked like he was turtling up early with his head down in the pocket rather than Hurts who is not as shell-shocked. Wentz could bounce back next year, but certainly not a guarantee.

watching him just really reminded me of the last 2 years of David Carr's seasons

 

[need2know]

Sanders didn't get enough touches in the second half again

 

[Insein]

Sanders didn't get enough touches in the second half again

Obviously Hurts fault. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Sanders didn't get enough touches in the second half again

You guys will all get there soon enough. 

 

[modogg]

Would love to know what the heck they are paying Scangarello for. they bring him in and paid him a good salary, what the heck is he doing to contribute to offensive game planning and scheming

 

[JetMaxx]

Hurts was fantastic.

 

[G-King]

Hurts was fantastic.

Looked like a complete different team. Hurts brings something to the table that elevates everyone around him. Who knows how long it last, but you guys got to like that I would think.

 

[need2know]

Special teams was god awful today as well

 

[need2know]

Pryor at tackle is a joke but I guess we have no other options

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Pryor at tackle is a joke but I guess we have no other options

Was just about to say this. Might as well give Prince a shot and keep extending that record. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

From Jimmy Kempski:

Singleton is averaging 11 tackles per game over the 6 games since he became the 3-down LB. If you were to extrapolate that over 13 games, he'd have 143 tackles, which would lead the NFL, and the next-closest player would be 16 tackles behind him.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Would love to know what the heck they are paying Scangarello for. they bring him in and paid him a good salary, what the heck is he doing to contribute to offensive game planning and scheming

Exactly what he did in Denver

 

[fred_1_15301]

If someone gives us a 1st or 2nd in this years draft for Hurts the Eagles can't say no. I think teams know the Eagles are in a bind. I think you could see more trade offers for Hurts as teams won't take Carson's contract and it's a what have you done for me lately league as well. Only way I get rid of Carson is for a 1 and at the very least a 3 and something else. He's worth more then what Cutler got or the 1st that Sam Bradford got us. 

Either way one of these guys has to be gone by next year. 

I don’t know.  The Eagles drafted Hurts in the 2nd round so they must see a good bit of potential in him.  While it’s only been 2 games, he’s at least showing some glimmer of that potential.  It’s also possible that they’re starting to lose faith in Wentz as the future.  IMO that adds up as the guy being untradeable at this point in time. Just my 2 cents looking in from the outside.

 

[Insein]

From Jimmy Kempski:

Singleton is averaging 11 tackles per game over the 6 games since he became the 3-down LB. If you were to extrapolate that over 13 games, he'd have 143 tackles, which would lead the NFL, and the next-closest player would be 16 tackles behind him.

And how long did it take for him to see the field? Week 7 or 8? Had to make sure Nate Gerry was truly terrible first I guess. 

 

[Insein]

Looked like a complete different team. Hurts brings something to the table that elevates everyone around him. Who knows how long it last, but you guys got to like that I would think.

I see the same playcalling creeping back in. Slow start at the beginning of both halves. Hurts improvising is helping to avoid sacks but they're starting to get home. Let's see what they do against Dallas next week. Dallas Defense looking better last 3 weeks or so. 

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I don’t know.  The Eagles drafted Hurts in the 2nd round so they must see a good bit of potential in him.  While it’s only been 2 games, he’s at least showing some glimmer of that potential.  It’s also possible that they’re starting to lose faith in Wentz as the future.  IMO that adds up as the guy being untradeable at this point in time. Just my 2 cents looking in from the outside.

Psh. Trade them BOTH for a lot of picks and draft Lance. In 4-5 years give Lance 140 million and than draft his replacement in the second round. 

 

[Insein]

Psh. Trade them BOTH for a lot of picks and draft Lance. In 4-5 years give Lance 140 million and than draft his replacement in the second round. 

QB factory!

 

[Bigboy10182000]

QB factory!

You had a post a few days or maybe a week or so ago that said something like “Hurts will look just good enough so that this carries into next year”. What was the post exactly? I couldn’t find it 

 

[Ash]

Well I don't know that Carson will have a say in this. If Hurts keeps playing like this, win or lose, he's gone. 

He's playing better than Wentz was, no question, and should be the starter the rest of the year.  The relationship between Wentz and this staff might not be salvageable, and / or they might thing Wentz himself is such a mess they'd rather trade him if they can.

As far as Hurts goes, I keep thinking about the list of QBs I've seen play well for stretches but couldn't sustain it.  Ty Detmer, Bobby Hoying, Kevin Kolb, Mike Vick, Nick Foles (twice).

The most obvious thing to me about the last 2 games is that they clearly don't want Hurts throwing over the middle of the field.  Everything is outside the numbers.  Is that something that will change over time as he learns or do they think he has limitations in processing the field when defenders can come from both sides that will have to be managed permanently?  I dunno.

I think if they could get two 2nds for Wentz they this seems to be heading, I'd take it quickly.

 

[Ash]

And how long did it take for him to see the field? Week 7 or 8? Had to make sure Nate Gerry was truly terrible first I guess. 

I know, right?  Schwarz seems bad at personnel.  And teaching tackling ffs, soo tired of seeing DBs throw shoulders without even trying to wrap.  50% of tackling is arms and hands.

 

[DJackson10]

Sanders didn't get enough touches in the second half again

Hurts was like 50% passing second half for 100yds and had 13 carries first half finished with 17. 

 

[DJackson10]

From Jimmy Kempski:

Singleton is averaging 11 tackles per game over the 6 games since he became the 3-down LB. If you were to extrapolate that over 13 games, he'd have 143 tackles, which would lead the NFL, and the next-closest player would be 16 tackles behind him.

They got lucky here. He was on a few different PS and CFL. Eagles cut him in preseason brought him on the PS then he got called up from injuries and then didn't look back. Great guy and great story and he's friends with Aaron Rodgers. What more could this guy ask for? 

 

[Insein]

They got lucky here. He was on a few different PS and CFL. Eagles cut him in preseason brought him on the PS then he got called up from injuries and then didn't look back. Great guy and great story and he's friends with Aaron Rodgers. What more could this guy ask for? 

It's why I question the coaching. Howie sometimes gets them players and coaches don't want to use them. Sometimes they're forced to use them and find out they work. So how much is on Howie and how much is coaching not utilizing/growing the talent given to them?

 

[DJackson10]

I don’t know.  The Eagles drafted Hurts in the 2nd round so they must see a good bit of potential in him.  While it’s only been 2 games, he’s at least showing some glimmer of that potential.  It’s also possible that they’re starting to lose faith in Wentz as the future.  IMO that adds up as the guy being untradeable at this point in time. Just my 2 cents looking in from the outside.

I'm not jumping on any bandwagons. The kid looked good for stretches but that first pass of the game was gonna be a pick 6 if the defender caught it. I predicted that whole play from the start and was nearly right and if I could watching on a phone at work surely AZ D too. He gave up a brutal Safety and zero pocket awareness on 2 key sacks. Also the most troubling stat is this. The last 2 weeks he's looked great the first half. 2nd half stumble. Thought I saw a stat where he was 11-24 for 100yds Passing in the 2nd half this week. Last week he didn't do much in the 2nd half either. That's pretty troubling 

 

[modogg]

They got lucky here. He was on a few different PS and CFL. Eagles cut him in preseason brought him on the PS then he got called up from injuries and then didn't look back. Great guy and great story and he's friends with Aaron Rodgers. What more could this guy ask for? 

It's why I question the coaching. Howie sometimes gets them players and coaches don't want to use them. Sometimes they're forced to use them and find out they work. So how much is on Howie and how much is coaching not utilizing/growing the talent given to them?

it is kind of funny, similar with Fulgham. he has been on 3-4 teams, and seemed to finally make a dent when on the Eagles

 

[DJackson10]

He's playing better than Wentz was, no question, and should be the starter the rest of the year.  The relationship between Wentz and this staff might not be salvageable, and / or they might thing Wentz himself is such a mess they'd rather trade him if they can.

As far as Hurts goes, I keep thinking about the list of QBs I've seen play well for stretches but couldn't sustain it.  Ty Detmer, Bobby Hoying, Kevin Kolb, Mike Vick, Nick Foles (twice).

The most obvious thing to me about the last 2 games is that they clearly don't want Hurts throwing over the middle of the field.  Everything is outside the numbers.  Is that something that will change over time as he learns or do they think he has limitations in processing the field when defenders can come from both sides that will have to be managed permanently?  I dunno.

I think if they could get two 2nds for Wentz they this seems to be heading, I'd take it quickly.

They stopped him from throwing over the Middle of the field at Bama before he was benched. At OU everything was schemed open to the sidelines not a whole lot over the middle of the field. His arm strength has been a talk or lack there of in that department. His throws on the deep ball seem more lofted passes then straight heaving them like a Rodgers does or Mahomes. Pretty soon defenses are gonna see this and dare him to throw in the middle of the field 

 

[DJackson10]

It's why I question the coaching. Howie sometimes gets them players and coaches don't want to use them. Sometimes they're forced to use them and find out they work. So how much is on Howie and how much is coaching not utilizing/growing the talent given to them?

Great question and one we will continue to wonder about. Maybe Howie isn't as bad as we thought and the coaches are being petty? Only Lurie knows the truth and I think how he handles this is when we get our answer. Doug at the PC looked like he didn't even want to be there today and has looked like that for awhile too. 

 

[DJackson10]

it is kind of funny, similar with Fulgham. he has been on 3-4 teams, and seemed to finally make a dent when on the Eagles

We were always good under Andy getting the UDFAs. I think one year we had a record of UDFA's to make an NFL roster. A few of those guys stuck around for a pretty good while. They weren't just needed bodies but useful players. A few were gone within a 2-3 yrs but a few of those guys stuck around and only left when the team wasn't willing to pay them more. Kelce was also a late round pick that became a pro bowler. We've had a few of these. Trent Cole I think was a 5th that did well. We need to figure out why and how we had that success then and go back to that. 

 

[Ash]

Great question and one we will continue to wonder about. Maybe Howie isn't as bad as we thought and the coaches are being petty? Only Lurie knows the truth and I think how he handles this is when we get our answer. Doug at the PC looked like he didn't even want to be there today and has looked like that for awhile too. 

The thing with this for me is guys like Singleton, Fulgham, Mailata etc., should be the icing, not the cake.  Howie misses too often with the big calls, IMO.

 

[Insein]

Great question and one we will continue to wonder about. Maybe Howie isn't as bad as we thought and the coaches are being petty? Only Lurie knows the truth and I think how he handles this is when we get our answer. Doug at the PC looked like he didn't even want to be there today and has looked like that for awhile too. 

I'm not letting Howie off the hook for his misses because they are big but people never give him credit for his hits. Especially in the sports media in this town. 

 

[Insein]

Whether it was Hurts or coaching, it was encouraging to see them try to get Reagor involved today. 

 

[Ash]

Whether it was Hurts or coaching, it was encouraging to see them try to get Reagor involved today. 

Yeah, and Quez!  I loved that bit from Talib where he goes, "Man, Quez FAST!", think during the replay on the TD.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Yeah, and Quez!  I loved that bit from Talib where he goes, "Man, Quez FAST!", think during the replay on the TD.

And ironically he’s on the field and not JJAW all of a sudden

I hate this coaching staff so much lol

 

[Insein]

And ironically he’s on the field and not JJAW all of a sudden

I hate this coaching staff so much lol

Only took them 15 weeks to figure it out. Maybe Fulgham can pass Alshon by Week 8 next year. 

 

[Deamon]

they might think Wentz himself is such a mess they'd rather trade him if they can.

Trade up to draft the guy who will have the ball in his hands and run the offense.  Trade him and he suddenly looks good.

Fultz 2.0.  Ugh.

 

[Ash]

Trade up to draft the guy who will have the ball in his hands and run the offense.  Trade him and he suddenly looks good.

Fultz 2.0.  Ugh.

I know.  I honestly don't know what I think is the right thing to do here.  Odds of Hurts turning into a Top 10ish QB are low, so not sold on committing to that as the solution.  Biggest tipping point comes down to something we can't see from the outside.  How much of Wentz failures does he take responsibility for and is he willing to accept some tough coaching and concentrate on lifting his execution as a player and less on the scheme / play calling or anything else.

If you're not convinced he's onboard for that, then trade him while you can IMO.