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*Official 2020 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* Humanity will never recover from the most horrible event to happen in the last 100 years: Doug Pederson pla (1 Viewer)

I found the below to be interesting too from Doug:

Doug Pederson: “I want to make sure there's one voice, and that's my voice, that's heard offensively and nobody else's. That's the part that I've got to get across to the staff, and I have done that. ...”

 
Doug has schemed guys open. Wentz and Hurts have simply missed them. Inexcusable from 5 yr vet Wentz, hopefully Hurts develops to find them 

 
Doug has schemed guys open. Wentz and Hurts have simply missed them. Inexcusable from 5 yr vet Wentz, hopefully Hurts develops to find them 
If both guys have missed them (a vet and a rookie), then maybe the scheme needs to be adjusted slightly to accommodate for the siv of an offensive line. 

 
Game across these on Twitter:

Production in the year they turned 19-years old

DeVonta Smith:
8 catches 
160 yards
3 touchdowns

Ja’Marr Chase:
84 catches
1,780 yards
20 touchdowns

Production on screens

DeVonta Smith 2020:
33 catches
279 yards
2 TDs

Ja’Marr Chase 2019:
5 catches 
69 yards
0 TDs

Smith had the most screen catches in college football this season 

 
There's a decent chance one of the top 2 WR will gone, and I'll be happy taking the other.

Not to read TOO much into combine, but I'll be curious how they stack up there. With two guys so close, that might be the tipping point for teams if one has a clearly better performance.

 
I feel like we may miss Schwartz more than most people think. The below probably sums up my thoughts. Frustrating b/c it always seemed like anytime the offense got going, defense couldn't get stops but they kept us in a ton of games. 

@SheilKapadia

Eagles defense ranked 8th in EPA/play during Jim Schwartz's 5-year run. Stubborn and frustrating at times, overall he did an excellent job. Two top-5 DVOA finishes, never lower than 17th.

Schwartz set a floor of mediocrity and was able to do more with less. Mediocre defense+great offense is a formula for success in the NFL in 2020. Eagles have spent two top-50 picks on defense in last five years. Ranked 30th in money allocated to defense in 2020.

 
Schwartz is out. Pondering retirement.
I have more on this. The media says it's because he he's had some procedures eye and hip surgery over the last 1 1/2 yrs. however when I told my CO worker who is Schwartz defacto Assistant she kind of gasped and said "good riddance." She said he was really lazy and didn't want to work and countless times when her son went to look for him to game plain for the week or other things he was asleep in his office or literally going nothing. I'm honestly surprised how much players respect this guy given how lazy he apparently has become over the last few yrs. Seems like after the SB he came away with the "he got his and didn't have to work anymore." this is apparently one of the big reasons why Corey Udlin left. He'd let a lot of the Assistant coaches take the sword for him despite the fact he didn't do a dam thing the last 1 1/2 yrs there Would explain a lot why the defense has gotten progressively worse since the SB. 

As for who they get I'm not sure. Wouldn't be surprised if they handed the reigns to my Co workers son who had worked with Udlin with the DBs and still does under Manuel along with his other duties. From the DB's Ive met over time from Margos, to Mills, Maddox, Sul, Jenkins, McLeod and even other players, when I tell them that I work with such and such mother I get some pretty great reactions like "We love him." "He's awesome he helped me find a house in the area along with Kelce." "One of the best coaches I ever had." etc. 

 
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There's a decent chance one of the top 2 WR will gone, and I'll be happy taking the other.

Not to read TOO much into combine, but I'll be curious how they stack up there. With two guys so close, that might be the tipping point for teams if one has a clearly better performance.
There's speculation MIA uses their pick from HOU Top 5 potentially to take Smith to pair him with his buddy Tua down in South Beach 

 
We need to fire the Offensive Coordinator
I’m grudgingly willing to give Doug the benefit of the doubt on this year after unexpectedly having to fire assistants and pick from a list of Howie approved candidates.  There might have been improvement necessary after 2019, but forcing Doug’s hand clearly went badly.

 
Hopefully it is.  Someone should have been fired in season for this debacle 
There’s things that frustrate me about Schwartz defences (lack of turnovers, pretty basic approach to coverages), but his results have been good relative to spending, draft resources and talent on his side of the ball.  They’ve been top 10 in scoring defense across his 5 years.

 
I'd imagine if he didn't listen to his coaches he's get blasted as well, but yea, at some point - forget 'scheme fit' and just take the best player.
Part of being in charge of anything in an organisation is knowing when to ignore bad advice.  When you’re in the #1 spot, you don’t get to pull the “but he said...” defence.  Just seems like too convenient an excuse, and Howie is great at getting his agenda out via guys like Schefter.  Normally coaches would want the more mature, polished player (Jefferson), rather than the “potential” guy.

 
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We need a playmaker at the top pick. Whether that's DB or WR, it has to be someone that makes an impact with the ball. 

I have confidence they can find good OL in the later rounds and the guys we have can grow into better players with more time. 
It’s the one area you could say they have been consistently able to identify talent, with the glaring exception of Dillard.

 
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I think Doug is a good head coach. It's when he has to micromanage and be an Offensive Coordinator that strains his abilities. 
I’m actually starting to think Doug makes a much better OC than head coach.  Having watched much more of the All 22 the last few weeks, I think scheme / playcalling are not such a big problem.

The parts of the job Doug seems to enjoy and focus on are the OC role.  He’s never paid enough attention to the D.  A lot of other HCs would have sanity checked Schwartz’s plan to lock Jacquet on Gallup (“Cmon Jim, really?  Try again, huh?”).  I also don’t think Doug does a great job with accountability either for assistants or players.  Hearing Mike Tomlin say he expects routine plays to be made routinely and if these guys can’t do it, we’ll get guys who can, stood out to me, because I could never see Doug call guys out like that, even when it’s well deserved.  You hope it’s different behind closed doors, but the results we see kind of say it isn’t.

 
Yea, him or Chase. All I want. Think Reagor would have a better chance to succeed as well if he can play 2nd fiddle to a stud.  But - yea, I mean the guy's putting up numbers on a legit program. Don't overthink it.
Chase kind of looks like an X, but just build wise, Smith looks more like a Z.  Would be absolutely  :wall: if Reagor ends up playing slot because we draft Smith.  You know, since we couldn’t draft a guy who’s “just a slot WR” last year.

 
Patricia runs a 3-4 and we honestly have zero guys who'd run that let alone any LBs outside of Singleton 


He's not a bad name just don't see how it works unless the team wants to do a massive rebuild on defense and use some patience with it. 
 For some reason I thought they ran a 4-3 in Detroit and a hybrid in NE. I’m a fan of guys who were once HC’s after being good/great coordinators coming back. I wouldn’t mind a guy like Quinn or Raheem Morris either for the same reasons. I’ll have to look into who’s out there more soon 

 
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 For some reason I thought they ran a 4-3 in Detroit and a hybrid in NE. I’m a fan of guys who were once HC’s after being good/great coordinators coming back. I wouldn’t mind a guy like Quinn or Raheem Morris either for the same reasons. I’ll have to look into who’s out there more soon 
No way on Patricia.  There’s tough coaching, and there’s being such an ####### all your players hate you.

https://www.mlive.com/lions/2020/11/ex-lions-players-dont-hold-back-in-aftermath-of-matt-patricia-bob-quinns-firing.html

 
Ok, well scratch him completely lol

Looking internally Matt Burke would probably be the guy they go to if that’s the route they want to take. Seems like he has a pretty versatile coaching background as well
It’s the logical way to go, but almost seems too easy and misses the chance to shake things up a bit.  If Doug’s on a “get better or else” ultimatum though, this is the only way to go.

 
What to do next year?

Since it will all happen one way or another after the game tomorrow night, here’s what I think should happen.

I’m starting with some an assumptions, that the best path to sustained success is a top tier QB.  I believe this is harder to find than a top tier coach, due to the scarcity and access to QBs at the top of the draft.  If you can pick the right coach, all you have to do is convince them (with money, authority or whatever) to take the job.  Doesn’t matter how many teams want Trevor Lawrence, only 1 has the chance to take him.

Lurie needs to have already had a meeting with Wentz for his thoughts on what happened this year.  What Carson says in there, determines what I’d do next.  If he shows humility and accountability and has a plan to work on the issues with his play and his failures this year, then I would plan to move forwards with him.  Wentz has a 3yr track record of being a top tier QB who can make those around him better.  I don’t believe Hurts has that ceiling so if Wentz can get back there, that’s the way to go. This is Path 1

If Wentz puts the blame on injuries, coaching, other players etc., that would show me he hasn’t internalised the lessons from this year, and chances of his play improving are not high enough to continue. This is Path 2

Both paths start with firing Howie.  I don’t see any way you can look the current state of this roster and salary cap, as well as his draft track record, and say that he should continue to be making decisions for the team.  I believe it also means he has to be out of the organisation completely, IMO.  He’s such a politician that he’d be in the background undermining whoever replaced him on the personnel side.  I think it would be more difficult to attract top coaching candidates if the person who made the mess they’re in now is still making decisions.  Bringing in people under Howie (like the transparent John Dorsey PR move) doesn’t work.  Joe Douglas didn’t make much difference with the Eagles, but is doing much better on his own with the Jets.

Path 1

Fire Doug (and Press Taylor).  There are things Doug is good at, there are things he needs to improve but ultimately the Pederson / Taylor coaching arrangement has seen Wentz decline from an MVP front runner to the worst starting QB in the league.  If Wentz is going to bounce back, it has to be with better coaching from different coaches.

Path 2

Trade Wentz.  Might take a slight contract restructure to shift the date of his 2022 guarantee.  Not sure what the return is but if it’s a 2 and another conditional pick, you just have to go with it and move forwards.

If possible draft the replacement QB early.  Lawrence won’t be there so you’ll likely be picking between Wilson / Fields (depending on the Jets) and Trey Lance.  It’s also possible someone trades above the Eagles.  I wouldn’t give up much to trade up, since it will take multiple years I think before this team is out of the hole it’s in.

If the replacement doesn’t come through the draft, I’d look at veteran options to compete with Hurts (Sam Darnold, maybe) to at least shoot for competent QB play.

I’m less fussed in this path if Doug has another year or gets fired immediately.  Given the record with / without Wentz we’ve all seen, something just doesn’t work in that dynamic so I’m willing to give Doug a shot to work with a new QB, but also, he has to improve his management of assistant coaches, and the overall culture of accountability. 

 
What to do next year?

Since it will all happen one way or another after the game tomorrow night, here’s what I think should happen.

I’m starting with some an assumptions, that the best path to sustained success is a top tier QB.  I believe this is harder to find than a top tier coach, due to the scarcity and access to QBs at the top of the draft.  If you can pick the right coach, all you have to do is convince them (with money, authority or whatever) to take the job.  Doesn’t matter how many teams want Trevor Lawrence, only 1 has the chance to take him.

Lurie needs to have already had a meeting with Wentz for his thoughts on what happened this year.  What Carson says in there, determines what I’d do next.  If he shows humility and accountability and has a plan to work on the issues with his play and his failures this year, then I would plan to move forwards with him.  Wentz has a 3yr track record of being a top tier QB who can make those around him better.  I don’t believe Hurts has that ceiling so if Wentz can get back there, that’s the way to go. This is Path 1

If Wentz puts the blame on injuries, coaching, other players etc., that would show me he hasn’t internalised the lessons from this year, and chances of his play improving are not high enough to continue. This is Path 2

Both paths start with firing Howie.  I don’t see any way you can look the current state of this roster and salary cap, as well as his draft track record, and say that he should continue to be making decisions for the team.  I believe it also means he has to be out of the organisation completely, IMO.  He’s such a politician that he’d be in the background undermining whoever replaced him on the personnel side.  I think it would be more difficult to attract top coaching candidates if the person who made the mess they’re in now is still making decisions.  Bringing in people under Howie (like the transparent John Dorsey PR move) doesn’t work.  Joe Douglas didn’t make much difference with the Eagles, but is doing much better on his own with the Jets.

Path 1

Fire Doug (and Press Taylor).  There are things Doug is good at, there are things he needs to improve but ultimately the Pederson / Taylor coaching arrangement has seen Wentz decline from an MVP front runner to the worst starting QB in the league.  If Wentz is going to bounce back, it has to be with better coaching from different coaches.

Path 2

Trade Wentz.  Might take a slight contract restructure to shift the date of his 2022 guarantee.  Not sure what the return is but if it’s a 2 and another conditional pick, you just have to go with it and move forwards.

If possible draft the replacement QB early.  Lawrence won’t be there so you’ll likely be picking between Wilson / Fields (depending on the Jets) and Trey Lance.  It’s also possible someone trades above the Eagles.  I wouldn’t give up much to trade up, since it will take multiple years I think before this team is out of the hole it’s in.

If the replacement doesn’t come through the draft, I’d look at veteran options to compete with Hurts (Sam Darnold, maybe) to at least shoot for competent QB play.

I’m less fussed in this path if Doug has another year or gets fired immediately.  Given the record with / without Wentz we’ve all seen, something just doesn’t work in that dynamic so I’m willing to give Doug a shot to work with a new QB, but also, he has to improve his management of assistant coaches, and the overall culture of accountability. 
Think they would entertain the idea of going with Lance? I’ve seen him play and he was great to watch. But not sure they will dip their toes in North Dakota State quarterbacks so quick. 

 
Think they would entertain the idea of going with Lance? I’ve seen him play and he was great to watch. But not sure they will dip their toes in North Dakota State quarterbacks so quick. 
That would be the ultimate F You to Wentz I think at this point. I like Wentz but I'm not as high on him coming out as I was on Carson but I still love the dude over someone like Justin Fields. Wouldn't touch that dude with a 50 foot pole being an OSU QB 

 
That would be the ultimate F You to Wentz I think at this point. I like Wentz but I'm not as high on him coming out as I was on Carson but I still love the dude over someone like Justin Fields. Wouldn't touch that dude with a 50 foot pole being an OSU QB 
If you mean Lance I agree. Was able to watch them both play and I liked Wentz more coming out of NDSU. 

 
If you mean Lance I agree. Was able to watch them both play and I liked Wentz more coming out of NDSU. 
Yes I mean Lance. I watched Lance play as I had a soft spot for NDST before Wentz was QB so I saw a lot of Wentz when he was there. Wentz was my favorite QB to watch in College after the Tebow Florida yrs. I d still take Lance over a lot of the other guys though especially Fields. maybe even Wilson. I'm still undecided on Mac Jones. I like Lawerence but I feel theres gonna be consistency issues at the next level. Seemed to get bailed out a few times on bad throws by his receivers and started this year rough Still the #1 pick I just don't love the guy like I did Burrow. 

 
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Cowboys linebacker Jaylon Smith was not fined by the NFL for his head shot on Jordan Mailata last week. Mailata suffered a concussion on the play.

 
Found this on another site so not my own

Former Cowboys DC Kris Richard- The “Safe Choice” with tons of experience in elite defenses in Seattle. Also held Top 10 defenses in terms of yards per play both years in Dallas. Tends to get some pressure on the QBs, but not elite. Have teams figured out his scheme?

Eagles LB Coach Ken Flajole- Internal candidate. Wouldn’t have a big shake up of defensive coaches. Been with the team since 2016 and experience as a DC under Steve Spagnulo is St. Louis. Developed LBs the best he could in my opinion. He’s 66 though so he may not be a long term answer and has never been the show runner for a “good” defense.

Clemson DC Brent Venables- Got toasted last night, but make no mistake he’s had some elite defenses at Clemson. Produced many good NFL talents. Loves to pressure the QB. Faced elite college competition. Can he make the jump to the NFL?

Washington DL Coach Sam Mills III- If we keep our philosophy of the importance of getting to the QB there may be no better guy. Has done a good job as Washington ranks 5th in Team Sacks. Lots of coaching experience mostly under defensive mastermind Ron Rivera. Former strength coach and DL Coach in Carolina. Never ran a defense at any level so there’s the obvious question of how he’d be calling plays, but has tons of related experience.

49ers DB Coach Tony Oden- Did a nice job this year making a golden pass defense with all of the injuries in the secondary. Has experience coaching defensive cornerstone Darius Slay in Detroit. Also never ran a defense at any level so that’s another obvious question mark.

Former Falcons Head Coach Dan Quinn- Not really a fan personally, but has experience leading a locker room and has a winning pedigree. Defense in Atlanta has regressed into the abyss, but one has to wonder if it’s scheme or personnel. Clashed with current DB Coach Marquand Manuel. Obviously a good defense in Seattle, but bottom 10 his last full year in Atlanta.

 
Per

@PFF

Jalen Hurts leads all quarterbacks in uncatchable inaccurate throw percentage at 28.8%. Carson Wentz ranks second at 25.5% #Eagles

 
What to do next year?

Since it will all happen one way or another after the game tomorrow night, here’s what I think should happen.

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Both paths start with firing Howie.  
I agree, but. All reports are pretty clear Howie is staying. He's made a myriad of mistakes, so I don't get it, but it is what it is.

Most likely scenario, imo - Pederson and Wentz are both back to try and fix the mistakes. 

 
How much of this is from crappy QB play and how much is from crappy O-Line play that forces throwaways? 
both? O line never had a chance either, with a NFL record O-line combinations, they had no chemistry. There's some talent there (once we got Peters out of there anyway - that failed mess was a huge part of the problem).

 
I agree, but. All reports are pretty clear Howie is staying. He's made a myriad of mistakes, so I don't get it, but it is what it is.

Most likely scenario, imo - Pederson and Wentz are both back to try and fix the mistakes. 
I think Lurie keeps Howie to let him try and figure out this cap hell he created. Then he fires him before 22 and brings in a new guy who has more roster flexibility. 

 
I think Lurie keeps Howie to let him try and figure out this cap hell he created. Then he fires him before 22 and brings in a new guy who has more roster flexibility. 
My problem with that is Howie will know he’s on the hot seat and likely to continue making short term moves which might delay a turnaround. Howie doesn’t like to admit mistakes and is likely to continue chasing sunk costs

 
How much of this is from crappy QB play and how much is from crappy O-Line play that forces throwaways? 
Actually, the common denominator you can look at here is coaching. This is why I want to see Wentz with another set of coaches before I’m willing to write him off. 

 
My problem with that is Howie will know he’s on the hot seat and likely to continue making short term moves which might delay a turnaround. Howie doesn’t like to admit mistakes and is likely to continue chasing sunk costs
That could be true too. 

 
I wonder if part of the rationale for keeping Doug is - with the cap problems and the QB mess, for potential coaches we are a much less attractive alternative this offseason than the Jags, Jets, Chargers, etc. Likely we would get the 6th or 7th best guy.

So, since the players like Doug, maybe it makes sense to give him another year and see what he can do to fix the situation. If he can’t and we have to ditch him after 2021, we’ll be in a better position to attract a top candidate since the cap situation will be better and likely one of Hurts or Wentz will have been traded away.

 
My problem with that is Howie will know he’s on the hot seat and likely to continue making short term moves which might delay a turnaround. Howie doesn’t like to admit mistakes and is likely to continue chasing sunk costs
That's why I don't think this is the case. Howie's here until Lurie loses full trust in him. 

 

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