***Official 2022 World Cup Thread*** (2 Viewers)

[AAABatteries]

Ok, now that they showed the guy who was offside, I watched again and MAYBE that makes sense. Crazy call though.

 

[QuizGuy66]

GOOOOOOOOOOOOL
(I assume....)
-QG

 

[NewlyRetired]

I was feeling a bit like Ted Lasso with a “how was that offsides” on the goal, but feel relieved coming in here and see that not just my ignorance being exposed, on that one anyway.

The replay shows why. I think we were all looking at the end of the play but it was offside at the very beginning.

 

[AAABatteries]

Man - what a start to this match

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Yellow for the GK? Denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity, no?

 

[AAABatteries]

I was feeling a bit like Ted Lasso with a “how was that offsides” on the goal, but feel relieved coming in here and see that not just my ignorance being exposed, on that one anyway.

The replay shows why. I think we were all looking at the end of the play but it was offside at the very beginning.

Yeah, I knew it was on the initial scrum but didn’t realize that because the keeper whiffed that the first player to touch it was the guy who was barely offside

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Cool as a cucumber penalty

 

[NewlyRetired]

ok it seems clear the Ecuador players don't look to have been bought as was rumored.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Cool as a cucumber penalty

When you watch a pk like that you almost wonder how anyone misses

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Agree with the idea that the GK playing the ball shouldn't impact offside. Ecuador was onside when they played the ball.

How is this situation any different than a guy standing in an offside position when a defender plays the ball straight to him on a back pass?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I was feeling a bit like Ted Lasso with a “how was that offsides” on the goal, but feel relieved coming in here and see that not just my ignorance being exposed, on that one anyway.

The replay shows why. I think we were all looking at the end of the play but it was offside at the very beginning.

Yeah, I knew it was on the initial scrum but didn’t realize that because the keeper whiffed that the first player to touch it was the guy who was barely offside

And there was still a defender behind that player so it LOOKED like onsides. But you actually need two players to hold you onsides and the goalie was out so he wasn't 1 of them like usual.

 

[AAABatteries]

Agree with the idea that the GK playing the ball shouldn't impact offside. Ecuador was onside when they played the ball.

How is this situation any different than a guy standing in an offside position when a defender plays the ball straight to him on a back pass?

The Ecuador guy gets his head on it though.

 

[prefontaine]

Yellow for the GK? Denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity, no?

There's not double jeopardy. As long as you are playing footie, it's not a red + penalty ever. If in the box, it's just a pk + yellow. Outside the box it would be a red + free kick.

 

[QuizGuy66]

ok it seems clear the Ecuador players don't look to have been bought as was rumored.

The one nice thing about the draw falling the way it did was that even if Qatar makes the knockouts there are going to play a country that all would have an axe or two to grind with them.

-QG

 

[heckmanm]

Yellow for the GK? Denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity, no?

There's not double jeopardy. As long as you are playing footie, it's not a red + penalty ever. If in the box, it's just a pk + yellow. Outside the box it would be a red + free kick.

Is this like “a move common to the game of futbol “ sort of thing? I.e. if you straight up closeline a guy in the box could it be PK+red?

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Yellow for the GK? Denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity, no?

There's not double jeopardy. As long as you are playing footie, it's not a red + penalty ever. If in the box, it's just a pk + yellow. Outside the box it would be a red + free kick.

Looked like he reached up and grabbed the leg to trip him after Valencia dribbled around him which wouldn't be playing footie, but yea I can see how that's debatable enough that he was going for the ball and not the leg to not call it.

 

[prefontaine]

Yellow for the GK? Denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity, no?

There's not double jeopardy. As long as you are playing footie, it's not a red + penalty ever. If in the box, it's just a pk + yellow. Outside the box it would be a red + free kick.

Is this like “a move common to the game of futbol “ sort of thing? I.e. if you straight up closeline a guy in the box could it be PK+red?

Yeah, that's pretty much it.

 

[AAABatteries]

Yellow for the GK? Denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity, no?

There's not double jeopardy. As long as you are playing footie, it's not a red + penalty ever. If in the box, it's just a pk + yellow. Outside the box it would be a red + free kick.

Is this like “a move common to the game of futbol “ sort of thing? I.e. if you straight up closeline a guy in the box could it be PK+red?

Yes, DOGSO wouldn’t be red in the box but dangerous play could be.

 

[prefontaine]

Yellow for the GK? Denial of an obvious goal scoring opportunity, no?

There's not double jeopardy. As long as you are playing footie, it's not a red + penalty ever. If in the box, it's just a pk + yellow. Outside the box it would be a red + free kick.

Looked like he reached up and grabbed the leg to trip him after Valencia dribbled around him which wouldn't be playing footie, but yea I can see how that's debatable enough that he was going for the ball and not the leg to not call it.

Yeah, there is a lot of leeway on it. The general thesis is just being bad is not a red card offense.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The Ecuador guy gets his head on it though.

On the GK punch?

 

[NewlyRetired]

Pretty

 

[AAABatteries]

The Ecuador guy gets his head on it though.

On the GK punch?

It looked to me like he did, yes.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Telemundo pulling no punches it seems

And yay Ecuador!!!

-QG

 

[AAABatteries]

Valencia could have a 30 minute hat trick.

 

[NewlyRetired]

This is odd. I have watched Qatar play a few times this cycle and while clearly not 1970 Brazil, they always looked at least competent.

The moment may be too big for them.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

they always looked at least competent.

I'm surprised too given how well they played at the Gold Cup. Competent skill and they knew each other as well as you'd expect given how much they play together.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Watching the Ecuadorans celebrate while the Qataris are glum is giving me life.

 

[QuizGuy66]

This is going to get really brutal, Ecuador has no choice but to pour it on as they presumably are battling Senegal for the tiebreaker.
And then Senegal will be in the exact same position on Friday trying to beat whatever margin Ecuador gets today.
Oddly enough Netherlands could be the most merciful game for Qatar if they don't need the result and just seek rest and avoiding needless cards in a dead rubber match.
And if any of these Qats get a 2nd yellow...this could end up 6-0.

That would really be a shame....








-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

And this is an Ecuador team that has had like zero time together, no?

-QG

 

[NewlyRetired]

Not surprising of course but this is the least amount of females I have ever seen at a WC game in all my years of watching.

 

[prefontaine]

they always looked at least competent.

I'm surprised too given how well they played at the Gold Cup. Competent skill and they knew each other as well as you'd expect given how much they play together.

Gold Cup is not exactly chock full of top sides. They lost to the USA B-team.

 

[Dickies]

That offsides goal was sick, and that header was beautiful.

The Qatari emirs they keep showing look like they’re contemplating murder.

 

[TLEF316]

So all the "Qatar fans" in t shirts jumping up and down.....They're all paid actors, right?

 

[NewlyRetired]

And this is an Ecuador team that has had like zero time together, no?

-QG

as in prep time? Yeah, almost all the countries had to scramble. But they had a full cycle together through the massive South American process.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Surprised there doesn't appear to be too many women in the Qatar fan section.

 

[massraider]

The Qatari emirs they keep showing look like they’re contemplating murder.

That's also how they look when celebrating their birthday.

 

[NewlyRetired]

they always looked at least competent.

I'm surprised too given how well they played at the Gold Cup. Competent skill and they knew each other as well as you'd expect given how much they play together.

Gold Cup is not exactly chock full of top sides. They lost to the USA B-team.

They also won the Asian championship over full strength Iran, Japan, South Korea and Australia . And we are not talking about winning, we are talking basic competence.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Will be interesting to see the crowd balance in Iran vs England. Assuming we'll hear the Iranians and their Bay City Rollers chant for most of that game.
-QG

 

[FreeBaGeL]

He was offsides by a mile anyway.

 

[Steve Tasker]

He was offsides by a mile anyway.

Looked like it to me.

 

[QuizGuy66]

Oh man here is an amazing video of Valencia while we are at halftime

-QG

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Damn - Qatari goal there would have made things a bit more interesting.

 

[PIK95]

Agree with the idea that the GK playing the ball shouldn't impact offside. Ecuador was onside when they played the ball.

How is this situation any different than a guy standing in an offside position when a defender plays the ball straight to him on a back pass?

I only saw it in real time but I believe it was a next to last defender situation. When the keeper gets higher than a defender, HE is usually the last defender. I did see a replay where they showed a still of a leg offsides, but I saw it differently in real time. The pundits did a terrible job explaining the situation either way. I will look for it again later when I have time to see what actually happened.

 

[Steve Tasker]

Oh man here is an amazing video of Valencia while we are at halftime

-QG

Truly the beautiful game

 

[NewlyRetired]

I fear the US will come out nervous and look like Qatar did in the first half...

 

[Dickies]

Damn - Qatari goal there would have made things a bit more interesting.

Looked like he was offside by 5+ yards

 

[PIK95]

I fear the US will come out nervous and look like Qatar did in the first half...

Impossible. As bad as we are, we actually have talent. This team is bad.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

Agree with the idea that the GK playing the ball shouldn't impact offside. Ecuador was onside when they played the ball.

How is this situation any different than a guy standing in an offside position when a defender plays the ball straight to him on a back pass?

I only saw it in real time but I believe it was a next to last defender situation. When the keeper gets higher than a defender, HE is usually the last defender. I did see a replay where they showed a still of a leg offsides, but I saw it differently in real time. The pundits did a terrible job explaining the situation either way. I will look for it again later when I have time to see what actually happened.

Yes, there was one defender high of him, and the 2nd defender he had a leg just barely past.

Again, I really hate that to account for the goalie they made the rule that you have to have 2 defenders high of you, instead of just making it 1 non-goalie defender high of you. But it is what it is and by the book it was offsides.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

I fear the US will come out nervous and look like Qatar did in the first half...

Impossible. As bad as we are, we actually have talent. This team is bad.

We have had plenty of games where we looked that bad for a half, and several times against teams much worse than Ecuador.

 

[NewlyRetired]

OptaFranz

@OptaFranz

5 - Enner #Valencia has scored each of Ecuador's last five goals at the #FIFAWorldCup - the record is held by Eusébio (Portugal 1966), Paolo Rossi (Italy 1982) and Oleg Salenko (Russia 1994) who scored six in a row of their nation