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***Official 2022 World Cup Thread*** (2 Viewers)

QuizGuy66 said:
NewlyRetired said:
There are two main techniques. Smash it or try to make the keeper go the wrong way. He was clearly trying to make the keeper move early with his jerky movements but the keeper did not bite. I don't think he was tentative, I think the keeper just out played him there in standing his ground.
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Shoulda just been straightforward
-QG
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I always prefer when they rely on skill vs guessing games. I mean how many times have they practiced PKs in their life vs RNG.
 
NewlyRetired said:
There are two main techniques. Smash it or try to make the keeper go the wrong way. He was clearly trying to make the keeper move early with his jerky movements but the keeper did not bite. I don't think he was tentative, I think the keeper just out played him there in standing his ground.
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I've always thought it makes the most sense to drive it low and hard at the spot where the goalie is standing. I base this on two reasons: 1) You increase your margin of error since the shot will at least inevitably be on net; and 2) most goalies seem to always dive to one side.

Have PKs been analyzed for best chance of success?
 
NewlyRetired said:
Rich Conway said:
Seemed like that was not the goalie's fault, that his defenders hung him out to dry.

Ugh, looked even worse on replay. Defenders had multiple chances to stop that and whiffed at least three times.
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yeah, that was awful. Two defenders whiffed almost identically too.
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I don't think either of the goals are on the Ghana goalie. I suppose he could have gotten more on that first save but I thought it skillful to at least make the initial stop.
 
A couple more goals puts this baby into play...

A (South Korea) win and a Uruguay win and Uruguay's margin of victory is exactly 1 more than South Korea's margin of victory and Uruguay outscores South Korea by exactly 2 and South Korea has a better fair play record (currently South Korea -3, Uruguay -3)

-QG
 
Zow said:
NewlyRetired said:
There are two main techniques. Smash it or try to make the keeper go the wrong way. He was clearly trying to make the keeper move early with his jerky movements but the keeper did not bite. I don't think he was tentative, I think the keeper just out played him there in standing his ground.
Click to expand...
I've always thought it makes the most sense to drive it low and hard at the spot where the goalie is standing. I base this on two reasons: 1) You increase your margin of error since the shot will at least inevitably be on net; and 2) most goalies seem to always dive to one side.

Have PKs been analyzed for best chance of success?
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I would think low middle would also enhance the chance of a favorable rebound

-QG
 
Zow said:
NewlyRetired said:
There are two main techniques. Smash it or try to make the keeper go the wrong way. He was clearly trying to make the keeper move early with his jerky movements but the keeper did not bite. I don't think he was tentative, I think the keeper just out played him there in standing his ground.
Click to expand...
I've always thought it makes the most sense to drive it low and hard at the spot where the goalie is standing. I base this on two reasons: 1) You increase your margin of error since the shot will at least inevitably be on net; and 2) most goalies seem to always dive to one side.

Have PKs been analyzed for best chance of success?
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There are some players who will smash in the middle but you typically see that technique employed more in a PK shoot out (where everything becomes a mind game) than in the regular part of the game.

There is a beloved/hated PK called the Panenka which is similar to yours except that it is not shot hard. Looks silly when it goes in, and looks even worse when the keeper does not move. Give it a quick google to see what it is.

As for your question, I have not seen a PK analysis but they seem to analyze everything these days so there probably is some report out there.
 
NewlyRetired said:
Zow said:
NewlyRetired said:
There are two main techniques. Smash it or try to make the keeper go the wrong way. He was clearly trying to make the keeper move early with his jerky movements but the keeper did not bite. I don't think he was tentative, I think the keeper just out played him there in standing his ground.
Click to expand...
I've always thought it makes the most sense to drive it low and hard at the spot where the goalie is standing. I base this on two reasons: 1) You increase your margin of error since the shot will at least inevitably be on net; and 2) most goalies seem to always dive to one side.

Have PKs been analyzed for best chance of success?
Click to expand...

There are some players who will smash in the middle but you typically see that technique employed more in a PK shoot out (where everything becomes a mind game) than in the regular part of the game.

There is a beloved/hated PK called the Panenka which is similar to yours accept that it is not shot hard. Looks silly when it goes in, and looks even worse when the keeper does not move. Give it a quick google to see what it is.

As for your question, I have not see a PK analysis but they seem to analyze everything these days so there probably is some report out there.
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I'm familiar with this technique and agree with your description. Seems more open to error than what I suggested.
 
QuizGuy66 said:
Zow said:
NewlyRetired said:
There are two main techniques. Smash it or try to make the keeper go the wrong way. He was clearly trying to make the keeper move early with his jerky movements but the keeper did not bite. I don't think he was tentative, I think the keeper just out played him there in standing his ground.
Click to expand...
I've always thought it makes the most sense to drive it low and hard at the spot where the goalie is standing. I base this on two reasons: 1) You increase your margin of error since the shot will at least inevitably be on net; and 2) most goalies seem to always dive to one side.

Have PKs been analyzed for best chance of success?
Click to expand...

I would think low middle would also enhance the chance of a favorable rebound

-QG
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Right. That's part of my "increased margin of error" analysis. Kind of like in golf where it's usually wise to hit a club that goes the distance of the widest part of the fairway.
 
Zow said:
NewlyRetired said:
There are two main techniques. Smash it or try to make the keeper go the wrong way. He was clearly trying to make the keeper move early with his jerky movements but the keeper did not bite. I don't think he was tentative, I think the keeper just out played him there in standing his ground.
Click to expand...
I've always thought it makes the most sense to drive it low and hard at the spot where the goalie is standing. I base this on two reasons: 1) You increase your margin of error since the shot will at least inevitably be on net; and 2) most goalies seem to always dive to one side.

Have PKs been analyzed for best chance of success?
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I've long thought that goalies on PK's should just stay put. From what I can tell a majority of PK's really end up in that center third of the goal. If he just stands there and reacts he should be able to save a large portion of PK's.
 
Zow said:
QuizGuy66 said:
Zow said:
NewlyRetired said:
There are two main techniques. Smash it or try to make the keeper go the wrong way. He was clearly trying to make the keeper move early with his jerky movements but the keeper did not bite. I don't think he was tentative, I think the keeper just out played him there in standing his ground.
Click to expand...
I've always thought it makes the most sense to drive it low and hard at the spot where the goalie is standing. I base this on two reasons: 1) You increase your margin of error since the shot will at least inevitably be on net; and 2) most goalies seem to always dive to one side.

Have PKs been analyzed for best chance of success?
Click to expand...

I would think low middle would also enhance the chance of a favorable rebound

-QG
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Right. That's part of my "increased margin of error" analysis. Kind of like in golf where it's usually wise to hit a club that goes the distance of the widest part of the fairway.
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Off-topic, but hasn't the recent golf analytics revolution changed this line of thinking into basically "closer to the pin is always better"?
 
Was a row too high on my own chart :bag:

Uruguay needs one now. C'mon need that 4 goal flurry - 2 apiece by GHA and URU to get us to cards/ping pong balls

-QG
 
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