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The artistry of that goal - hang it in the Brazilian equivalent of the Louvre.
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***Official 2022 World Cup Thread*** (3 Viewers)
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Funny you bring this up....
We are leasing the back warehouse space to a hot tub company who had a year-end closing sale this weekend. One of the heavy set guys who works for them just came in to use the bathroom. He's wearing a Heath Bar sweatshirt. So I asked him - "Hey, where can a fella get a Heath Bar sweatshirt?" He said he created it himself off the internet and then showed me a giant tattoo on his right forearm that's also a Heath Bar. I said "Man, you must REALLY love Heath Bars" and he said "No, not really, but that's my name and so I figured why not?".
Would it be weird if I asked him to take a picture with me?
Jaysus
Good times!
only if the photo excludes a heath bar.
Funny you bring this up....
We are leasing the back warehouse space to a hot tub company who had a year-end closing sale this weekend. One of the heavy set guys who works for them just came in to use the bathroom. He's wearing a Heath Bar sweatshirt. So I asked him - "Hey, where can a fella get a Heath Bar sweatshirt?" He said he created it himself off the internet and then showed me a giant tattoo on his right forearm that's also a Heath Bar. I said "Man, you must REALLY love Heath Bars" and he said "No, not really, but that's my name and so I figured why not?".
Would it be weird if I asked him to take a picture with me?
P.S. Raphinha REALLY wants a goal.
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
they're using a freaking ladder
Dickies
Footballguy
The second goal was one of the more ridiculous dives I've seen in this tournament. Fitting that it came from Brazil.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Not sure I would call it a dive - I would call it a ridiculous embellishment by Richarlison but the guy clipped him a little.
Dickies
Footballguy
Was definitely a dive. The replay made it clear to me that he really had no intention of playing the ball and came from behind the defender with the intent to take contact. He got grazed and went down.
Jaysus
Good times!
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Nice consolation goal.
Zow
Footballguy
If you videoed it while eating a Heath bar in one bite...
Funny you bring this up....
We are leasing the back warehouse space to a hot tub company who had a year-end closing sale this weekend. One of the heavy set guys who works for them just came in to use the bathroom. He's wearing a Heath Bar sweatshirt. So I asked him - "Hey, where can a fella get a Heath Bar sweatshirt?" He said he created it himself off the internet and then showed me a giant tattoo on his right forearm that's also a Heath Bar. I said "Man, you must REALLY love Heath Bars" and he said "No, not really, but that's my name and so I figured why not?".
Would it be weird if I asked him to take a picture with me?
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Will wait and see what Spain and Portugal bring but nothing has changed my mind that this is a Brazil-France final. I'm biased and think England could ruin that matchup, but Brazil and France have pretty easily been the two best teams so far.
heckmanm
Footballguy
While getting a full back tattoo of a bunch of trees...If you videoed it while eating a Heath bar in one bite...
Funny you bring this up....
We are leasing the back warehouse space to a hot tub company who had a year-end closing sale this weekend. One of the heavy set guys who works for them just came in to use the bathroom. He's wearing a Heath Bar sweatshirt. So I asked him - "Hey, where can a fella get a Heath Bar sweatshirt?" He said he created it himself off the internet and then showed me a giant tattoo on his right forearm that's also a Heath Bar. I said "Man, you must REALLY love Heath Bars" and he said "No, not really, but that's my name and so I figured why not?".
Would it be weird if I asked him to take a picture with me?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
i'd like to see a pic of ole Heath
Funny you bring this up....
We are leasing the back warehouse space to a hot tub company who had a year-end closing sale this weekend. One of the heavy set guys who works for them just came in to use the bathroom. He's wearing a Heath Bar sweatshirt. So I asked him - "Hey, where can a fella get a Heath Bar sweatshirt?" He said he created it himself off the internet and then showed me a giant tattoo on his right forearm that's also a Heath Bar. I said "Man, you must REALLY love Heath Bars" and he said "No, not really, but that's my name and so I figured why not?".
Would it be weird if I asked him to take a picture with me?
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Funny you bring this up....
We are leasing the back warehouse space to a hot tub company who had a year-end closing sale this weekend. One of the heavy set guys who works for them just came in to use the bathroom. He's wearing a Heath Bar sweatshirt. So I asked him - "Hey, where can a fella get a Heath Bar sweatshirt?" He said he created it himself off the internet and then showed me a giant tattoo on his right forearm that's also a Heath Bar. I said "Man, you must REALLY love Heath Bars" and he said "No, not really, but that's my name and so I figured why not?".
Would it be weird if I asked him to take a picture with me?
I wonder if he has a brother named Richard who also has tattoos...
-QG
titusbramble
Footballguy
So who had Korea -0.5 in the second half?
Capella
Footballguy
I couldn’t believe that was a penalty kick but the announcers were so certain of it that I just felt dumb. I hate penalty kicks when there is a non-goal scoring opportunity.
Zow
Footballguy
Has to be one of the best goals I've ever seen.
titusbramble
Footballguy
I hate it when penalties are not given because referees think there should be a higher standard of foul than "direct free kick offence which takes place in the penalty area"
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Yeah - when a guy has his back to goal like that it does seem unfair. Richarlison was fouled but just barely. It’s just impossible to differentiate so they just make all fouls in the box a penalty.
Capella
Footballguy
Feels like there can be middle ground there between doing nothing and giving a free goal when a guy has his back turned on the net.
Not trying to be some dumb American changing the rules of the game here, just seems disproportionately punitive.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Yeah it was a penalty by the definition of the rule, but I agree it felt like a cheesy way for SK to give it up. He was just kicking a ball with no one around from his perspective, and Richarlison just kind of slid his foot in between the ball and his foot at the last minute, at the very edge of the box, moving away from the goal, with no intent other than to put his foot into a spot where the guy's natural kicking motion would hit him.
Cheeky on his part, but sucks to give up a penalty in a totally non-threatening position because a player saw an opportunity to slip his foot in front of a player at the last second out of nowhere.
Cheeky on his part, but sucks to give up a penalty in a totally non-threatening position because a player saw an opportunity to slip his foot in front of a player at the last second out of nowhere.
Zow
Footballguy
Essentially that the best kick is a hard shot right in the middle to middle-low. I base the theory on two ideas: 1) the keeper almost always seems to dive to one side; and 2) doing so gives the shooter the widest margin for error and effectively removes the chance of missing the net entirely.What is your theory?Basically proves my theory wrong. Thanks for posting.Some one was asking earlier about a study on PK's. I just saw this posted
World Cup 2022: How to take a penalty in a shootout
BBC Sport and Opta analyse the 279 World Cup shootout penalties to see the best ways to score your kick.www.bbc.com
I find it interesting that the article says go high. I never taught that as a coach and encourage the bottom back corner. You can kick over the goal but not under it.
Yes its different for pros then youth, but still.
I'd also argue that in regular play it seems most likely that a save on this kind of shot would give a good rebound chance.
To illustrate the kick I am opining on, the second Croatia scorer did it perfectly. See here at the 17 second mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9LOxzComp4
However, as demonstrated with the link study, apparently I'm completely wrong and the best play is something to a top corner. I suppose this makes sense as those shots are essentially impossible to stop even if the goalie correctly guesses the side (e.g. Wales' perfect PK to tie us in the first game). But, I would have thought this would have been offset by the more narrow margin of error and I am probably somewhat biased in my thinking because it was drilled into me when I was a young club player to go low and hard to take away error and, naturally here, we're talking about the best players in the world versus a 12 year old American kid.
This is exactly how I feel. Yeah, by definition it is a penalty but there has got to be some discretion there. Luckily Brazil dominated and that call didn't make a difference but I'd hate to see a world cup game decided on such a weak foul.
B Maverick
Footballguy
The funny thing is I always went down the middle. Heck even against my buddy who knew that's what I was going to do. He still dove and was so pissed at me.Essentially that the best kick is a hard shot right in the middle to middle-low. I base the theory on two ideas: 1) the keeper almost always seems to dive to one side; and 2) doing so gives the shooter the widest margin for error and effectively removes the chance of missing the net entirely.What is your theory?Basically proves my theory wrong. Thanks for posting.Some one was asking earlier about a study on PK's. I just saw this posted
World Cup 2022: How to take a penalty in a shootout
BBC Sport and Opta analyse the 279 World Cup shootout penalties to see the best ways to score your kick.
I find it interesting that the article says go high. I never taught that as a coach and encourage the bottom back corner. You can kick over the goal but not under it.
Yes its different for pros then youth, but still.
I'd also argue that in regular play it seems most likely that a save on this kind of shot would give a good rebound chance.
To illustrate the kick I am opining on, the second Croatia scorer did it perfectly. See here at the 17 second mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9LOxzComp4
However, as demonstrated with the link study, apparently I'm completely wrong and the best play is something to a top corner. I suppose this makes sense as those shots are essentially impossible to stop even if the goalie correctly guesses the side (e.g. Wales' perfect PK to tie us in the first game). But, I would have thought this would have been offset by the more narrow margin of error and I am probably somewhat biased in my thinking because it was drilled into me when I was a young club player to go low and hard to take away error and, naturally here, we're talking about the best players in the world versus a 12 year old American kid.
But in coaching and what I tell my daughter is bottom back corner. Highest margin of error and really no keeper at the youth age is getting there.
I would believe for pros and world class players, their margin of error is smaller anyway so going high isn't as much of a risk as it is for us Sunday leagers or former non pros.
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Feels like there can be middle ground there between doing nothing and giving a free goal when a guy has his back turned on the net.
Not trying to be some dumb American changing the rules of the game here, just seems disproportionately punitive.
If he is fouled with his back to the goal make him take the penalty with his back to the goal.
-QG
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Feels like there can be middle ground there between doing nothing and giving a free goal when a guy has his back turned on the net.
Not trying to be some dumb American changing the rules of the game here, just seems disproportionately punitive.
If he is fouled with his back to the goal make him take the penalty with his back to the goal.
-QG
On this same line of thinking, in all seriousness, I've always wondered why you get to let anyone take the PK and not make the guy who got fouled kick the PK. I would guess the idea is they don't want non-strikers getting fouled intentionally because they're worse PK'ers ,but a PK is such a massively +EV play with ANYONE shooting it I can't imagine anyone hack-a-shaqing a weaker player in there intentionally.
And, if nothing else, it really makes Golden Boot, etc awards kind of silly to me. Because usually the winner is a guy who's had multiple penalties that were drawn by other players, which are basically gifts. Like calling Son/Salah a tie last year in the EPL for most goals is silly to me when Salah essentially got a 5 goal headstart because he takes PKs for his team.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
This thread articulates a lot of what I've been trying to think through since Saturday. My take has a little bit of expansion on that thread...
LvG bet that the Netherlands could concede dangerous possession/chances to the US and get away with it. And they did.
Berhalter bet on his team to finish. And they couldn't do it.
In the end LvG won the bet, and would probably win it like 75% of the time. But what was the option? (And can you imagine the howls if we'd played a boring 0-0 or gone out 0-1 with Berhalter keeping his fullbacks deep?)
LvG bet that the Netherlands could concede dangerous possession/chances to the US and get away with it. And they did.
Berhalter bet on his team to finish. And they couldn't do it.
In the end LvG won the bet, and would probably win it like 75% of the time. But what was the option? (And can you imagine the howls if we'd played a boring 0-0 or gone out 0-1 with Berhalter keeping his fullbacks deep?)
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I’d love to know how that game plays out if CP is able to get that ball past the keeper.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
My (uneducated) guess is the Dutch equalize inside 20 minutes and the game largely plays out the same way. You still had the same issues of clear fatigue that would have led to the same marking mistakes that happened anyway. A goal 3 minutes in doesn’t change much tactically.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
Based on game play so far, Argentina will get slaughtered.
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah, to my amateur eye, Brazil, France, and Spain* all seem a notch above.
*I recognize they barely made it out of the group stage but they look "good."
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
No joke... I played soccer maybe eight or ten times. I can remember all five goals I scored AND another half-dozen chances I'd have put away if I'd had any idea what I was doing. Like I can still describe all of them. And this is 20 years ago in a sport I never played seriously.
ZERO chance CP doesn't think about that one many many days for the rest of his life.
Sand
Footballguy
Right now I think they lose to Holland. Or even The Netherlands.
The Z Machine
Footballguy
But not the Dutch. Never the Dutch.
Funny you bring this up....
We are leasing the back warehouse space to a hot tub company who had a year-end closing sale this weekend. One of the heavy set guys who works for them just came in to use the bathroom. He's wearing a Heath Bar sweatshirt. So I asked him - "Hey, where can a fella get a Heath Bar sweatshirt?" He said he created it himself off the internet and then showed me a giant tattoo on his right forearm that's also a Heath Bar. I said "Man, you must REALLY love Heath Bars" and he said "No, not really, but that's my name and so I figured why not?".
Would it be weird if I asked him to take a picture with me?
Probably a little, but you could get away with it if his Heath Bar has been holstered.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
thanks for this. It's a pleasant read...
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Landon is really not good at this commentating thing.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
I, for one, am rooting for the upset and chaos.
TripleThreat
Footballguy
https://t.co/UyH5g4UTOP eviscerating commentary on the broadcast as a whole from the guardian
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Jayrod
Footballguy
Zow
Footballguy
Yeah I'm starting to feel silly for claiming that Spain belonged with France and Brazil as the teams that seem a notch above all others.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
This has been the knock on "tiki-taka" forever. It tends to smother the other team and there are long periods where Barcelona or Spain are just playing keep away without looking like they're doing anything.
Sand
Footballguy
I find it to truly be the "beautiful game". I could watch them play for hours.
Poke_4_Life
Footballguy
Holy hell... this line...
"But to be fair, this is not the first time that a group of Americans has blundered into a country in the Middle East without bothering to fully educate itself about the facts on the ground first."
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
An awful lot of history in one paragraph here...
Spain won the European Championship in 2008 and 2012, sandwiched around a World Cup win in 2010 playing this style. The only national team to ever win 3 major trophies in a row IIRC.
Then Pep Guardiola's Barcelona team took this idea and perfected it. With Hall of Fame quality midfielders and then Messi, Neymar and Suarez (among others) up front, playing together every day for years, it tends to look a little more exciting.
Guardiola is at Man City now (likely the best team in the world) where they still play a 4-3-3 with a lot of passing, but it's more direct.
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