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***Official 2023 Pro Cycling Thread*** - The Vuelta will be a Primoz, Vigo, G, Remco mosh pit (1 Viewer)

Best rider from United States on July 4th in recent Tour de France editions.

YEARSTAGEBEST RIDERRNK
2021Stage 9KUSS Sepp60
2017Stage 4TALANSKY Andrew54
2016Stage 3CRADDOCK Lawson17
2015Stage 1VAN GARDEREN Tejay20
2013Stage 6VAN GARDEREN Tejay25
2012Stage 4HORNER Chris63
2011Stage 3FARRAR Tyler1
2010Stage 1ARMSTRONG Lance53
2009Stage 1LEIPHEIMER Levi6
2006Stage 3HINCAPIE George15
 
Best rider from United States on July 4th in recent Tour de France editions.

YEARSTAGEBEST RIDERRNK
2021Stage 9KUSS Sepp60
2017Stage 4TALANSKY Andrew54
2016Stage 3CRADDOCK Lawson17
2015Stage 1VAN GARDEREN Tejay20
2013Stage 6VAN GARDEREN Tejay25
2012Stage 4HORNER Chris63
2011Stage 3FARRAR Tyler1
2010Stage 1ARMSTRONG Lance53
2009Stage 1LEIPHEIMER Levi6
2006Stage 3HINCAPIE George15
Don’t you cross those heroes out.
 
Best rider from United States on July 4th in recent Tour de France editions.

YEARSTAGEBEST RIDERRNK
2021Stage 9KUSS Sepp60
2017Stage 4TALANSKY Andrew54
2016Stage 3CRADDOCK Lawson17
2015Stage 1VAN GARDEREN Tejay20
2013Stage 6VAN GARDEREN Tejay25
2012Stage 4HORNER Chris63
2011Stage 3FARRAR Tyler1
2010Stage 1ARMSTRONG Lance53
2009Stage 1LEIPHEIMER Levi6
2006Stage 3HINCAPIE George15
Don’t you cross those heroes out.

copy pasta from PCS

I love those guys, the Move is one of my favorite cycling podcasts
 
Even the intermediate sprint was ho-hum.

Girmay was a bad pick on my part. Don't get the thought behind fighting for position on a sprint and then coasting the last 50m.
 
Johan Bruyneel said MvdP was more talented than WvA

(George & Lance falling out of their chairs laughing should have been a clue I picked up on)
 
Even the intermediate sprint was ho-hum.

Girmay was a bad pick on my part. Don't get the thought behind fighting for position on a sprint and then coasting the last 50m.

I feel like - in general - bunch sprints have tended to, especially finishes for the stage win, be spread out in the Giro and the Vuelta. Historically we've seen more domination by a single sprinter/leadout team in TdF. Doesn't mean we won't see 5-6 different winners on this Tour, but historically the other two GTs have been more spread out and Le Tour more concentrated.
 
at least three crashes/ six riders down on the track

that was nuts

think pocket rocket got it
 
MVDP has been relegated and fined.

Team sport, individualized penalty. If you’re a lead-out, I guess the UCI is OK if you hinder other sprinters as your sprinter will never be penalised by your actions.

Anyway, I still win the Stage without MvdP’s points but dropped off the podium in the overall standings.
 
Parcours builder Thierry Gouvenou on yesterday's finish: "A straight line is not safer, quite the contrary"
The finale of the 3rd stage in the Tour de France garnered a lot of criticism from riders and cycling followers alike. Wasn't it irresponsible to put another bend at the very end? Parcours builder Thierry Gouvenou explains why there was no other way.

Did Jasper Philipsen deviate from his line in yesterday's sprint? The right turn in the last 100 meters made it almost impossible to assess. Moreover, that finale encouraged dangerous situations, such as with Wout van Aert.

"We have to admit that the finish was indeed not straight, that's obvious," said course builder Thierry Gouvenou to Sporza. "The Bayonne people had first made 2 other proposals, both of which I refused because it would be too dangerous. In the end we agreed on their 3rd proposal."

"It's true that that finish was not ideal, but in my opinion there are more often crashes with a straight finish than with a curve. We shouldn't reason too strictly. Straight finishes are no guarantee of no crashes." Gouvenou also noted delicately, "They didn't crash at all yesterday either, which is pretty rare for a first bunch sprint in the Tour anyway."

How do you find space for a finish line in a big city?

According to the parcours builder, it does become increasingly difficult to still organize a safe finish in larger cities. "In this case, it just wasn't possible to finish on a straight. You also have to take into account that at the finish we need different technical zones and space for the public. So you need enough space. People don't think about that very quickly."

"We could also have driven to a city further away, where it might have been safer. But the riders might not have liked that after 2 tough stages in the Basque Country."

Safer boarding for the finale? "Bad for ecological footprint"


In the Tour, they also still use the wafer-thin nadar fences at the finish line. Among other things, that caused Wout van Aert to hit someone in the crowd in a full sprint. Still, the wider fences by the Belgian company Boplan and others are not an option, Gouvenou said. "Each country has its own means of providing security," he said. "We put heavy emphasis on signage and other safety measures are also improving every year. Our resources are at least as good as Boplan's."

But wouldn't those thicker fences increase the distance between the riders and the public and thus still make it safer for the riders? "Maybe. But if you want to make your whole finale with that kind of closure, you need 6 to 7 more trucks. We also have to think about our carbon footprint." In any case, the stage finish in Bayonne seems at odds with the ambitious SafeR safety plans unfolded last Friday.

"I'm on the SafeR working group," Gouvenou said. "But for now they are only ideas; the plans have yet to become concrete. Only then can you draw conclusions about whether it works effectively."
 
I don't know if we'll see GC ACTION℗ today but it won't be boring.

I like to look at ProfileScore as a shorthand indicator for whether a stage will be worthwhile. Bunch sprints are awesome, just takes 5 hours to get to the climax. Oh the horror.

When I was a younger man, I had a legit medical condition called anorgasmia aka delayed ejaculation disorder. My fiancé at the time was multi-orgamasic. Boy, talk about being sexually incompatible....I was bored by the tedium and she was suffering from sensory overload. Welp, that one didn't work itself out.

Anyway....I often think mountain stages are where it's at, and that does usually decide the GC. But I appreciate all the different parcours, for different reasons. One of the great aspects of grand tour cycling is it sometimes isn't at all what you expected beforehand. Then sometimes you get a stage you think is exactly what you want but it turns out to be not that great.
  • Stage 1 Distance 182 km Parcours Type - hilly ProfileScore 166 Vertical Climb 3221 m
  • Stage 2 Distance 208.9 km Parcours Type - hilly ProfileScore 141 Vertical Climb 2949 m
  • Stage 3 Distance 193.5 km Parcours Type - flat ProfileScore 68 Vertical Climb 2667 m
  • Stage 4 Distance 181.8 km Parcours Type - flat ProfileScore 20 Vertical Climb 1427 m

  • Stage 5 Distance 162.7km Parcours Type - mountainProfileScore 239 Vertical Climb 3652 m
  • Stage 6 Distance 144.9 km Parcours Type - mountain ProfileScore 310 Vertical Climb 3894 m
  • Stage 7 Distance 169.9 km Parcours Type - flat ProfileScore 7 Vertical Climb 808 m
  • Stage 8 Distance 200.7 km Parcours Type - flat ProfileScore 61 Vertical Climb 1996 m
  • Stage 9 Distance 182.4 km Parcours Type - mountain ProfileScore 273 Vertical Climb 3441 m
  • rest day
  • Stage 10 Distance 167.2 km Parcours Type - hilly ProfileScore 118 Vertical Climb 3151 m
  • Stage 11 Distance 179.8 km Parcours Type - flat ProfileScore 34 Vertical Climb 1873 m
  • Stage 12 Distance 168.8 km Parcours Type - hilly ProfileScore 147 Vertical Climb 3120 m
  • Stage 13 Distance 137.8 km Parcours Type - uphill ProfileScore 260 Vertical Climb 2413 m
  • Stage 14 Distance 151.8 km Parcours Type - mountain ProfileScore 308 Vertical Climb 4281 m
  • Stage 15 Distance 179 km Parcours Type - mountain ProfileScore 335 Vertical Climb 4483 m
  • rest day
  • Stage 16 ITT Distance 22.4 km Parcours Type - uphill ProfileScore 109 Vertical Climb 636 m
  • Stage 17 Distance 165.7 km Parcours Type - mountain ProfileScore 445 Vertical Climb 5399 m
  • Stage 18 Distance 184.9 km Parcours Type - flat ProfileScore 18 Vertical Climb 1216 m
  • Stage 19 Distance 172.8 km Parcours Type - downhill ProfileScore 50 Vertical Climb 1934 m
  • Stage 20 Distance 133.5 km Parcours Type - mountain ProfileScore 303 Vertical Climb 3471 m
  • Stage 21 Distance 115.1 km Parcours Type - flat ProfileScore 14 Vertical Climb 571 m
 
shoot.....Fabio (crashed yesterday) out the back and they're not even climbing yet. teammate helping him. both DNS today were consequences of yesterday's crashes.

WvO was trying to put together a breakaway but this peloton is so nervous. guess they're just reeling in Latour but they're got 11 let's see if this succeeds.

Mørkøv dragging Jakobsen back to the rear of the main group.
 
Pre-race Interviewer: Are you afraid of the time limit today?

Fabio: I'm always afraid of the time limit.. (walks away)

Jakobsen apparently had a terrible night with little sleep. He's in pain and has stiff muscles. He said he has no idea how he's going to survive the next 2 days. This is going to be a long day for him. Hope he can make it.

large group (37 riders) 21 seconds in front of the peloton but very difficult getting anything substantial established despite repeated attacks. Van Aert, Alaphlippe, Hindley all in the front.
 
Strange start. Expected a small group to get away but this is a huge group. New yellow today.
 
Breakaway points are awarded to riders who are in the lead break at 50% distance through the stage. A breakaway is defined as a group of 30 riders or less, with a measurable gap of five seconds to any groups behind them.

Good news is the halfway point is about halfway up the HC climb.
 
Breakaway points are awarded to riders who are in the lead break at 50% distance through the stage. A breakaway is defined as a group of 30 riders or less, with a measurable gap of five seconds to any groups behind them.

Good news is the halfway point is about halfway up the HC climb.

Mads & Wout can climb though

surprised they let Jai in group 2

gaps are 1:10 (3) and 2:45 (33) rn so still under 4 minutes
 
I imagine it went like this...

Pog: "Hindley literally does nothing”

Jonas: “He just broke away from you”

Pog: “Even brought 2 teammates, cocky one eh”
 
Tadaj down will make for a great tour but the breakaway specials might as well start preparing for the Veulta.
 
Tadaj down will make for a great tour but the breakaway specials might as well start preparing for the Veulta.
I’ll watch the replay tonight but was he in bad form today or do you think he was saving his legs for a big effort tomorrow? Just curious.
 
Tadaj down will make for a great tour but the breakaway specials might as well start preparing for the Veulta.
Jumbo should close the door on him tomorrow. I won’t be surprised if they let a big break of guys going for the polka dot/intermediate sprint go tomorrow especially since they don’t really need to ride until the Tourmalet. I have to say that I won’t be surprised if Sepp and Jonas ride off from the rest of the GC.

I also really didn’t understand Jumbo’s tactics today, but Sepp/Jonas were so strong it really didn’t matter. I’m not sure I understand why Wout was effectively riding for Hindley.
 

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