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***Official 2023 Pro Cycling Thread*** - The Vuelta will be a Primoz, Vigo, G, Remco mosh pit (1 Viewer)

Jeez, everything I've read about Mader's crash has been horrific

Sad to report that Geno Mäder has passed away at the age of 26
Damn. Never could comprehend the fearlessness of these riders. I touched 50 mph once on a straight descent and that was enough for me. Also have death wobbled at high speed on a tri-bike in the rain and couldn't figure out why which is unnerving. Was in a race a decade ago where the rider in front of me hit some gravel on a descent and slid into the wheel well of an on coming car. Blood was spewing from his neck like a firehose. I'm sure he was dead in seconds. 35 yo doctor with kids. Since then I've never been able to get above 40 mph without riding the brakes and went from being a cyclist to being a jogger.
 
Jeez, everything I've read about Mader's crash has been horrific

Sad to report that Gino Mäder has passed away at the age of 26

Still not sure how I've gone 24 years of riding in the city and never been doored. I've been squeezed between box trucks, cut off by cars, had inattentive pedestrians walk in front of me, dogs running out, delivery guys on ebikes flying past me - still no accidents. I am hyper vigilant but you can do everything right and still end up in the ER.

One of my closest friends was taken out by a motorist in Jersey City last April (hit n run at night.) It was touch n go for awhile, and rn he's recovering from I think his 5th or 6th surgery. Broke both legs, shoulder mangled, cracked orbital socket, retina detached, severe concussion (he's had memory struggles ever since.) He was able to return to work eventually and slowly getting his life back but man has he been on a slog. He's a force of nature, dude is super positive guy and is truly an inspiration (hosts a podcast and working on his memoir.) IDK how I would react knowing I had to live with permanent neurological damage - bro literally cannot process information quite the same way he used to...therapy has gotten him to a point where he is (mostly) functional beyond the memory gaps, but he'll always have limitations in his mental stamina that wasn't present before the accident.

Anyway....profoundly saddened, shed a few tears when I read the news this morning.

The 6th stage will be shortened to a 30km neutralized ride in honor of Mäder. Cannot imagine how devastated the peloton is rn.
 
terrible. It’s amazing that they don’t go over the side on the descents more than they do. And from what I’ve seen, which isn’t much, the crash wasn’t on a serious corner. I think the 2 of them got caught up some how and went over the side. Just terrible.
 
terrible. It’s amazing that they don’t go over the side on the descents more than they do. And from what I’ve seen, which isn’t much, the crash wasn’t on a serious corner. I think the 2 of them got caught up some how and went over the side. Just terrible.

Separate accidents a few minutes apart (same S curve cornering section.) Strava data shows they were going 97 kph. Tour doctor who treated both said it was essentially the same crash - one resulted in a concussion, the other a fatality.

Can’t imagine how heavy it must have been for the peloton to ride the 20km neutralized stage today (which was done as a tribute at the suggestion of Mäder’s family.)

kudos to Mattias Skjelmose handling this moron

that reporter is a jackass
 
terrible. It’s amazing that they don’t go over the side on the descents more than they do. And from what I’ve seen, which isn’t much, the crash wasn’t on a serious corner. I think the 2 of them got caught up some how and went over the side. Just terrible.

Separate accidents a few minutes apart (same S curve cornering section.) Strava data shows they were going 97 kph. Tour doctor who treated both said it was essentially the same crash - one resulted in a concussion, the other a fatality.

Can’t imagine how heavy it must have been for the peloton to ride the 20km neutralized stage today (which was done as a tribute at the suggestion of Mäder’s family.)

kudos to Mattias Skjelmose handling this moron

that reporter is a jackass
Thanks. I had limited knowledge of what happened.
 
Jeez, everything I've read about Mader's crash has been horrific

Sad to report that Geno Mäder has passed away at the age of 26
Damn. Never could comprehend the fearlessness of these riders. I touched 50 mph once on a straight descent and that was enough for me. Also have death wobbled at high speed on a tri-bike in the rain and couldn't figure out why which is unnerving. Was in a race a decade ago where the rider in front of me hit some gravel on a descent and slid into the wheel well of an on coming car. Blood was spewing from his neck like a firehose. I'm sure he was dead in seconds. 35 yo doctor with kids. Since then I've never been able to get above 40 mph without riding the brakes and went from being a cyclist to being a jogger.

I raced casually for 4 years in college. I was in a criterion that was 10 laps that included a decent and corner that resulted in a top speed of 45 mph. On the first lap the two leaders touched wheels and went down. I closed my eyes and slammed the brakes and somehow came through clean. With each lap there were more emergency vehicles and personnel scrapping up bleeding riders. The last to be removed was strapped to a board, covered in blood.

That was my last race. I liked the rush of the speed but have no interest in getting caught up in someone else’s high speed road crash. But I do respect the balls on these guys and the punishment they endure just to participate.
 
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It's a tough day to race, however, they are back at it. There were some alterations to the course, three teams dropped out completely, and several riders withdrew before today as well. It's got to be hard for all of them. I imagine they all mourn differently best of luck to those that are in the race today.
 
It's a tough day to race, however, they are back at it. There were some alterations to the course, three teams dropped out completely, and several riders withdrew before today as well. It's got to be hard for all of them. I imagine they all mourn differently best of luck to those that are in the race today.

Muted stage. Nice tribute by Remco.

Seems like an odd call to me to continue but same happened at the 2019 Tour de Pologne when Bjorg Lambrecht died after crashing into a culvert. Next stage was neutralized, race continued.

Third time dealing with something like this for Remco - in juniors a teammate (Stef Loos) had a fatal crash in a race.

Saw a suggestion on Twitter to put up lace Alpine ski race style netting on corners with extreme drop offs. Remember that deep ravine crash last year where they had to use climbers and pulleys to retrieve the rider?
 
It's a tough day to race, however, they are back at it. There were some alterations to the course, three teams dropped out completely, and several riders withdrew before today as well. It's got to be hard for all of them. I imagine they all mourn differently best of luck to those that are in the race today.

Muted stage. Nice tribute by Remco.

Seems like an odd call to me to continue but same happened at the 2019 Tour de Pologne when Bjorg Lambrecht died after crashing into a culvert. Next stage was neutralized, race continued.
Same thing for Wouter Weylandt.

You'd think with technology the way it is they could identify and flag dangerous spots like this and at least put in some sort of forewarning - flags, etc. It's impossible to cover the whole course with nets, but some red flags would be a good addition.
 
Have we ever had double digit fantasy teams for cycling?

well just missed (race starts 7:50 EDT so maybe we'll get one more)

9 is still pretty good, should be fun

seems like 1 of 2 semi-obvious strategies is the way to go in building a team
I'm unsure of exactly how, however, I'm fairly certain there is a way for us to use this league for all three grand tours.

FYI - looks like you have to become a Supporting Member to get access to the Triple Crown (e.g., combined standings across all 3 Grand Tours.)

From the Velogames site:

THE TRIPLE CROWN LEADERBOARD​

The Triple Crown contest is a leaderboard for Supporting Members and measures ultimate success across the three major stage race contests of the 2023 Velogames Fantasy Cycling season.

This leaderboard will consolidate team scores across Velogames Italy 2023, VELOGAME 2023, and Velogames Spain 2023.

Any support level qualifies - suggested donations (in GBP) are 5, 10, or 20, to unlock Supporting Member Benefits.

(5 GBP = $6.37, there's also a button for Other - as there is no specified minimum, I think a donation of 1 GBP would do it)

Meh, NBD either way, let's just do a separate league for each GT.
 
League Details
League Name: Le FBG TdF
League Code: 287573210
UPDATE: it looks like we will be automagically entered in the existing "GBFBG" league when we create a team.

I noticed you, me and @Nick Vermeil are in both

@BassNBrew appears only in GBFBG but not in Le FBG TdF?
 
League Details
League Name: Le FBG TdF
League Code: 287573210
UPDATE: it looks like we will be automagically entered in the existing "GBFBG" league when we create a team.

I noticed you, me and @Nick Vermeil are in both

@BassNBrew appears only in GBFBG but not in Le FBG TdF?
I was called away and forgot to link it.

Really tough this year. If you take the two big dogs you have about $7 per the remaining 7 riders.
 
League Details
League Name: Le FBG TdF
League Code: 287573210
UPDATE: it looks like we will be automagically entered in the existing "GBFBG" league when we create a team.

I noticed you, me and @Nick Vermeil are in both

@BassNBrew appears only in GBFBG but not in Le FBG TdF?
Entered my Team. In both leagues.
 
League Details
League Name: Le FBG TdF
League Code: 287573210
UPDATE: it looks like we will be automagically entered in the existing "GBFBG" league when we create a team.

I noticed you, me and @Nick Vermeil are in both

@BassNBrew appears only in GBFBG but not in Le FBG TdF?
Entered my Team. In both leagues.
IN
 
@DA RAIDERS
@Sammy3469

Anyone know who Michael **** is?


you are, sort of

you are in GBFBG, BUT you are not in LE FBG TDF

@BassNBrew

you are in LE FBG TDF, BUT you are not in GBFBG

I'm not sure how that happened. I signed up for the "new league" (LE FBG TDF) and was automatically enrolled in the old league (GBFBG) - same same for everyone else who played the Giro game

@Jaysus got any ideas how to fix this?
Anyone have a code for the old league? Is the scoring the same and it's a duplicate?
 
@DA RAIDERS
@Sammy3469

Anyone know who Michael **** is?


you are, sort of

you are in GBFBG, BUT you are not in LE FBG TDF

@BassNBrew

you are in LE FBG TDF, BUT you are not in GBFBG

I'm not sure how that happened. I signed up for the "new league" (LE FBG TDF) and was automatically enrolled in the old league (GBFBG) - same same for everyone else who played the Giro game

@Jaysus got any ideas how to fix this?
Anyone have a code for the old league? Is the scoring the same and it's a duplicate?
I think this is the GBFBG league code: 72343875
 
Interesting pricing this time around. I can see my roster changing about 30 times between now and the start.

same

I probably have 30 guys I'd like to find a way to get on my team
I keep saying that I want to do this... but one year I want to set two 2 leagues: one with my first draft that I leave unchanged, and then the 2nd main league with all of my awful tweaks that inevitably ruin my score ;)
 
Interesting pricing this time around. I can see my roster changing about 30 times between now and the start.

same

I probably have 30 guys I'd like to find a way to get on my team
I keep saying that I want to do this... but one year I want to set two 2 leagues: one with my first draft that I leave unchanged, and then the 2nd main league with all of my awful tweaks that inevitably ruin my score ;)

It’s easy if you create multiple velogames accounts using different emails.

I may have done it. 👀
🤣😂🤣
 
Jeez, everything I've read about Mader's crash has been horrific

Sad to report that Geno Mäder has passed away at the age of 26
Damn. Never could comprehend the fearlessness of these riders. I touched 50 mph once on a straight descent and that was enough for me. Also have death wobbled at high speed on a tri-bike in the rain and couldn't figure out why which is unnerving. Was in a race a decade ago where the rider in front of me hit some gravel on a descent and slid into the wheel well of an on coming car. Blood was spewing from his neck like a firehose. I'm sure he was dead in seconds. 35 yo doctor with kids. Since then I've never been able to get above 40 mph without riding the brakes and went from being a cyclist to being a jogger.
My max was 55 coming off of Snake Mountain. You should be familiar. :p :bye: I'll let the brakes go on straight sections.
 
Velogames twitter accounted recommended this preview from a German blogger. Copy pasta of the translation below. Nothing earth shattering but a good summary.

all-rounder​

Jonas Vingegaard | 26 points: Last year's winner with the biggest price tag. Actually won every race this year with ease. Only at Paris-Nice did he have to admit defeat to Pogacar.
Tadej Pogačar | 24 points: The other top favorite. 2 points better than Jonas, probably because he broke his hand at Liège-Bastogne-Liège. If I had to choose between the two, I would choose Tadej. He has a better start, the better team and is 2 points cheaper. Last year he scored 200 points more than Jonas despite finishing second.
Ben O'Connor | 14 points: The Dauphine was one of the last to keep up with Vingegaard before he drove away from everyone. Hot contender in the battle for 3rd-5th place.
Mattias Skjelmose | 14 points: recently won the Tour de Suisse. But there he has already shown one or the other weakness on steeper climbs. A risky pick for the price.
Enric Mas | 14 points: Mr. Reliable. Allegedly had diarrhea in the Dauphine and therefore did rather poorly there, but should be fit again now. In the last 8 Grand Tours he has been 6x at least 6th, twice on the podium.
Richard Carapaz | 12 points: 2nd in the Giro last year and three stage wins in the Vuelta. So far this year with his new team EF, he has not lived up to expectations, but at Velogames he is usually a guarantor of points.
Adam Yates | 12 points: Yates is a co-leader alongside Pogačar and in top form and could score a ton of points.
Pele Bilbao | 8 points: Is officially co-leader behind Landa, but has performed better lately. In addition, the first stages are made for him and also run through his homeland.

climbers​

Jai Hindley | 16 points: Last year's Giro winner is probably the favorite for 3rd place. Only a short time trial suits him very well.
David Gaudi | 14 points: Finished fourth last year but has been in poor form lately. Only for the very brave.
Romain Bardet | 12 points: Solid pick, he also benefits from the few time trial kilometers. However, since most of the all-rounders have already spent a lot of points, it's not exactly the bargain you're looking for in the climber category.
Mikel Landa | 10 points: A little grab bag. He is the leader of Bahrain and certainly has what it takes to be in the top five. After a strong Tour of the Basque Country and Fleche Wallone in April, however, he has not shown particularly good performances. If he finds form in time he is a real snap.
Julian Alaphilippe | 10 points: After an absolute epidemic year in 2022, Loulou has been getting better and better lately. However, this year a few moderately difficult stages that suit him well. And even on these he has great competition (van der Poel, Pidcock etc.)
Simon Yates | 10 points: If you want to gamble, Simon Yates is the place for you. He dropped out of 3 of the last 4 Grand Tours prematurely, doesn't seem to be aiming for a classification either, but wants to win the stages in the mountains (and maybe also the mountain jersey).
Felix Gall | 8 points: Outstanding performance in the Tour de Suisse, but is officially O'Connor's helper.
Guillaume Martin | 8 points: Will fight for a good top 10 position again.
Esteban Chaves | 6 points: Indicated he wants to ride on the polka dot jersey. He hasn't been able to ride with the best for a long time, but a low-budget variant that could pay off.
Maxim van Gils | 6 points: Runs a strong year and is a bench on the intermediate stages.

sprinter​

Wout Van Aert | 18 points: Made almost 3000 points last year. Should he show himself in a similar form, he's worth every penny. He also indicated that he didn't want to get involved in sprints, but also in mountainous stages. Small risk, however: his wife is heavily pregnant and there is a chance that he will leave the tour early.
Jasper Phillipsen | 14 points: Probably the best sprinter in the field at the moment. Can also get over smaller mountains in a relaxed manner.
Biniam Girmay | 12 points: He got noticed at the Giro last year, now his first Tour participation. It is questionable whether it will be enough to win a stage in a heavily occupied sprinter field.
Fabio Jakobsen | 12 points: Always good for a stage win, but whether 12 points will pay off for him after his last disappointing tour remains to be seen.
Dylan Groenewegen | 10 points: Still as fast as an arrow, but he hasn't really been able to convince in any GT so far. Strong starter Mezgec is there.
Caleb Ewan | 10 points: The 'Pocket Rocket' should also be treated with caution, as it always falls short of expectations on large tours.
Phil Bauhaus | 8 points: Has had some strong results this season. This year there will probably be about 7 sprint finishes, with constant performance you can hoard a lot of points even with a cheap driver.
Sam Welsford | 8 points: Has shown a few times that he can compete with the best, but this is his first GT.
Jordi Meeus | 8 points: With Danny van Poppel, he probably has the best starter in the field, but still risky, as there has been a lot of light and shade so far this season.
Alexander Kristoff | 6 points: Anyone who has already scored all points can try Kristoff. But you shouldn't expect more than a top 10 ranking from him.

Unclassed​

Thomas Pidcock | 10 points: Achieved over 1000 points last year. This year he could get even more freedom thanks to weak GC drivers.
Mathieu Van der Poel | 10 points: He will also try to get the yellow jersey on the first stages this year. This year, however, there are fewer stages that suit him.
Valentin Madouas | 8 points: In great shape, should be given a lot of freedom with the French championship jersey.
Fred Wright | 8 points: He really cleaned up at the last Vuelta. In the mass sprints he will probably have to give preference to Bauhaus, but otherwise has all the freedom.
Christophe Laporte | 8 points: Officially he is only the starter for Van Aert, but he could also be counted on in the last sprint stages (especially if van Aert drops out early, he could pay off)
Matej Mohori č | 6 points: Good form, will certainly try his luck in the flood groups.
Victor Lafay | 6 points: Specialist for the uphill sprint, of which there are 2-3 again this year
Axel Zingle | 6 points: Sprinter, made for bumpy stages, but has Coquard in front of him.
Torstein Træen | 6 points: Will probably drive for Uno-X on GC. 8th in which to become the Dauphine. Also, cool name!
Clement Champoussin | 6 points: Has already placed in the top 10 in several WorldTour races this year.
Nan's Peters | 4 points: Has won a stage in the Tour before. Can always be found in escape groups.
Alex Kirsch | 4 points: 2nd and 8th place in the Giro when Pedersen dropped out early.
Vegard Stake Lengths | 4 points: Could pick up a bunch of assists for Pogačar, Yates and Trentin.
 
'murica (6 riders)
  • GC - Jorgenson, Powless (cost - 8, 8)
  • climber - Kuss, Vermaerke (8, 6)
  • unclassified - Craddock, Simmons (4, 6)
 
winning entry:
  • GC; Fishmonger & Pogi
  • Climbers: Durango KId & Van Gils
  • Sprinter: Jasper
  • Unclassified: Kirsch, Laengen, Peters
  • Wild Card: MVdP
made one last minute change, would have made another but the Velogames site crashed right before the Grand Depart lol
 

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