AAABatteries
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Wow - That blonde kid is the Matt Ryan of Welsh Rugby!
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***Official 2023 Rugby World Cup Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
This final score won’t be indicative of how close it was.
Moe.
Footballguy
It was really entertaining. FYI that match was this morning, Ireland-NZL just started, flip on over
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
that was an extraordinary unbelievable game. I cant believe what we just saw.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Just watched the replay - I still understand very little of what is going on but both matches today were really exciting.
titusbramble
Footballguy
This just got spicy, Fiji about to level with 11 to go
titusbramble
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Ok, some (probably silly) questions.
- You can only pass backwards and kick forward?
- What initiates a scrum?
- What determines when you kick it out whether you or the other team throw it in?
- Is kicking it while in possession from your own end just a field position thing?
- When can you and can’t you try to steal the ball after a tackle - that one seems really confusing to me
titusbramble
Footballguy
France - South Africa is insane
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Crazy start - electric
titusbramble
Footballguy
Ok
1) Yes, you can kick anywhere but the amount of situations where you can kick backwards and it's a good idea are basically zero
2) Usually an infringement which does not result in a penalty, generally knock ons, forward passes etc. You can also opt to take one after a penalty
3) Whoever didn't touch it last takes the line out, except when it has been kicked out on the full following a penalty, this is not uncommon to gain territory
4) Generally speaking yes
5) You can, but there are specific rules as to where you can join the ruck, namely from behind your own last man at the breakdown, you have to join it legally. If you do that, you can absolutely steal possession after a tackle
titusbramble
Footballguy
To expand on number 5, when this is a possibility you will generally see one of two things happen - the ball carrier will just hold onto the ball and concede a penalty rather than concede live possession (players must release the ball when tackled), or if a player is isolated the defending team will counter-ruck in numbers and get the turnover that way. It is moderately rare where the ball will just be out there for the defending team to (legally) pick it up and counter
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I guess England being the last Euro team is a surprise?
titusbramble
Footballguy
Yes, we are ****
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I think it’s kind of cool that the final 4 are from 4 different continents.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The northern hemisphere won all four groups but the southern hemisphere dominated the quarterfinals. What a weekend. The next 3 games should all be fantastic.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I looked this up after the ending of Ireland-NZ and saw that you have to stay on your feet while attempting the steal (no diving over the pile) AND you can't support yourself on top the guys on the ground. Wished I'd understood that before I started watching because it looked like mayhem without knowing what I was seeing. If you watch for awhile is it obvious when a steal is legal and not? Or is it always just confusing?
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CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The “jackal” - not a big part of the game back when I played but now is coached and played at nearly every tackle in open play. These days the goal is to win a penalty as much if not more than stealing the ball.
https://youtu.be/sBv9Faeh36A?si=J4uezTuunfzD8br1
What is a jackler? An explainer - Rugby World magazine
What is a jackler? We explain how the art of the jackal works and what a jackler does in stealing the ball at the breakdown
www.rugbyworld.com
I still don’t know the reason for half the whistles until they show a replay. But once the ball carrier goes to ground a ruck is formed and the ball has to be made available within a few seconds or you know a whistle is coming one way or the other. If the ball carrier keeps his feet it’s a maul and different rules apply. This is what made the end of the game so intense yesterday with Ireland running 37 phases at the end with both teams knowing a penalty would lose the game.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Super helpful!
So when the offensive players go flying over the ball and tackled ball carrier, into the legs of the closest defender, they're trying to prevent this guy from getting on the ball? Seems very violent.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
Yes - they're trying to drive the opposing pack back to protect their possession and control of the ball. The offside line in a ruck is the back foot of the last player who is part of a ruck - meaning, he is in contact with the ruck. You can't run around and dive in from an offside position. You can't put your hands on the ball in a ruck, they move it back through the ruck with their feet and make it available to the scrum half. Its organized chaos and there is a ton of strategy involved in terms of how a team approaches rucking in a game or in different game situations.
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Footballguy
Watched the NA and SA wins this week. Wow. Amazing games.
Why didn't France attempt a drop-kick for a goal knowing it was going to be hard to get a try? They were only down 1 point.
Why didn't France attempt a drop-kick for a goal knowing it was going to be hard to get a try? They were only down 1 point.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I think most likely the answer is that drop kicks are pretty hard and a miss would end the game for France. You need to have the right player in the right situation. I don’t know which French players can take drop kicks but rewatching the final minutes it seems to me they weren’t looking for one at all. My impression is in that end game situation the goal is to win a penalty which would give France a high probability kick to win the game. I know Kolbe tried one for RSA with under ten minutes to play and missed. That would have put them up 4 but it was a big negative because they were pretty deep in the France half and in good control.
The other really interesting thing at the end of that game is deKlerk choosing to kick to France giving up possession with a few minutes to play and a one point lead. The all-black did the same at the end of their game, although with a 4 point lead. At the time I was screaming but I guess these teams are just supremely confident in their defense and their discipline not to concede that they’d rather the other team have the pressure to keep the ruck going.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Was surprised to see how dominant the southern hemisphere is in these things. Also how few teams have ever won one...
- New Zealand - 3 titles
- South Africa - 3
- Australia - 2
- England - 1
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Footballguy
Yeah I think you're spot on here. I don't know the game well enough to know how easy it can be to draw a penalty, but I do watch enough to it happens pretty often
Aaron White tried a drop kick in the NZ match vs. Ireland. Don't see them often. Man that NZ match was something else. One of the greatest games I've ever seen across all sports. And the France v. SA match damn near matched it.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Didn't an Irish player win a big game with a drop kick a few years ago? I know I saw a highlight of a drop bomb.
ETA: here it is. 45 meters.
ETA: here it is. 45 meters.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
I think these are fightin words in some circles. The SH has dominated in terms of championships, but Ireland beat RSA in the group stage and France thumped NZ. In 2019 England knocked out NZ and were definitely better that day. Ireland beat NZ for the first time ever last year winning 2 of 3 test matches in NZ and they were deserved wins for sure. Ireland and France were legit favorites this year but I think in the quarterfinals the experience and confidence of NZ and RSA was the difference. Ireland were dominant the past year + but have famously never won a world cup quarterfinal and honestly I feel terrible for them even though I love the All-Blacks always.
I personally love the Six Nations, moreso even than the World Cup in some respects although it does obviously lack the big SH teams. The problem with international rugby is there are really only 6-7 first/second tier countries and the rest really have no chance. So even with only 20 teams in the tournament you see ridiculous blow-out games and really less than half the group stage games are even interesting. In the Six Nations, even with Italy being the ugly step-child, every single game is potentially awesome. I watch it every year although maybe only get to see half the games. The SH equivalent is the Rugby Championship that includes Argentina, NZ, RSA and Australia. Also good but much harder to get coverage for here in the US and the scheduling is a bit odd due to the difficult geography as compared to the Six Nations. These aren't tournaments that are hosted in one place all at once - the games are played over the course of a month or so with each team hosting some and travelling for some. Also, these are both just round-robin tournaments with each team playing every other team once, so no knock out games or championship games.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
(I knew)
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
titusbramble
Footballguy
That seems an unbelievably harsh red in a final
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Footballguy
Disappointing final, outcome aside. No flow. So many stops.
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