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I didn't hear anyone say anything about sucking.
I think the fact that CC's teammates often struggle handling her passes illustrates why CC is unlike any other player we've seen in the women's game. She simply passes harder, faster, and with more anticipation than anyone her teammates have played with before. That leads to additional turnovers.
Or, most of those are actually bad passes.
Some are. I haven't watched every game, but I've watched several. In the games I've watched there have been plenty of examples of TO's getting credited to her simply because she's playing at a faster level than her teammates.
The haters who thought they'd at least get a year or two before Clark started kicking butt are probably crying themselves to sleep every night already.
Those with a cause won't let go of the largely irrelevant double-double thing, but the eye test says it all. If anyone can watch both Clark and Reese play and even think it's a conversation, they either don't know basketball and/or have an axe to grind for a variety of reasons (jealousy, racism, etc.).
Lasted about 2 weeks. All of those saying Caitlin was overrated, should never have been the #1 pick etc are eating serious crow right now. She makes her entire team better. She took everything they gave her physically and is now the one standing tall.
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Since the Olympic break, Clark has been the best guard in the league. Even with her slow start, she’s climbed to top 20 in PER and TS% and PIE for the season.
Someone did the homework and even without her self-miss rebounds (99, or ~3/game) she's leading the NBA in rebounding.
You can see this in the passing lanes she has. The defense has to guard her out to NBA distances, with considerably less athleticism to cover the rotations or the length to challenge shooters, and there's just so much space on the floor for her teammates.
I think I might argue that Kelsey Mitchell has been the best guard since the break.
Absolutely. And it manifests in different ways. Like how Boston will go for a block-style seal from the elbow to give Clark a big window to throw the pass over her and lead her to the basket. Or how Mitchell will release for the 50-foot lead pass, and then cut back out for a three. Or Hull/Samuelson’s sense to space to spot up in just the right place to make it as difficult as possible to help/rotate off them. And now there’s repor between Clark and Smith, who generally doesn’t need to be set up to score and can’t be left open anywhere.
Mitchell will probably be named East Player Of The Month for August. She led the East in scoring for the month.
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Well said
Stephen Curry was at 1.82 last season. (Doncic at 2.45)
Most career games with 20 PTS & 10 AST:
10 — Courtney Vandersloot (422 GP)
9 — Diana Taurasi (559 GP)
7 — Caitlin Clark (34 GP)
That is crazy especially considering Indiana's terrible start to the season.
Most career games with 20 PTS & 10 AST:
10 — Courtney Vandersloot (422 GP)
9 — Diana Taurasi (559 GP)
7 — Caitlin Clark (34 GP)
Indiana is +1 in games played versus most other teams. Indiana and Phoenix have played 34, everyone else has played 33. Clark’s PPG is 9th.
Most career games with 20 PTS & 10 AST:
10 — Courtney Vandersloot (422 GP)
9 — Diana Taurasi (559 GP)
7 — Caitlin Clark (34 GP)
Also during tonight’s triple double performance (her second of the season) she became the fastest player in WNBA history to reach 100 3-pointers made. She also became the first rookie to have multiple triple doubles in a season, and became only the fifth WNBA player in history to record multiple triple doubles in a season. She is currently ninth in scoring, but I bet she’s higher in games since the all-star break.
That is the point that IMO often gets overlooked when comparing stats from the WNBA to the NBA. The games are simply 8 minutes shorter and it is obviously more difficult to score since the players are shorter than the men.Indiana is +1 in games played versus most other teams. Indiana and Phoenix have played 34, everyone else has played 33. Clark’s PPG is 9th.
Most career games with 20 PTS & 10 AST:
10 — Courtney Vandersloot (422 GP)
9 — Diana Taurasi (559 GP)
7 — Caitlin Clark (34 GP)
Also during tonight’s triple double performance (her second of the season) she became the fastest player in WNBA history to reach 100 3-pointers made. She also became the first rookie to have multiple triple doubles in a season, and became only the fifth WNBA player in history to record multiple triple doubles in a season. She is currently ninth in scoring, but I bet she’s higher in games since the all-star break.
Clark is tied for 4th all-time in WNBA regular season triple-doubles. Alyssa Thomas has 10, Sabrina Ionescu has 4, Candace Parker has 3. Clark, Chelsea Gray, Courtney Willams have 2.
There have only been 33 regular-season triple-doubles in WNBA history. (It’s super hard to get 10 assists in a 40-minute game in a league that shoots in the low 40s.)
Clark probably going to finish top 20 in all of the top five counting stats. It would be weird if a player checked all five of those boxes and didn’t make All-WNBA.
as a veteran of the nba thread and as the guy running this thread i would just like to say that having it called a trainwreck is about the best thing anyone has ever said to me thats how you know it is great take that to the bank brohans
There’s also an element of style of play to it. The most popular offensive alignment by far in the WNBA is Horns: 1 out top, 2 & 3 down in the corners outside the three-point line, 4 & 5 at the elbows. Keeping the low post clear like that is a great way to open up cuts to the basket off-ball or PnRs from either elbow, but it’s not a system designed for the same player to rack up a lot of points and assists at the same time.That is the point that IMO often gets overlooked when comparing stats from the WNBA to the NBA. The games are simply 8 minutes shorter and it is obviously more difficult to score since the players are shorter than the men.Indiana is +1 in games played versus most other teams. Indiana and Phoenix have played 34, everyone else has played 33. Clark’s PPG is 9th.
Most career games with 20 PTS & 10 AST:
10 — Courtney Vandersloot (422 GP)
9 — Diana Taurasi (559 GP)
7 — Caitlin Clark (34 GP)
Also during tonight’s triple double performance (her second of the season) she became the fastest player in WNBA history to reach 100 3-pointers made. She also became the first rookie to have multiple triple doubles in a season, and became only the fifth WNBA player in history to record multiple triple doubles in a season. She is currently ninth in scoring, but I bet she’s higher in games since the all-star break.
Clark is tied for 4th all-time in WNBA regular season triple-doubles. Alyssa Thomas has 10, Sabrina Ionescu has 4, Candace Parker has 3. Clark, Chelsea Gray, Courtney Willams have 2.
There have only been 33 regular-season triple-doubles in WNBA history. (It’s super hard to get 10 assists in a 40-minute game in a league that shoots in the low 40s.)
Clark probably going to finish top 20 in all of the top five counting stats. It would be weird if a player checked all five of those boxes and didn’t make All-WNBA.
However, I am still shocked that the record for 20 PTS & 10 AST is only 10.
Clarks last 8 games:
24 PTS - 10 REB - 10 AST (W)
28 PTS - 4 REB - 12 AST (W)
31 PTS - 4 REB - 12 AST (W)
19 PTS - 5 REB - 5 AST (W)
19 PTS - 7 REB - 7 AST (W)
23 PTS - 5 REB - 8 AST (L)
23 PTS - 5 REB - 9 AST (W)
29 PTS - 5 REB - 10 AST (W)
There are ways to target her in the corners in horns. You can get her in zoom action, flash the player she is guarding into the post, involve her in some twist action. I think more teams should go after her, maybe some are saving it to for possible playoff match ups so they have less time to adjust. Her minutes are going to be a problem, IMO. They are going to chase away any and all depth at the wing. They already lost Taylor, who I think is a solid rotation player.There’s also an element of style of play to it. The most popular offensive alignment by far in the WNBA is Horns: 1 out top, 2 & 3 down in the corners outside the three-point line, 4 & 5 at the elbows. Keeping the low post clear like that is a great way to open up cuts to the basket off-ball or PnRs from either elbow, but it’s not a system designed for the same player to rack up a lot of points and assists at the same time.That is the point that IMO often gets overlooked when comparing stats from the WNBA to the NBA. The games are simply 8 minutes shorter and it is obviously more difficult to score since the players are shorter than the men.Indiana is +1 in games played versus most other teams. Indiana and Phoenix have played 34, everyone else has played 33. Clark’s PPG is 9th.
Most career games with 20 PTS & 10 AST:
10 — Courtney Vandersloot (422 GP)
9 — Diana Taurasi (559 GP)
7 — Caitlin Clark (34 GP)
Also during tonight’s triple double performance (her second of the season) she became the fastest player in WNBA history to reach 100 3-pointers made. She also became the first rookie to have multiple triple doubles in a season, and became only the fifth WNBA player in history to record multiple triple doubles in a season. She is currently ninth in scoring, but I bet she’s higher in games since the all-star break.
Clark is tied for 4th all-time in WNBA regular season triple-doubles. Alyssa Thomas has 10, Sabrina Ionescu has 4, Candace Parker has 3. Clark, Chelsea Gray, Courtney Willams have 2.
There have only been 33 regular-season triple-doubles in WNBA history. (It’s super hard to get 10 assists in a 40-minute game in a league that shoots in the low 40s.)
Clark probably going to finish top 20 in all of the top five counting stats. It would be weird if a player checked all five of those boxes and didn’t make All-WNBA.
However, I am still shocked that the record for 20 PTS & 10 AST is only 10.
Clarks last 8 games:
24 PTS - 10 REB - 10 AST (W)
28 PTS - 4 REB - 12 AST (W)
31 PTS - 4 REB - 12 AST (W)
19 PTS - 5 REB - 5 AST (W)
19 PTS - 7 REB - 7 AST (W)
23 PTS - 5 REB - 8 AST (L)
23 PTS - 5 REB - 9 AST (W)
29 PTS - 5 REB - 10 AST (W)
And the teams who don’t run it are Minnesota, whose offense is all about keeping the ball and players moving until someone gets open, and Las Vegas, who matchup hunt with their guards and try to give Wilson as much room as possible. So that’s not reliant on a single facilitator, either.
Clark is helped by leading the league in minutes. She goes all 40 a lot. A couple times a quarter they will spot her up way out top so she can rest, and it works because she with her shooting range she still has to be guarded 28-30 feet out. If the opponent is running Horns every time and keeps one of the corners stationary, Clark can guard that player and save energy for offense, too.
I doubt many teams are going to put in that much work and run off that much shot clock to set up their 4th/5th option. If it’s already organically in the game plan like all the motion Minnesota runs, sure. But I am skeptical New York will be altering the playbook much to get Leonie Fiebich more involved.There are ways to target her in the corners in horns. You can get her in zoom action, flash the player she is guarding into the post, involve her in some twist action. I think more teams should go after her, maybe some are saving it to for possible playoff match ups so they have less time to adjust. Her minutes are going to be a problem, IMO. They are going to chase away any and all depth at the wing. They already lost Taylor, who I think is a solid rotation player.There’s also an element of style of play to it. The most popular offensive alignment by far in the WNBA is Horns: 1 out top, 2 & 3 down in the corners outside the three-point line, 4 & 5 at the elbows. Keeping the low post clear like that is a great way to open up cuts to the basket off-ball or PnRs from either elbow, but it’s not a system designed for the same player to rack up a lot of points and assists at the same time.That is the point that IMO often gets overlooked when comparing stats from the WNBA to the NBA. The games are simply 8 minutes shorter and it is obviously more difficult to score since the players are shorter than the men.Indiana is +1 in games played versus most other teams. Indiana and Phoenix have played 34, everyone else has played 33. Clark’s PPG is 9th.
Most career games with 20 PTS & 10 AST:
10 — Courtney Vandersloot (422 GP)
9 — Diana Taurasi (559 GP)
7 — Caitlin Clark (34 GP)
Also during tonight’s triple double performance (her second of the season) she became the fastest player in WNBA history to reach 100 3-pointers made. She also became the first rookie to have multiple triple doubles in a season, and became only the fifth WNBA player in history to record multiple triple doubles in a season. She is currently ninth in scoring, but I bet she’s higher in games since the all-star break.
Clark is tied for 4th all-time in WNBA regular season triple-doubles. Alyssa Thomas has 10, Sabrina Ionescu has 4, Candace Parker has 3. Clark, Chelsea Gray, Courtney Willams have 2.
There have only been 33 regular-season triple-doubles in WNBA history. (It’s super hard to get 10 assists in a 40-minute game in a league that shoots in the low 40s.)
Clark probably going to finish top 20 in all of the top five counting stats. It would be weird if a player checked all five of those boxes and didn’t make All-WNBA.
However, I am still shocked that the record for 20 PTS & 10 AST is only 10.
Clarks last 8 games:
24 PTS - 10 REB - 10 AST (W)
28 PTS - 4 REB - 12 AST (W)
31 PTS - 4 REB - 12 AST (W)
19 PTS - 5 REB - 5 AST (W)
19 PTS - 7 REB - 7 AST (W)
23 PTS - 5 REB - 8 AST (L)
23 PTS - 5 REB - 9 AST (W)
29 PTS - 5 REB - 10 AST (W)
And the teams who don’t run it are Minnesota, whose offense is all about keeping the ball and players moving until someone gets open, and Las Vegas, who matchup hunt with their guards and try to give Wilson as much room as possible. So that’s not reliant on a single facilitator, either.
Clark is helped by leading the league in minutes. She goes all 40 a lot. A couple times a quarter they will spot her up way out top so she can rest, and it works because she with her shooting range she still has to be guarded 28-30 feet out. If the opponent is running Horns every time and keeps one of the corners stationary, Clark can guard that player and save energy for offense, too.
Poor timing for league. Wnba was getting some traction. Like her or hate her, Reese in the playoffs was a good thing for league.Angel Reese out for the season
It won't matter. Clark drives the ratings, and I think the numbers have shown that the masses only care about Angel when the Sky are playing the Fever. The Sky are gonna be lucky to make the playoffs anyway (which was the case even if Angel hadn't gotten hurt).Poor timing for league. Wnba was getting some traction. Like her or hate her, Reese in the playoffs was a good thing for league.Angel Reese out for the season
It doesn't take any more work than your normal sets. We do it so the time, just have 2-3 automatics that trigger depending on who is guarding her.I doubt many teams are going to put in that much work and run off that much shot clock to set up their 4th/5th option. If it’s already organically in the game plan like all the motion Minnesota runs, sure. But I am skeptical New York will be altering the playbook much to get Leonie Fiebich more involved.There are ways to target her in the corners in horns. You can get her in zoom action, flash the player she is guarding into the post, involve her in some twist action. I think more teams should go after her, maybe some are saving it to for possible playoff match ups so they have less time to adjust. Her minutes are going to be a problem, IMO. They are going to chase away any and all depth at the wing. They already lost Taylor, who I think is a solid rotation player.There’s also an element of style of play to it. The most popular offensive alignment by far in the WNBA is Horns: 1 out top, 2 & 3 down in the corners outside the three-point line, 4 & 5 at the elbows. Keeping the low post clear like that is a great way to open up cuts to the basket off-ball or PnRs from either elbow, but it’s not a system designed for the same player to rack up a lot of points and assists at the same time.That is the point that IMO often gets overlooked when comparing stats from the WNBA to the NBA. The games are simply 8 minutes shorter and it is obviously more difficult to score since the players are shorter than the men.Indiana is +1 in games played versus most other teams. Indiana and Phoenix have played 34, everyone else has played 33. Clark’s PPG is 9th.
Most career games with 20 PTS & 10 AST:
10 — Courtney Vandersloot (422 GP)
9 — Diana Taurasi (559 GP)
7 — Caitlin Clark (34 GP)
Also during tonight’s triple double performance (her second of the season) she became the fastest player in WNBA history to reach 100 3-pointers made. She also became the first rookie to have multiple triple doubles in a season, and became only the fifth WNBA player in history to record multiple triple doubles in a season. She is currently ninth in scoring, but I bet she’s higher in games since the all-star break.
Clark is tied for 4th all-time in WNBA regular season triple-doubles. Alyssa Thomas has 10, Sabrina Ionescu has 4, Candace Parker has 3. Clark, Chelsea Gray, Courtney Willams have 2.
There have only been 33 regular-season triple-doubles in WNBA history. (It’s super hard to get 10 assists in a 40-minute game in a league that shoots in the low 40s.)
Clark probably going to finish top 20 in all of the top five counting stats. It would be weird if a player checked all five of those boxes and didn’t make All-WNBA.
However, I am still shocked that the record for 20 PTS & 10 AST is only 10.
Clarks last 8 games:
24 PTS - 10 REB - 10 AST (W)
28 PTS - 4 REB - 12 AST (W)
31 PTS - 4 REB - 12 AST (W)
19 PTS - 5 REB - 5 AST (W)
19 PTS - 7 REB - 7 AST (W)
23 PTS - 5 REB - 8 AST (L)
23 PTS - 5 REB - 9 AST (W)
29 PTS - 5 REB - 10 AST (W)
And the teams who don’t run it are Minnesota, whose offense is all about keeping the ball and players moving until someone gets open, and Las Vegas, who matchup hunt with their guards and try to give Wilson as much room as possible. So that’s not reliant on a single facilitator, either.
Clark is helped by leading the league in minutes. She goes all 40 a lot. A couple times a quarter they will spot her up way out top so she can rest, and it works because she with her shooting range she still has to be guarded 28-30 feet out. If the opponent is running Horns every time and keeps one of the corners stationary, Clark can guard that player and save energy for offense, too.
This offseason, Indiana will have one big-money slot available for a wing thanks to Erica Wheeler’s contract coming off the books. And a second big money slot if they don’t re-sign Kelsey Mitchell. With all the NIL opportunities that will come with playing for the most popular team in the league, there’s a big pile of money to be made for a good player with a savvy social media approach.
I think the opportunity to play wing on an ascending team whose starting PG is a workhorse with the best court vision in the history of the league will be a drawing card. Clark isn’t taking minutes away from wings. She’s keeping Grace Berger nailed to the bench.
Indiana cutting Celeste Taylor IMO was driven more by the organization’s misguided belief in Kristy Wallace than anything else. They looked at their depth chart and saw Samuelson, Wallace, Hull, and Wheeler, didn’t see any minutes for Taylor anytime soon, and needed a roster spot for Dantas. Taylor is talented, but she wouldn’t be getting any playing time for Phoenix if Bec Allen was healthy.
