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Very bad week for the WNBA, and it's most all their own fault.

Fever President Reveals How Caitlin Clark Tried to Get Opposing WNBA Players Paid

All indications are that Indiana Fever rookie Caitlin Clark is just as good of a person as she is a basketball player. Not only does the 22-year-old conduct he

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WNBPA picks a fight with USA Today’s Christine Brennan over Caitlin Clark vs. DiJonai Carrington coverage | Sporting News

The WNBPA issued a scathing statement against USA Today columnist Christine Brennan on Friday afternoon. Here's why.

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It is worth mentioning again that it is clear as day why this league has been an utter failure before Clark arrived, and why the viewership numbers will tumble down the mountain for the rest of their playoffs with the Fever now eliminated. The people who run the league and some of the players simply cannot get out of their own way.

The story about Caitlin pitching for spot bonuses confuses me. Here’s what it says:

"Here's all you need to know about Caitlin Clark: When we would go to away games, they always sold out," Barber said. "So [the Atlanta Dream] would normally have 3,000, 4,000 people. Now they have 17,000 people and they sold 1,000 standing-room-only tickets.

"So when we walked into the arena, people were on that third balcony looking down at the tops of our players' heads to watch... After a few away games, and all of the sellouts, Caitlin asked the WNBA if they would pay spot bonuses to the away team players," Barber continued.
For context, a spot bonus is a one-time monetary incentive that's given to employees as a result of extraordinary performance; which, in this case, would be the staggering attendance metrics at the games Indiana played — despite the attendance being mostly due to Clark.

Essentially, Clark wanted her opponents to get paid bonuses for selling out arenas full of her fans.

"She said 'We're making all this new revenue, and I would like the away team to benefit from that. Could they get a spot bonus?'," Barber added.

The statement begins with arenas being filled with Fever fans when the Fever would play away games in other cities. So if Caitlin was asking for spot bonuses for the away teams, wasn’t she asking for the Fever players to get the spot bonuses? After all, the Fever were the away team in the circumstances being discussed.

From watching the video and how Barber's talking, as Barber is the COO of the Fever, she says "when we would go to away games", she's using the term "away games" as referring to the team that they are playing outside of Indiana, so even though Atlanta is the Home team in their stadium, to Barber, that's an Away Game and she's referring to Atlanta as the Away Team they are playing in their own (from Indiana's perspective) Away Game. So she seems to be implying that Clark has asked for the home team of the stadium to get the bonus owed but referring to the stadium's home team as the Away Game opponent.

Thanks! I read it three times and couldn’t make sense of it. I think I’m getting old!

 

[pollardsvision]

That might have been the wildest basketball game I've even seen.

Liberty looked so damn good. Lynx battle back. It becomes the battle you'd expect from 2 amazing teams.
A fitting Game 1 between 2 teams that have been so good all year.

But that Courtney shot? So awesome with her Dad there on the road.

For a girl Dad, you just can't ask for more. Watching your baby girl just make a lit up Barclay's go quiet.

I don't know who's going to win this series, but it's going to suck to see either of these teams lose.

 

[pollardsvision]

As exciting as that was for the Lynx, who were picked to finish 9th in the league, but just play the most beautiful basketball you'll ever see.

It just royally sucks for Liberty fans. I don't believe in such things, but they might just be cursed.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Anyone see Angel Reese complaining about not being able to pay her rent with her salary? He rent is apparently $8,000 a month, and her WNBA salary was apparently around $72,000.

Considering there are 12 months in a year, she is either really freaking stupid or really bad at math.

 

[Acrobat7]

Anyone see Angel Reese complaining about not being able to pay her rent with her salary? He rent is apparently $8,000 a month, and her WNBA salary was apparently around $72,000.

Considering there are 12 months in a year, she is either really freaking stupid or really bad at math.

I am sure she has some sponsorship deals and her WNBA salary is neither her only nor her biggest income stream.
I haven't seen the interview(?) with her. Was it perhaps an attempt to draw attention to the relatively low salaries in the league?

 

[belljr]

Anyone see Angel Reese complaining about not being able to pay her rent with her salary? He rent is apparently $8,000 a month, and her WNBA salary was apparently around $72,000.

Considering there are 12 months in a year, she is either really freaking stupid or really bad at math.

I am sure she has some sponsorship deals and her WNBA salary is neither her only nor her biggest income stream.
I haven't seen the interview(?) with her. Was it perhaps an attempt to draw attention to the relatively low salaries in the league?

No it was a tiktok or gram where she complained

I'm trying to figure out my rent for where I stay at. I'm going to do the math. I'm living beyond my means! Babe, if y’all thought… That WNBA check don’t pay a thing. Did that even pay my car note?

I wouldn’t even be able to eat a sandwich with that. I wouldn’t even be able to eat. I wouldn’t be able to live

 

[SWC]

who was the one vote against cc in all of the awards take that to the bank brohans

 

[Don Quixote]

Anyone else watching Game 5?

Liberty starting off pretty cold.

 

[FarFromHome]

I never watched any wnba until this year. Clark attracted my interest. I'd watch clips and box score surf her games to see what she did. Then she got eliminated and literally forgot it was still going. I guess I'm that poser fan. I'm sorry.

 

[Capella]

I always thought the Liberty played at MSG for some reason.

 

[Don Quixote]

I always thought the Liberty played at MSG for some reason.

They used to. Dolan sold them to the Tsai’s, who are the majority owners of the Nets.

 

[Nugget]

Tied with 95 seconds to go. Solid game.

 

[Frostillicus]

These refs are terrible and I am in no way biased.

 

[Major]

Anyone else watching Game 5?

Liberty starting off pretty cold.

Ionescu doing a pretty good John Starks impression from the 94 Finals

 

[Don Quixote]

These refs are terrible and I am in no way biased.

Breanna Stewart traveled and then gets free throws on a non-foul foul.

 

[dino259]

These refs are terrible and I am in no way biased.

Breanna Stewart traveled and then gets free throws on a non-foul foul.

That was only at the end. That was one of the most physical games I ever watched. If the liberty play smarter it doesn't come down to the calls at the end.

 

[Don Quixote]

These refs are terrible and I am in no way biased.

Breanna Stewart traveled and then gets free throws on a non-foul foul.

That was only at the end. That was one of the most physical games I ever watched. If the liberty play smarter it doesn't come down to the calls at the end.

That was one example, but I think it was more than just at the end. Liberty took 25 free throws and Lynx had 8. I don’t think those numbers necessarily need to be equal if one team is fouling more than the other, but it did not really feel like the physicality was leaning that much more heavily one way than the other.

(And I don’t have a team in this one, but was pulling for Jonquel Jones as a GW alum.)

 

[Navin Johnson]

I never watched any wnba until this year. Clark attracted my interest. I'd watch clips and box score surf her games to see what she did. Then she got eliminated and literally forgot it was still going. I guess I'm that poser fan. I'm sorry.

You're not alone

 

[SWC]

These refs are terrible and I am in no way biased.

Breanna Stewart traveled and then gets free throws on a non-foul foul.

That was only at the end. That was one of the most physical games I ever watched. If the liberty play smarter it doesn't come down to the calls at the end.

That was one example, but I think it was more than just at the end. Liberty took 25 free throws and Lynx had 8. I don’t think those numbers necessarily need to be equal if one team is fouling more than the other, but it did not really feel like the physicality was leaning that much more heavily one way than the other.

(And I don’t have a team in this one, but was pulling for Jonquel Jones as a GW alum.)

it was kings lakers all over again take that to the bank bromigo

 

[NewlyRetired]

Anyone see Angel Reese complaining about not being able to pay her rent with her salary? He rent is apparently $8,000 a month, and her WNBA salary was apparently around $72,000.

Considering there are 12 months in a year, she is either really freaking stupid or really bad at math.

I am sure she has some sponsorship deals and her WNBA salary is neither her only nor her biggest income stream.
I haven't seen the interview(?) with her. Was it perhaps an attempt to draw attention to the relatively low salaries in the league?

No it was a tiktok or gram where she complained

I'm trying to figure out my rent for where I stay at. I'm going to do the math. I'm living beyond my means! Babe, if y’all thought… That WNBA check don’t pay a thing. Did that even pay my car note?

I wouldn’t even be able to eat a sandwich with that. I wouldn’t even be able to eat. I wouldn’t be able to live

I think people are confusing things here:

1) She said that her WNBA pay could not support her rent on her apartment, which is true

2) She never said she could not afford the apartment. I saw a break down of all her revenue a few days ago and her WNBA salary was WAY down the list in terms of what she brings in.

 

[Gr00vus]

These refs are terrible and I am in no way biased.

Breanna Stewart traveled and then gets free throws on a non-foul foul.

Yeah, I think she may have actually traveled twice on that play, once before she started her dribble, and once after. Really bad reffing on that play. Minn coach didn't pull any punches about that in the postgame interview either.

 

[Zow]

Can somebody explain the "not a legal defending position" call that the ref gave after the review? And, if so, why it applied to that call? Her feet looked reasonably set to me.

Here's what Google/AI says:
To establish a legal defensive position in basketball, a defender must have both feet on the ground and face their opponent:
Once in this position, the defender can move backward or sideways, jump straight up, or extend their hands vertically. The defender can also move laterally or obliquely to maintain the position, but not towards the opponent when contact occurs.
There is no minimum or maximum distance or time needed to get into a legal guarding position.

 

[Zow]

These refs are terrible and I am in no way biased.

Breanna Stewart traveled and then gets free throws on a non-foul foul.

That was only at the end. That was one of the most physical games I ever watched. If the liberty play smarter it doesn't come down to the calls at the end.

The bold doesn't excuse the bad call. Sure, Liberty could have played "smarter." Lynx could have similarly just made all of their shots. But neither team did. Yes, Liberty is the better team and probably win more than 50 games if they played 100 against the Lynx, but that isn't how championships are decided in US sports.

 

[pollardsvision]

Some questionable officiating, but what league doesn't have it, right? Ask any non-Chiefs fan about the NFL.
Certainly don't agree on that call against my girl Alanna.

That part sucks, as it does in many sports, but it was a great series. A fitting end to a great season.

Game 5 was a slog, all around. These are 2 great teams that know each other well. Played out much like an NFC North game.

The officiating and the G5 slog, IMO, can both be chalked up to the defense. Especially Minnesota's.

Minnesota plays great defense and is aggressive as hell. First half we saw all the turnovers/steals they created. That's just what they do. Have done all year long.

A lot of those 1st quarter steals could have been fouls. The line between great defense and a foul/penalty is razor thin in all leagues.

Great series/great season. I love both teams, but would have preferred a Lynx win. Liberty absolutely earned it though. They have so many players that gave it their all.

Fiebich and Sabally were roll players that got it done. Stewie/Sab/JJ all had their superstar moments, but when it came time to do the dirty work, they did it. And BLH, love her, she always does that.

Anyway, great series. Good for the Liberty. it might be a long time before anybody else knocks Phee out of a Playoff series.

And I have to give my girl Alanna so much love. Such an heroic series from her.

 

[pollardsvision]

And buckle up boys and girls.

After this amazing season, Paige, Kiki, Juju, Fudd, Miles, Paopao, and the bunch fire it up here in about 10 days. Then the 3x3 Unrivaled leading us right into the April draft.

 

[Mister CIA]

I never watched any wnba until this year. Clark attracted my interest. I'd watch clips and box score surf her games to see what she did. Then she got eliminated and literally forgot it was still going. I guess I'm that poser fan. I'm sorry.

You're not alone

I forgot which team was my favorite.

 

[DA RAIDERS]

Anyone see Angel Reese complaining about not being able to pay her rent with her salary? He rent is apparently $8,000 a month, and her WNBA salary was apparently around $72,000.

Considering there are 12 months in a year, she is either really freaking stupid or really bad at math.

I am sure she has some sponsorship deals and her WNBA salary is neither her only nor her biggest income stream.
I haven't seen the interview(?) with her. Was it perhaps an attempt to draw attention to the relatively low salaries in the league?

No it was a tiktok or gram where she complained

I'm trying to figure out my rent for where I stay at. I'm going to do the math. I'm living beyond my means! Babe, if y’all thought… That WNBA check don’t pay a thing. Did that even pay my car note?

I wouldn’t even be able to eat a sandwich with that. I wouldn’t even be able to eat. I wouldn’t be able to live

I think people are confusing things here:

1) She said that her WNBA pay could not support her rent on her apartment, which is true

2) She never said she could not afford the apartment. I saw a break down of all her revenue a few days ago and her WNBA salary was WAY down the list in terms of what she brings in.

8k a month There in lies the problem.

 

[pollardsvision]

The Valkyries' expansion draft is approaching quickly, and it seems like the Champs are going to have some really tough decisions to make on who to protect.

They have to protect Stewie/Sab/JJ/Fiebich (what a fantastic player she's become). I think they probably have to protect Betnijah too. Even hurt, her defense had a major impact for the season and Playoffs.

That would seem to bring the decision down to Nyara Sabally and Marine Johannes. Even in limited minutes, Sabally was probably the best player down the stretch in a Finals Game 5. Johannes is a Euro stash, but her and Gabby just damn near took out Team USA.

Whatever they decide, they're going to have to let go of one hell of a prospect/player.

 

[belljr]

Anyone see Angel Reese complaining about not being able to pay her rent with her salary? He rent is apparently $8,000 a month, and her WNBA salary was apparently around $72,000.

Considering there are 12 months in a year, she is either really freaking stupid or really bad at math.

I am sure she has some sponsorship deals and her WNBA salary is neither her only nor her biggest income stream.
I haven't seen the interview(?) with her. Was it perhaps an attempt to draw attention to the relatively low salaries in the league?

No it was a tiktok or gram where she complained

I'm trying to figure out my rent for where I stay at. I'm going to do the math. I'm living beyond my means! Babe, if y’all thought… That WNBA check don’t pay a thing. Did that even pay my car note?

I wouldn’t even be able to eat a sandwich with that. I wouldn’t even be able to eat. I wouldn’t be able to live

I think people are confusing things here:

1) She said that her WNBA pay could not support her rent on her apartment, which is true

2) She never said she could not afford the apartment. I saw a break down of all her revenue a few days ago and her WNBA salary was WAY down the list in terms of what she brings in.

Then why was she complaining

Hating pays them bills, baby," Reese said. "I just hope you know the WNBA don't pay my bills at all. I don't even think that pays one of my bills. Literally, I'm trying to think of my rent for where I stay at. Let me do the math real quick. I don't even know my (WNBA) salary. $74,000?"


Reese added that she pays $8,000 in rent monthly, adding up to a total of $96,000 in rent annually. Reese joked after: "I'm living beyond my means."



Maybe I don't understand but not sure why you go on Instagram live and mention it if it's not an issue

Idk

 

[NewlyRetired]

Anyone see Angel Reese complaining about not being able to pay her rent with her salary? He rent is apparently $8,000 a month, and her WNBA salary was apparently around $72,000.

Considering there are 12 months in a year, she is either really freaking stupid or really bad at math.

I am sure she has some sponsorship deals and her WNBA salary is neither her only nor her biggest income stream.
I haven't seen the interview(?) with her. Was it perhaps an attempt to draw attention to the relatively low salaries in the league?

No it was a tiktok or gram where she complained

I'm trying to figure out my rent for where I stay at. I'm going to do the math. I'm living beyond my means! Babe, if y’all thought… That WNBA check don’t pay a thing. Did that even pay my car note?

I wouldn’t even be able to eat a sandwich with that. I wouldn’t even be able to eat. I wouldn’t be able to live

I think people are confusing things here:

1) She said that her WNBA pay could not support her rent on her apartment, which is true

2) She never said she could not afford the apartment. I saw a break down of all her revenue a few days ago and her WNBA salary was WAY down the list in terms of what she brings in.

Then why was she complaining

Hating pays them bills, baby," Reese said. "I just hope you know the WNBA don't pay my bills at all. I don't even think that pays one of my bills. Literally, I'm trying to think of my rent for where I stay at. Let me do the math real quick. I don't even know my (WNBA) salary. $74,000?"


Reese added that she pays $8,000 in rent monthly, adding up to a total of $96,000 in rent annually. Reese joked after: "I'm living beyond my means."



Maybe I don't understand but not sure why you go on Instagram live and mention it if it's not an issue

Idk

I think she was just informing people that her WNBA salary does not pay her rent.

I would not be surprised if it was some how tied in to the fact that the WNBA players union just pulled out of their CBA deal with the WNBA, and will be entering a negotiation period which may result in a work stoppage if things go poorly. I would not be shocked if you start seeing many many stories from WNBA players coming out and showing how little they make from the league to start to build their public case.

She made a ton of money in college from NIL before she even became a pro.

She has over 4 million followers on multiple social media platforms and has plenty of strong sponsorships.

She is not in any way hurting for money. But she is in the very unique position where her "main job" is one of her lowest revenue generators.

 

[belljr]

Well her main job is for a league that is losing 40 million a year

I'm all for fair treatment/equal pay but until the league needs to bring more in before they can pay more

 

[NewlyRetired]

Well her main job is for a league that is losing 40 million a year

I'm all for fair treatment/equal pay but until the league needs to bring more in before they can pay more

I am very interested to see how the negotiations go. The NBA made sure to leak all the negative info they could knowing the players were likely to pull out of the deal.

I can’t predict what will happen but a work stoppage right after the league started to gain real traction would be insane for all parties.

 

[Nugget]

Well her main job is for a league that is losing 40 million a year

I'm all for fair treatment/equal pay but until the league needs to bring more in before they can pay more

Total payroll for players for all 14 teams in the WNBA was under $18M for 2024.

The league just collected $125M franchise fee for the Portland expansion team, after the $115M fee for Toronto.

They may be able to pay more.

 

[SWC]

i hope the league strikes and cc goes and plays in europe and makes bank and makes whatever league it is the envy of the world and that the dopes like swoops have to realize the stupid games they have played take that to the bank brochachos

 

[NewlyRetired]

Well her main job is for a league that is losing 40 million a year

I'm all for fair treatment/equal pay but until the league needs to bring more in before they can pay more

Total payroll for players for all 14 teams in the WNBA was under $18M for 2024.

The league just collected $125M franchise fee for the Portland expansion team, after the $115M fee for Toronto.

They may be able to pay more.

The NBA leaked info about the expansion fees that does not appear to help the players.

The NBA said they are seeing zero return on their decades long investment and specifically called out the expansion fees saying they are not seeing any of that money. That money is being used to run the league and has not helped them get closer to profitability.

I think the players best hope for improved salaries is the new media deal that kicks in in 2026 where their TV revenue will get a huge boost.

If they really lost $40m this year, in a year where every revenue stream was up significantly, you can just imagine what the losses must have been these past 15-20 years combined.

Note that I am not certain I believe the $40m number. Every time one of these negotiations start in team sports, the ownership side always tries to make things look worse than they really are.

 

[Desert_Power]

I always thought the Liberty played at MSG for some reason.

They used to. Dolan sold them to the Tsai’s, who are the majority owners of the Nets.

Ah. No wonder they finally had success after leaving Dolan.

 

[NewlyRetired]

Doing some quick googling:

The WNBA average salary is 120k, max salary is 250k, on approximately $200m revenue per year.

The MLS average salary is $594k. They don’t have a max salary. The highest paid player, not named Messi, makes $15m a year, on a little over $2 billion in revenue per year.

 

[Encyclopedia Brown]

Half of the league has fired their head coach. That's a lot of turnover.

 

[Nugget]

KC WNBA Expansion Article

I'd be thrilled to welcome a WNBA team to KC. We opened an arena in 2016 - have been looking for a tenant ever since. Mahomes making a splash in a city unlike anything I'd ever seen.

 

[pollardsvision]

Big opening day for women's college hoops.

Tough game for USC (Ole Miss plays some great defense), but JuJu dropping an easy 27-10 with 5 blocks. Kiki was great, and that freshman, Kennedy Smith looks great.

UConn and the "other Carolina" will certainly have a say, but man, USC looks good.

 

[pollardsvision]

Well her main job is for a league that is losing 40 million a year

I'm all for fair treatment/equal pay but until the league needs to bring more in before they can pay more

Total payroll for players for all 14 teams in the WNBA was under $18M for 2024.

The league just collected $125M franchise fee for the Portland expansion team, after the $115M fee for Toronto.

They may be able to pay more.

The thing to remember about all the reported numbers is that this is a private league about to be in a labor negotiation. Nobody knows the numbers outside of ownership that's influenced to cry poor.That's just the way it goes in labor negotiations.

Anybody in the media posting about the profitability is either lying (it's the media, they do that), or being pumped biased information from the owners.

I don't know the league's profitability. Almost nobody does. The only people that really do have plenty of reasons to have the media convincing people that the league is losing money.

Again, I don't know. But neither does anybody else and I sure as heck ain't trusting the media.

 

[pollardsvision]

Finally catching up with the rest of this week's games.

Trust me on this, if you get a chance to watch Michigan and Syla Swords, do yourself a favor and watch.

In her first college basketball game, starting for an unranked Michigan team starting 2 other freshmen, against a South Carolina team that went 38-0 last year and only lost one player (and replaced that player with Joyce Edwards who has the look of a future #1 overall WNBA pick), she just absolutely dominated.

27-12 taking the defending champs to the brink.

Syla seems like she's going to be a star

 

[pollardsvision]

South Carolina is just absolutely ridiculous. I swear you could break this team in half and still have 2 potential FInal Four teams. We all know how amazing Caitlin is, and her being the last player to beat SC is another huge feather in her cap.

NCSU is really, really good. One of the best backcourts in the country and freshman Zam Jones only adds to that. She was fantastic and unphased. State kept getting punched the mouth and kept roaring back. I'm a Carolina man, but I can't help but love this team. They get some bigs to grow up in a hurry and they can do some damage. Collier flashs. Trygger and Awou seem like they could be studs with a little more seasoning.

 

[SFBayDuck]

South Carolina is just absolutely ridiculous.

We sure miss Te-Hina out here in Eugene, she was my favorite post-Sabrina player for sure.

Speaking of Sab she was here this weekend with the WNBA trophy, she was introduced during the football game on Saturday and again at the women's game against Baylor last night. Pretty cool to see!

I missed the first two games this week (we had tickets to 6 Duck events last week, couldn't make all of them!), but did watch one of those on tv. But seeing the Lady Ducks in person last night, I'm just so relieved that we actually have some athleticism and playmakers. Last year's team was so....stiff. No athleticism at all, nobody that could create their own shot. But Deja Kelly obviously changes that, as do a few of the other transfers. Thank god for the portal and seven new players.

It'll take a while for them to truly come together, as giving up a 17-2 run and the lead late in the game showed last night before they held on for the win. Baylor was missing two contributors, but I'll take a win against the #12 team in the country any day after that trainwreck of a season we had last year (14 losses in a row!).

 

[pollardsvision]

South Carolina is just absolutely ridiculous.

We sure miss Te-Hina out here in Eugene, she was my favorite post-Sabrina player for sure.

Speaking of Sab she was here this weekend with the WNBA trophy, she was introduced during the football game on Saturday and again at the women's game against Baylor last night. Pretty cool to see!

I missed the first two games this week (we had tickets to 6 Duck events last week, couldn't make all of them!), but did watch one of those on tv. But seeing the Lady Ducks in person last night, I'm just so relieved that we actually have some athleticism and playmakers. Last year's team was so....stiff. No athleticism at all, nobody that could create their own shot. But Deja Kelly obviously changes that, as do a few of the other transfers. Thank god for the portal and seven new players.

It'll take a while for them to truly come together, as giving up a 17-2 run and the lead late in the game showed last night before they held on for the win. Baylor was missing two contributors, but I'll take a win against the #12 team in the country any day after that trainwreck of a season we had last year (14 losses in a row!).

Totally sucks for you guys losing Paopao. She's so damn good, and getting better.

All the great PAC-12 programs in the B1G is going to be interesting. USC and UCLA are going to do fine, obviously. But a tough transition, for sure.

I wish your Ducks all the best.

 

[pollardsvision]

Geno trying to tie Tara VanDerVeer's record on Friday night against my Lady Heels.

Almost no shot that UNC can pull off this upset. But it was exactly a year ago that NC State shocked the world and knocked off UConn.

 

[pollardsvision]

Still catching up on the week's games, but @SFBayDuck , whoa, what a win for your Ducks over Baylor. Especially fun with Sab and the W Trophy in attendance.

I suspect your new favorite Duck could be Deja, who you guys stole from us.

Big win. B1G could be more wide open than people think. You guys busting out big wins early. Iowa isn't going to National Title games, but they are still going to be really good with Olsen and Stuelke.

 

[pollardsvision]

Heels are fighting valiantly, but UConn is surely just too much. Paige just won't miss. Strong is a stud already. Even bigger insult that UConn stole her right out of Fuquay-Varina.

 

[pollardsvision]

Heels ain't hear no bell!

Toomey looking like a really nice prospect.

 

[pollardsvision]

We tried like hell to put it off for one more game.

Congrats Geno on #1216.

The "30 wins a year for 40 years" club is just wild.

I'm old enough to remember Dean's 879* seeming like an insurmountable total.

*And I still contend that Dean was better than all these fools.