identikit
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Yeah, there's been a fair amount of similar flagrants in the NBA playoffs this year
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***official 2024/25 women’s college bball thread*** paige gets her title and will soon be beat up and abused in the wnba (1 Viewer)
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Yeah, there's been a fair amount of similar flagrants in the NBA playoffs this year
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
The WNBA didn't pick the Olympic team, but surely they are going to love the viewership that this All-Star Game format is going to bring.
It's going to be spicy. The Clark angle is huge of course, but there are others.
The Olympic team surely is clique-y and there are politics involved (like many Olympic teams). I don't think that's what kept Clark out, but it certainly kept others out.
Arike withdrew her name from consideration because she didn't think it would be a "good vibe". The Olympic team is basically bunch of Aces/Mercury/Liberty/Uconn players.
Nneka withdrew for similar reasons, and of course, she's been frozen out for 12 years.
Skylar Diggins-Smith? Long-time Mercury. Apparently, it didn't end well when the Mercury got rid of her when she got pregnant. Speculation is that she had no shot with Taurasi on the team.
A lot of players with an axe to grind with this Olympic team.
Reason #800,126 to love the WNBA. They are going to have an All-Star game where the players give a crap.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I usually stay away from all star type games but this one should be interesting.
General Malaise
Footballguy
When is the game and will it be on regular TV?
pollardsvision
Footballguy
July 20. They get a chance to bust the Olympic team's ### right before they fly to Paris.
Not sure the channel, but I assume it'll be ABC or CBS.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
More legacy news.
Dijonai Carrington? (great year and GM's 3rd favorite player, by my count)
Her pops is Darren Carrington. 5th round pick for the Broncos in 1989. Played in 2 Super Bowls. Rookie year as a kick-returner for the Broncos. Started at Safety for the Chargers in the '95 Super Bowl.
Also, a son, Darren Jr that was a WR at Oregon until he got popped for a DUI.
Dijonai Carrington? (great year and GM's 3rd favorite player, by my count)
Her pops is Darren Carrington. 5th round pick for the Broncos in 1989. Played in 2 Super Bowls. Rookie year as a kick-returner for the Broncos. Started at Safety for the Chargers in the '95 Super Bowl.
Also, a son, Darren Jr that was a WR at Oregon until he got popped for a DUI.
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Why the hate for Clark?
General Malaise
Footballguy
Why the hate for Clark?
I can like Reese and Clark simultaneously. And I do.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
@Dezbelief Here you go. Some mustard is just better than others.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I guess. One is coming off a lil thuggish to me … I’m not a big fan of thuggish. To each their own though
Why the hate for Clark?
I can like Reese and Clark simultaneously. And I do.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Angel definitely needs a PR coach. Some of the stuff she says is a little cringeworthy.
But an absolute baller doing the dirty work even when she may be lacking in developed skills, and always paying respect to those that paved the way. (and Caitlin does too. You just gotta love these kids)
She's awesome. Her and Caitlin are cut from the same cloth, IMO. They both just get after it and love ball.
But an absolute baller doing the dirty work even when she may be lacking in developed skills, and always paying respect to those that paved the way. (and Caitlin does too. You just gotta love these kids)
She's awesome. Her and Caitlin are cut from the same cloth, IMO. They both just get after it and love ball.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
And as someone who loves both, the W needs to get their merch game in order.
Go try to order anything from the Fever or Sky store. You might get it in about 5 years.
Go try to order anything from the Fever or Sky store. You might get it in about 5 years.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
And this will go over like a fart in church but there's still a very real possibility that the two best rookies in this class are for Rickea Jackson and Aaliyah Edwards. No knock on Clark, Reese, Cardoso,or Brink. It's just an absolutely loaded class.
TennesseeJed
Footballguy
yeah... no.
Clark: 16.1 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 6.2 apg
Edwards: 9.1 ppg, 6.4 rpg, 1.1 apg
Jackson: 10.3 ppg, 3.4 rpg, 0.7 apg
Reese is closer to Clark than those two:
Reese: 12.1 ppg, 10.2 rpg, 2.1 apg
Brink really isn't in the same picture
Brink: 8.1 ppg, 5.7 rpg, 1.8 apg
Now, I don't know who will end up being a better player long-term - but this season is pretty clearly Clark.
And, if you want to use EFF ranking - its Resse (16.4), Clark (16.1) - big gap - Edwards (12.6), Brink (12.1) - big gap - Jackson (8.6).
General Malaise
Footballguy
I guess. One is coming off a lil thuggish to me … I’m not a big fan of thuggish. To each their own though
Why the hate for Clark?
I can like Reese and Clark simultaneously. And I do.
I get it. I like her intensity, I like her fire and I like the way she plays. If I'm a coach, I damn sure want a personality like hers on my team; I'll deal with the drama if it means winning. But I can see how she is off-putting to some.
And I like Clark too. She's the athlete of the year and the year's not halfway done. She has revolutionized women's hoops by herself just by dragging eyeballs and clicks to it. Watching her shoot is mesmerizing.
I love watching both of them compete in their own way.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Hands off.
TennesseeJed
Footballguy
Even with that, Clark, as a guard, has the 3rd highest blocks per game amongst rookies.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Even with that, Clark, as a guard, has the 3rd highest blocks per game amongst rookies.
Next block she needs to make is a block straight to Angel Reese's grill and take that to the bank brochacho!
TennesseeJed
Footballguy
Even with that, Clark, as a guard, has the 3rd highest blocks per game amongst rookies.
Next block she needs to make is a block straight to Angel Reese's grill and take that to the bank brochacho!
General Malaise
Footballguy
Yeah, I said it. If Caitlin wants to restore order in the universe, she should ****ing clock Reese with a hard foul. Let the chips fall where they may.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
No need for her to punch down and lower herself to that level.
I thought Dan Patrick had a good take today when he said Caitlan Clark doesn't need Angel Reese, but Angel Reese needs Caitlan Clark.
SWC
Bromigo
gm has gone over to the dark side and i for one like it take that to the bank brohans
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Yes, I understand their current per game averages.
I meant what they might ultimately develop into. Probably not likely. Clark, Brink, and Cardoso went 1-2-3 for a reason. But Edwards and jackson have shown some glimpses of being special.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
Really good podcast with Fever beat reporter, Tony East, on latest episode of the Locked On Women's Basketball podcast.
TennesseeJed
Footballguy
The Indiana Fever's 91-83 victory over the visiting Chicago Sky on Sunday was the WNBA's most-watched game in 23 years, CBS announced Tuesday.
The game featured 2024 first overall pick Caitlin Clark of the Fever and No. 7 overall pick Angel Reese of the Sky. The contest averaged 2.25 million viewers, a 225% increase over a comparable game window last season between the Phoenix Mercury and New York Liberty.
Sunday's viewership reached its peak at 3 million viewers.
This is why Clark (and maybe Reese) should have been added to Team USA - sometimes you have to see the bigger picture, and bringing eyeballs to the sport helps grow the sport.
The game featured 2024 first overall pick Caitlin Clark of the Fever and No. 7 overall pick Angel Reese of the Sky. The contest averaged 2.25 million viewers, a 225% increase over a comparable game window last season between the Phoenix Mercury and New York Liberty.
Sunday's viewership reached its peak at 3 million viewers.
This is why Clark (and maybe Reese) should have been added to Team USA - sometimes you have to see the bigger picture, and bringing eyeballs to the sport helps grow the sport.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Fever with a really good shot to get to 8-10. Their next three games are the Mystics, Dream, and Sky. 3 of the 4 teams they've already beaten.
Although, don't sleep on the Mystics. They are 2-1 since the loss to the Fever, and the loss was a really close game against the Liberty.
Although, don't sleep on the Mystics. They are 2-1 since the loss to the Fever, and the loss was a really close game against the Liberty.
PlayaHata
Footballguy
Sorry for the late post but I actually attended the Fever/Sky game on Saturday as a Father's Day present - my first time seeing CC play in person.
- With regards to the Reese flagrant foul - Our seats were in row 16 behind the basket where the foul took place. I will agree with what the other poster said earlier. In the fast pace of the play, I didn't even initially catch the blow to the head. Watching the replay, it was a basketball play, but yet it was a unnecessary blow to the head as well. I thought the refs got it exactly right in escalating the common foul to a flagrant 1, but not to a flagrant 2 which would have resulted in an ejection.
- Reese reminds me of a female Charles Barkley in that she is somewhat undersized but yet she can be dominant inside, especially with rebounding.
- I thought this was CC's best game as a pro. She wasn't forcing and taking bad shots, she didn't turn the ball over as much, and yet she still finished with a super efficient 21/9/8 and 2 blocks.
- The Fever still need some pieces around her though for sure. They were destroyed on the boards in the first half. A little before halftime, the Sky had more offensive rebounds than the Fever had total rebounds. They did much better in the 2nd half though.
- Definitely a fun atmosphere and I will certainly attend some more Fever games!
pollardsvision
Footballguy
A real game effort from Dallas in Minnesota last night.
Dallas is on an 8-game skid right now, but they made the semi-finals last year. They've been missing their 2nd and 3rd best players all year. And then Arike was a late scratch before this game. Minny is one of the best teams in the league and should have won this by 25 at home.
Minny was just too much and pulled away late, but Dallas' 2nd and 3rd stringers kept it a really good game for 3.5 quarters.
The talent in the league is just so deep. There are only 144 roster spots. Anybody drafted after #8 overall is usually a long shot to even make the roster.
After being devastated by injuries, this year's #6 pick taken right ahead of Angel Reese, Jacy Sheldon, finally got a little run. Along with last year's #5 overall pick, who wouldn't see the court under normal circumstances.
In this almost upset, the WIngs were led by Mo Billings. Never been able to get minutes in this league, and was even cut by the Sparks a week into the season. Finally gets a chance because of injury, putting in a 12-9 season.
Maddy Siegrist scored 3000 points at Villanova. 30 points a game as a senior. Was the #3 overall pick last year. Last year, she couldn't get minutes with the WIngs. This year, she's at 15 points a game getting minutes because the WIngs have no choice.
Anyway, great effort for the Wings, and man, the expansion of the WNBA will be good because the league just needs more jobs for these ladies.
Dallas is on an 8-game skid right now, but they made the semi-finals last year. They've been missing their 2nd and 3rd best players all year. And then Arike was a late scratch before this game. Minny is one of the best teams in the league and should have won this by 25 at home.
Minny was just too much and pulled away late, but Dallas' 2nd and 3rd stringers kept it a really good game for 3.5 quarters.
The talent in the league is just so deep. There are only 144 roster spots. Anybody drafted after #8 overall is usually a long shot to even make the roster.
After being devastated by injuries, this year's #6 pick taken right ahead of Angel Reese, Jacy Sheldon, finally got a little run. Along with last year's #5 overall pick, who wouldn't see the court under normal circumstances.
In this almost upset, the WIngs were led by Mo Billings. Never been able to get minutes in this league, and was even cut by the Sparks a week into the season. Finally gets a chance because of injury, putting in a 12-9 season.
Maddy Siegrist scored 3000 points at Villanova. 30 points a game as a senior. Was the #3 overall pick last year. Last year, she couldn't get minutes with the WIngs. This year, she's at 15 points a game getting minutes because the WIngs have no choice.
Anyway, great effort for the Wings, and man, the expansion of the WNBA will be good because the league just needs more jobs for these ladies.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Still no official word on the severity, as far as I can tell, but Brink suffered a knee injury last night
This royally sucks.
This royally sucks.
SWC
Bromigo
has anyone checked on gm to make sure he is ok take that to the bank brohans
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Interesting fact I heard: The Chicago Sky have played 13 games this seasons so far, and have committed only two flagrant fouls. Both were committed against Caitlan Clark. I guess we can act like that's a coincidence, but it's pretty easy to connect the dots here, IMO.
General Malaise
Footballguy
I finally watched a game last night (Mercury vs Liberty) because the CWS game got postponed and nothing else was on.
It was about what I expected. A slower less athletic version of basketball. It reminded me of a good high school level game.
Griner looked clunky. I thought she would appear more athletic. Stewart can shoot. She looked smooth. Ionesco didn't jump out to me as much as some of the hype I had heard. I thought she would be better. #11 on Phoenix shot well. But what it seemed to me is it was a lot of just open shots. Not a lot of defensive pressure on shots from both sides. Just not enough athleticism to contest shots.
Overall it was fine. Game was close. But the style of play was blah. Kind of clunky at times.
With nothing else on I may watch but it's not going to jump up the list.
It was about what I expected. A slower less athletic version of basketball. It reminded me of a good high school level game.
Griner looked clunky. I thought she would appear more athletic. Stewart can shoot. She looked smooth. Ionesco didn't jump out to me as much as some of the hype I had heard. I thought she would be better. #11 on Phoenix shot well. But what it seemed to me is it was a lot of just open shots. Not a lot of defensive pressure on shots from both sides. Just not enough athleticism to contest shots.
Overall it was fine. Game was close. But the style of play was blah. Kind of clunky at times.
With nothing else on I may watch but it's not going to jump up the list.
NewbieJr
Footballguy
I agree. Clark is not only separating herself from Reese as an all-aroiund player, but she is CLEARLY separating herself as a person. Everything she says is classy. From a pure viewing pleasure standpoint, it would be great to see her foul Reese right into the basket support. But I love that Clark doesn't involve herself in all the drama that the league's lesser-known players are trying to drag her into.
Be strong: it is an ACL injury
SWC
Bromigo
that stinks i have been around boys and girls basketball for my entire adult life and the acl joint for women is just a terribly weak link very common injury and about 9 to 12 months take that to the bank brochachos
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Ugh. She's such a joy to watch and an awesome kid.
Glad she at least got a quarter of a rookie season in, and can come back stronger than ever.
I don't know what her injury was, but Ionescu had a season ending injury like 3 games into her rookie year.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Speaking of farts, I'm about to let out a loud stinky one here in church.
WNBA Win Share Leaders
League leader is A'ja, of course, at 3.3 which is even more remarkable on a team with only 6 wins.
The rookies:
Angel Reese 1.2 win shares (on a team with only 4 wins)
Aaliyah Edwards 0.8 (team has 2 wins)
Cam Brink 0.3
Rickea 0.3
Kate Martin 0.2
Alissa Pili 0.1
Nika Muhl 0.0
Caitlin Clark -0.1
Julie Vanloo -0.1
Jacy Sheldon -0.3
Uzon -0.7
Caitlin is awesome, having a great rookie year, and has an incredibly bright future. No knock on Caitlin at all, but there are a lot of really good rookies in this class. Angel's game is far from complete, and I question her long term upside, but what she does well, she's doing really well. Her offensive rebounding rate is on track to be like top 3 in league history. Edwards is developing as a polished low-post player very quickly. Rickea and Brink already look like they belong. Cardoso could even end up being the best. She's 6'7" still learning the game and only lost 1 game in college and looks like she belongs in a small sample.
And obviously, win shares is an incredibly unfair stat to measure Caitln on this early. The turnovers count heavy against her, and a lot of them came in the early season gauntlet against some of the best teams in the league.
And of course, PG is the position that takes the longest to develop in the league. That she's done so well this early is amazing.
The bottom 5 on that list are all PG's.
WNBA Win Share Leaders
League leader is A'ja, of course, at 3.3 which is even more remarkable on a team with only 6 wins.
The rookies:
Angel Reese 1.2 win shares (on a team with only 4 wins)
Aaliyah Edwards 0.8 (team has 2 wins)
Cam Brink 0.3
Rickea 0.3
Kate Martin 0.2
Alissa Pili 0.1
Nika Muhl 0.0
Caitlin Clark -0.1
Julie Vanloo -0.1
Jacy Sheldon -0.3
Uzon -0.7
Caitlin is awesome, having a great rookie year, and has an incredibly bright future. No knock on Caitlin at all, but there are a lot of really good rookies in this class. Angel's game is far from complete, and I question her long term upside, but what she does well, she's doing really well. Her offensive rebounding rate is on track to be like top 3 in league history. Edwards is developing as a polished low-post player very quickly. Rickea and Brink already look like they belong. Cardoso could even end up being the best. She's 6'7" still learning the game and only lost 1 game in college and looks like she belongs in a small sample.
And obviously, win shares is an incredibly unfair stat to measure Caitln on this early. The turnovers count heavy against her, and a lot of them came in the early season gauntlet against some of the best teams in the league.
And of course, PG is the position that takes the longest to develop in the league. That she's done so well this early is amazing.
The bottom 5 on that list are all PG's.
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pollardsvision
Footballguy
Getting my Ortho degree on the Google, it appears that all the advances in ACL repair/rehab over the decades that we've seen for men don't seem to be the case yet for women.
Whatever the anatomy aspects are that make the ACL more vulnerable for women, I'd have to think that being 6'4 and incredibly long and lanky don't help.
My left knee was acting up all day in sympathy pain for Brink. I tore the ACL in '94. Playing basketball (on a trampoline). Never got it repaired (we didn't have health insurance). But this was back when an ACL tear was going to ruin your career anyway. I turn into Al Bundy when I explain what my football career would have been like without that ACL tear.
Nugget
Footballguy
So you are saying that CC gets whistles that no one else gets? Interesting take…
B Maverick
Footballguy
They are called HIPS.
The female anatomy causes their legs to angle inward slightly, making them more susceptible to ACL tears. Plus, at least in soccer, the footwear is mostly made for men and do not provide as good support for the ladies. Not sure about basketball shoes though, but I would be surprised if they were different.
Also, as I have learned, most ACL tears are a result of the muscles around the knee being out of balance. So overtraining one muscle or neglecting another in your leg increases your chances of a tear.
No I am not a doctor, nor did I sleep at a holiday inn express. Just someone that has had both mine repaired and has a sister who has had both hers done, this is what I have been told.
