skol asylum
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Another weapon for McCarthy in WR Tai Felton.
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Was thinking the Vikes might like someone like Jalen Royals so Felton makes sense.
There's a bit of a threat of Addison being suspended.
There's a bit of a threat of Addison being suspended.
rockaction
Footballguy
Crazy. Put us to bed.
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Eisen all over Sanders jock
skol asylum
Footballguy
Thor Nystrom pointed out that Felton is a bit like Diggs coming out of Maryland as well. Skilled receiver that has somethings to clean up and that will determine his trajectory in the NFL.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I just traded for Addison, too.
GregR
Footballguy
Boiling down their trades around the first 3 rounds.... Texans dropped 9 spots in 1st and 8 spots in 3rd, and gained 10 spots in second. Also gained a future year 3rd round pick, and a this year 6th round pick. Without checking Chase's value chart, I'd say they came out ahead by a little bit.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'd expect Bigsby and Swift and Robinson to get bumps moving forward. The crossed out names might becomes affordable and the rest will probably remain steady. Lots of names still susceptible to losing out.
ZWK
Footballguy
Here are the teams sorted by profit from trades, combining a few different trade value charts (JJ, Rich Hill, F-S, AV, Reinhard, Reinhard Empirical) and treating future picks as being worth the last (non-compensatory) pick of the round:
CLE (946, 1.30, 6/6)
LV (575, 1.32, 6/6)
LAR (289, 1.23, 6/6)
NE (264, 1.24, 5/6)
HOU (249, 1.07, 6/6)
TEN (183, 1.17, 4/6)
CHI (132, 1.07, 4/6)
DEN (83, 1.03, 6/6)
MIN (56, 1.11, 5/6)
PHI (51, 1.02, 3/6)
KC (-30, 0.98, 1/6)
BUF (-132, 0.94, 2/6)
CAR (-141, 0.94, 0/6)
SEA (-183, 0.88, 2/6)
MIA (-365, 0.76, 0/6)
ATL (-391, 0.81, 0/6)
DET (-429, 0.78, 0/6)
NYG (-445, 0.76, 0/6)
JAX (-714, 0.87, 0/6)
The first number in parentheses is the total profit, value gained minus value lost, averaging together 6 trade value charts where each one is scaled so that the first overall pick is worth 3000.
The second number is the return, value gained divided by value lost.
The third number is how many of the 6 trade value charts the team came out ahead on. e.g., NE came out ahead on their trades according to 5 of the 6 charts, but the Jimmy Johnson chart has them as slight losers, so they get 5/6.
IMO these numbers are too harsh on some trade-ups (e.g. JAX from 5 to 2 - the gap between those players was bigger than usual) and too gentle on some (e.g. counting the future 1st that ATL gave to draft Pearce as pick 32 is underrating its value, since that pick could be early).
CLE (946, 1.30, 6/6)
LV (575, 1.32, 6/6)
LAR (289, 1.23, 6/6)
NE (264, 1.24, 5/6)
HOU (249, 1.07, 6/6)
TEN (183, 1.17, 4/6)
CHI (132, 1.07, 4/6)
DEN (83, 1.03, 6/6)
MIN (56, 1.11, 5/6)
PHI (51, 1.02, 3/6)
KC (-30, 0.98, 1/6)
BUF (-132, 0.94, 2/6)
CAR (-141, 0.94, 0/6)
SEA (-183, 0.88, 2/6)
MIA (-365, 0.76, 0/6)
ATL (-391, 0.81, 0/6)
DET (-429, 0.78, 0/6)
NYG (-445, 0.76, 0/6)
JAX (-714, 0.87, 0/6)
The first number in parentheses is the total profit, value gained minus value lost, averaging together 6 trade value charts where each one is scaled so that the first overall pick is worth 3000.
The second number is the return, value gained divided by value lost.
The third number is how many of the 6 trade value charts the team came out ahead on. e.g., NE came out ahead on their trades according to 5 of the 6 charts, but the Jimmy Johnson chart has them as slight losers, so they get 5/6.
IMO these numbers are too harsh on some trade-ups (e.g. JAX from 5 to 2 - the gap between those players was bigger than usual) and too gentle on some (e.g. counting the future 1st that ATL gave to draft Pearce as pick 32 is underrating its value, since that pick could be early).
BroncoFreak_2K3
sucker for Orange
Eisen losing his **** right now. So butthurt. lol
ChiefD
Footballguy
Shhhhhhh………
GregR
Footballguy
Thanks for sharing that. I've given a lot of thought over the years to the value of future picks. I get the angle when people treat it like the future value of money... but I just haven't ever been convinced that is the right way to do it. I mean sure it is if you're a GM and more worried about keeping your job. But I don't think any of us have any reason to look at it from that angle. We should view it by the long term value to the franchise overall.
Agree with you I don't like the 'last pick of the round' aspect. I would rather treat them like it's the same draft order that year as this year. Or maybe sort by Vegas win totals to try to incorporate roster changes that are already known.
But, nice to see that look at it, so thanks for posting.
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
It's going to take a really stable organization (coach/QB) to have any desire to take him on. He's probably looking at practice squad at this point. Where they can shove him in the background and maybe he develops in obscurity for a year or two.
Does any organization want to hear Deion say "Backup Shadeur is better than the starter, etc...." or Deion insinuate he's better than Shadeur's NFL coach? Why you've got to have an entrenched QB/coach. Even then, is it really worth it?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, felt kinda like a wash to me. A little schizophrenic.
Gawain
Footballguy
Craig_MiamiFL
Footballguy
Rich Eisen big mad about Shadeur's fall 
Spiraling.
Spiraling.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
I just don't understand why all these guys in the media think Sanders should have been picked over any of the other qbs that went ahead of him other than Gabriel. Did they not watch him play and just take Deion's word for it? Take the name and hype away from him and he's exactly what the NFL GMs are showing everyone, an average talent with a ton of baggage that makes him a risk to even bring into the building as a backup. He's got the ability to be a backup, but that's it and with the circus and attitude he has even that might not be worth it. The entire thing has been pretty bizarre.
The Longtime Lurker
Footballguy
I hate that I agree with this.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
I follow Maryland (I know, I know.....why?) and have seen Felton quite a bit. He's a good player. The Vikings seem pretty good at drafting/developing WRs, so I think Felton's future is bright.
Uruk-Hai
Footballguy
Baltimore went DB, Edge, OL with their first three picks. They have 8 picks today (assuming no trades). I would expect DL to get some attention from them and they'll double-dip on at least a couple of the positions already taken. I also think they're going to draft a PK. There will be a RB, WR, and LB in there somewhere (they lost a bit from their core STers and their return game sucked last season).
I think it would be hilarious if they drafted Sanders.
I think it would be hilarious if they drafted Sanders.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Read an article saying how Roger Goodell wants to shorted the time between picks in the first round.
Once again, $$$$$$ >>>> the sport. The draft isn’t supposed to be a TV show. It’s supposed to be so that the teams can make the most important contributions and additions to their team.
Gross. My lawn, get off of it.
Once again, $$$$$$ >>>> the sport. The draft isn’t supposed to be a TV show. It’s supposed to be so that the teams can make the most important contributions and additions to their team.
Gross. My lawn, get off of it.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
If the previous two months of work didn't give you an indication of who you were going pick in the first round, an extra 5 minutes isn't going to help.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Agreed. Don’t mind OT in the 2nd because its hard to have too many OL (especially how theirs was so thin in the playoffs). But the 2nd wr was puzzling.
Now if the somehow its a miracle and they keep Jaire and he stays healthy…that could change my mind. But need DL/DE and CB bad.
Would look a lot better had they not made that last trade up, that one was a head scratcher and was bad value. Hopefully the corner they took pans out, seeing him called a major reach a lot today but also found a bunch of pre-draft articles saying he was a top sleeper late round and could go much earlier than expected.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
I think the extra time is more about making trades than making picks. Fielding calls from multiple teams takes some time.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The GMs call ahead and negotiate based on players they're targeting. So the GMs know who's interested in their pick and what they're offering before they even come on the clock. They have so much time, there's video of the Lions GM calling teams and pranking them during the draft.
GregR
Footballguy
Yes, I was ok with the trade up for the tackle as he was going to go, and seemed like a bit of a drop off after him, nearly as big as the one between him and the day 1 tackles.
But I didn't feel like that last trade needed to be made. They could have gotten a good player, and even at a position of more need, just waiting.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Miami has 116, 143, 150 and 155 today plus 3 more picks in the 7th round that likely are going to be camp fodder mostly
I would be OK if they drafted Sanders or Skattebo/Martinez at RB
Miami has abandoned the DB position so why even bother at this point
-Logic says they will take 2-3 DBs today and challenge the crap they have starting in the Secondary
Maybe 1 more IDL if they find the right guy
I would be OK if they drafted Sanders or Skattebo/Martinez at RB
Miami has abandoned the DB position so why even bother at this point
-Logic says they will take 2-3 DBs today and challenge the crap they have starting in the Secondary
Maybe 1 more IDL if they find the right guy
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Could see more OL help. Marcus Mbow or Cameron Williams maybe?
RB would really surprise me. Its arguably the position they need least.
They really dropped the ball at Safety. Guys like Winston and Watts fell big time, and they just watched. They might have the worst Safety room in the NFL. I do wonder if the lack of CB picks, means they are keeping Ramsey.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I endorse Miami taking Sanders at 116...who knows if anyone will take him before Miami but the value for Sanders at this point, I can del with the circus, it's how Ross runs the team
Tua will be injured midway thru the season and they can roll him out and see what happens
I can't be the only NFL fan thinking this.
Sanders was never a 1st Rd QB but 2nd/3rd, now Day 3 he seems like an easy pick for most teams and Dillon Gabriel went ahead of him, don't know what to make of it
At this point, I think Sanders is a great pick for ANY team.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I really enjoyed watching the FBG livestream on YT the last two nights. Is that happening again today? Haven't seen a link yet if so....
crushedspirit
Footballguy
I think round 4 will be about the RBs with so many quality ones still available.
I hope so. Very surprised we didn’t get 2 or 3 more already.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Passed on Royals?
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I think the Eagles could take Mbow at 111.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Forget what I said about Tank Bigsby.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I think the NY Jets end up taking Sanders.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Vrabel wasn't happy when they traded AJ Brown.
crushedspirit
Footballguy
Nice pick Giants
Dude is a player
Dude is a player
