Zow
Footballguy
Nah.. legit member guests are very competitive and cheating seems very rare (as you're paired up with competitors). Unless by "cheating" you mean the guest's handicap.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
Yeah, that's what I meant. I know nobody's allowing on course stuff but I assume everyone who is actually in the mix is sand bagging their index.
I'm also playing in a charity scramble on Monday. In the past, there have been buyable mulligans and some other stuff, so it's not that serious. But it's always a good time.
SouthJersey
Footballguy
I know about 50% of the members well (guys around my age who I sometimes play with), don't know anything about any of the guests..though one guest is a member at Winged Foot so I'm hoping to become buddies with him this weekend. We use cap patrol, and also play off of 90% of the year low handicap.
Format is 8 flights of 8 teams. Play 7 9-hole matches within your flight. Matches are scored on the 11 point system -- 1 point per hole and 2 for winning the match.
Instinctive
Footballguy
90% of the year low
So last August I peaked at 13.6. Right now I'm a 14.8. Does that mean for the tournament purpose I would play as roughly a 12?
Zow
Footballguy
This sounds like it's set up quite well.
My main suggestion is to identify the "good" guests - whether that's because they're sandbagging or in good form. If I'm betting on a team other than my own in a pari-mutuel, it's because I've identified a favorable guest.
Calcuttas can be a different strategy.
Zow
Footballguy
Yep - and likely adjust for the course and the tees you're playing, etc.
BeTheMatch
Footballguy
Yeah, we bought out the max mulligans too, and I'm like, that's fine if we just want to donate more to the fundraiser, but no matter what we shoot, we won't win, so what's the point???
Judge Smails
Footballguy
Just got back from our 24 guy annual boondoggle in La Quinta. Get there on Tuesday after Memorial Day, played Wednesday through Saturday. First and last rounds are tournament. Skins, CTP's, LD, and Low Gross/Low Net. Middle 2 days are Ryder Cup format. 2 man scramble, 2 man modified alt shot, Singles. We have the draft in March and there's a lot of trash talk leading up to it. Played Indian Wells (Celebrity), Desert Willow 36, PGA West Stadium and Escena. Stayed at the Chateau at Lake La Quinta (awesome, 24 rooms, we take over the whole place for a week. Great food (steak and lobster champions dinner, unreal Mexican buffet, Tomahawks, etc. Everybody thought one team (ours) was gonna win in a landslide. We got boatraced 14 1/2 - 9 1/2. Shows you never know. I won 2 of my 3 matches including beating the guy who dominates every year in Singles for the first time ever. He's scratch. I'm currently an 8 but have been as low as a 5.7. I've beaten him a few times in Low Gross but that was a long time ago. Never beaten him in Singles. Best I could do was to take him to 16 and 17 before losing. They were contemplating making him play from the back tees to make it more equitable, but I said no. Never trailed. Played great golf and won 3&1 closing him out on the island green at Stadium. Had a bad warm up session while he was just lacing every club in the bag next to me so super proud that I blocked everything out and just played my game. Didn't play the 18th hole but was tracking to 76 or 77. Not bad with all the trouble on Stadium. Shot 80-79 in my 2 tourney rounds. Scratch guy won Low Gross (74-77) and I tied for Low Net. Won 15 skins on the last day and had a CTP so won some cash. Overall, I was very consistent so happy with the preparation going into it. Would have shot 3-4 shots lower each round but man I could not adjust for the slow greens for the life of me. So pissed about that. Left downhill putts short. It's a problem when our club is lightening fast and these greens in Palm Springs makes it feel the ball has brakes on it. No excuses next year - have to make that adjustment right away.
Overall, a great trip. We have a poker tourney, guys that are in a band played the final night, tons of libations and cigars. Male bonding at it's finest. Great conversations and belly laughs galore. Nothing better. 30th official year with this format of 24 guys.
Overall, a great trip. We have a poker tourney, guys that are in a band played the final night, tons of libations and cigars. Male bonding at it's finest. Great conversations and belly laughs galore. Nothing better. 30th official year with this format of 24 guys.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Played excellent this weekend, but a couple bad holes on slim margins.
Opening tee shot...clips a tree just a tiny bit too aggressive cutting a dog leg right. One branch just sticking out over the front of the tee box and ball bounced right and dead...double bogey.
12th hole, had to wait so freaking long for these morons in front of us (Not kidding, like waited every single hole, sometimes they had multiple guys hitting their second shot from basically the tee box. Like man it's ok to suck (i sucked for a long time!) but for the love of god just re-tee or drop with whoever hit the best one. But the time you're at 5 or 6 shots, just go drop one on the green and putt a couple times. Jesus. Anyway, I waited so long my entire back locked up on the tee shot, and it was still super stiff on second shot...tee shot yanked left for a penalty, second shot yanked left for a penalty, bad chip, triple bogey on the hole.
15th hole, tee shot was the only big slicer of the day, 3 off the tee, bad chip, triple bogey. Hardest hole on the course so I am usually happy to take a bogey.
The remaining 15 holes? Only 9 over. Buddy commented this month is easily the best my tee game has every looked (which is true). Harder to tell probably but my irons have looked WAY better also. Putting has been generally fire (none dropped this weekend, but left 6 within two inches of the hole).
I HAVE to re-figure out chipping now. It used to be so far and away my bread and butter, now when it doesn't work it is not only bad, but it is frustrating, which makes it worse. I think that is where we will focus lesson on Wednesday.
Feeling closer than ever to a step change in scoring.
Opening tee shot...clips a tree just a tiny bit too aggressive cutting a dog leg right. One branch just sticking out over the front of the tee box and ball bounced right and dead...double bogey.
12th hole, had to wait so freaking long for these morons in front of us (Not kidding, like waited every single hole, sometimes they had multiple guys hitting their second shot from basically the tee box. Like man it's ok to suck (i sucked for a long time!) but for the love of god just re-tee or drop with whoever hit the best one. But the time you're at 5 or 6 shots, just go drop one on the green and putt a couple times. Jesus. Anyway, I waited so long my entire back locked up on the tee shot, and it was still super stiff on second shot...tee shot yanked left for a penalty, second shot yanked left for a penalty, bad chip, triple bogey on the hole.
15th hole, tee shot was the only big slicer of the day, 3 off the tee, bad chip, triple bogey. Hardest hole on the course so I am usually happy to take a bogey.
The remaining 15 holes? Only 9 over. Buddy commented this month is easily the best my tee game has every looked (which is true). Harder to tell probably but my irons have looked WAY better also. Putting has been generally fire (none dropped this weekend, but left 6 within two inches of the hole).
I HAVE to re-figure out chipping now. It used to be so far and away my bread and butter, now when it doesn't work it is not only bad, but it is frustrating, which makes it worse. I think that is where we will focus lesson on Wednesday.
Feeling closer than ever to a step change in scoring.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Oh and our 10th hole is a relatively short (330?) dog leg right, with water on the right. An excellent drive (carry 250) can cut it quite a bit, and if you can carry it 275 and hi the slot, you can put it on the green.
It's a very long walk from the 9th green. I hit my worst drive, just kinda topped it, but it landed up in the red tee box. Took out the hybrid and hit the best shot ever. So I went 60 yard drive, 220 yard hybrid to greenside (from the red tees it is easy to cut the corner a lot) LOL.
It's a very long walk from the 9th green. I hit my worst drive, just kinda topped it, but it landed up in the red tee box. Took out the hybrid and hit the best shot ever. So I went 60 yard drive, 220 yard hybrid to greenside (from the red tees it is easy to cut the corner a lot) LOL.
Yankee23Fan
Fair Tax!
I would be happy to stay around 85 to 90 honestly. I just got back from an impromptu 18 and I played awful. I think I'm regressing a bit with the new irons. Can't control short game at all so once I'm inside 150 it's like I'm a different person.
Did par out 18 on a 15 footer while there was a gallery of people watching because of some prom thing. So at least I didn't get heckled by drunk teenagers. Which is nice.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Starting to figure out the new driver game. Couple penalties still creeping in as I figure out what is too aggressive, whats my left-right dispersion, etc...but overall WAY better. There's a hole on our regular course that like 430, par 4, straight, big fairway. Hard because it's so long. 3 rounds in a row now I've been able to hit 5i, 6i, 6i into the green instead of 3W, 3H or not even having a prayer at it.
Having to figure out distances with the other clubs is hard too because the swing is finally just smooth and clean and in to out and whippy and just feels good. But the ball goes farther, even on the mishits. So I gotta figure out what the average carry is again, vs the best ones or the old ones etc. So it's a big net gain, but right now I'm overshooting approaches kind of a lot.
Chipping was WAY better after focusing on it at this week's lesson. That too, now, with new swing and mechanics and everything finally coming together is just some good practice away from being back to the strength of my game that it always was. Only a single double chip today too which was nice.
Getting more excited at even week over week progress. Number of pars increasing, bogeys decreasing, GIRs increasing...if I can decrease first putt distance and cut out those last couple penalties I think I may exceed this year's goal of breaking 10 handicap.
Having to figure out distances with the other clubs is hard too because the swing is finally just smooth and clean and in to out and whippy and just feels good. But the ball goes farther, even on the mishits. So I gotta figure out what the average carry is again, vs the best ones or the old ones etc. So it's a big net gain, but right now I'm overshooting approaches kind of a lot.
Chipping was WAY better after focusing on it at this week's lesson. That too, now, with new swing and mechanics and everything finally coming together is just some good practice away from being back to the strength of my game that it always was. Only a single double chip today too which was nice.
Getting more excited at even week over week progress. Number of pars increasing, bogeys decreasing, GIRs increasing...if I can decrease first putt distance and cut out those last couple penalties I think I may exceed this year's goal of breaking 10 handicap.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Instinctive
Footballguy
Not far off from my bag.
Driver
3h
5i-42 degree PW
46, 50, 54, 58 wedges
Putter
I have room to add a 3W or a 5W but I haven't put the time in to hit them properly yet. I definitely need something to fill in gapping from about 200 to 250 lol.
I've been considering taking out the 50 also for a 3/5/7W or maybe a 2h. I find I rarely use the 50 vs a partial PW.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
playing pretty good right now, seem to only struggle a bit with the putter as the greens at the courses I play are so vastly different with speed. my biggest issue right now is that after friday's round my right knee has swollen and not subsided 3 days later 
hopefully it's just a sprain
hopefully it's just a sprain
Zow
Footballguy
I shot 77-38- (emergency nine)-74 this weekend and lost money. 
Took my kid out for 9 holes after my round Sunday and played the junior tees with him. Shot -4 with a bad bogey. Due to a slow group a couple of groups ahead, my son and I joined up with a single on hole 3 who after I eagled 9 asked if I had played competitively somewhere which was fun to hear. But, alas, it's just that the junior tees are a big advantage (designed to eliminate dog legs on the course and take off some real distance on some holes) and I also made a couple of 7-10 footers which improved the score.
Took my kid out for 9 holes after my round Sunday and played the junior tees with him. Shot -4 with a bad bogey. Due to a slow group a couple of groups ahead, my son and I joined up with a single on hole 3 who after I eagled 9 asked if I had played competitively somewhere which was fun to hear. But, alas, it's just that the junior tees are a big advantage (designed to eliminate dog legs on the course and take off some real distance on some holes) and I also made a couple of 7-10 footers which improved the score.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Played a scramble this weekend and we shot -16. Not bad for a bunch of sometimes golfers.
Late last fall I bought a Titleist 818 H1 27 degree hybrid. It replaced my 6 iron. Yes it's an older club but the thing is an absolute sniper rifle. Twice yesterday I put it to within 10 feet from the cup from about 160/170 out. It was awesome!
Late last fall I bought a Titleist 818 H1 27 degree hybrid. It replaced my 6 iron. Yes it's an older club but the thing is an absolute sniper rifle. Twice yesterday I put it to within 10 feet from the cup from about 160/170 out. It was awesome!
The Gator
Footballguy
I'm lacking in the short clubs now. Got the top of my bag filled out with D, 3W, 5W ...now i need to do wedges. I have my PW that came with my irons, love it, hit it very well. However, my other two wedges are a different brand and different lie. I cannot play them from distance, only around the greens. I basically use my PW from 130-70 with different swings and that seem to be working for now. From 70 and in, if there's no hazard I'll bump and run my 7I since I can't swing my 50 degree from there without it going 20 yards or 140 yards
gump
Footballguy
I'm about to start using one for the first time with my son, as we prep for the US Kids Worlds late July. The course we're playing (Mid Pines) is available to play at a place here in Tampa we can use. I'm assuming going in that it won't help much with short game...that'll have to be onsite (other than a general understanding of Donald Ross green complexes). But it should be helpful to pinpoint ideal clubs to landing targets...angles...trees that may be trouble...etc.
Anyone used them this way?
Instinctive
Footballguy
I currently have a 46 degree thats full at 110, 50 full 98, 54 full 85-ish, and I never ever hit the 58 full. I like a 3/4 PW shot more than a full 50, so I think I'm gonna take the 50 out. I'd rather have 3/4 and 1/2 swings with PW, 46, 54 that give me everything i need. The 58 is just there when I absolutely have to flop or a bunker has too big a lip for even an open 54.
3 hour lunch
Footballguy
Out in Michigan this week playing Arcadia, Forest Dunes, Bay Harbor and others. Nice courses, but I need to take a lesson or something. Can’t hit a green with a wedge, stubbing pitches, etc. Bought a LAB putter this year and although I’ve gotten hot a few times with it, still very inconsistent. I used to be a 4 index, I’m all the way to 7.5 and can’t seem to break 80 anymore…..
TLEF316
Footballguy
Driver struggles (understatement) continue to kill my game. I'll occasionally do other dumb crap (REALLY bad yips on long putts lately, which has been fun. Actually considering trying a zero torque Spider when they come out next week) but the driver is just the absolute confidence killer. I'll hit 25 nice free swings on the range no problem. Go the course and its just all tension and trying to guide it out there with bad swing thoughts (leading to ugly unplayable type misses. Snap hooks....tops.....HUGE blocks right when I get stuck, etc.).
Decided to try a little experiment and move to a mid-sized grip (just for the driver). Everything I read says that going to a thicker grip should decrease tension in the hands and make it harder for me to flip them (the HARD low left miss was my original problem...other stuff follows as I get frustrated and/or overcompensate) so I figure this is worth a shot for a month or so. Trying REALLY hard to just slow the swing down, but its tough when you have so many demons kicking around upstairs.
Despite 4 bad tee shots and some yips, I was on track to shoot like an 84-85 with like 4 holes to go last night (in some tough conditions)...which would have been progress. But then I had a REALLY bad 3 putt, blew one drive MILES right (actually made a pretty nice bogey all things considered) and then basically topped one into the **** on 17. (finished with a nice up and down par on 18 to card an honest 89). I keep making just enough mistakes to play bogey golf, which just isn't any fun when I was a 9 index a year ago.
Its 1 step forward, 1 step back. Still grinding and trying to enjoy the walk and the company but there are some dark evenings after the REALLY bad days. On the plus side, I've gotten REALLY good at smashing a recovery 5 or 6 iron out of the long rough after I've snap-topped a driver 65 yards.
Decided to try a little experiment and move to a mid-sized grip (just for the driver). Everything I read says that going to a thicker grip should decrease tension in the hands and make it harder for me to flip them (the HARD low left miss was my original problem...other stuff follows as I get frustrated and/or overcompensate) so I figure this is worth a shot for a month or so. Trying REALLY hard to just slow the swing down, but its tough when you have so many demons kicking around upstairs.
Despite 4 bad tee shots and some yips, I was on track to shoot like an 84-85 with like 4 holes to go last night (in some tough conditions)...which would have been progress. But then I had a REALLY bad 3 putt, blew one drive MILES right (actually made a pretty nice bogey all things considered) and then basically topped one into the **** on 17. (finished with a nice up and down par on 18 to card an honest 89). I keep making just enough mistakes to play bogey golf, which just isn't any fun when I was a 9 index a year ago.
Its 1 step forward, 1 step back. Still grinding and trying to enjoy the walk and the company but there are some dark evenings after the REALLY bad days. On the plus side, I've gotten REALLY good at smashing a recovery 5 or 6 iron out of the long rough after I've snap-topped a driver 65 yards.
MAC_32
Footballguy
I played a course in the outer banks on vacation last week. It was described as a shot makers course. Very short (barely 6k) but lots of forced carries, little room for error, and strategic hazards everywhere. I'll preface the following by saying it was a VERY fun course, and we will be back. I approached the round with intentions on playing smart, then followed through. The results on the 4 holes I chose something other than driver off the tee on the front? +13. But still managed to break 50 anyway. I bagged the idea of playing smart on the back, wailing away with reckless abandon. The result? 40.
I love this game I hate this game.
I love this game I hate this game.
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TLEF316
Footballguy
Question.....just how good would a course have to be in order for you to accept an invite to play with the absolute 100% worst playing partner you know?
Was just over at the range and a guy I just absolutely can't deal with was hitting next to me. Not a BAD guy(I can sit and have a beer with him and he's friendly enough) ....just the most annoying golf playing partner of all time. Just never stops talking...constantly does dumb little etiquette things and says REALLY dumb stuff. He has a spot in a foursome at a top 15ish course in NJ next week and he asked if I had any interest. Without any hesitation I immediately made up an excuse and politely declined.
Apparently I was the 7th person he'd asked who couldn't do it. Wonder why.....
Top 5 course in the state.....I think I probably would have suck it up. But #17 (even though its VERY nice) was a pretty easy no.
Was just over at the range and a guy I just absolutely can't deal with was hitting next to me. Not a BAD guy(I can sit and have a beer with him and he's friendly enough) ....just the most annoying golf playing partner of all time. Just never stops talking...constantly does dumb little etiquette things and says REALLY dumb stuff. He has a spot in a foursome at a top 15ish course in NJ next week and he asked if I had any interest. Without any hesitation I immediately made up an excuse and politely declined.
Apparently I was the 7th person he'd asked who couldn't do it. Wonder why.....
Top 5 course in the state.....I think I probably would have suck it up. But #17 (even though its VERY nice) was a pretty easy no.
The Gator
Footballguy
I don't know man, that's tough
I've been in groups with people who seem like that and as long as you speak up they turtle up and be quiet.
Just had a tourny with a group that a friend warned me about a guy. First tee he's calling out how and where to hit on this hole, telling everyone what to aim for. . I piped one perfect down the fairway, looked at him and said "like that?". Nothing the rest of the round.
My friend who had warned me said, " i can believe he was that quiet out there."
Don't let the bullies win
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