General Malaise
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Athletics 39-31 since July 1. This team is a pitching staff away from being very dangerous.
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General Malaise
Footballguy
Orioles 53-47 since June 1. Man, if they hadn't buried themselves so early. Trevor Rodgers has been a great story. Nice to see him regaining his earlier form.
-fish-
Footballguy
Tanner Scott blew either his 11th or 12th save last night (depending on who's counting), wasting a gem by Ohtani. Dodgers bullpen is just a mess. Arguably in the playoffs they can move Sheehan and Kershaw to the pen, but Dave Roberts is just bad enough at managing pitching that he'll still throw Kirby Yates, Blake Treinen and Tanner Scott in high-leverage situations.
Going to Dodgers at Mariners for the final game of the season on Sunday. Kershaw will be making his last regular season start, and very likely the last start of his career.
Going to Dodgers at Mariners for the final game of the season on Sunday. Kershaw will be making his last regular season start, and very likely the last start of his career.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Nice! Where are you sitting? Edgars?
Its not a reviewable play. I assume because it's a judgement call.
Based on the not overturned catch from the previous game, due to it not being 100% certain that it was a catch, I'm not even sure they would overturn this one. It bounced in fair, then next bounce was in foul territory. Not sure they can definitively say if it was in fair or foul when it crossed the bag. Based on the angles I'm pretty sure it was fair, but I wouldn't say 100%.
-fish-
Footballguy
Right center and bringing a glove to try to catch some Shohei or Raleigh history.
dkp993
Footballguy
Apparently Scott really loved his half season with the Pads, as look like he’s still playing for them.
-fish-
Footballguy
As bad as Scott is, Treinen took the loss in 5 consecutive Dodgers losses. That tied a major league record that's stood since 1912.
This bullpen is literally historically bad.
rockaction
Footballguy
I think I assessed this playoff race in the AL so many times that nobody would listen to me anymore. I told people that Tampa would be somewhere in the neighborhood of a .500 team and that Baltimore was going to get good. I told them it was going to be incredibly difficult to get three AL East teams in the playoffs because of the unbalanced schedule and the way the end of the year schedules shaped up. I was like, look, I watched baseball like it was my religion from when I was 23-38. Fifteen years of the freaking Boston Red Sox every night for three and then what can only be described as three-plus hours every April until usually October. Ugh. I want those years back.
Where did they go?
Damn it. Anyway, I told them every third day that a team from the Central and a team from the West were going to be neck-and-neck with the third AL East team who would likely be us. And then I said that ownership was pretty cheap for a big market club that pulls all of New England and that despite what John Henry swears up and down, he won't pay a stiff luxury tax because he a) doesn't want to and b) has all his money tied up in Fenway Sports Group. So no deadline help.
So what happens? No deadline help. Liverpool, that same summer and out of Fenway Sports Group's assets, pays 400 million dollars for players for Liverpool. An then the ****ing Boston Pravda, I mean, Boston Globe, that John Henry owns, has the ****ing gall to print an article answering nobody (!). I mean, IIRC, the Globe picks a fight with something Bill Simmons said about Fenway Sports Group like years ago. And the paper goes on to say that the Red Sox and Liverpool are unrelated entities that have absolutely nothing to do with each other. And they use the words "conspiracy theory" five times in two paragraphs. I almost smashed my phone. So wait, if Liverpool goes completely broke and somebody sues Liverpool, John Henry, as majority partner or CEO or whatever bus. org. they are won't let that affect how he runs the Red Sox? Really?
Conspiracy Theory? Is this for real? Are you ****ing kidding me? Don't you file all your holdings and assets with the IRS? This hardly sounds either secret or like we're delusional.
Anyway, end rant. I feel bad for my folks. Like, they dig this **** and there aren't too many more for my father. I already miss him.
Shoot.
Peace, fellas. I'm smiling and trying not to be emo or morbid. Enjoy the games.
dkp993
Footballguy
As a lifelong Padre fan I can’t say I’m sad about it. A collapse and the Pads taking the division is our only real shot of not getting bounced in the WC round. We are Dodger bullpen bad on the road this season so home series are what we desperately need.
kupcho1
Footballguy
If your husband's going he can probably catch it barehanded for you.
-fish-
Footballguy
Either of those guys' home run ball would be a franchise record. Either ball will easily be 5 figures. I'll take the glove and the shame.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
The Brewers clinch the top seed in the NL if they win one of their 3 remaining games or the Phillies lose one of their 5 remaining games.
(I probably shouldn't be posting this.)
(I probably shouldn't be posting this.)
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Seriously ****ing awful smh
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Also, apparently Sasaki is going to the pen
Not even close. The Jays didn't have a 15.5 game lead in their division.
Encyclopedia Brown
Footballguy
Nico Hoerner is hunting the NL batting title.
shuke
Black Ice Skeptic
They're not to blame. Reds controlled their destiny and are choking.
kupcho1
Footballguy
Two straight losses to Pittsburgh
Yikes
rockaction
Footballguy
Dudes, a ****ing switch-hitting catcher won the HR Derby and hit 60 bombs.
I'm speechless.
I'm speechless.
rockaction
Footballguy
I've have my face in wincing mode for fifteeen mintutes.
I'm shuked. I'm honestly making bizarre facial expressions and squinting and my mouth is open and I'm breathing and I must look crazy.
I'm just speechless. He caught 119 games. That's not a token effort. He led the league last year wit h 135 games caught.
I need to get a late dinner. This is completely ludicrous. He won a Gold Glove last year.
I'm squinting and wincing again. You can't be serious with this. I need to take a break from my break
Cal Raleigh, AL MVP
I'm shuked. I'm honestly making bizarre facial expressions and squinting and my mouth is open and I'm breathing and I must look crazy.
I'm just speechless. He caught 119 games. That's not a token effort. He led the league last year wit h 135 games caught.
I need to get a late dinner. This is completely ludicrous. He won a Gold Glove last year.
I'm squinting and wincing again. You can't be serious with this. I need to take a break from my break
Cal Raleigh, AL MVP
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-fish-
Footballguy
One game, but if he can pitch like that in the playoffs he and Sheehan could be the solution to late innings. Kershaw was pretty clutch too.
Apparently Roberts wants to pitch Sasaki right back to see how he holds up.
General Malaise
Footballguy
The Big Dumper! Greatest nickname in sports, currently.
rockaction
Footballguy
We were watching him a few moths ago and my nephew called him that and I thought he was screwing around or something, but no, that is his nickname.
I only casually follow baseball now, but I used to be ardent and a diehard about it. I've never sat and looked at a guy's season and found it beyond comprehension like I have with Raleigh's the past day or so. Ohtani and Ruth were and are these almost mythical characters, you know? They're instant living legends. But I can comprehend and wrap my head around their physical nature and what they are doing. They are just something so aberrant, but I get them.
A catcher, who is a gold glove and ****ing (I'm sorry I can't help but curse) platinum glove winner and has led the league in runners caught and has finished third and fourth in runners caught percentage in his short career and all of that stuff. This guy, catching 120 games to lead the league in games caught and then not resting but playing DH on his other days, has 60 HR, 14 SB, 109 R, 125 RBI (I know, team stat) and an OPS+ of 172?????
I mean, you guys follow this fairly closely so you're probably all used to this—or maybe desensitized is a better word for it. Or maybe the position of catcher is devalued like running backs are these days?
Can you all help make sense of this for me?
Given the rigors of the position and the requirements of it and the preparation and cerebral nature of it all can somebody clue me in to why, in my own head, and given the steroidal nature of most of the other otherworldly years I know of and that Judge (is a Yankee, first of all and) plays the outfield . . .
I just can't help but think that Raleigh's year this year, outside of Ohtani and Ruth when Ruth pitched and maybe even with that, the greatest year and feat I've heard of in baseball.
It beggars belief.
My word.
I wrote this thing but I won't put you all through it. I'm just stunned.
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General Malaise
Footballguy
I'm with you, Rock......Big Dumper for MVP.
Eephus
Footballguy
The battle for the last NL Wild Card has been a race to the bottom. It looks like 83 wins will take it.
rockaction
Footballguy
Totally. I know people look at WAR to determine stuff like this, and I always look at it also (neat stat!) but WAR is just a model. It cannot explain everything.
It clearly cannot explain that which is not quantifiable. We know that. Nor can it measure the importance of a catcher compared to an outfielder. You can't do that at all. It's one fallacy after another if you do. Well, maybe not a fallacy. A completely unsound premise or premises. And you don't give MVPs to guys that win unsound inferences or deductions. That's what a fool does. Throw that stat the heck out in this case. (At least I think. I could be wrong because I always think there's potential for me to be wrong and an ***, but my claim or suggestion to toss WAR out is not just a gut feeling or even a distaste for analyzing things statistically.—it's based upon reasoning and it's mostly based on abandoning quantification upon reason's grounds or because of faulty premises for that which the quantification is based upon). Anyway, the way I'd counte-argue isn't to spit tobacco on nerds and yell at them—it's based upon the limits of the rational or faulty applications and extensions of reason to explain things that it can't rightfully explain.
Anyway, sorry about that last paragraph. It is written for cats who would be skeptical of me removing a stat they've hoped to push as the primo stat for at least twenty-five years or so, although I no longer know the current accepted position about what reason can tell us.
General Malaise
Footballguy
What Raleigh did this year is extraordinary. Catchers are not supposed to do what he just did. And he was pretty damn good prior. Best player in the AL this year.
Odds to win the MVP: -200
It's his. Congrats and well earned.
Odds to win the MVP: -200
It's his. Congrats and well earned.
-fish-
Footballguy
I got Raleigh at +1200 for MVP at the all star break.
Depends on how you look at the MVP award. If you look at it as the player with the best overall statistics, it's Judge. If you look at it as the player who had the biggest impact on their team's success, it's Raleigh.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Right. It's Raleigh. For sure. Nice bet!
-fish-
Footballguy
Dodgers should not be celebrating winning the west. They limped into the end of the season and if the Padres hadn't gotten injured and also struggled, they'd be a wild card team.
Act like you've been there before. Have a beer or something, but the whole champagne and beer celebration is stupid.
Act like you've been there before. Have a beer or something, but the whole champagne and beer celebration is stupid.
CletiusMaximus
Footballguy
It seems strange to have NL and AL MVPs. Either that or maybe the NFL and NBA are strange for only having one MVP for the whole league.
-fish-
Footballguy
It made a little more sense when the NL didn't have a DH, but that's just the way it is. Cy Young as well...it was hard to compare AL pitchers and NL pitchers when one was facing a DH and the other wasn't. At this point it's just tradition and inertia.
Snoopy
Footballguy
And there was no interleague play except for the All-Star game and World Series prior to 1998.
dkp993
Footballguy
Padres absolutely fumbled our chance at the division. Dodgers did everything they could to hand it to us this year but we just couldn’t capitalize. So disappointing
ChiefD
Footballguy
looks like this 'ol royals fan will shift gears this fall and root for the beer team since i now pay taxes in sconny and i may as well get a block of some sharp cheddar and a few brats to chow down and watch the crew finally win the world series and if they do i can always raise my hand and say it took a royals fan to change the mojo around here and you can carry that trophy all the way to the bank of the wisconsin river and we can string up a bunch of lines to the flags of that thing but only two because we need to be legal when we catch two walleyes during the fall run and you can take that all the way to bob uecker in heaven brobrewcrew....
General Malaise
Footballguy
I like that 3 of the playoff teams have never won. Be awesome to see one of them break through.
I'll be rooting for the Mariners since they're somewhat local and we had so much fun at their games this summer. I've got a futures' bet on San Diego, but they concern me. Brewers winning it all would make my buddies in here happy and that would make me happy. Win one for Ueker.
I'll be rooting for the Mariners since they're somewhat local and we had so much fun at their games this summer. I've got a futures' bet on San Diego, but they concern me. Brewers winning it all would make my buddies in here happy and that would make me happy. Win one for Ueker.
snellman
Footballguy
As a Twins fan, I will be rooting for the "rival" to the East as well. They are a team with a perfect blueprint with what the Twins to do, but we will see if it happens. Part of me will be rooting for the Phillies because of all of the former Twins players and the Mariners because of former Twins players.
rockaction
Footballguy
I love how you just got to the point. That's awesome. Nicely succinct and still conveyed your assertion. I wrote a damn novel about it yesterday.
rockaction
Footballguy
Man, I did not like this series for the Sox and am a little irritated about something that I'll swallow until it's over, but I really cannot believe they did it.
Astros better lose one, Cleveland two, or the Sox better win tomorrow because we do not want to see Skubal having to win to get in. That is an utter disaster, and would be coupled with one of the most presumptive oversights I've ever seen in baseball.
eta* Interesting strategy to not figure out how to throw Crochet on Tuesday instead of Wednesday. If you needed him Sunday, you were SOL, baby. I get they want five days rest for him now. You probably could have set it with your four days off in Sept. and accomplished that goal. I don't know for sure. Seems like teams used to do it all the time, and MLB did not get that many days off in Sept.
Detroit has managed somehow to work it that way.
I don't know about MGMT in Boston.
Astros better lose one, Cleveland two, or the Sox better win tomorrow because we do not want to see Skubal having to win to get in. That is an utter disaster, and would be coupled with one of the most presumptive oversights I've ever seen in baseball.
eta* Interesting strategy to not figure out how to throw Crochet on Tuesday instead of Wednesday. If you needed him Sunday, you were SOL, baby. I get they want five days rest for him now. You probably could have set it with your four days off in Sept. and accomplished that goal. I don't know for sure. Seems like teams used to do it all the time, and MLB did not get that many days off in Sept.
Detroit has managed somehow to work it that way.
I don't know about MGMT in Boston.
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rockaction
Footballguy
So much for being upset.
Back in the playoffs for the first time in four years.
Nice! Rafaela!
Back in the playoffs for the first time in four years.
Nice! Rafaela!
HellToupee
Footballguy
They’ve arrived a year early. They are going to be a problem in the next few years with all the pitching in the pipeline
rockaction
Footballguy
Nice. I don’t want to be an ingrate or the typical insufferable Boston blowhard but they seem to have treated this year exactly that way. I don’t know. I think I’m really jaded by the corporate conglomerate that runs our show like Wal-Mart for the wealthiest to ever live. Liverpool spent 400 million dollars. In a summer.
And then the majority partner of the venture capital group that owns the Sox, and also the Boston Globe, has a lackey run an article in said Globe accusing people who think that the giant pool of money behind Fenway Sports Group is not really divided among the entities and is not really all considered separate simply because that’s how it’s reported are called “conspiracy theorists.”
Like lol on repeat. And then they use that phrase five times in two paragraphs just to smear anyone who says otherwise and these ******** have frankly nearly defined cynicism in one fell swoop.
rockaction
Footballguy
But nice win! My aging and elderly parents get to see their beloved team in the playoffs and that’s really all I care about: Mom adores these guys and works her *** off to care for Dad and Pops loves this stuff so it’s awesome
Don’t know how many years if any are left so I’m happy for them. Love them and this should be a nice week.
Don’t know how many years if any are left so I’m happy for them. Love them and this should be a nice week.
rockaction
Footballguy
I just ran Judge's and Raleigh's wins above replacement and let ChatGPT normalize the results and compare which player was the most outstanding and unique at his position
Once it was adjusted and normalized, Big Dumper is 3.47 standard deviations away from a normal catcher while Judge is 3.00 std dev away from a normal outfielder
WINNER!
Cal "Big Dumper" Raleigh
Number one in stats and in our hearts!
Once it was adjusted and normalized, Big Dumper is 3.47 standard deviations away from a normal catcher while Judge is 3.00 std dev away from a normal outfielder
WINNER!
Cal "Big Dumper" Raleigh
Number one in stats and in our hearts!
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Snoopy
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