Official 2025 Professional Golf thread - 1 month to British, 3 months to RYDER CUP (1 Viewer)

[BassNBrew]

What's the deal with all the crazy putting? Bryson with a 30 foot long putter. Rose pushing the putter with his right hand.

 

[Zow]

What's the deal with all the crazy putting? Bryson with a 30 foot long putter. Rose pushing the putter with his right hand.

Putting technology and theory has advanced significantly the last few years. Research suggests that putting stats improve when players use equipment that eliminates variation in the stroke and putter face. While this generally does not improve stats from distance, putting stats overall improve inside 20 feet (particularly inside 8 feet) when the putter forces the player to make the same stroke every time. Hence the Bryson arm long monstrosity and the boom of zero torque putters.

In other words, gone are the days of the "touch" putters like the Scotty blades and whatever the heck that thing is that Mickelson putted with. In now are the zero-torque, massive mallet heads, with shafts designed to create robotic strokes and grips such as cross-handed, the arm lock, and the claw which are designed to take the wrists out of play. Out are the blade putters designed for an arc stroke and the traditional touch putting stroke.

Golf purists may be crying because putting was previously viewed as an art form, but like the defensive shift in baseball or the move to nothing but three point shots and layups in the NBA, statistical analysis has prevailed over beauty.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

What's the deal with all the crazy putting? Bryson with a 30 foot long putter. Rose pushing the putter with his right hand.

I like the claw grip.

 

[BassNBrew]

What's the deal with all the crazy putting? Bryson with a 30 foot long putter. Rose pushing the putter with his right hand.

Putting technology and theory has advanced significantly the last few years. Research suggests that putting stats improve when players use equipment that eliminates variation in the stroke and putter face. While this generally does not improve stats from distance, putting stats overall improve inside 20 feet (particularly inside 8 feet) when the putter forces the player to make the same stroke every time. Hence the Bryson arm long monstrosity and the boom of zero torque putters.

In other words, gone are the days of the "touch" putters like the Scotty blades and whatever the heck that thing is that Mickelson putted with. In now are the zero-torque, massive mallet heads, with shafts designed to create robotic strokes and grips such as cross-handed, the arm lock, and the claw which are designed to take the wrists out of play. Out are the blade putters designed for an arc stroke and the traditional touch putting stroke.

Golf purists may be crying because putting was previously viewed as an art form, but like the defensive shift in baseball or the move to nothing but three point shots and layups in the NBA, statistical analysis has prevailed over beauty.

I'm still rocking an original Teardrop

History’s Mysteries: The Strange Story of TearDrop Putters

Talk about a long, strange trip.

mygolfspy.com

 

[SWC]

What's the deal with all the crazy putting? Bryson with a 30 foot long putter. Rose pushing the putter with his right hand.

Putting technology and theory has advanced significantly the last few years. Research suggests that putting stats improve when players use equipment that eliminates variation in the stroke and putter face. While this generally does not improve stats from distance, putting stats overall improve inside 20 feet (particularly inside 8 feet) when the putter forces the player to make the same stroke every time. Hence the Bryson arm long monstrosity and the boom of zero torque putters.

In other words, gone are the days of the "touch" putters like the Scotty blades and whatever the heck that thing is that Mickelson putted with. In now are the zero-torque, massive mallet heads, with shafts designed to create robotic strokes and grips such as cross-handed, the arm lock, and the claw which are designed to take the wrists out of play. Out are the blade putters designed for an arc stroke and the traditional touch putting stroke.

Golf purists may be crying because putting was previously viewed as an art form, but like the defensive shift in baseball or the move to nothing but three point shots and layups in the NBA, statistical analysis has prevailed over beauty.

I'm still rocking an original Teardrop

History’s Mysteries: The Strange Story of TearDrop Putters

Talk about a long, strange trip.

mygolfspy.com

man i just fell down that hole and read the entire thing that was pretty interesting except for the huffy part banana seats have no place in golf take that to the bank bromigos

 

[Instinctive]

Sheffler - one of the quietest "man he finished in the top five AGAIN" ever?

 

[Zow]

Sheffler - one of the quietest "man he finished in the top five AGAIN" ever?

Honestly, just goes to show how good he is. He had a "bad week" at his job and is still one of the five best in the world at what he does.

 

[belljr]

Plenty of people still play blades / arc swing.

It's just not the blade you may be familiar with

Morikawa
Spieth uses a Scotty

They setup blade putters with different weight balances based on swing arc

 

[WDIK2]

Will be at the RBC on Friday. Pretty pumped. Have tickets to Doc's BBQ tent on the 15th green. Of the 6 of us going, I am by far the most into PGA tour golf. I told the others to do whatever they want and not worry about me.

Was at a Nike tour even 25+ years ago, but this will be my first PGA tour event.

 

[Instinctive]

Wesley Bryan appears to be indefinitely suspended for playing in a YouTube scramble event that LIV players were also part of.

 

[Zow]

Wesley Bryan appears to be indefinitely suspended for playing in a YouTube scramble event that LIV players were also part of.

I’m reading it was a LIV event. That seems distinguishable and I’d side with the PGA if accurate.

 

[Judge Smails]

Anybody watch that Western Intercollegiate golf tourney? I'm jonesing to play Pasatiempo! That kid from Arizona lit it up, shooting -13. 3 rounds in the 60's, winning it back to back. What a magnificent looking course and the green undulations almost make Augusta National look tame. Alister MacKenzie was a genius.

 

[Instinctive]

Wesley Bryan appears to be indefinitely suspended for playing in a YouTube scramble event that LIV players were also part of.

I’m reading it was a LIV event. That seems distinguishable and I’d side with the PGA if accurate.

Looks like it was Grant Horvats YouTube channel, and LIV agreed to provide six pros for six YouTubers to play against.

Idk. Seems fairly unreasonable to me. He didn't go play at a LIV tournament or join their tour.

The whole thing is idiotic still.

 

[belljr]

Never heard of him

 

[Zow]

Wesley Bryan appears to be indefinitely suspended for playing in a YouTube scramble event that LIV players were also part of.

I’m reading it was a LIV event. That seems distinguishable and I’d side with the PGA if accurate.

Looks like it was Grant Horvats YouTube channel, and LIV agreed to provide six pros for six YouTubers to play against.

Idk. Seems fairly unreasonable to me. He didn't go play at a LIV tournament or join their tour.

The whole thing is idiotic still.

It’s weird, I’m reading conflicting reports. I can say that Charlie Beljan is railing against the PGA for this. If this wasn’t a LIV event, then I’d agree that he shouldn’t be suspended.

 

[the moops]

The whole thing is idiotic still.

This is very much true. PGA acting like a bunch of whiny twats

 

[Instinctive]

Wesley Bryan appears to be indefinitely suspended for playing in a YouTube scramble event that LIV players were also part of.

I’m reading it was a LIV event. That seems distinguishable and I’d side with the PGA if accurate.

Looks like it was Grant Horvats YouTube channel, and LIV agreed to provide six pros for six YouTubers to play against.

Idk. Seems fairly unreasonable to me. He didn't go play at a LIV tournament or join their tour.

The whole thing is idiotic still.

It’s weird, I’m reading conflicting reports. I can say that Charlie Beljan is railing against the PGA for this. If this wasn’t a LIV event, then I’d agree that he shouldn’t be suspended.

You can find it. It's literally on Grant Horvats YouTube channel and he seems to be the organizer of it all

The whole thing is stupid to begin with. It's golf. Just have a way to qualify and if you go play somewhere else too then I guess you're risking the points you need to keep a tour card. Oh well. The whole thing is idiotic. If you can be good enough to keep a card and do other stuff sometimes more power to you.

 

[SWC]

days after the masters and i am still reveling in blood money bison deshambo falling apart best masters ever take that to the bank brohans

 

[Zow]

Wesley Bryan appears to be indefinitely suspended for playing in a YouTube scramble event that LIV players were also part of.

I’m reading it was a LIV event. That seems distinguishable and I’d side with the PGA if accurate.

Looks like it was Grant Horvats YouTube channel, and LIV agreed to provide six pros for six YouTubers to play against.

Idk. Seems fairly unreasonable to me. He didn't go play at a LIV tournament or join their tour.

The whole thing is idiotic still.

It’s weird, I’m reading conflicting reports. I can say that Charlie Beljan is railing against the PGA for this. If this wasn’t a LIV event, then I’d agree that he shouldn’t be suspended.

You can find it. It's literally on Grant Horvats YouTube channel and he seems to be the organizer of it all

The whole thing is stupid to begin with. It's golf. Just have a way to qualify and if you go play somewhere else too then I guess you're risking the points you need to keep a tour card. Oh well. The whole thing is idiotic. If you can be good enough to keep a card and do other stuff sometimes more power to you.

Assuming arguendo the bold is true, then I completely agree with you then. The first article I read on this must have been biased to the PGA because the article asserted that it was a LIV event.

 

[gump]

Wesley Bryan appears to be indefinitely suspended for playing in a YouTube scramble event that LIV players were also part of.

I’m reading it was a LIV event. That seems distinguishable and I’d side with the PGA if accurate.

Looks like it was Grant Horvats YouTube channel, and LIV agreed to provide six pros for six YouTubers to play against.

Idk. Seems fairly unreasonable to me. He didn't go play at a LIV tournament or join their tour.

The whole thing is idiotic still.

It’s weird, I’m reading conflicting reports. I can say that Charlie Beljan is railing against the PGA for this. If this wasn’t a LIV event, then I’d agree that he shouldn’t be suspended.

You can find it. It's literally on Grant Horvats YouTube channel and he seems to be the organizer of it all

The whole thing is stupid to begin with. It's golf. Just have a way to qualify and if you go play somewhere else too then I guess you're risking the points you need to keep a tour card. Oh well. The whole thing is idiotic. If you can be good enough to keep a card and do other stuff sometimes more power to you.

Assuming arguendo the bold is true, then I completely agree with you then. The first article I read on this must have been biased to the PGA because the article asserted that it was a LIV event.

Scottie/Rory just played vs Bryson/Brooks in a 3rd party event...how does that make sense unless this one was a LIV event?

 

[Instinctive]

Wesley Bryan appears to be indefinitely suspended for playing in a YouTube scramble event that LIV players were also part of.

I’m reading it was a LIV event. That seems distinguishable and I’d side with the PGA if accurate.

Looks like it was Grant Horvats YouTube channel, and LIV agreed to provide six pros for six YouTubers to play against.

Idk. Seems fairly unreasonable to me. He didn't go play at a LIV tournament or join their tour.

The whole thing is idiotic still.

It’s weird, I’m reading conflicting reports. I can say that Charlie Beljan is railing against the PGA for this. If this wasn’t a LIV event, then I’d agree that he shouldn’t be suspended.

You can find it. It's literally on Grant Horvats YouTube channel and he seems to be the organizer of it all

The whole thing is stupid to begin with. It's golf. Just have a way to qualify and if you go play somewhere else too then I guess you're risking the points you need to keep a tour card. Oh well. The whole thing is idiotic. If you can be good enough to keep a card and do other stuff sometimes more power to you.

Assuming arguendo the bold is true, then I completely agree with you then. The first article I read on this must have been biased to the PGA because the article asserted that it was a LIV event.

Scottie/Rory just played vs Bryson/Brooks in a 3rd party event...how does that make sense unless this one was a LIV event?

I think LIV sponsored Horvat's idea. They got publicity and provided golfers. It seems pretty grey and the PGA woke up and chose violence lol.

 

[Instinctive]

Here is the link to Horvat. Thumbnail doesn't even say LIV. https://www.youtube.com/@GrantHorvatGolfs/videos

It's a video for "The Duels" Miami. He titled it "The $250,000 YouTube Golf Tournament"

 

[CGRdrJoe]

JT may be the story for his low round today but Gary Woodland is once again in the hunt. A GW win would be huge, for me personally bigger than Rory winning the masters

 

[The Gator]

JT may be the story for his low round today but Gary Woodland is once again in the hunt. A GW win would be huge, for me personally bigger than Rory winning the masters

Woodland the guy with the brain tumor? Think i just watched that Full Swing episode last night

 

[The Gator]

Also JT in that episode with Woodland giving him a heads up that he's micd up: "I hate kids"

 

[CGRdrJoe]

JT may be the story for his low round today but Gary Woodland is once again in the hunt. A GW win would be huge, for me personally bigger than Rory winning the masters

Woodland the guy with the brain tumor? Think i just watched that Full Swing episode last night

yeah

 

[gump]

How many course records does JT now hold/share? That’s 2 in the last 5 weeks.

 

[WDIK2]

Fowler justmade the whole trip worth it. Holed out on 15 right in front of us. Too freakin cool.

 

[gump]

In. Would love to see JT get an early season win.

 

[Instinctive]

Weird waste area ball did it oscillate or did it move thing yesterday

 

[CGRdrJoe]

ugh, was hoping for Novak to pull that off

 

[gump]

When Scottie and Xander get going…this Ryder Cup is going to be pretty good.

 

[gump]

Players who’ve won 16 times on Tour w multiple Majors by the age of 32:

Palmer, Nicklaus, Miller, Watson, Woods, McIlroy, Thomas

 

[Zow]

Oh Joel Dahmen... really wanted him to get a win there.

 

[WDIK2]

A few observations from my first PGA tour event:

These guys are really good. We spent the first few hours sitting behind the par 5 15th green. Many of the first players through laid up to between 95 and 125 yards from the green. They could throw absolute darts from there with the Friday pin placement. Being outside of 15 feet was an average shot compared to the rest.

If you think these guys play slow on TV, it's even worse is person. Wyndham Clark took an excruciatingly long time to hit his third from 108 yards into 15. The crowd was starting to get restless. Then he stuffed it to within about 2 feet and the crowd was like, "ok, we get it now."

In person, these guys look a lot smaller, skinny/athletic than they do on TV. The camera adds 10 pounds and all that. Zalatoris could hide behind his putter. Finau is an absolute unit compared to most of the other guys. I knew he was short, but I always thought Brian Harman was built a little stockier. He is also skinny and has learned to play a little quicker.

I know they hit 100s of shots with the crowd around, but I do not like standing 20 feet to the right of these guys when they are hitting driver. Spieth's tee came right at us and a bunch of us ducked. The best angle is from directly behind. Amazing to see the ball flight from that angle.

I was in a group of 6 people and worried about how much the rest of them would enjoy it. They all had a blast and want to go again nest year. I can't find video of Fowler's hole-out on 15 for birdie, but that helped get things started. Everyone wanted to watch the highlights for the remaining days, and we made sure to get back to my sister's place to watch the finish on Sunday.

I would give Doc's BBQ on 15 at the RBC a 10/10. $325 per ticket, but included free drinks, great food, and great seats. We spent a few hours there, then followed a couple groups, came back to Doc's to see those players come in, then followed them to 18.

I would highly recommend a PGA/LIV/LPGA/Korn Ferry event if one is in your area. Pretty amazing to see how good they are.

 

[BassNBrew]

Watching more youtube gold than pro golf.

Josh Allen / Rahn vs. Horvat and Phil

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Josh changes Phil's range finder from yards to meters.

Phil hit's it into a bush and the ball bounces out. Josh - "We all came out of a bush"

What a golf player not only hanging with these guys, but excelling.

 

[gump]

The PGA Pro Champ is going to be a wild ending it appears, in the windy and tough conditions at PGA Village…where the top 20 go to Quail Hollow and the PGA Champ in 2 weeks. My boy John Somers has been charging for 2 days and is trying to make his 3rd straight PGA Champ.

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www.pga.com

 

[Zeppelin]

Scheffler is on another planet this week.

 

[WDIK2]

Entry 1
Scottie Scheffler Salary: $11,900
Justin Thomas Salary: $8,900
Tommy Fleetwood Salary: $7,900
Hideki Matsuyama Salary: $7,800
Aaron Rai Salary: $6,800
Andrew Novak Salary: $6,700

Entry 2
Rory McIlroy Salary: $11,700
Justin Thomas Salary: $8,900
Viktor Hovland Salary: $7,700
Sepp Straka Salary: $7,400
Daniel Berger Salary: $7,100
Justin Rose Salary: $7,000

Pretty high on Thomas. Tried to work out a way to get Scheffler, McIlroy, and Thomas into an entry but that would leave an average of $5333 for each of the additional 3 players. The lowest priced no-name PGA professionals that qualified are $5900.

 

[gump]

I'm trying to avoid Rory (fatigue) and Scottie if possible...but may take Scottie straight up as a safety net, along with Bryson. Also Ludvig with that driver is tempting at his odds.

Tiered Pool: Bryson / Cantlay / Berger / Mitchell / Pendrith / Hughes (home course)

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I'm trying to avoid Rory (fatigue) and Scottie if possible...but may take Scottie straight up as a safety net, along with Bryson. Also Ludvig with that driver is tempting at his odds.

Tiered Pool: Bryson / Cantlay / Berger / Mitchell / Pendrith / Hughes (home course)

Are you talking mental fatigue? Cause I feel like the opposite here, now that the pressure of not winning a major in 11 years is gone plus the grand slam is accomplished I feel like he could go on one helluva major run. I'm a Rory hater, can't stand how he is always flip flopping his stances on golf issues but I've been betting him lately and feeling good about it.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

decided that I had $100 burning a hole in my pocket Scottie wins I win 5 bucks, the others win and it's somewhere between sizzler and house of prime rib.
$45 on Rory at +450
$20 on Scottie at +500
$10: JT +1800, Aberg +2500 and Spieth +5000 (maybe it's a grand slam kind of year)

 

[gump]

I'm trying to avoid Rory (fatigue) and Scottie if possible...but may take Scottie straight up as a safety net, along with Bryson. Also Ludvig with that driver is tempting at his odds.

Tiered Pool: Bryson / Cantlay / Berger / Mitchell / Pendrith / Hughes (home course)

Are you talking mental fatigue? Cause I feel like the opposite here, now that the pressure of not winning a major in 11 years is gone plus the grand slam is accomplished I feel like he could go on one helluva major run.

I'm a Rory lover and predicted a monster year...but yes, Mental/Physical...his driver was not good last week. I think it'll take it a few weeks to get to the point that he's ready to win again.

 

[CGRdrJoe]

I'm trying to avoid Rory (fatigue) and Scottie if possible...but may take Scottie straight up as a safety net, along with Bryson. Also Ludvig with that driver is tempting at his odds.

Tiered Pool: Bryson / Cantlay / Berger / Mitchell / Pendrith / Hughes (home course)

Are you talking mental fatigue? Cause I feel like the opposite here, now that the pressure of not winning a major in 11 years is gone plus the grand slam is accomplished I feel like he could go on one helluva major run.

I'm a Rory lover and predicted a monster year...but yes, Mental/Physical...his driver was not good last week. I think it'll take it a few weeks to get to the point that he's ready to win again.

Fair enough, I just think that with him only playing in 8 pga tour events this season (least starts compared to his peers), winning over $13 million so far and still finishing T7 last week without his best stuff that when you put him on a course that he has won 4 times on and lost in a playoff once that +450 is almost a steal.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I guess I would say Quail Hollow is like a Kardashian,” the six-time PGA Tour winner told Gabby Herzig of “The Athletic.” “It’s very modern, beautiful and well-kept. But it lacks a soul or character

Hunter Mahan

 

[Instinctive]

It is weird to hold majors at courses they regularly play already

 

[gump]

I'm trying to avoid Rory (fatigue) and Scottie if possible...but may take Scottie straight up as a safety net, along with Bryson. Also Ludvig with that driver is tempting at his odds.

Tiered Pool: Bryson / Cantlay / Berger / Mitchell / Pendrith / Hughes (home course)

Are you talking mental fatigue? Cause I feel like the opposite here, now that the pressure of not winning a major in 11 years is gone plus the grand slam is accomplished I feel like he could go on one helluva major run.

I'm a Rory lover and predicted a monster year...but yes, Mental/Physical...his driver was not good last week. I think it'll take it a few weeks to get to the point that he's ready to win again.

Fair enough, I just think that with him only playing in 8 pga tour events this season (least starts compared to his peers), winning over $13 million so far and still finishing T7 last week without his best stuff that when you put him on a course that he has won 4 times on and lost in a playoff once that +450 is almost a steal.

I ended up putting 2 units him +105 for Top 5….along with others to win.

 

[Zow]

It is weird to hold majors at courses they regularly play already

I think the issue is that the venue options that are tour-quality conditions, tour length, and can welcome tens of thousands of patrons are very limited. There just aren't many courses that can check all three boxes.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

It is weird to hold majors at courses they regularly play already

I think the issue is that the venue options that are tour-quality conditions, tour length, and can welcome tens of thousands of patrons are very limited. There just aren't many courses that can check all three boxes.

And that's what Quail Hollow did - formed it for fans/media

 

[gump]

With Rory and Xander...Scottie doubles #16 and has the tee on #17 . This finish is going to be brutal all weekend.