*Official* 6th pick thread (1 Viewer)

[gump]

Would like to discuss the 6th pick specifically, and I'm in a 10-teamer, but could also be used to discuss strategy for any MIDDLE picks. Obviously being in the middle, position flexibility is good...since you can avoid huge position runs for the most part. But a few questions I have:

1) Are there any position sweet spots forming? Seems to be some good value falling at RB in the 4th and 5th with guys like Bradshaw, Best, and Grant. Some good WR value seems to be available in the 5th, 6th and 7th with guys like Holmes, Boldin, and Collie.

2) Any early position strategies forming that are working well in mocks? It seems we'll likely miss out on the top 5 RBs....has starting with QB, RB, or WR worked better for anyone?

Looking at ADP, we'll likely be picking from these options:

1.06 - VIck, Rodgers, AJohnson, White, Mendenhall, McCoy, McFadden

2.05 - Fitz, Nicks, Jennings, MJD, SJax, Turner

3.06 - Brees, Manning, Wallace, VJax, DJax, Austin, Forte, Hillis

4.05 - Rivers, Romo, Tampa Mike, Bowe, Marshall, Bradshaw, Best, Grant, Blount

5.06 - Romo, Colston, Dez, Maclin, Best, Moreno, Deangelo, Benson

6.05 - Shaub, BenR, Ryan, Holmes, Lloyd, Harvin, DThomas, FJax, Benson

My mocks seem to point to waiting on WR this year....starting either QB-RB-RB or RB-RB-QB have been my best. Thoughts?

 

[Saint]

I'm loving the 6th spot this year. Depending on your scoring rules, it could dictate where to draft, but from my perspective, I see this is the year to go late on QB from the 6th spot. I am targeting 6th round for QB with either a Matt Ryan, Tony Romo, or Matt Schaub. In rounds 1-5 I am thinking RB-RB-WR-WR-WR... so using your analysis below you could have a team like this for non-PPR:

Matt Ryan or Matt Schaub

(1) Mendenhall,(2) Turner

(3) V Jax, (4) Williams, (5) Colston or Bryant

or for PPR, you could go WR-RB-WR-RB-WR

Matt Ryan or Matt Schaub

(2) MJD, (4) Bradshaw or Best

(1) A Johnson, (3) VJax, (5) Colston or Bryant

Just a great spot this year!

 

[Binky The Doormat]

Would like to discuss the 6th pick specifically, and I'm in a 10-teamer, but could also be used to discuss strategy for any MIDDLE picks. Obviously being in the middle, position flexibility is good...since you can avoid huge position runs for the most part. But a few questions I have:1) Are there any position sweet spots forming? Seems to be some good value falling at RB in the 4th and 5th with guys like Bradshaw, Best, and Grant. Some good WR value seems to be available in the 5th, 6th and 7th with guys like Holmes, Boldin, and Collie.2) Any early position strategies forming that are working well in mocks? It seems we'll likely miss out on the top 5 RBs....has starting with QB, RB, or WR worked better for anyone?Looking at ADP, we'll likely be picking from these options:1.06 - VIck, Rodgers, AJohnson, White, Mendenhall, McCoy, McFadden2.05 - Fitz, Nicks, Jennings, MJD, SJax, Turner3.06 - Brees, Manning, Wallace, VJax, DJax, Austin, Forte, Hillis4.05 - Rivers, Romo, Tampa Mike, Bowe, Marshall, Bradshaw, Best, Grant, Blount5.06 - Romo, Colston, Dez, Maclin, Best, Moreno, Deangelo, Benson6.05 - Shaub, BenR, Ryan, Holmes, Lloyd, Harvin, DThomas, FJax, BensonMy mocks seem to point to waiting on WR this year....starting either QB-RB-RB or RB-RB-QB have been my best. Thoughts?

Gump I am drafting out of the 7th spot - the 2 RB deal minimum seems appropriate to me ...we will have to keep in touch

 

[strifetoe]

Purely mock drafts only here - but I have liked the 6th pick. I've tried starting with Vick or Rodgers from the first and I keep feeling like I'm left hurting in the overall makeup later.. What has been working for me is taking the most valuable RB available at 1.06 and then hitting 2-3 straight WRs on route to drafting either Ingram, Grant, Benson, or Lynch. How long I've waited has depended on the draft of course. After that 2nd RB I usually target a Romo/Ryan/Roethlisburger/EManning tier QB. TE is not something I've been concerned with landing a "prominent" player based on my league's rules.

Been pretty happy with these teams.

 

[gump]

What has been working for me is taking the most valuable RB available at 1.06 and then hitting 2-3 straight WRs on route to drafting either Ingram, Grant, Benson, or Lynch.

I've been toying with this...the one issue I have is I seem to be chasing runs. Taking Mendy/McCoy/DMac at #6 after the Top 5 RB....then Ftiz/VJax after the top 4 WR are gone in the second....I seem to be starting slower than going AJ-Dmac/SJax/etc.

 

[gump]

What has been working for me is taking the most valuable RB available at 1.06 and then hitting 2-3 straight WRs on route to drafting either Ingram, Grant, Benson, or Lynch.

I've been toying with this...the one issue I have is I seem to be chasing runs. Taking Mendy/McCoy/DMac at #6 after the Top 5 RB....then Ftiz/VJax after the top 4 WR are gone in the second....I seem to be starting slower than going AJ-Dmac/SJax/etc.

I'll add though to both timestamp and Saint's point...it seems to work well to wait on QB either way.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

I have the 6th pick in a 12 team redraft money league. I definitely plan on waiting for a QB until the 6th round. Romo may not be there but Roeth,Schaub,Ryan& Eli should be.If Vernon Davis is available for me in the 6th, good chance he's not though, I'd wait until the 7th for a QB. QB touchdowns are 4 pts. per TD so no need to get one early. It's a graduated PPR league in that RB's get.4pts,WR's .7pts and TE's 1.0pts for receptions. Just because the TE's get a full point I don't think that's a case to jump on one early either unless a top 3 fall to me in the 5th. I'm definitely looking to get 2 RB's & 2 WR's by 4 and probably 3WR's or top TE by round 5. I think with the 6th pick in either 10 or 12 teaqms it gives you a lot of flexibility with your picks. Now if I just don't screw it up I'll be ok.

 

[Grahamburn]

I really like starting with Mendenhall from the 6 spot. I posted in his spotlight thread that I could see him being the #1 RB overall because of Pittsburgh's schedule. He's looking at a 1,600+ total yard, 15+ TD season in my opinion.

The second round pick looks like gravy. If Larry Fitzgerald is there take him. He's the last of the elite tier of WRs. I like Nicks, but two matchups against Nnamdi, and a week 16 matchup against Revis isn't what I'm looking for in my second round pick. I'd rather take Manningham several rounds later. If Fitz is gone take the best RB available. One of MJD, Gore, SJAX, or Turner will fall here.

That's a real nice start. Manning looks like he could possibly fall to the 3rd. That's a steal if your league is 6 points per pass TD. A RB/RB/Manning start might be around 60 TDs from your first 3 picks if I'm right on Mendenhall and the 2nd round RB stays healthy.

If I went this route I'd go best WR available with my next two picks (Marshall or Mike Williams in the 4th and Lloyd in the 5th), solid RB in the 6th (Lynch or Benson), bpa from then on out, and try to snag Winslow a little higher than his ADP as my TE.

That's a nasty looking team if the chips fall that way.

 

[gump]

I think with the 6th pick in either 10 or 12 teaqms it gives you a lot of flexibility with your picks.

Agree on the flexibility...which is another reason I don't like taking QB first.I've seen Brees, Manning, Rivers, and Romo all fall below my ranking for them in various mocks. If I take a QB at #1, I can't take advantage of that later.I think knowing your league tendancies is important here....if your leaguemates love QBs, then maybe it makes more sense to go with one early.

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

The other good thing about having the 6th pick in this league is it's a slow draft. 8 hr.clock(off 12am-8am). That gives you plenty of time to research guys and you're not forced into a pick you're not sure of because of having 90 seconds to pick.

The other point made about taking Manning's a good one if all TD's are 6 pts. If QB's get 6 pts a td then yes it's worth considering them if you get one of the top 5 or 6 guys who'll you'll be sure can get you at least 26 td's.

If these other guys in the league are enamored with taking QB's early I'll let them and I'll load up on RB's & WR's and still get a decent QB in the 6th or 7th. At 4pts. per td for QB's in our league I can afford to wait on one.

 

[gump]

The other good thing about having the 6th pick in this league is it's a slow draft. 8 hr.clock(off 12am-8am). That gives you plenty of time to research guys and you're not forced into a pick you're not sure of because of having 90 seconds to pick. The other point made about taking Manning's a good one if all TD's are 6 pts. If QB's get 6 pts a td then yes it's worth considering them if you get one of the top 5 or 6 guys who'll you'll be sure can get you at least 26 td's.If these other guys in the league are enamored with taking QB's early I'll let them and I'll load up on RB's & WR's and still get a decent QB in the 6th or 7th. At 4pts. per td for QB's in our league I can afford to wait on one.

Knowing your league is key. I think, due to this site, I pick up better depth every year in later rounds at RB and WR than other teams. That makes me a lean a little more toward trying to get a top 5-6...but this year it looks like they can be had in the 3-4-5 rounds too.Looking at our last few drafts....looks like 4 normally go quickly, then 5-6 can be had in the late 3rd on.

 

[GCP]

I'm taking Vick at 6 for a few reasons.

My league is 12 teams with a 3rd round reversal snake. Meaning I pick 6, 18, and 31 first three rounds. We are a non-PPR league that scores 4 for a TD pass.

First and foremost, I believe in Vick's ability and maturity. His stat lines last year were ridiculous but I watched many of the games and there was nothing fluky about it. He's surrounded with big play talent and he's making the right decisions out there most of the time. It's video game football and it's fun to watch. So I'm a Vick believer. I think he's the clear favorite to be QB1.

The way I look at it, Vick, A-Rod, and Brady figure to be gone by 18. At 18, I feel like it's important to get either one of the top 14 RBs, after which I feel there's a dropoff, or one of the very elite three WRs (White, Calvin, Andre). These players outrank the other 18-20 ppg QBs (Rivers, Manning, Brees) in value, in my opinion. The problem, then, is there's a decent chance (maybe 60%) that all 6 of the top QBs will be gone by 31, leaving me to reach on Romo or playing the waiting game on a Schaub or Big Ben type, also leaving open the possibility that I get the shaft entirely with a Josh Freeman or Matt Ryan as my starting fantasy QB.

Furthermore, Lesean McCoy is a nice player and clearly RB6 in my eyes, but honestly, if you told me Matt Forte or Peyton Hillis outscored him this coming season, I wouldn't be at all surprised. After Ray Rice at RB5, the next 9 guys are close in my opinion. I would simply grab whoever slipped through to 18. From there, I could go WR/WR in rounds 3 and 4 and be fine there, then stockpile lotto tickets in rounds 5-7 at RB. RB is deep this year, and no, those guys are far from sure things, but if you have a bunch of cracks at it, your odds go up something will stick.

In the meantime, Mike Vick may score more fantasy points than anyone in the history of the game this season. It's distinctly possible. Are you sure you want to pass him up for a guy like McCoy that's a long shot to score 10td?

 

[Grahamburn]

Drafted last night in my .5 PPR with a FLEX:

Rashard Mendenhall

Steven Jackson

Mike Williams

DeAngelo Williams

Brandon Lloyd

Mario Manningham

Matt Ryan

Jimmy Graham

Reggie Bush

Rob Gronkowski

Devin Hester

Jay Cutler

Lee Evans

Donald Brown

Chicago D

Mason Crosby

Pretty happy overall. I was hoping for Larry Fitzgerald in the second round. Steven Jackson was a nice consolation prize though, and I'm stoked to have DeAngelo as my RB3. If Kyle Orton is the QB all season in Denver I'm loving Lloyd as well. Word from camp in Denver is that last season was no fluke for him. Peyton Manning went one pick before me in the 3rd. I'm high on Mike Williams so I don't mind taking him there, but WR7 is probably high for most people. Reggie Wayne and Greg Jennings were actually still on the board. Manningham as my WR3 is nice as well. Like most of the posters in his spotlight thread I'm expecting big things again as he's now entrenched as the WR2 in NY and will face the lesser coverage with Nicks on the other side.

Really happy with my decision to wait on QB and TE. There's so much value at those positions in the later rounds it's almost not worth it to take one of the "elite" players early when RBs and WRs continue to fall.

 

[One]

Picked 6th in 14 Team PPR last night.

McCoy

Nicks

Peyton Manning

Lloyd

Harvin

Lynch

Hightower

Ronnie Brown

Orton

Delone Carter

Philly D

Skins D

Crabtree

Need help on WR depth. Hoping my RB2 pans out, but it was great having that middle-ish 6th pick.

 

[gump]

So other than GCP, looks like Best RB Available is the trend.

VBD tells me to do the same....just hate feeling like I'm chasing the top 5 guys at that position. But I have 5 WR in my first tier....I guess getting one of those in the 2nd gives me a leg up at that position.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

So other than GCP, looks like Best RB Available is the trend.VBD tells me to do the same....just hate feeling like I'm chasing the top 5 guys at that position. But I have 5 WR in my first tier....I guess getting one of those in the 2nd gives me a leg up at that position.

Geez how big is your first tier - given VDB you are likely to have 23-24 in the first if you are mushing it up that way. RB14 pretty much equals WR 7-15

 

[East Coast Bias]

I got Chris Johnson in the 6th spot tonight followed by Mendenhall.

 

[RalphMouth]

I suppose drafting Vick at the 6th overall spot would be very risky and would put your team in chase mode trying to catch up in the RB and WR positions.

Anybody try it? What do mocks look like when Vick is taken at #6 ?

 

[Robo35]

I'm in the same boat just drew the 6th spot in a ppr 2 start qb league 6pt tds! i think with this format if vick is there i have to go with him right? also we start 2 rb and 4 wr crazy league!

 

[RalphMouth]

well ...just did a Mock where I took Vick at 6th overall-

would you be happy with this team? I think it turned out better than I thought it would. I don't have a true #1 WR but all could be considered #2s.

1) Vick

2) Forte

3) Hillis

4) Santonio Holmes

5) Mario Manningham

6) Austin Collie

7) Marshawn Lynch

8) Marcedes Lewis

9) Jacoby Ford

10) NY Jets Defense

11) Joe Flacco

12) Willis McGahee

13) Nate Burleson

14) Marion Barber

15) Neil Rackers

 

[RalphMouth]

I'm in the same boat just drew the 6th spot in a ppr 2 start qb league 6pt tds! i think with this format if vick is there i have to go with him right? also we start 2 rb and 4 wr crazy league!

wow ..a 4 WR leagueto me I really think that screams "draft a WR at #6" as long as it's either Johnson (Andre or Calvin)doh.... just did a re-read.... If this is a 2 QB league I wonder if Vick is even there at 6..

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

will add this fyi (real draft):

12 team

start 1QB/2RB/3WR/1TE/1K/1DST (no flex)

5 pt TD pass, 6 pt TD rush/rec.

1 pt. 20 yd pass, 10 yd rush/rec.

0.5 PPR RB, 1 PPR WR/TE

my picks thru 8 went:

Charles

McFadden

Welker

Marshall

S.Johnson

V.Davis

Lynch

Freeman

hopefully you may find it useful. without flex and requiring 2RB/3WR i found that the RBs were sliding quite farther and WRs were creeping up in ADP, which makes sense given the lack of flex and PPR structure.

 

[Ariakis]

So far I have the 6 pick in a 3RR coming up next week and it's a PPR with 3WR, 2RB, and a UTIL. The league is WR happy for good reason and QB's slide with only 4 per passing TD.

I am planning on taking AJ unless one of the big 5 RB's slides or unless values change by the draft forcing me to pass on CJ or jump on McCoy, etc. For Round 2 if Vick/Rodgers is there I'll probably take one if not I'd wait for round 5. The 6 spot is great because if someone does take Vick or AJ then one of the elite RB's drops and I get the higher 2nd and 3rd round pick out of the deal.

That puts the 2nd spot as the last of the 2nd tier WR's if Fitz drops else by default a solid RB like Gore or Mendenhall should be there. The question becomes if the WR run that has always happened does play out and Fitz is gone ... do I take the 1st WR from the next tier (VJax, Austin, Wallace, etc) or not.

Given the nature of this format I could actually go WR, WR, WR, TE, QB and feel OK about my RB's and based on the Draft Dominator project as the top team given the depth at RB ... and if I find a breakout RB I'm sitting pretty.

 

[gump]

So other than GCP, looks like Best RB Available is the trend.VBD tells me to do the same....just hate feeling like I'm chasing the top 5 guys at that position. But I have 5 WR in my first tier....I guess getting one of those in the 2nd gives me a leg up at that position.

Geez how big is your first tier - given VDB you are likely to have 23-24 in the first if you are mushing it up that way. RB14 pretty much equals WR 7-15

I meant my 1st WR tier....would really like one of those if I'm not getting a 1st tier RB. Looks like that will happen.

 

[gump]

The 6 spot is great because if someone does take Vick or AJ then one of the elite RB's drops and I get the higher 2nd and 3rd round pick out of the deal.

I'm hoping this happens also. My VBD has the 'Big 5' way ahead of everyone else.

That puts the 2nd spot as the last of the 2nd tier WR's if Fitz drops else by default a solid RB like Gore or Mendenhall should be there. The question becomes if the WR run that has always happened does play out and Fitz is gone ... do I take the 1st WR from the next tier (VJax, Austin, Wallace, etc) or not.

I prob would reach a little in this situation for VJax. If all else seems equal, I'd prefer to have a RB and WR after two rounds to keep my flexibility when a position falls later.

 

[GCP]

well ...just did a Mock where I took Vick at 6th overall- would you be happy with this team? I think it turned out better than I thought it would. I don't have a true #1 WR but all could be considered #2s.1) Vick2) Forte3) Hillis4) Santonio Holmes5) Mario Manningham6) Austin Collie7) Marshawn Lynch8) Marcedes Lewis9) Jacoby Ford10) NY Jets Defense11) Joe Flacco12) Willis McGahee13) Nate Burleson14) Marion Barber15) Neil Rackers

Love this team, was it a 12 team league? I don't think I'll be able to snag Hillis in Round 3, especially after he and the Browns looked good this weekend. I'm actually debating Hillis over Forte at 18 now. Lynch as RB3 is awesome, and I love Holmes and Manningham this year, that's fine.

 

[RalphMouth]

well ...just did a Mock where I took Vick at 6th overall- would you be happy with this team? I think it turned out better than I thought it would. I don't have a true #1 WR but all could be considered #2s.1) Vick2) Forte3) Hillis4) Santonio Holmes5) Mario Manningham6) Austin Collie7) Marshawn Lynch8) Marcedes Lewis9) Jacoby Ford10) NY Jets Defense11) Joe Flacco12) Willis McGahee13) Nate Burleson14) Marion Barber15) Neil Rackers

Love this team, was it a 12 team league? I don't think I'll be able to snag Hillis in Round 3, especially after he and the Browns looked good this weekend. I'm actually debating Hillis over Forte at 18 now. Lynch as RB3 is awesome, and I love Holmes and Manningham this year, that's fine.

yep -12 team at FF Calculator Mock Draft

 

[CowboysHomer]

Just got the 6th pick, draft this weekend.

12 teamer, standard scoring (4 pts / TD pass, no PPR).

We start

QB

RB

2 WR

RB/WR (Flex)

TE

K

D

I've got a feeling one of the guys ahead of me will jump on Vick, if so will take one of the big five backs left.

If big five goes, I'm mulling over starting the chaos and grabbing Vick or Rodgers, or going WR here. Our league tends to overvalue QBs, so most of the big names tend to go in the first 2-3 rounds.

Haven't made up my mind yet, need to do some mocks between now and then.

 

[gump]

1.06 - VIck, Rodgers, AJohnson, White, Mendenhall, McCoy, McFadden

2.05 - Fitz, Nicks, Jennings, MJD, SJax, Turner

3.06 - Brees, Manning, Wallace, VJax, DJax, Austin, Forte, Hillis

4.05 - Rivers, Romo, Tampa Mike, Bowe, Marshall, Bradshaw, Best, Grant, Blount, Ingram

5.06 - Romo, Colston, Dez, Maclin, Best, Moreno, Deangelo, Benson

6.05 - Shaub, BenR, Ryan, Holmes, Lloyd, Harvin, DThomas, FJax, Benson, Felix

With draft getting close, I've been mocking a lot. The bolded above has been the team I'm most comfortable with, and getting with consistency (10 team).I like the idea of waiting on QB.

I like going WR in the 3rd, because I like the RB available in the 4th more than the WR available there.

Have to get a 3rd RB thru 6 though.

 

[gump]

1.06 - VIck, Rodgers, AJohnson, White, Mendenhall, McCoy, McFadden2.05 - Fitz, Nicks, Jennings, MJD, SJax, Turner3.06 - Brees, Manning, Wallace, VJax, DJax, Austin, Forte, Hillis4.05 - Rivers, Romo, Tampa Mike, Bowe, Marshall, Bradshaw, Best, Grant, Blount, Ingram5.06 - Romo, Colston, Dez, Maclin, Best, Moreno, Deangelo, Benson6.05 - Shaub, BenR, Ryan, Holmes, Lloyd, Harvin, DThomas, FJax, Benson

Or.....Drafting AR first ends up with something like: Rodgers, Nicks, Hillis, Best, Holmes, Lloyd = 250 VBD pointsDrafting RB first ends up with something like: McCoy, Nicks, Hillis, Romo, Holmes, Lloyd = 225 VBD pointsIf you consider that you are at the same point position-wise here either way...why wouldn't you draft QB first?Is RB depth really worth the sacrifice of VBD points?

 

[wlwiles]

Just mocked from the #6 spot. 12 team, and I'm using this mock to try a "wait on TE strategy" because I like the depth this year.

Andre Johnson (Foster/AP/Rice/Charles/Johnson went top 5. Considered Mendenhall here)

Darren McFadden

Peyton Hillis (chose him over Miles Austin)

Jeremy Maclin (Dez went one pick before me here)

Anquan Boldin (choice of Ingram/Lynch/Manningham/Boldin at this spot. Figured one of the two RBs would fall a round)

Marshawn Lynch (and one of them did)

Eli Manning (Eli in 7th is fine by me)

Steve Smith (Carolina)

Jonathan Stewart

Joe Flacco

Malcolm Floyd (was targeting Marcedes Lewis here, but he went 2 picks before me)

Dustin Keller

Chargers D/ST (I always wait for D because i end up playing matchup midseason anyway)

CJ Spiller (was hoping to grab Hardesty to pair w/ Hillis, but he went 3-4 picks earlier)

Adam Vinateri

 

[shnikies]

Just mocked from the #6 spot. 12 team, and I'm using this mock to try a "wait on TE strategy" because I like the depth this year.Andre Johnson (Foster/AP/Rice/Charles/Johnson went top 5. Considered Mendenhall here)Darren McFadden Peyton Hillis (chose him over Miles Austin)Jeremy Maclin (Dez went one pick before me here)Anquan Boldin (choice of Ingram/Lynch/Manningham/Boldin at this spot. Figured one of the two RBs would fall a round)Marshawn Lynch (and one of them did)Eli Manning (Eli in 7th is fine by me)Steve Smith (Carolina)Jonathan StewartJoe FlaccoMalcolm Floyd (was targeting Marcedes Lewis here, but he went 2 picks before me)Dustin KellerChargers D/ST (I always wait for D because i end up playing matchup midseason anyway)CJ Spiller (was hoping to grab Hardesty to pair w/ Hillis, but he went 3-4 picks earlier)Adam Vinateri

Unless you play in a league full of idiots or your scoring is unconventional there is no chance Hillis will be there for your 3rd pick. I'd suggest not picking him if he's there when you mock to get a better feel for your team.

 

[gump]

Unless you play in a league full of idiots or your scoring is unconventional there is no chance Hillis will be there for your 3rd pick. I'd suggest not picking him if he's there when you mock to get a better feel for your team.

His ADP is 3.4. He's the quintessential 'last year was overrated' guy....and consistently falls to the mid-3rd in mocks I've done.

 

[Anonymous Internet User]

Just mocked from the #6 spot. 12 team, and I'm using this mock to try a "wait on TE strategy" because I like the depth this year.Andre Johnson (Foster/AP/Rice/Charles/Johnson went top 5. Considered Mendenhall here)Darren McFadden Peyton Hillis (chose him over Miles Austin)Jeremy Maclin (Dez went one pick before me here)Anquan Boldin (choice of Ingram/Lynch/Manningham/Boldin at this spot. Figured one of the two RBs would fall a round)Marshawn Lynch (and one of them did)Eli Manning (Eli in 7th is fine by me)Steve Smith (Carolina)Jonathan StewartJoe FlaccoMalcolm Floyd (was targeting Marcedes Lewis here, but he went 2 picks before me)Dustin KellerChargers D/ST (I always wait for D because i end up playing matchup midseason anyway)CJ Spiller (was hoping to grab Hardesty to pair w/ Hillis, but he went 3-4 picks earlier)Adam Vinateri

Unless you play in a league full of idiots or your scoring is unconventional there is no chance Hillis will be there for your 3rd pick. I'd suggest not picking him if he's there when you mock to get a better feel for your team.

he was at 3.07 in my FPC league

 

[Ariakis]

I bet CJ2K is there for 1.06 in a lot of drafts this weekend with McCoy or AJ going 5th. What are those in a PPR league where QB isn't worth a 1st round pick doing?

 

[CowboysHomer]

Just drafted this weekend out of the six spot.

Format: standard scoring, 1 point for every 10 yards receiving/rushing, 1/25 yds passing, defensive scoring for takeaways and points allowed, no yardage. 6 pts/TD, passing TDs worth 4 points.

Starters: 1 QB, 1 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 flex (RB, WR, TE), Team D, K.

QBs tend to go early, honestly it was a little crazy this year. Lots of strange picks, so I don't know how much will help.

Here's my draft:

1. Ray Rice

2. Phillip Rivers

3. Mike Wallace

4. DeSean Jackson

5. Vernon Davis

6. Shonn Greene

7. Green Bay D

8. Marshawn Lynch

9. Pierre Garcon

10. Lance Moore

11. Mike Tolbert

12. Jason Campbell :-/

13. Jacoby Ford

14. Lance Kendricks

15. Mason Crosby

Here's the first 10 rounds:

1. AP, Rodgers, Foster, Andre Johnson, VIck, Rice, Chris Johnson, Charles, MJD, McCoy, Mendenhall, Forte

2. Gore, DMC, R. White, Brady, Brees, Steven Jackson, Rivers, Turner, Hillis, Calvin Johnson, Jennings, Fitz

3. Romo, Gates, Schaub, Manning, Moreno, Wallace, Nicks, Austin, Wayne, Benson, Vincent Jackson, Blount

4. Holmes, Bowe, Witten, Felix Jones, DeAngelo, Tampa Mike, DeSean, Welker, Bradshaw, Finley, Clark, O. Daniels

5. Best, BJGE, Marshall, Freeman, Colston, V. Davis, Mathews, Lloyd, Marcedes Lewis, Big Ben, Ryan, BOldin

6. Dez, Tony Gonzalez, Maclin, Britt, Pettigrew, Graham, Greene, Olsen, WInslows, Grant, NYJ D, Steve Johnson

7. AJ Green, Beanie, Addai, Manningham, Pitt D, Green Bay D, Philly D, Harvin, Bltimore D, Ochocinco, Stewart, Bradford

8. Mike Thomas, INgram, Fred Jackson, Floyd, Danie Thomas, Eli, Lynch, Flacco, Dallas D, Sidney Rice, Hartley, Chicago D

9. Reggie Bush, Plaxico, Carolina Smith, Ben Tate, Hightower, Garcon, Collie, LT, Pierre Thomas, S. Moss, Julio Jones, Gronkowski

10. Stafford, Knox, Sanchez, Kaeding, NE D, Rackers, Lance Moore, Bironas, Bryant, Cutler, Kolb, Colt

 

[Rounders]

This thread was helpful for me this past weekend. Thanks to all that shared their thoughts/opinions.

I went into my draft this past weekend with one goal, remain flexible and don't get caught in runs. I went with best player available theory. Here's my results

10 team/ 1 qb/1 rb/2 wr/1 te/2 flex, standard scoring

1.6 R.Rice - Wanted Charles, he went 4, AJ went 5

2.5 R.Mendenhall - Very excited about him here, but passed on Rodgers

3.6 R.Wayne - Not excited with the news about Manning

4.5 M.Austin - Good value, I think

5.6 T.Romo - Taken as 7th QB, so I was happy

6.5 D.Williams - Not overly excited, but thought he was best available, could have went Grant, decided on risk/reward

7.6 B.Wells - Was thinking WR, but Wells was too valuable here

8.5 P.Harvin - Another swing for the fences

9.6 J.Graham - needed a TE and he was top sleeper available

10.5 B.Roethilsberger - I started the run on back up QBs. With Romo's injury history, needed a backup

11.6 Sims-Walker - Swing and hit???

12.5 B.Pettigew - Another sleeper TE

13.6 M.Bush - McFadden will get hurt this season

14.5 Janikowski - Love his potential to his 50 yard bombs (we get bonuses for distance)

15.6 R.Brown - Stole a handcuff, because mine was stolen

16.5 G.Little - Super Sleeper?

17.6 - NE Defense

All in all, I like the team, and think it's playoff bound.

The draft was a bit odd to follow. Rodgers and Vick both fell farther than I thought, and I would have taken Rodgers in round 2 if Mendenhall was not there. Love the advantage he gives me (Mendenhall). Otherwise, one team in my draft was downright bad, made awful picks and allowed some players to slide a bit.

Hope this helps those drafting in the coming weeks. Happy and healthy fantasy season to all.

 

[pmark]

This thread was helpful for me this past weekend. Thanks to all that shared their thoughts/opinions.I went into my draft this past weekend with one goal, remain flexible and don't get caught in runs. I went with best player available theory. Here's my results10 team/ 1 qb/1 rb/2 wr/1 te/2 flex, standard scoring1.6 R.Rice - Wanted Charles, he went 4, AJ went 52.5 R.Mendenhall - Very excited about him here, but passed on Rodgers3.6 R.Wayne - Not excited with the news about Manning4.5 M.Austin - Good value, I think5.6 T.Romo - Taken as 7th QB, so I was happy6.5 D.Williams - Not overly excited, but thought he was best available, could have went Grant, decided on risk/reward7.6 B.Wells - Was thinking WR, but Wells was too valuable here8.5 P.Harvin - Another swing for the fences9.6 J.Graham - needed a TE and he was top sleeper available10.5 B.Roethilsberger - I started the run on back up QBs. With Romo's injury history, needed a backup11.6 Sims-Walker - Swing and hit???12.5 B.Pettigew - Another sleeper TE13.6 M.Bush - McFadden will get hurt this season14.5 Janikowski - Love his potential to his 50 yard bombs (we get bonuses for distance)15.6 R.Brown - Stole a handcuff, because mine was stolen16.5 G.Little - Super Sleeper?17.6 - NE Defense All in all, I like the team, and think it's playoff bound.The draft was a bit odd to follow. Rodgers and Vick both fell farther than I thought, and I would have taken Rodgers in round 2 if Mendenhall was not there. Love the advantage he gives me (Mendenhall). Otherwise, one team in my draft was downright bad, made awful picks and allowed some players to slide a bit.Hope this helps those drafting in the coming weeks. Happy and healthy fantasy season to all.

Who else was there when you picked Wayne?

 

[gump]

10 team/ 1 qb/1 rb/2 wr/1 te/2 flex, standard scoring1.6 R.Rice - Wanted Charles, he went 4, AJ went 52.5 R.Mendenhall - Very excited about him here, but passed on Rodgers3.6 R.Wayne - Not excited with the news about Manning4.5 M.Austin - Good value, I think5.6 T.Romo - Taken as 7th QB, so I was happy6.5 D.Williams - Not overly excited, but thought he was best available, could have went Grant, decided on risk/reward7.6 B.Wells - Was thinking WR, but Wells was too valuable here8.5 P.Harvin - Another swing for the fences9.6 J.Graham - needed a TE and he was top sleeper available10.5 B.Roethilsberger - I started the run on back up QBs. With Romo's injury history, needed a backup

Thanks Rounders! Interesting....Mendy, Austin, and even Harvin fell below their ADP and where I have them ranked.I'm usually one to preach QB Late....but results like this make me want to go with Rodgers (assuming Rice won't be there). I normally like the flexibility of going RB-WR....as going QB in Rd 1 really puts a lot of pressure on getting some RB and WR to fall.But I'm starting to see a lot of value at RB and WR in mid-rounds....here and in some recent mocks.I think I'm getting the guts up to start with Rodgers.

 

[Wild Young Billy]

I pick 6th this weekend. I see no way that Rodgers goes in the top 6 in my league. The owner that took Brady in Round 1 in '08 still catches #### about it. I am expecting to see Charles or AJ there at 6 for me. I'd love to see McCoy or Rice but doubt it will happen.

 

[Rounders]

This thread was helpful for me this past weekend. Thanks to all that shared their thoughts/opinions.I went into my draft this past weekend with one goal, remain flexible and don't get caught in runs. I went with best player available theory. Here's my results10 team/ 1 qb/1 rb/2 wr/1 te/2 flex, standard scoring1.6 R.Rice - Wanted Charles, he went 4, AJ went 52.5 R.Mendenhall - Very excited about him here, but passed on Rodgers3.6 R.Wayne - Not excited with the news about Manning4.5 M.Austin - Good value, I think5.6 T.Romo - Taken as 7th QB, so I was happy6.5 D.Williams - Not overly excited, but thought he was best available, could have went Grant, decided on risk/reward7.6 B.Wells - Was thinking WR, but Wells was too valuable here8.5 P.Harvin - Another swing for the fences9.6 J.Graham - needed a TE and he was top sleeper available10.5 B.Roethilsberger - I started the run on back up QBs. With Romo's injury history, needed a backup11.6 Sims-Walker - Swing and hit???12.5 B.Pettigew - Another sleeper TE13.6 M.Bush - McFadden will get hurt this season14.5 Janikowski - Love his potential to his 50 yard bombs (we get bonuses for distance)15.6 R.Brown - Stole a handcuff, because mine was stolen16.5 G.Little - Super Sleeper?17.6 - NE Defense All in all, I like the team, and think it's playoff bound.The draft was a bit odd to follow. Rodgers and Vick both fell farther than I thought, and I would have taken Rodgers in round 2 if Mendenhall was not there. Love the advantage he gives me (Mendenhall). Otherwise, one team in my draft was downright bad, made awful picks and allowed some players to slide a bit.Hope this helps those drafting in the coming weeks. Happy and healthy fantasy season to all.

Who else was there when you picked Wayne?

QBs - RomoRBs - Jackson, Hillis, BradshawWRs - Wallace (thought long and hard about it, went with pedigree), Bowe, D.Jackson, MarshallTEs - All of them

 

[pmark]

This thread was helpful for me this past weekend. Thanks to all that shared their thoughts/opinions.I went into my draft this past weekend with one goal, remain flexible and don't get caught in runs. I went with best player available theory. Here's my results10 team/ 1 qb/1 rb/2 wr/1 te/2 flex, standard scoring1.6 R.Rice - Wanted Charles, he went 4, AJ went 52.5 R.Mendenhall - Very excited about him here, but passed on Rodgers3.6 R.Wayne - Not excited with the news about Manning4.5 M.Austin - Good value, I think5.6 T.Romo - Taken as 7th QB, so I was happy6.5 D.Williams - Not overly excited, but thought he was best available, could have went Grant, decided on risk/reward7.6 B.Wells - Was thinking WR, but Wells was too valuable here8.5 P.Harvin - Another swing for the fences9.6 J.Graham - needed a TE and he was top sleeper available10.5 B.Roethilsberger - I started the run on back up QBs. With Romo's injury history, needed a backup11.6 Sims-Walker - Swing and hit???12.5 B.Pettigew - Another sleeper TE13.6 M.Bush - McFadden will get hurt this season14.5 Janikowski - Love his potential to his 50 yard bombs (we get bonuses for distance)15.6 R.Brown - Stole a handcuff, because mine was stolen16.5 G.Little - Super Sleeper?17.6 - NE Defense All in all, I like the team, and think it's playoff bound.The draft was a bit odd to follow. Rodgers and Vick both fell farther than I thought, and I would have taken Rodgers in round 2 if Mendenhall was not there. Love the advantage he gives me (Mendenhall). Otherwise, one team in my draft was downright bad, made awful picks and allowed some players to slide a bit.Hope this helps those drafting in the coming weeks. Happy and healthy fantasy season to all.

Who else was there when you picked Wayne?

QBs - RomoRBs - Jackson, Hillis, BradshawWRs - Wallace (thought long and hard about it, went with pedigree), Bowe, D.Jackson, MarshallTEs - All of them

Thanks! I think I would have went with Wallace but Wayne is still a good choice.

 

[LOCO]

10 team, picked 6th

qb: eli, bradford, strafford

RBs: hillis, matthews, ingram, tolbert, willis

WR: AJ, CJ, Vjax, Julio, Little

TE: Daniels

was waiting for ryan, big ben, or schuab in the 6th, but where gone right before my pick.

 

[scavenger]

Excellent posting- Gentlemen. You have pointed out things to be aware are: 1) know your league tendencies & scoring 2)Flexibility to grab value 3) VBD 4) Checking mocks or ADP lists to note where positional runs occur 5) positional DEPTH.

As a 20 year fantasy footballer,following this SHARK POOL & Joe before it was called "Football Guys"; this was an enjoyable read. Thanks

 

[HMKRich]

Bump.

I've got a 1.06 pick coming up in a strange 10 man league: 5 of the guys have never played before, and the other 4 are guys who are at least as experienced as me. I should be able to grab a top RB (Ray Rice?) with the sixth pick, but I'm seriously considering going with Andre and waiting to pick a RB until the 4th or 5th round. Otherwise I'm gonna get stuck with the 5th best RB, the 5th best QB, the 5th best WR.... etc.

I'm alot more comfortable picking near the turns, where you can really predict which way the 1,2,9, or 10 picks are gonna go.

 

[Gold Standard]

Bump. I've got a 1.06 pick coming up in a strange 10 man league: 5 of the guys have never played before, and the other 4 are guys who are at least as experienced as me. I should be able to grab a top RB (Ray Rice?) with the sixth pick, but I'm seriously considering going with Andre and waiting to pick a RB until the 4th or 5th round. Otherwise I'm gonna get stuck with the 5th best RB, the 5th best QB, the 5th best WR.... etc.I'm alot more comfortable picking near the turns, where you can really predict which way the 1,2,9, or 10 picks are gonna go.

McCoy Mendy and Chris Johnson all went in the 2nd in my draft last night 10 Team Non-PPR. I think two stud receivers early is the move. Manningham should be there in the 6th as a perfect 4th WR1.06 - AJohnson2.05 - Wallace (Didn't want to whiteknuckle it to the 3rd Rd) 3.06 - McFadden - Early QB run had him fall on my lap4.05 - MWilliams - Tampa5.06 - Ingram6.05 - S Johnson (Wanted Manningham badly here)7.06 - Big Ben (Proof you dont need to spend early on a QB)8.05 - Green-Ellis9.06 - Jacobs10.05- Gronkowski11.06 - Flacco12.05 - Winslow13.06 - D. Thomas14.05 - Saints15.06 - Janikowski16.05- E.Sanders17.06- D.Carter18.05- S Shuisham19.06 - Vikings

 

[gump]

Bump. I've got a 1.06 pick coming up in a strange 10 man league: 5 of the guys have never played before, and the other 4 are guys who are at least as experienced as me. I should be able to grab a top RB (Ray Rice?) with the sixth pick, but I'm seriously considering going with Andre and waiting to pick a RB until the 4th or 5th round. Otherwise I'm gonna get stuck with the 5th best RB, the 5th best QB, the 5th best WR.... etc.I'm alot more comfortable picking near the turns, where you can really predict which way the 1,2,9, or 10 picks are gonna go.

It depends some on the scoring system. We just added a flex...and our league has always been QB happy (10 team). So I expect runs early on RB and QB....with plenty of WR talent available later than their ADP.So the question becomes....do you want to start runs (with QB or WR in the first), or go with the flow and pick up later WR depth. I personally would want to start with a stud RB and then catch either the early QB run or early WR run.

 

[atcdav]

I have the 6th spot in a 12 team non ppr redraft. I am actually debating trading to a different spot. My issue is Chris Johnson. Assuming he does not sign by the draft he will fall to me. If I do not take him at some point he will be a bargain for another team. So my options are Mendy, McFadden, Vick/Rogers or AJ. I think 6 is too soon for AJ, McF and Mendy. I am not excited about QBs this early either. If Rice or mCCoy drop they are my pick otherwise, I got for the best available which IMO is Vick. He is high risk/reward here. He can be like having and extra player starting but he has been wildly inconsistent in his career and always an injury risk. Oh well, how many seasons do we see 1st round flops. If I go RB at 1.06 I am targeting Freeman and Stafford around 6-7

At 2.07 If Fitz is there, done. Otherwise I am looking for Gore, VJax, Hicks,

At 3.06 Bradshaw, Felix, Blount Ingram

At 4.07 One of the above Rbs, Greene, Best, Matthews or best WR

At 5.06 Gates, Witten or Clark, else best RB/WR based on projections

Starters 1QB 2RB 2WR 1Flex 1TE 1PK 1D

 

[Ghost of Bill Walsh]

12 team redraft with PPR. RB's-.4pts rec.,WR's-.7pts. rec., TE's- 1 pt. rec. I'm in the 6th hole. My team so far.

QB's- Eli Manning, Joe Flacco

RB's- Jamaal Charles,Jahvid Best, DeAngelo Williams, Jason Snelling

WR's- Greg Jennings, Stevie Johnson, Jacoby Ford, Roy Williams, Jerome Simpson, Brandon Gibson

TE's- Vernon Davis,Jared Cook

PK- Neil Rackers(week 11 bye so I only need 1 PK)

DEF- NY Jets

I found out from this draft,with these guys, drafting from the 6th spot had me missing out on guys I was targeting. They were either going just before my pick in the odd rounds and just before my pick coming back in the even rounds.Earlier I was thinking the Roy Williams was a good pick,not so much now. Gotta hope he understands the playbook better and starts to click with Cutler or Knox will surely start over Roy. I'm not liking that pick at all right now. Woulda liked to have had that one back.

 

[HMKRich]

12 team redraft with PPR. RB's-.4pts rec.,WR's-.7pts. rec., TE's- 1 pt. rec. I'm in the 6th hole. My team so far.QB's- Eli Manning, Joe FlaccoRB's- Jamaal Charles,Jahvid Best, DeAngelo Williams, Jason SnellingWR's- Greg Jennings, Stevie Johnson, Jacoby Ford, Roy Williams, Jerome Simpson, Brandon GibsonTE's- Vernon Davis,Jared CookPK- Neil Rackers(week 11 bye so I only need 1 PK)DEF- NY JetsI found out from this draft,with these guys, drafting from the 6th spot had me missing out on guys I was targeting. They were either going just before my pick in the odd rounds and just before my pick coming back in the even rounds.Earlier I was thinking the Roy Williams was a good pick,not so much now. Gotta hope he understands the playbook better and starts to click with Cutler or Knox will surely start over Roy. I'm not liking that pick at all right now. Woulda liked to have had that one back.

I don't think that's bad at all for a tough 12 man league. If Best or Ford go off, you could package them for a nice QB upgrade and you're set.