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****OFFICIAL**** Astros / White Sox WS Thread (1 Viewer)
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Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
This series is FAR from over.I've been an Astros fan way too long. 80 (I've seen game tapes), 86, 99, and 2004, it looked like we had everything in the bag *each* series.
We didn't win any of them.
plinko
Footballguy
I guess you haven't watched the LaRussa Cardinals lay down and die sooner or later in every postseason like I have. Congratulations, and good luck.
I've been an Astros fan way too long. 80 (I've seen game tapes), 86, 99, and 2004, it looked like we had everything in the bag *each* series.
We didn't win any of them.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Were you saying this last year when the Astros were up 3-2?I'm starting to peg you as a fair-weather fan with all the negativity. Your team lost two games. Big deal.I guess you haven't watched the LaRussa Cardinals lay down and die sooner or later in every postseason like I have. Congratulations, and good luck.
I've been an Astros fan way too long. 80 (I've seen game tapes), 86, 99, and 2004, it looked like we had everything in the bag *each* series.
We didn't win any of them.
plinko
Footballguy
Who said they were my team?I'm starting to peg you as someone who's afraid of the dreaded Reverse Jinx.Were you saying this last year when the Astros were up 3-2?I'm starting to peg you as a fair-weather fan with all the negativity. Your team lost two games. Big deal.I guess you haven't watched the LaRussa Cardinals lay down and die sooner or later in every postseason like I have. Congratulations, and good luck.
I've been an Astros fan way too long. 80 (I've seen game tapes), 86, 99, and 2004, it looked like we had everything in the bag *each* series.
We didn't win any of them.
snowmonkey501
Footballguy
dude, go hijack the ALCS thread. we're having an intelligent discussion over here.Who said they were my team?I'm starting to peg you as someone who's afraid of the dreaded Reverse Jinx.Were you saying this last year when the Astros were up 3-2?I'm starting to peg you as a fair-weather fan with all the negativity. Your team lost two games. Big deal.I guess you haven't watched the LaRussa Cardinals lay down and die sooner or later in every postseason like I have. Congratulations, and good luck.
I've been an Astros fan way too long. 80 (I've seen game tapes), 86, 99, and 2004, it looked like we had everything in the bag *each* series.
We didn't win any of them.
plinko
Footballguy
Link?dude, go hijack the ALCS thread. we're having an intelligent discussion over here.Who said they were my team?I'm starting to peg you as someone who's afraid of the dreaded Reverse Jinx.Were you saying this last year when the Astros were up 3-2?I'm starting to peg you as a fair-weather fan with all the negativity. Your team lost two games. Big deal.I guess you haven't watched the LaRussa Cardinals lay down and die sooner or later in every postseason like I have. Congratulations, and good luck.
I've been an Astros fan way too long. 80 (I've seen game tapes), 86, 99, and 2004, it looked like we had everything in the bag *each* series.
We didn't win any of them.
snowmonkey501
Footballguy
plinko
Footballguy
Seriously though, you wimps may not like my approach, but you can't argue with the facts. The Cardinals are becoming classic postseason choke artists. Watch the at-bats. Watch the strategy, or lack thereof. Watch the lackadaisical attitude. This is a team that approaches every postseason series as is it's just another regular season series. This happens every year (when they make the playoffs). Sure they can handle a crummy team like the Padres or the Dodgers last year, but you throw some real effort at them, you crank it up to 11 like a real playoff team is supposed to, and they crumble like a house of.. Cards.I've changed my mind about one thing, however. The Astros are going down in the WS. You heard it here first.
snowmonkey501
Footballguy
well, we've been discussing long before you came in here and showed us all your ###. catch up why dont you.
snowmonkey501
Footballguy
quality, not quantity. but still it seems to be lost on you.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I didn't see much of the game (was at a wedding today), but caught the highlights. From what I saw and heard, that was a cheap shot by Lane on the slide that injured Nunez. He slid way too early and if you watch it again, he left his knee up very high in an attempt to take out Nunez. Plus, he was several feet out of the baseline and should have been called out as a result. Instead, he scored (on a bad throw by Luna, who had to replace Nunez) and ended up being the deciding run. Absolute bull crap.That aside, the Cardinals are hitting like crap. Pujols cannot do it all by himself. Will Walker, Edmonds or our pile of crap 2B please step up and get a big hit? Sadly though, injuries have decimated the Cardinals to the point where it will take a miracle for them to win this series now. All I know is they have got to beat Brandon Backe tomorrow. If they do not, the series is over.
bigbottom
Footballguy
In a post-game interview Lane said he was trying to slide under Nunez and also "break up the play" as if he were trying to break up a double play. Is that a cheap shot or is that good base running? Seriously, I'm not much of a baseball fan and don't know. As for being several feet out of the baseline, I don't recall that at all.
Sideshow Bob
Footballguy
Actually, yes.
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
WHAT A LOAD kickin' out Edmunds.That wasn't even close to a flippin' strike and then to BOOT the guy. 
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
Obviously you haven't been watching the White Sox arms shutting down teams the past three weeks.The only edge I give the Stros over the White Sox is Lidge and the goofiest centerfield going.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
WHAT A F*#*@)*#*) PLAY!!!!YEAHHHHH!!!!!!
GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
BRING EM ON!!!!I wonder who's sides the umps will be on, as it seems pretty clear MLB wants 'different teams' in the World Series this year.....and just remember which team has been laying the smackdown ON THE ROAD.....
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GRIDIRON ASSASSIN
Footballguy
FINALLY some different teams in the World Series!!!!
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Seriouisly, blaming everyone but your own team is bush league. You're better than this, Lumbergh...you really are.
Mr. Know-It-All
Footballguy
it was not the umpire that cost the game, but that guy has no business being an umpire in an NLCS when he tosses both LaRussa and Edmonds to make up for his inadequacies in calling a strike zone.Again, the cardinals cost themselves the game, period. To say that umpire is not bush is moronic though. Tossing two guys in the NLCS. That says it all.Now, as for the game, the Astros are looking very good (pitching wise) and that is what wins series. Hopefully the Cards can nut up andmake a series of it. We can take Pettite and Clemens...its Oswalt I am worried about.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Bull ####. The 4 pitch walk Marquis issued in the 7th that led to the winning run was in the same spot and was called a BALL. I have never been this irate after a game before. The Cardinals lack of timely hitting pisses me off, but there is nothing worse than losing a game thanks to the umpires. This is like 1985 all over again. Now I know how all of those Angels fans felt like last week. And this is not homer talk. Anyone with a brain who watched that whole game knows the Cardinals got screwed royally.It was a strike and has been called a strike all day. Could have gotten Edmonds on the bat swing so either way he was screwed.WHAT A LOAD kickin' out Edmunds.
That wasn't even close to a flippin' strike and then to BOOT the guy.
Oh, and watch the replay of the last play. Mabry was safe.
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prosopis
Arizona Chupacabra
Bull ####. The 4 pitch walk Marquis issued in the 7th that led to the winning run was in the same spot and was called a BALL. I have never been this irate after a game before. The Cardinals lack of timely hitting pisses me off, but there is nothing worse than losing a game thanks to the umpires. This is like 1985 all over again. Now I know how all of those Angels fans felt like last week. And this is not homer talk. Anyone with a brain who watched that whole game knows the Cardinals got screwed royally.It was a strike and has been called a strike all day. Could have gotten Edmonds on the bat swing so either way he was screwed.WHAT A LOAD kickin' out Edmunds.
That wasn't even close to a flippin' strike and then to BOOT the guy.
Oh, and watch the replay of the last play. Mabry was safe.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Yeah, I'm staying out of this thread until you guys calm down.I feel like I'd just get mauled.
I'll accept that I may have been wrong about the umpires. But Keys Myaths, you have to admit that Minute Maid Park is the biggest freaking disgrace of all the MLB ballparks. That short porch in left field provides cheap home runs to hitters who hit a ball 315 feet while that centerfield robs power hitters that hit a ball 430 feet out there.Absolutely stupid.
Tough As Nails and Co.
Footballguy
Actually, yes.
It's not as fun #####ing about the Cardinals as an alias.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Despite being annoyed being beyond belief at the screwjob the Cards just got, I am perfectly calm.Do you think the strike zone was consistent today?
Do you think the Cardinals did not get screwed at all?
Do you think the umps did not greatly aid Houston their win?
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Call me Matt. You know me well enough, and even on a message board, it's weird to be called Keys.It's been the park's knock ever since it was built.
But honestly, as an Astros fan, I love it. Our pitchers train to guide the ball into center, and our hitters train to flip it to left or right (which is also really short). It's a huge home-field advantage. I would be just as upset if I were an opposing team, but it's great as an Astros fan.
Besides, this series is far from over. You have Carpenter in G5, and then you go home, where you won down 3-2 last year. I'm still very concerned.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Give me a break. Teams almost never recover from screwjobs like what happened today. Look at how Anahem has fallen apart since getting the shaft in game 2. And I do not expect these douchebags umpires to suddenly start giving the Cards the breaks tomorrow. The Cardinals lack of timely hitting is demoralizing to see, but when you are trying to fight out of a slump and fighting the umps at the same time, it is a losing battle every single time.
Polecat
Footballguy
The strike zone hasn't been consistent the whole series. This crew is terrible, I agree.To the extent that the Cards got screwed out of the game, I disagree. Yes, there were some calls that did not go their way, but that goes both way and usually evens out in the course of a series.
The Cards got beat because they couldn't get a hit. Deal with it.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
That's my view. The umps were absolutely terrible today. Horrible. They have been the whole series, though, on both sides. You never know what you're going to get.I think the Cardinals screwed themselves, to answer the original question. It was a 3-1 pitch. If you watch it again, Edmonds makes his point, and the umpire keeps him in the game. It's only after the second effort at the argument that he gets tossed. You can't do that...especially in that kind of situation. It gets your team thinking about everything *but* the game...
And LaRussa started it when he went nutso the inning before. You can't do that either. You get thrown out in a situation like that, go to the clubhose...don't argue for 6 hours. That takes your team completely out of the game, and looking to make excuses rather than making plays. Yes, the umpires were terrible. But so were the Cardinals' reactions.
Life is 10% what happens to you, and 90% how you react to it. I think the 10% hurt the Cards, but it was the 90% that killed them.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Ok, think of it this way. Had that been called a ball on Edmonds like it should have been, there would have been two out and two out with Pujols at the plate. Think that changes things at all? DUH! Oh, and what did Pujols did with that at-bat to start off the 9th?
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
If someone was sticking it in your butt 10% of the time, how would you react to it 90% of the time?
It was very close and, to be fair, it was a bang-bang play and the ump doesn't have the benefit of instant replay. Still, given how the game had been called, I would have died of shock if he had been called safe.Ok - I watched it, several times in fact. He was out.
