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*** Official Baltimore Ravens 2012/13 SB Champs Thread *** (1 Viewer)

The more the Raven players are out there being interviewed, the more impressed I am with this team. All the players have universally praised Joe, Harbough, the team chemistry, etc. I think the locker room will be ok without Ray. Reading that Boldin would rather retire than put on another uniform really shows how much a part of the team and city he feels. Have you guys noticed that ever since Bolin's been here, whenever there's been a prime time game where the players introduce themselves, Boldin always wears an Orioles cap. This includes lots of dreadful years, he didn't just start last year. We need to keep him around until he's ready to retire.

 
So that was awesome.John Harbaugh just came and spoke at my place of employment for about 20 minutes. He was funny, sharp, and powerful. I can't help but think the Ravens have a bright future - he is blossoming as a coach right now and I have no reason to think he won't be even more effective in the next five years than he was in his first five years on the job.Didn't talk a lot of specifics about the team, though he did go on a bit about Justin Tucker and the amazing imitations he does of Ray, of coaches, and of other players - said Tucker's going to be on Jimmy Fallon soon.And he reminded me of just what this team overcame - injuries to Suggs, to Webb, to Ray. Not many teams could lose their two best defenders (Suggs and Webb) and still fight through it all.

 
That's very cool, gb.

You know, we haven't talked nearly enough about how good Tucker was this year. By November I was just expecting him to make every kick. He's not afraid of the big ones either -- he wanted the chance to kick the game winner in the bitter cold of Denver.

 
That's very cool, gb.

You know, we haven't talked nearly enough about how good Tucker was this year. By November I was just expecting him to make every kick. He's not afraid of the big ones either -- he wanted the chance to kick the game winner in the bitter cold of Denver.
Agreed. Another Undrafted FA gem Ozzie's Gang found.Nice story, T_M. I was worried the first couple of years that Harbaugh might be in over his head, but he's come a long way.

 
I really enjoyed this article by the Ravens PR guy, Kevin Byrne.

It puts more words to the feeling that I got from hearing Harbaugh speak yesterday - that I feel like the Ravens are maybe on the verge of creating a very special and unique football culture. It goes in line with what of Joe Ehrmann talks about, about making a team based on relationships, love, respect, and service to others. One quote from Ehrmann:

"The transformational coach realizes the power of the coaching platform to inspire, motivate, and produce positive change in his or her followers. Transactional coaches lead through negotiation, inducement, manipulation, and threats to achieve a desired productivity, efficiency and effectiveness."

Of course, everyone looks good basking in the glow of a Lombardi Trophy. But I am so much happier about being a fan of this team, than I was of cheering for Billick's Ravens, with the boastfulness and swagger that was all too often backed up by selfish play and mediocrity.

Do you realize Billick never won a playoff game after the 2001 Wild Card round? And that the Ravens only went to the playoffs twice in his last 6 years? I wonder if he could be considered the worst coach ever to win a Super Bowl. Although Switzer might give him a run for that title. There's some perception that Harbaugh hasn't done that much since he inherited some kind of great situation, but the Ravens sure weren't winning playoff games before he got here.

 
I really enjoyed this article by the Ravens PR guy, Kevin Byrne.

It puts more words to the feeling that I got from hearing Harbaugh speak yesterday - that I feel like the Ravens are maybe on the verge of creating a very special and unique football culture. It goes in line with what of Joe Ehrmann talks about, about making a team based on relationships, love, respect, and service to others. One quote from Ehrmann:

"The transformational coach realizes the power of the coaching platform to inspire, motivate, and produce positive change in his or her followers. Transactional coaches lead through negotiation, inducement, manipulation, and threats to achieve a desired productivity, efficiency and effectiveness."

Of course, everyone looks good basking in the glow of a Lombardi Trophy. But I am so much happier about being a fan of this team, than I was of cheering for Billick's Ravens, with the boastfulness and swagger that was all too often backed up by selfish play and mediocrity.

Do you realize Billick never won a playoff game after the 2001 Wild Card round? And that the Ravens only went to the playoffs twice in his last 6 years? I wonder if he could be considered the worst coach ever to win a Super Bowl. Although Switzer might give him a run for that title. There's some perception that Harbaugh hasn't done that much since he inherited some kind of great situation, but the Ravens sure weren't winning playoff games before he got here.
This morning WBAL radio reeled off a partial list of players the Ravens had lost to free agency in the Harbaugh/East era. I was taken aback by the quality of talent which had left Baltimore the past few years and appreciated the work the current staff has done a little bit more. I can count on one hand the number of times Harbaugh teams have not played hard, and I think that's more rare than you might think in the NFL.Bisciotti's recent comments has interested observers all atwitter with the thoughts that they may not wreck the team's cap and let Joe go instead. Lesser teams around the leeg are salivating. I still think they'll hammer out something that works for both. Thoughts?

 
Flacco is absolutely not going anywhere. It's a gross misrepresentation of the Ravens' franchise to hint that he might be allowed to leave. The Ravens do lose a lot of good talent, because they draft a lot of good talent. They have yet to lose great talent, and I would even argue that they have almost never lost anyone who played better after leaving Baltimore than while a Raven.They keep their cornerstone players - Ogden, Ray, Reed, Suggs, Ngata, Rice - and they will keep Flacco. And I think they'll get him at a fair price - something with an average of $18 million, maybe $40 million guaranteed, and that gives them cap relief for the next couple years, at least.This is an extraordinarily well-run franchise, which means they knew this day was coming and they have a plan in place.The 'not wrecking the team's cap' stuff was all about not restructuring deals of guys like Leach and Boldin in order to keep Kruger, Williams, etc. if it means keeping them today kills you in 2 or 3 years.

 
This morning WBAL radio reeled off a partial list of players the Ravens had lost to free agency in the Harbaugh/East era. I was taken aback by the quality of talent which had left Baltimore the past few years and appreciated the work the current staff has done a little bit more.
I'm trying to think of guys who left relatively recently and have done better in their new homes, but am having trouble coming up with any. The first few I think of that got nice paydays (good for them!) and didn't do much are Adalius Thomas, Ed Hartwell, Bart Scott, & Dawan Landry.Willis McGahee, maybe? He played well in Baltimore and has also done well in Denver when he's not hurt. I'm sure I'm missing a better example but damned if I can think of it.

 
'Uruk-Hai said:
What are the thoughts on Tyrod Taylor?
Flacco never gets hurt, so we haven't seen much of Taylor under live fire. What I've seen isn't that impressive.
Thanks for the thoughts. I liked him as a developmental guy coming out. I guess he hasn't shown much though I haven't see many pre-season games.
I'm sure others that pay more attention than I do can break him down. What I've seen is that he has zero instinct as a passer and no accuracy. Ask The_Man and the other regulars, though. My scouting skills stink.
 
I really enjoyed this article by the Ravens PR guy, Kevin Byrne.It puts more words to the feeling that I got from hearing Harbaugh speak yesterday - that I feel like the Ravens are maybe on the verge of creating a very special and unique football culture. It goes in line with what of Joe Ehrmann talks about, about making a team based on relationships, love, respect, and service to others. One quote from Ehrmann:"The transformational coach realizes the power of the coaching platform to inspire, motivate, and produce positive change in his or her followers. Transactional coaches lead through negotiation, inducement, manipulation, and threats to achieve a desired productivity, efficiency and effectiveness."Of course, everyone looks good basking in the glow of a Lombardi Trophy. But I am so much happier about being a fan of this team, than I was of cheering for Billick's Ravens, with the boastfulness and swagger that was all too often backed up by selfish play and mediocrity.Do you realize Billick never won a playoff game after the 2001 Wild Card round? And that the Ravens only went to the playoffs twice in his last 6 years? I wonder if he could be considered the worst coach ever to win a Super Bowl. Although Switzer might give him a run for that title. There's some perception that Harbaugh hasn't done that much since he inherited some kind of great situation, but the Ravens sure weren't winning playoff games before he got here.
This is a great point. I never thought too much of Harbaugh prior to this season. I thought his time management was poor and that he was too conservative. After seeing his behavior and his and the team's class at the Superbowl, I've done a complete 180 on him. He has created an environment of mutual respect between him the coaches and players. Proud to have you in Bmore John!
 
Flacco is absolutely not going anywhere. It's a gross misrepresentation of the Ravens' franchise to hint that he might be allowed to leave. The Ravens do lose a lot of good talent, because they draft a lot of good talent. They have yet to lose great talent, and I would even argue that they have almost never lost anyone who played better after leaving Baltimore than while a Raven.They keep their cornerstone players - Ogden, Ray, Reed, Suggs, Ngata, Rice - and they will keep Flacco. And I think they'll get him at a fair price - something with an average of $18 million, maybe $40 million guaranteed, and that gives them cap relief for the next couple years, at least.This is an extraordinarily well-run franchise, which means they knew this day was coming and they have a plan in place.The 'not wrecking the team's cap' stuff was all about not restructuring deals of guys like Leach and Boldin in order to keep Kruger, Williams, etc. if it means keeping them today kills you in 2 or 3 years.
What if he asks for $22-$24 mil per? I still think the most likely scenario is a long term deal, but I'll be interested to see which way they go with the tag if it comes down to it. With as good as the front office is, it has to be at least a little tempting to give him the non-exclusive tag and see what happens.
 
Can the Ravens afford Freeney? Seems like a perfect fit.
That same thought occurred to me yesterday, especially after you guys said that Kruger would probably be released. Suggs and Freeney steaming around the corners might give offenses trouble for a year or two.
 
Can the Ravens afford Freeney? Seems like a perfect fit.
That same thought occurred to me yesterday, especially after you guys said that Kruger would probably be released. Suggs and Freeney steaming around the corners might give offenses trouble for a year or two.
Is he the kind of guy to take less to play for a winner? Also, are you guys thinking highly of upshaw like I am? Rewatching the supe, upshaw was the one who forced lamichael James outside, he then fell down, got up, ran the play down and forced the critical fumble. Pure hustle.
 
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Can the Ravens afford Freeney? Seems like a perfect fit.
That same thought occurred to me yesterday, especially after you guys said that Kruger would probably be released. Suggs and Freeney steaming around the corners might give offenses trouble for a year or two.
Is he the kind of guy to take less to play for a winner? Also, are you guys thinking highly of upshaw like I am? Rewatching the supe, upshaw was the one who forced lamichael James outside, he then fell down, got up, ran the play down and forced the critical fumble. Pure hustle.
I thought highly of Upshaw's improvement late in the year. Does anyone know if he's ever played inside?
 
'roadkill1292 said:
'James Daulton said:
'roadkill1292 said:
'Uruk-Hai said:
Can the Ravens afford Freeney? Seems like a perfect fit.
That same thought occurred to me yesterday, especially after you guys said that Kruger would probably be released. Suggs and Freeney steaming around the corners might give offenses trouble for a year or two.
Is he the kind of guy to take less to play for a winner? Also, are you guys thinking highly of upshaw like I am? Rewatching the supe, upshaw was the one who forced lamichael James outside, he then fell down, got up, ran the play down and forced the critical fumble. Pure hustle.
I thought highly of Upshaw's improvement late in the year. Does anyone know if he's ever played inside?
I think he's much more of a run-stopper type than a rush LB, so I'd say inside would be a good fit.
 
Profootballtalk's Mike Florio reports "current speculation" from the Combine is that the Ravens will slap free agent Joe Flacco with the non-exclusive franchise tag.It'd be a massive gamble by Baltimore. The Ravens would then put all of their trust into Flacco bringing any offer he receives back to them before signing. Florio points out the chances of Flacco leaving remain small, but the non-exclusive tag would give quarterback-needy teams (Arizona, Cleveland?) a window of opportunity to put the full-court press on the Super Bowl MVP. The non-exclusive tender carries a $14.6 million price. Baltimore has until March 4 to make its move. Feb 24 - 12:49 PMSource: Profootballtalk on NBC Sports
 
So who moves into Birk's all-important spot? Do they go all-Delaware in the QB/C exchange with Gino Gradkowski? Draft pick (I keep coming back to that Alabama kid)? Free agent?

 
So who moves into Birk's all-important spot? Do they go all-Delaware in the QB/C exchange with Gino Gradkowski? Draft pick (I keep coming back to that Alabama kid)? Free agent?
Good question. They think highly of Gradkowski, no? Is he a pure C or can he be moved around?Is McKinney gone? If so, they need both a C & LT (please God, don't put Oher there ever again). The Gs are as good as any, IMO, so leave KO & Yanda alone. Oher is servicable enough at RT.
 
So who moves into Birk's all-important spot? Do they go all-Delaware in the QB/C exchange with Gino Gradkowski? Draft pick (I keep coming back to that Alabama kid)? Free agent?
Good question. They think highly of Gradkowski, no? Is he a pure C or can he be moved around?Is McKinney gone? If so, they need both a C & LT (please God, don't put Oher there ever again). The Gs are as good as any, IMO, so leave KO & Yanda alone. Oher is servicable enough at RT.
They don't carry many offensive linemen so he's no worse than the last of 7 or 8 guys. Read that he backed up both guard spots, too. I just think the center position is one of the most important ones on the team. And they might have a crack at the two best ones coming out of college in Barrett Jones and Travis Frederick (Wisconsin).
 
So who moves into Birk's all-important spot? Do they go all-Delaware in the QB/C exchange with Gino Gradkowski? Draft pick (I keep coming back to that Alabama kid)? Free agent?
Good question. They think highly of Gradkowski, no? Is he a pure C or can he be moved around?Is McKinney gone? If so, they need both a C & LT (please God, don't put Oher there ever again). The Gs are as good as any, IMO, so leave KO & Yanda alone. Oher is servicable enough at RT.
They don't carry many offensive linemen so he's no worse than the last of 7 or 8 guys. Read that he backed up both guard spots, too. I just think the center position is one of the most important ones on the team. And they might have a crack at the two best ones coming out of college in Barrett Jones and Travis Frederick (Wisconsin).
I love hearing Eric DeCosta talk about the Ravens' draft principles. A few years ago I heard him talk about the analysis Baltimore has done on picks #24-32 in the draft, to see what positions selected in this range resulted in the highest, and lowest, success rate. He said that the position most prone to busting in this range -- by far -- is wide receiver. He went on to say that the positions with the highest success rate in this range are Center, Guard, Safety, Tight End, and Inside Linebacker. Not coincidentally, the Ravens have drafted Ben Grubbs, Ed Reed, Todd Heap, and Ray Lewis in this range.DeCosta said these positions don't tend to go as high as some of the "skill" positions, and that you almost always end up with a good player if you draft the first guy taken at a particular position. For example, the Ravens have twice selected the first Fullback taken in the draft in recent years and they've both been very good players -- Ovie Mughelli and LeRon McClain. Grubbs, Reed, and Heap were all the first player at their position taken in the years the Ravens drafted them. His quote for the year I heard him interviewed was: when you can get the best Tight End in Brandon Pettigrew, or the fifth best tackle in Eben Britton, you take Pettigrew.Based on that history, I wouldn't be surprised to see the Ravens take a Center with #32, but only if they have a Center that high on their board. Last year, a lot people were linking them to Wisconsin Center Peter Konz with their pick. Instead, they traded back (getting Upshaw in the second round, and then getting Pierce with the third round pick they acquired in trading back). I also wouldn't be surprised to see them trade back again this year - especially if no QB is taken early, and then teams at the top of the second round want to get into the end of the first round to get their QB.
 
Using post #8,000 to kick this back up on top where it belongs.Thoughts on opponents for the Thursday Night home opener in 2013 Week One - Patriots, Packers, or Steelers, in that order is my prediction.

 
Using post #8,000 to kick this back up on top where it belongs.Thoughts on opponents for the Thursday Night home opener in 2013 Week One - Patriots, Packers, or Steelers, in that order is my prediction.
Agree with that order of probability, though my preference would be to reverse it. Opening with the Steelers just feels right.
 
Ok, Flacco's done. Now resign Ellerbe. John Clayton was saying on ESPN this morning that they may franchise Ed Reed.

 
Did anyone think this thread was going away?

Because this thread belongs at the top. Like the World Champion Baltimore Ravens.

 
It's hard to not love a guy as tough as Boldin, but that's a lot of money to pay an aging WR who hasn't hit 1,000 yards since 2009 and has scored only 14 touchdowns for the Ravens in three seasons. Granted, he came up huge in the postseason, and that should count for something, just not everything.

 
Ugh, not sure how much more of the bandwagon fans I can take.

Bunches of people who never watched a Ravens game that wasn't coached by John Harbaugh are now experts in salary cap management, can't believe the Ravens are going to let Boldin and/or Reed go, and are blaming Flacco's greedy new deal for forcing those guys out of town.

For the record, Flacco's 2013 cap number is now smaller than his 2011 number. And we go through this every year, just like last year when Ben Grubbs and Jarrett Johnson left, and people are - truly - screaming that Ozzie doesn't know what he's doing. Really?

I posted some similar thoughts in one of the many Flacco threads, when I knew a non-franchise tag deal would be done, because it made sense, was a win-win for both sides, and was reflective of what I believe is the best-run franchise in the NFL (yes, even better than New England, where I feel Bellichick has too much on his plate).

As good as their college scouting operation is (and the Ravens, like the Patriots do all their own college work, rather than subscribe to Blesto like almost every other team does), the Ravens' pro scouting group might be even better. On top of that, their cap guru works with the pro scouts to ascribe a cap value to every single player in the NFL, relative to their individual performance, average salary figures, available free agents by position, and also a dynamic evaluation of how much combined cap room is available among all 32 teams and how that will affect the market for free agent salaries.

So when Ozzie says "Right player, right price," he's not just pulling a price out of thin air, he's literally referring to what a player's production is in comparison to the league average for what a player of similar ability is paid, and what salary they can expect to command in any given year's free agent market, based on position scarcity and the league-wide cap situation. In the case of Boldin, his 2013 cap number is $7.5M. They want him to take a $2M pay cut. That means, they have ascribed a value of roughly $5.5M to a player of Boldin's ability. If he doesn't take that deal, then I am willing to believe the Ravens have identified another WR who they believe they can sign for $5.5M or less, and who will provide similar production.

The same goes for Reed to a certain extent. There is a glut on the Safety free agency market and my guess is that - similar to when Ray hit the market in 2009 - nobody will be willing to pay more than the Ravens. And I also believe that if Reed does leave, then the Ravens have a plan on what to next.

I do trust in Ozzie and I know his team has mastery of this in a way that no other NFL organization does, let alone some fan. For example, when Ben Grubbs left for New Orleans last year, I had never heard of Kalachi Osemele. But you can bet that when Grubbs left, the Ravens had a pretty good idea KO would be available for them at the end of Round 2. That worked out pretty well.

Oh, and as for Grubbs. The Saints gave him a $10M signing bonus last year and then last week restructured his one-year-old deal to save cap room by giving him another $4M roster bonus. He's going to count $9.1M vs. their cap in 2014. For a Guard!? Meanwhile, in 2014, Osemele will count for $900 K vs. the Ravens cap. Literally one-tenth the price of Grubbs.

Right player, right price.

I hope Boldin stays. He basically carried the Ravens to the Super Bowl. I think he and Flacco are beginning to click in fantastic ways. But if the Ravens let him go, I'm going to trust it was the right decision, and that letting him go will help them continue their success more than keeping him would have.

 
It's hard to not love a guy as tough as Boldin, but that's a lot of money to pay an aging WR who hasn't hit 1,000 yards since 2009 and has scored only 14 touchdowns for the Ravens in three seasons. Granted, he came up huge in the postseason, and that should count for something, just not everything.
I dont think Boldin's lack of production is some decrease in his skill set or something. Its the Ravens offense. I do think his cap number is high and Ozzie is playing with house money with another superbowl. So tough decisions have to be made.
 
So rather than cut Boldin outright, they gave him away to SF for a 6th rounder. Better than nothing.

I now have to get off social media for the rest of the day to avoid out the ignorance and outrage of Ravens fans, all of whom apparently know better than Ozzie how to run a franchise.

 
You would think Ravens fans appreciate the move...I do. I bet this time tomorrow we are talking about Ellerbe signing created by this new cap space.

Another value of the trade is moving Boldin back to the NFC vs an AFC team scooping him up.

 
'RavenLunatic said:
You would think Ravens fans appreciate the move...I do. I bet this time tomorrow we are talking about Ellerbe signing created by this new cap space.

Another value of the trade is moving Boldin back to the NFC vs an AFC team scooping him up.
How much?
 
Paul Kruger reportedly gets 5 yrs/ $40 million, $20 mil guaranteed.

Last year Ray Rice signed for 5 yrs/$40 mil, $24 guaranteed.

Which do you think is the move of a Super Bowl winning franchise?

 
Bill Barnwell had an interesting piece in Grantland yesterday about there being lots of bargains in free agency this year, something we've all known that Ozzie understands. Barnwell's opinion was that only the dumb teams would overpay in this market. So no sooner does that piece hit the innerwebs than Kruger goes to our friends in Cleveland and Ellerbe gets somewhere around $7 million a year from Miami -- who also hurled tons of cash at Mike Wallace. I laughed.

Even though we trust Ozzie not to overpay as a tried and true tactic, you have to wonder who the Ratbirds will line up at LBs this season.

They did sign former Giant DL Chris Canty, though, which could be one of those under-the-radar moves that typically works out well for them. I don't know terms yet.

 
Bill Barnwell had an interesting piece in Grantland yesterday about there being lots of bargains in free agency this year, something we've all known that Ozzie understands. Barnwell's opinion was that only the dumb teams would overpay in this market. So no sooner does that piece hit the innerwebs than Kruger goes to our friends in Cleveland and Ellerbe gets somewhere around $7 million a year from Miami -- who also hurled tons of cash at Mike Wallace. I laughed.Even though we trust Ozzie not to overpay as a tried and true tactic, you have to wonder who the Ratbirds will line up at LBs this season. They did sign former Giant DL Chris Canty, though, which could be one of those under-the-radar moves that typically works out well for them. I don't know terms yet.
Ravens gave Chris Canty $8M over 3 years, with $2.8M guarantee. Total bargain. Reminds me of the Corey Redding signing from a few years ago, except Canty is better than Redding.Just shaking my head at the Ellerbe and Kruger deals - $75M ($35 and $40M, respectively) for guys who have combined for 21 NFL starts.All it takes is for one team to make what you consider a foolish offer - and then you either have to become as big a fool as they are, or let the player go and figure out a better way to spend your cap dollars. So tired of all the Baltimorons screaming today because Ozzie isn't as big a fool as Miami's front office.I heard Ellerbe said Ravens offered lowest deal of all interested teams. $4.5M a year compared to the Dolphins' offer of seven. Ravens also offered half the guaranteed money.As I've said before, the Ravens' research indicates that ILB is one of the positions drafted with greatest success among teams picking 24-32. I'm now kind of expecting that's what the Ravens will do to fill that ILB hole, along with picking up a steady veteran who will provide 80-90% of Ellerbe's production at about one-tenth the cap price.My other question is what are the Ravens going to do with the money they're saving. I know it's not going to sit in Bisciotti's pocket. Sign a Left Tackle? Extend Oher or someone else whose deal ends next year? A WR?
 
LOL

I'm beginning to think Ozzie is trolling Ravens fans: "I'm going to keep cutting guys until you stop complaining."

Vonta Leach, you might want to go ahead and swing by the facility to start packing stuff up.

 
Defensive departures/free agents at this point:

Ray Lewis - retired

Replacement - ?

Paul Kruger - CLE

Replacement - Courtney Upshaw

Dannell Ellerbe - MIA

Replacement - ?

Bernard Pollard - cut

Replacement - James Ihedigbo/ ?

Cary Williams - Free Agent

Replacement - Jimmy Smith and/or Lardarius Webb

Ed Reed - Free Agent

Replacement - ?

Maake Kemoeatu - Free Agent

Replacement - Terrence Cody (I guess, because he's terrible)

The Pollard move surprises me. Can't wait to see how it all unfolds. Baltimorons about to go into mass panic.

 

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