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[adonis]

For those who seriously think Obama should be the nominee, tell me why you think the Obama campaign is going to suddenly stop shooting itself in the foot on a weekly basis. Myself, I just don't see it. They are going to continue to say and do stupid things until McCain wins big. The heat is on Obama not because of Operation Chaos, or because of Hillary, or because of some vast right wing conspiracy. Its there because Obama is doing it to himself.

Perception is reality for you huh?Well, Obama's been the frontrunner for quite a while. When Hillary was the frontrunner, she was getting a lot of criticism. McCain has made quite a few slip-ups lately, under no pressure at all, but the media largely ignores it because the news story is obama and clinton, and obama as the frontrunner gets more attention and criticism.When McCain steps into the light, he will start getting heavy criticism. Slip ups regarding who is in iran, his ridiculous gas tax plan...it's going to be a new ball game when the light shifts just from democrats to McCain too. Remember the label "the liberal media", well, he betten have enjoyed his relaxing time, because they will soon be firing on all cylinders, right at mccain.

 

[cobalt_27]

For those who seriously think Obama should be the nominee, tell me why you think the Obama campaign is going to suddenly stop shooting itself in the foot on a weekly basis. Myself, I just don't see it. They are going to continue to say and do stupid things until McCain wins big. The heat is on Obama not because of Operation Chaos, or because of Hillary, or because of some vast right wing conspiracy. Its there because Obama is doing it to himself.

What did he do to shoot himself in the foot?

 

[skol asylum]

If there's ever a time for Howard Dean and a group of superdelegates to approach Clinton to try and persuade her to get out of the race it's now. Last night was bad for her even if the states split. She's for all intents and purposes done. It serves the Democrats no good purpose to go on to Kentucky, and later West Virginia, and watch someone who is all but eliminated from the nomination thump the presumptive nominee. These would be Clinton runaways on likely a larger scale than North Carolina was for Obama. Even as such, they won't change the outcome of the nomination. The party doesn't need to risk the media publicity around those contests. To me, this is a big test for party leaders.

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all. It just underlines how Obama is purely a regional candidate now, unable to win the white vote. Hillary's case is to say the delegate math is tainted because of the scandals. So you discard anything the delegate math says, and just look at how Obama is not reaching out beyond the democrat base.Its pretty easy to see that McCain will landslide over Obama, while Clinton has a strong chance to win in November. The democrat party shouldn't jump off a cliff just because the delegate math says so.

Obama won Indiana, a non-black state, with voters under age 65. He is not a regional candidate as much as you want to believe it. Just because you keep repeating this drivel doesn't make it reality.

 

[adonis]

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all.

Yeah, losing North Carolina by double digits is a victory.You should think about consulting with the Clinton campaign. Your type of twisted perception would fit in great there.

If the United States was 75% black, then his NC win was great. But that's not the country he's trying to win.

Blacks make up a significant portion of the country, and a significant portion of the democratic base. If he can win them in such huge numbers, and make inroads with whites once their apparently preferred candidate is gone, he will be in excellent shape.People need to learn how to read statistics, and learn to think of things dynamically. We're all too willing to take these numbers at face value, and extrapolate them into situations that they won't apply to in reality. I've said repeatedly that in this race, it's basically a choice between the BEST option and the next best option for many white democrats. They feel the best option is Hillary, but once she's gone, they will go to Obama. The primary thus far has been making a HUGE difference between two candidates that are fairly similar. In the general, there will ACTUALLY be a HUGE difference between Obama and McCain, one that is not currently harped on or highlighted for the democratic voters. Of course they have a more positive view of McCain, because he hasn't been taking heat, while Obama and HIllary have been under it constantly. But the pitch will be made, the drawing together of democratic voters will begin, and for the reasons they're democratic voters to begin with, they will side more with Obama's policies and character than McCain's.

 

[Pai Mei]

For those who seriously think Obama should be the nominee, tell me why you think the Obama campaign is going to suddenly stop shooting itself in the foot on a weekly basis. Myself, I just don't see it. They are going to continue to say and do stupid things until McCain wins big. The heat is on Obama not because of Operation Chaos, or because of Hillary, or because of some vast right wing conspiracy. Its there because Obama is doing it to himself.

Perception is reality for you huh?Well, Obama's been the frontrunner for quite a while. When Hillary was the frontrunner, she was getting a lot of criticism. McCain has made quite a few slip-ups lately, under no pressure at all, but the media largely ignores it because the news story is obama and clinton, and obama as the frontrunner gets more attention and criticism.When McCain steps into the light, he will start getting heavy criticism. Slip ups regarding who is in iran, his ridiculous gas tax plan...it's going to be a new ball game when the light shifts just from democrats to McCain too. Remember the label "the liberal media", well, he betten have enjoyed his relaxing time, because they will soon be firing on all cylinders, right at mccain.

Hey McCain might slip up once or twice. But I still want an explanation as to why anyone thinks Obama is about to suddenly stop shooting himself in the foot every week.

 

[JerseyEagles]

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all.

Yeah, losing North Carolina by double digits is a victory.You should think about consulting with the Clinton campaign. Your type of twisted perception would fit in great there.

If the United States was 75% black, then his NC win was great. But that's not the country he's trying to win.

The NC demographic isn't really a "big state" dynamic.

 

[Clayton Gray]

This mayor does not seem like the brightest bulb.

Listening to this guy is no great recommendation for Gary, Indiana.

Yeah it's a real shame to see Gary's reputation for good government take a hit like this.

 

[ElGatoLoco]

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all.

Yeah, losing North Carolina by double digits is a victory.You should think about consulting with the Clinton campaign. Your type of twisted perception would fit in great there.

If the United States was 75% black, then his NC win was great. But that's not the country he's trying to win.

I wasn't aware that NC was 75% black that you could make such a statement. My recollection is that it is about 20% black.

 

[Spiderman]

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all.

Yeah, losing North Carolina by double digits is a victory.You should think about consulting with the Clinton campaign. Your type of twisted perception would fit in great there.

If the United States was 75% black, then his NC win was great. But that's not the country he's trying to win.

Blacks make up a significant portion of the country, and a significant portion of the democratic base. If he can win them in such huge numbers, and make inroads with whites once their apparently preferred candidate is gone, he will be in excellent shape.People need to learn how to read statistics, and learn to think of things dynamically. We're all too willing to take these numbers at face value, and extrapolate them into situations that they won't apply to in reality.

I've said repeatedly that in this race, it's basically a choice between the BEST option and the next best option for many white democrats. They feel the best option is Hillary, but once she's gone, they will go to Obama.

The primary thus far has been making a HUGE difference between two candidates that are fairly similar. In the general, there will ACTUALLY be a HUGE difference between Obama and McCain, one that is not currently harped on or highlighted for the democratic voters. Of course they have a more positive view of McCain, because he hasn't been taking heat, while Obama and HIllary have been under it constantly.

But the pitch will be made, the drawing together of democratic voters will begin, and for the reasons they're democratic voters to begin with, they will side more with Obama's policies and character than McCain's.

We shall see on this. You have to be concerned that these are such large numbers saying they won't vote for the other candidate in the race.

 

[malice]

If Hillary drops out, I'm guessing she'll wait until late in the afternoon on Friday so it won't be able to be covered as heavy by the media (similar to when she released the tax returns).

If she doesn't drop out by Friday, I doubt she will. Once W.Virginia happens and she likely wins (and possibly by double digits), she will be back saying how that state was the gamechanger and that she can't back out. Again, it's up to the supers to #### or get off the pot and end this while her case is weakened.

 

[Clayton Gray]

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all.

You looking for one of these?

 

[adonis]

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all.

Yeah, losing North Carolina by double digits is a victory.You should think about consulting with the Clinton campaign. Your type of twisted perception would fit in great there.

If the United States was 75% black, then his NC win was great. But that's not the country he's trying to win.

Blacks make up a significant portion of the country, and a significant portion of the democratic base. If he can win them in such huge numbers, and make inroads with whites once their apparently preferred candidate is gone, he will be in excellent shape.People need to learn how to read statistics, and learn to think of things dynamically. We're all too willing to take these numbers at face value, and extrapolate them into situations that they won't apply to in reality.

I've said repeatedly that in this race, it's basically a choice between the BEST option and the next best option for many white democrats. They feel the best option is Hillary, but once she's gone, they will go to Obama.

The primary thus far has been making a HUGE difference between two candidates that are fairly similar. In the general, there will ACTUALLY be a HUGE difference between Obama and McCain, one that is not currently harped on or highlighted for the democratic voters. Of course they have a more positive view of McCain, because he hasn't been taking heat, while Obama and HIllary have been under it constantly.

But the pitch will be made, the drawing together of democratic voters will begin, and for the reasons they're democratic voters to begin with, they will side more with Obama's policies and character than McCain's.

We shall see on this. You have to be concerned that these are such large numbers saying they won't vote for the other candidate in the race.

Like I said, they're not faced with a real choice at this point. John McCain is just some guy who's on the other side, who's white, a war hero, and well respected.Once the general campaign starts rolling, they'll hear more about his plans, his policies, his stances, and they will NOT be happy. Sure, some will defect, but Obama should be able to overcome that with VERY strong AA support, and by pulling some independents and some republicans too.

When polling at the beginning of the race, all across america Clinton had huge numbers. As the campaign progressed, those numbers change. Every state Obama was behind in, nearly, for the first half to 3/4 of the contest, yet in many he fought back and many he won. Polls are passing sentiments, based on the present state of publicity, of the publics knowledge of the candidates, and as the information and public perception changes, so do the polls.

To take polls now of those things seriously, is silly imo, because McCain has not been challenged, he's not had his views looked at, few people seriously know all of what he stands for, there haven't been 21 debates between him and a democrat,...it's just WAYYY too early to take any of those results seriously about VAST numbers switching over.

 

[Pai Mei]

If Hillary drops out, I'm guessing she'll wait until late in the afternoon on Friday so it won't be able to be covered as heavy by the media (similar to when she released the tax returns).If she doesn't drop out by Friday, I doubt she will. Once W.Virginia happens and she likely wins (and possibly by double digits), she will be back saying how that state was the gamechanger and that she can't back out. Again, it's up to the supers to #### or get off the pot and end this while her case is weakened.

There's absolutely no reason for her to drop out. Every week the Obama campaign finds a new way to screw up. I think she might have accepted the veep back during the texas primary, when Obama's 11 primary winning streak was still fresh in mind. I doubt she accepts the veep now, tho. She thinks she can win the whole thing.

 

[the moops]

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all.

Yeah, losing North Carolina by double digits is a victory.You should think about consulting with the Clinton campaign. Your type of twisted perception would fit in great there.

If the United States was 75% black, then his NC win was great. But that's not the country he's trying to win.

I wasn't aware that NC was 75% black that you could make such a statement. My recollection is that it is about 20% black.

22%. But real numbers do not matter to pai.

 

[adonis]

If Hillary drops out, I'm guessing she'll wait until late in the afternoon on Friday so it won't be able to be covered as heavy by the media (similar to when she released the tax returns).If she doesn't drop out by Friday, I doubt she will. Once W.Virginia happens and she likely wins (and possibly by double digits), she will be back saying how that state was the gamechanger and that she can't back out. Again, it's up to the supers to #### or get off the pot and end this while her case is weakened.

Why would she drop out? She believes she's the best candidate, she has fairly strong support, and she wants to win more than anything else in the world. Why else did she stay with Bill other than to have this shot?The only way she drops out is if she gets a guarantee to be VP, and I don't think she's interested. She's already had that job for 8 years.

 

[adonis]

If Hillary drops out, I'm guessing she'll wait until late in the afternoon on Friday so it won't be able to be covered as heavy by the media (similar to when she released the tax returns).If she doesn't drop out by Friday, I doubt she will. Once W.Virginia happens and she likely wins (and possibly by double digits), she will be back saying how that state was the gamechanger and that she can't back out. Again, it's up to the supers to #### or get off the pot and end this while her case is weakened.

There's absolutely no reason for her to drop out. Every week the Obama campaign finds a new way to screw up. I think she might have accepted the veep back during the texas primary, when Obama's 11 primary winning streak was still fresh in mind. I doubt she accepts the veep now, tho. She thinks she can win the whole thing.

The only real negative for the Obama campaign was the Rev Wright issue, and that can HARDLY be considered a screw up. Aside from that, both campaigns have said silly things, had advisors say/do stupid stuff...but neither Obama nor Hillary has done major damage to their own campaigns. The "elitist" comments were as close as Obama came, and the sniper fire was as close as Hillary came, but Rev Wright far topped all of it.If not for Wright, I believe Obama would have the nomination already.

 

[Pai Mei]

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all.

Yeah, losing North Carolina by double digits is a victory.You should think about consulting with the Clinton campaign. Your type of twisted perception would fit in great there.

If the United States was 75% black, then his NC win was great. But that's not the country he's trying to win.

I wasn't aware that NC was 75% black that you could make such a statement. My recollection is that it is about 20% black.

22%. But real numbers do not matter to pai.

I never said NC was 75% black.

 

[Pai Mei]

The only real negative for the Obama campaign was the Rev Wright issue.

I completely disagree with that. If the democratic party believes that, and nominate Obama, then that's their mistake.My gut tells me the democrat party leadership are going to consider the scandal phase of Obama's campaign "closed" now that he has divorced himself from Wright and won in NC. In the next week or so, the focus will turn to all the dumb things Michelle Obama is saying and that might finally make the democrat party leadership seriously question the sanity of nominating Barack.

 

[GSteps]

Hey Hillary Clinton!

Now, on to the GE.

 

[urbanhack]

For those who seriously think Obama should be the nominee, tell me why you think the Obama campaign is going to suddenly stop shooting itself in the foot on a weekly basis. Myself, I just don't see it. They are going to continue to say and do stupid things until McCain wins big. The heat is on Obama not because of Operation Chaos, or because of Hillary, or because of some vast right wing conspiracy. Its there because Obama is doing it to himself.

Perception is reality for you huh?Well, Obama's been the frontrunner for quite a while. When Hillary was the frontrunner, she was getting a lot of criticism. McCain has made quite a few slip-ups lately, under no pressure at all, but the media largely ignores it because the news story is obama and clinton, and obama as the frontrunner gets more attention and criticism.

When McCain steps into the light, he will start getting heavy criticism. Slip ups regarding who is in iran, his ridiculous gas tax plan...it's going to be a new ball game when the light shifts just from democrats to McCain too. Remember the label "the liberal media", well, he betten have enjoyed his relaxing time, because they will soon be firing on all cylinders, right at mccain.

But I still want an explanation as to why anyone thinks Obama is about to suddenly stop shooting himself in the foot every week.

Please list the last 3 or 4 instances just for kicks.

 

[culdeus]

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all.

Yeah, losing North Carolina by double digits is a victory.You should think about consulting with the Clinton campaign. Your type of twisted perception would fit in great there.

If the United States was 75% black, then his NC win was great. But that's not the country he's trying to win.

Blacks make up a significant portion of the country, and a significant portion of the democratic base. If he can win them in such huge numbers, and make inroads with whites once their apparently preferred candidate is gone, he will be in excellent shape.People need to learn how to read statistics, and learn to think of things dynamically. We're all too willing to take these numbers at face value, and extrapolate them into situations that they won't apply to in reality.

I've said repeatedly that in this race, it's basically a choice between the BEST option and the next best option for many white democrats. They feel the best option is Hillary, but once she's gone, they will go to Obama.

The primary thus far has been making a HUGE difference between two candidates that are fairly similar. In the general, there will ACTUALLY be a HUGE difference between Obama and McCain, one that is not currently harped on or highlighted for the democratic voters. Of course they have a more positive view of McCain, because he hasn't been taking heat, while Obama and HIllary have been under it constantly.

But the pitch will be made, the drawing together of democratic voters will begin, and for the reasons they're democratic voters to begin with, they will side more with Obama's policies and character than McCain's.

We shall see on this. You have to be concerned that these are such large numbers saying they won't vote for the other candidate in the race.

Call it sugarcoating or whatever I don't buy these stats. The HRC supporter sees that the media is feeding on this little stat and now the average HRC voter knows that if polled the correct answer to the question is "no I won't vote for BO". This then gives the altered perception that he's a weaker candidate vis a vis her. I've said this perhaps 20x in this thread. The GE is a referendum on the war and whether "Bush" gets a 3rd term more or less. Now that the nomination process is almost assuredly over this will be the focus.

 

[malice]

If Hillary drops out, I'm guessing she'll wait until late in the afternoon on Friday so it won't be able to be covered as heavy by the media (similar to when she released the tax returns).If she doesn't drop out by Friday, I doubt she will. Once W.Virginia happens and she likely wins (and possibly by double digits), she will be back saying how that state was the gamechanger and that she can't back out. Again, it's up to the supers to #### or get off the pot and end this while her case is weakened.

Why would she drop out? She believes she's the best candidate, she has fairly strong support, and she wants to win more than anything else in the world. Why else did she stay with Bill other than to have this shot?The only way she drops out is if she gets a guarantee to be VP, and I don't think she's interested. She's already had that job for 8 years.

The only way I can see her finally seeing the writing on the wall is if the donations trickle down after last night. She knows her last straw is MI and FL and that's been beaten to death so much that it just looks desperate. At this point, she's going to end up working harder for votes that were cast months ago than ones that are viable going forward- and that's time, money, and effort wasted.

 

[malice]

I would really like to see a poll of polls of college campuses that have been involved in these primaries and caucuses and see what percentage of those voters would stay home if Obama doesn't get the nomination. I bet it's going to be higher than Hillary's 50% devoted fan base.

 

[adonis]

I don't think last night's results were bad for her at all.

Yeah, losing North Carolina by double digits is a victory.You should think about consulting with the Clinton campaign. Your type of twisted perception would fit in great there.

If the United States was 75% black, then his NC win was great. But that's not the country he's trying to win.

Blacks make up a significant portion of the country, and a significant portion of the democratic base. If he can win them in such huge numbers, and make inroads with whites once their apparently preferred candidate is gone, he will be in excellent shape.People need to learn how to read statistics, and learn to think of things dynamically. We're all too willing to take these numbers at face value, and extrapolate them into situations that they won't apply to in reality.

I've said repeatedly that in this race, it's basically a choice between the BEST option and the next best option for many white democrats. They feel the best option is Hillary, but once she's gone, they will go to Obama.

The primary thus far has been making a HUGE difference between two candidates that are fairly similar. In the general, there will ACTUALLY be a HUGE difference between Obama and McCain, one that is not currently harped on or highlighted for the democratic voters. Of course they have a more positive view of McCain, because he hasn't been taking heat, while Obama and HIllary have been under it constantly.

But the pitch will be made, the drawing together of democratic voters will begin, and for the reasons they're democratic voters to begin with, they will side more with Obama's policies and character than McCain's.

We shall see on this. You have to be concerned that these are such large numbers saying they won't vote for the other candidate in the race.

Call it sugarcoating or whatever I don't buy these stats. The HRC supporter sees that the media is feeding on this little stat and now the average HRC voter knows that if polled the correct answer to the question is "no I won't vote for BO". This then gives the altered perception that he's a weaker candidate vis a vis her. I've said this perhaps 20x in this thread. The GE is a referendum on the war and whether "Bush" gets a 3rd term more or less. Now that the nomination process is almost assuredly over this will be the focus.

I think it started off that way, but now that we're in what most consider to be a recession, it will be dual-focus. Economy and the war, and I think the economy trumps the war.With McCain's silly gas tax thing, and his statements about not understanding economics as well as he should, as well as the perception that he'll be a 3rd Bush term in Iraq, I think that many of Hillary's blue-collar supporters will go to Obama.

 

[adonis]

I would really like to see a poll of polls of college campuses that have been involved in these primaries and caucuses and see what percentage of those voters would stay home if Obama doesn't get the nomination. I bet it's going to be higher than Hillary's 50% devoted fan base.

Under 30 turnout is not very high to begin with, but yeah, it certainly would take a hit from the primaries if Hillary were the nominee.

 

[malice]

To quote Scooby-Doo: "Ruh roh"

http://www.boston.com/news/politics/politi...inton_loan.html

AP: Clinton loaned herself $6.4m

Email|Link|Comments (3) Posted by Scott Helman, Political Reporter May 7, 2008 09:43 AM

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Associated Press has confirmed this morning what many have been wondering in recent days: that Hillary Clinton, short on cash, long on debts, and facing a steep climb to the Democratic nomination, loaned herself another $6.4 million over the past month.

That brings to $11.4 million the amount of personal funds Clinton has put toward her campaign to date, though aides said donors had subsequently chipped in to cover the $5 million loan she made herself earlier this year. Barack Obama's fund-raising advantage left Clinton with little choice but to give herself money. The $6.4 million is likely to have helped her fund a rush of TV ads in Indiana and North Carolina in the closing days before yesterday's primaries.

Clinton made another explicit pitch for money in her speech last night, though it's unclear, given her underwhelming result last night, whether supporters will be eager to pony up once again. She has added a campaign stop in West Virginia today, but look for much of the media focus to be on Clinton's difficult days ahead and on growing calls for her to consider pulling the plug.

UPDATE: Clinton's communications director, Howard Wolfson, just said on MSNBC that the New York senator is "invested" in this race and may give even more down the road if the campaign needs the cash. "She certainly doesn't rule it out," Wolfson said.

Superdelegates really can't be encouraged by news like this.

 

[adonis]

No indeed.

The questions are:

Why can't Hillary Clinton make inroads in the black vote?

Coming off of her PA victory, why did she do so poorly in North Carolina, and why couldn't she win by a bigger margin in Indiana, considering all of the horrible press Obama's been getting regarding the Rev Wright issue? Why can't Hillary cut into Obama's lead?

Why does she have continued problems raising money? She's already lent her campaign millions of dollars just to stay competitive. Is this what a winning campaign does? Why the trouble having people believe in her campaign enough to continue to donate money?

 

[bigbottom]

Its pretty easy to see that McCain will landslide over Obama, while Clinton has a strong chance to win in November. The democrat party shouldn't jump off a cliff just because the delegate math says so.

What kind of a landslide are you thinking in terms of electoral votes?

 

[culdeus]

Using the current polls and some of the online tools the way I see it she'll need 80% of the total supers, not just the remaining supers to get the nomination without any shenanigans in florida/mich.

 

[Pai Mei]

I would really like to see a poll of polls of college campuses that have been involved in these primaries and caucuses and see what percentage of those voters would stay home if Obama doesn't get the nomination. I bet it's going to be higher than Hillary's 50% devoted fan base.

Under 30 turnout is not very high to begin with, but yeah, it certainly would take a hit from the primaries if Hillary were the nominee.

That's one of the big selling points for Hillary. Obama is attracting the black vote, but you can't the presidency on that alone. Obama also attracts the youth vote, but the youth vote is not considered a likely voter base. So its not as important that Obama attracts college-age voters.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

A few things:

CNN is painful to watch. Wolf Blitzer is borderline ######ed. I don’t get how he could not understand what the mayor of Gary, IN was saying. Absentee ballots are counted by hand after the polls are closed and the machine ballots are tallied. I know this because I did this in PA. My polling place only had 4 absentee ballots. The polls closed at 8pm and we didn’t post our results until around 10pm. That doesn’t mean the county or CNN would have had them at 10pm though. The mayor stated over and over that they were not reporting results from precincts until all the votes, including absentee, were counted. Being that there were over 11,000 votes to be counted by hand by people, that was going to take a while. Get over it Wolf!

Also, the Clinton supported with the glasses who was on via satellite is a whiny tool (for lack of a better word). He has nothing to say but pre-made talking points. The other Clinton supporters are much better. Also, Jamal the Obama supporter who has been with CNN the entire election is yet to say anything of substance either. I wish they had somebody else designated as the Obama supporter.

Obama was quite impressive last night. That speech was close to perfect for the moment. This was the Obama from Iowa. This was the Obama who won 12 states in a row. Obama nearly won Indiana. A state whose demographics favored Clinton. A state where Clinton had a 5 point lead just a little while ago. The state where the KKK began almost went for Obama even after phase II of Rev. Wright.

I also have to say that I have been impressed with Clinton over the last few weeks. Yes, there were several times where he tactics made me cringe, but she is a much better candidate and person than I gave her credit for. I wouldn’t have an issue at this point if she were VP. Hell, I would vote for her if somehow things worked out that she gained the nomination (unless it was some shady deal that doesn’t pass the smile test).

With that, I truly believe that the Democratic Party will come together in November. The difference between both democrats and McCain is huge. Obama won the Ind. vote again in Indiana. He has handily won states that will be up for grabs in November (VA, NC, GA, CO, IA). The national polls now are meaningless and so long as there isn’t some huge smoking gun that hasn’t come out yet, Obama will shine against McCain on the same stage. We all knew about Rev. Wright and these other "associates" coming into this thing.

Democrats have a choice right now between two good presidential candidates. Both can win in November. Both would be better than Bush and McCain for the country. The choice really is a choice for the direction and future of the party. Clinton, while a good candidate, will continue to do things in the same politics as usual way. The party will go through the same ups and downs and not hold on to those independent voters or the Rep. anti-bush vote that the party can get this election. With Obama as the nominee, the party has the opportunity to expand its base. Say what you will, but he does represent a change in direction of HOW politics is done. With an Obama presidency and the influx of energy into the party, the party as a whole will be better off in the long run and hopefully, in 2012 the campaigning itself has a new standard on both sides which is only good for the country, no matter who runs on the other side in 4 years (as long as it isn’t a Bush - the pseudo aristocracy must end).

 

[Pai Mei]

Its pretty easy to see that McCain will landslide over Obama, while Clinton has a strong chance to win in November. The democrat party shouldn't jump off a cliff just because the delegate math says so.

What kind of a landslide are you thinking in terms of electoral votes?

I already said a week or so ago I think McCain would beat Obama with 370 electoral votes give or take. Anywhere from 350-400.

 

[Voltaire]

Its pretty easy to see that McCain will landslide over Obama, while Clinton has a strong chance to win in November. The democrat party shouldn't jump off a cliff just because the delegate math says so.

What kind of a landslide are you thinking in terms of electoral votes?

I already said a week or so ago I think McCain would beat Obama with 370 electoral votes give or take. Anywhere from 350-400.

You do realize that 27% in NC and 23% in IN voted against McCain yesterday. That's not good. That's terrible. And that's without McCain being seriously attacked for months now. But everyother time Republicans have nominated someone because it was "their turn," it has always worked out great for them.

 

[cobalt_27]

For those who seriously think Obama should be the nominee, tell me why you think the Obama campaign is going to suddenly stop shooting itself in the foot on a weekly basis. Myself, I just don't see it. They are going to continue to say and do stupid things until McCain wins big. The heat is on Obama not because of Operation Chaos, or because of Hillary, or because of some vast right wing conspiracy. Its there because Obama is doing it to himself.

Perception is reality for you huh?Well, Obama's been the frontrunner for quite a while. When Hillary was the frontrunner, she was getting a lot of criticism. McCain has made quite a few slip-ups lately, under no pressure at all, but the media largely ignores it because the news story is obama and clinton, and obama as the frontrunner gets more attention and criticism.When McCain steps into the light, he will start getting heavy criticism. Slip ups regarding who is in iran, his ridiculous gas tax plan...it's going to be a new ball game when the light shifts just from democrats to McCain too. Remember the label "the liberal media", well, he betten have enjoyed his relaxing time, because they will soon be firing on all cylinders, right at mccain.

Hey McCain might slip up once or twice. But I still want an explanation as to why anyone thinks Obama is about to suddenly stop shooting himself in the foot every week.

You can't articulate with a straight face when/where these repeated shootings have occurred.Your obtuseness is particularly nimble in these threads.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Its pretty easy to see that McCain will landslide over Obama, while Clinton has a strong chance to win in November. The democrat party shouldn't jump off a cliff just because the delegate math says so.

What kind of a landslide are you thinking in terms of electoral votes?

I already said a week or so ago I think McCain would beat Obama with 370 electoral votes give or take. Anywhere from 350-400.

You've been predicting a conservative dynasty for 5-6 years now, despite overwhelming evidence that the country is going the other way.I'd love to see your firefox favicons.

 

[Pai Mei]

Its pretty easy to see that McCain will landslide over Obama, while Clinton has a strong chance to win in November. The democrat party shouldn't jump off a cliff just because the delegate math says so.

What kind of a landslide are you thinking in terms of electoral votes?

I already said a week or so ago I think McCain would beat Obama with 370 electoral votes give or take. Anywhere from 350-400.

You've been predicting a conservative dynasty for 5-6 years now, despite overwhelming evidence that the country is going the other way.I'd love to see your firefox favicons.

Actually for the past 5-6 years, I've said the nation is split and might need one more failure of a democrat president to finally be convinced to give the GOP a supermajority. In my mind I've always seen 1992 as a sort of pre-cursor. 1992 was the last time a democrat held the white house and congress at the same time. The results were so awful that it just took two years for the voters to do a total 180 in sentiment and sweep the GOP into power in 2004. I remember what we saw back in 1993 and 1994. We saw the democrats decide that the 92 election gave them a mandate to ignore the wishes of the people. Elitism to the max. And boy did that get rejected.

 

[urbanhack]

Its pretty easy to see that McCain will landslide over Obama, while Clinton has a strong chance to win in November. The democrat party shouldn't jump off a cliff just because the delegate math says so.

What kind of a landslide are you thinking in terms of electoral votes?

I already said a week or so ago I think McCain would beat Obama with 370 electoral votes give or take. Anywhere from 350-400.

You've been predicting a conservative dynasty for 5-6 years now, despite overwhelming evidence that the country is going the other way.I'd love to see your firefox favicons.

Actually for the past 5-6 years, I've said the nation is split and might need one more failure of a democrat president to finally be convinced to give the GOP a supermajority.

 

[flufhed]

And no Clinton as VP.If Obama has any backbone at all, in any way stands for what he says he stands for (which I believe he does) he will tell the supers to go #### themselves if they try to force him to put her on as VP. Not only is she the absolute ANTITHESIS of his professed new brand of politics, but she has crossed the line more than once in this campaign going after him. It would signal he is a typical politician that will do anything to get elected, that he wishes to embrace rather than reject the Clinton style of politics, and that he is a weak, sissy pushover who can't stand up for himself.I do not hate Hillary like some, but I honestly would feel like Obama is not qualified to be president if he bows to pressure to put Hillary on the ticket.Ambassador, possibly SCOTUS nominee. Fine. But not VP.

I was going to give you a goodposting until you added the part about putting Hillary on the Supreme Court. You're dead to me now.

 

[malice]

Anybody else think the current Hillary image on cnnpolitics.com looks a little too Hitler-esque?

Heil Hillary!

 

[Pai Mei]

Basically I think the public is looking to vote democrat because they are hoping for an improvement in the war on terror by changing horses, because they want the democrats to fight inflation, because they think big oil is taking advantage of them.

If the democrats take control of everything, everyone will get a tax hike. We'll see economic policies backfire as they try price controls that lead to massive shortages in gas, milk, etc. The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion, etc. By 2010, the public sentiment will swing towards the GOP like never before. The repubicans will sweep back into power in congress and Jeb Bush will be primed for his first term in 2012.

 

[flufhed]

Ambassador, possibly SCOTUS nominee. Fine. But not VP.

Ok, I take it back. What's a bone they could throw her between ambassador and supreme court?I actually think she would be a much better judge than a president. She is certainly smart, and well-versed in the law.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Ambassador, possibly SCOTUS nominee. Fine. But not VP.

Ok, I take it back. What's a bone they could throw her between ambassador and supreme court?I actually think she would be a much better judge than a president. She is certainly smart, and well-versed in the law.

AG?

 

[flufhed]

The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion

It's official. You have now completely lost your mind.

 

[flufhed]

Ambassador, possibly SCOTUS nominee. Fine. But not VP.

Ok, I take it back. What's a bone they could throw her between ambassador and supreme court?I actually think she would be a much better judge than a president. She is certainly smart, and well-versed in the law.

AG?

I was looking for something a little less political, but I guess that will work. AG it is.

 

[roadkill1292]

Basically I think the public is looking to vote democrat because they are hoping for an improvement in the war on terror by changing horses, because they want the democrats to fight inflation, because they think big oil is taking advantage of them.

If the democrats take control of everything, everyone will get a tax hike. We'll see economic policies backfire as they try price controls that lead to massive shortages in gas, milk, etc. The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion, etc. By 2010, the public sentiment will swing towards the GOP like never before. The repubicans will sweep back into power in congress and Jeb Bush will be primed for his first term in 2012.

This is who you're hanging your hat on next?

 

[Mark Davis]

Basically I think the public is looking to vote democrat because they are hoping for an improvement in the war on terror by changing horses, because they want the democrats to fight inflation, because they think big oil is taking advantage of them. If the democrats take control of everything, everyone will get a tax hike. We'll see economic policies backfire as they try price controls that lead to massive shortages in gas, milk, etc. The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion, etc. By 2010, the public sentiment will swing towards the GOP like never before. The repubicans will sweep back into power in congress and Jeb Bush will be primed for his first term in 2012.

Jeb Bush...won't ever happen. If the Democrats win in November, I have no idea who the Republican would be in 2012 (Romney running again?). But I'd bet my last dollar it won't be Jeb Bush. That name will still be poison in politics.

 

[commisholio]

This primary is over. Bring on McCain!

 

[djcolts]

Also, the Clinton supported with the glasses who was on via satellite is a whiny tool (for lack of a better word). He has nothing to say but pre-made talking points. The other Clinton supporters are much better.

Lanny Davis. And, yes, he was a tool last night.

 

[tommyGunZ]

Basically I think the public is looking to vote democrat because they are hoping for an improvement in the war on terror by changing horses, because they want the democrats to fight inflation, because they think big oil is taking advantage of them.

If the democrats take control of everything, everyone will get a tax hike. We'll see economic policies backfire as they try price controls that lead to massive shortages in gas, milk, etc. The democrats will try emergency countermeasures by heading for what they think are wedge issues like banning the Boy Scouts, eliminating Christmas, banning religion, etc. By 2010, the public sentiment will swing towards the GOP like never before. The repubicans will sweep back into power in congress and Jeb Bush will be primed for his first term in 2012.

BGP, I'm a big fan, but when you make absolutely ridiculous comments like this, you really appear to have lost touch with reality.I'm very much a leftist, but you don't see me making stupid comments like "the republicans will eliminate taxes altogether, enslave minorities, and end welfare". C'mon bro - let's at least stay in the real world. You can be conservative without sounding insane.

 

[The Juggernaut]

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