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Dont...believe...the....polls.Clinton was smacking Obama around in the polls, before he started campaigning against her. Obama hasn't even started running against McCain in any significant way. McCain has been coasting for months now.These polls are basically meaningless.
So right now, there is no evidence that the Dems are successfully tying McCain to Bush. He is doing way better than the party, in general, and way better than anyone expected at this point. Especially in the swing States.
It's May.
I'll take that as a concession on your part, to this point.
What part of "The campaign against McCain hasn't even started yet" is giving you trouble?There's a quote out recently, somewhere on FBG's, where one of McCain's advisors (I think), basically made a comment suggesting that part of McCain's policy is to extend what Bush did, and he said it in such a way that it'd be "Bush's 3rd term" or something similar. As of now, the polls with Obama vs McCain are meaningless, and ANYTHING dealing with the general election process, as far as polls, or what sticks or won't stick, is meaningless. It hasn't started yet.Obama will have no problem framing McCain as an extension of Bush's 2 terms. His stance on gas tax relief shows how little he understands the economy. McCain is not in a great position representing the party in power for the past 8 years that has a very low approval rating. It's just not a good spot to be in.But don't be fooled into thinking that any snapshot of public opinion at this stage of the game, dealing with Obama and McCain, will have any relation to how things will be in the general election campaign. The democrats aren't done running against each other yet.
It's not, but it's May.
"I voted for bush, and I enjoyed it"...love it.It's way too catchy not to end up as a t-shirt or campaign slogan, or a catch phrase delivered repeatedly in Obama's speeches.
I'd do it after the results of tomorrows election are in, as they're likely to be hugely in Clinton's favor. She'll enjoy some positive press from it. So, at that time, donations would go towards showing continued strong support for him.
I don't think it really matters at this point.
Didn't "hey I'm not that idiot George Bush you guys elected last time!" fail already?
Totally different candidate Chase. Obama and Kerry couldn't be much more different. Obama has personality.
I just don't understand why people get all caught up in this stuff. Nobody is going to change anything. It will be business as usual....why waste your time???NorvilleBarnes said:Perhaps your premise was wrong?That was my first question.If he's "just another politician," then how would you explain this thread being 206 pages long?I guess....he's just another politician...There's a campaign going on, stuff happens every day pretty much, people like to talk about it.Fo the life of me I cannot figure out why this thread is 206 pages long............
When I saw that interview, I was wondering what the hell he was doing. Obviously, he was responding to an accusation meant to undermine his Republican credentials, but he went way too far to defend himself. No need to gush over the guy with the 28% approval rating.adonis said:
Yeah, really, people who think McCain has seen ANYTHING yet in this election that's critical of him really have a surprise coming. There's a ton of stuff out there that has just been passed over because the democratic primary was more interesting.
One of the fascinations with Obama is that he's being packaged as NOT business as usual, the alternapolitician. Is that the reality? The intriguing/scary thing is that the only way to find out is to elect him.I'm leaning towards gambling on him rather than having to sit through more of the same with Clinton/McCain, but there's a ways to go yet, and threads like this produce some interesting info every now and then. So from my perspective I can see the 206+ pages.Hell it's better than another woztis thread.
That seems to be his speaking style - going over the edge to appear decisive or something. That's how we got the 100 year war quote. I would love to see Obama bait him at this during the debates.
It. doesn't. matter.
G State is like that cow who fights all the way to the slaughter house. Feisty and stubborn, yes. Delaying the inevitable, also yes. In touch with the reality of their situation, ummm no.
She'll probably get about 18-20 of them, and Obama will be just that much closer to the finish line with whatever he gets.He's only 33 away from having a majority of pledged delegates. After this, he'll definitely hit the majority mark next week with Oregon and Kentucky.All Hillary can hope for is to stay in the race long enough to have a shot at getting Michigan and Florida seated, and then get the majority of pledge delegates and super delegates from those states.
It WILL make a difference. Not for Obama vs. Clinton, that's already settled, but for Obama vs. McCain. If Clinton really wins by 40 points, it's a huge embarassmant to Obama. It paints him as weak. Don't make the mistake of discounting this.
West Virginia.Obama couls beat Hillary 100-0 and he'd still lose WV to McCain in the general.It WILL make a difference. Not for Obama vs. Clinton, that's already settled, but for Obama vs. McCain. If Clinton really wins by 40 points, it's a huge embarassmant to Obama. It paints him as weak. Don't make the mistake of discounting this.
That's not the point. The point is, if you're about to win the nomination, you don't want to go around losing states by a 40 point margin. It looks terrible. The press are anxious for a story, and they'll make a big deal out of it. Watch them.West Virginia.Obama couls beat Hillary 100-0 and he'd still lose WV to McCain in the general.It WILL make a difference. Not for Obama vs. Clinton, that's already settled, but for Obama vs. McCain. If Clinton really wins by 40 points, it's a huge embarassmant to Obama. It paints him as weak. Don't make the mistake of discounting this.
That's fine. It doesn't make a lick of difference. The media life cycle on something like this is about 48 hours. Then people move on.That's not the point. The point is, if you're about to win the nomination, you don't want to go around losing states by a 40 point margin. It looks terrible. The press are anxious for a story, and they'll make a big deal out of it. Watch them.West Virginia.Obama couls beat Hillary 100-0 and he'd still lose WV to McCain in the general.It WILL make a difference. Not for Obama vs. Clinton, that's already settled, but for Obama vs. McCain. If Clinton really wins by 40 points, it's a huge embarassmant to Obama. It paints him as weak. Don't make the mistake of discounting this.
He is supposed to get absolutely crushed in WV. Crushed. It looks appropriate.That's not the point. The point is, if you're about to win the nomination, you don't want to go around losing states by a 40 point margin. It looks terrible. The press are anxious for a story, and they'll make a big deal out of it. Watch them.West Virginia.Obama couls beat Hillary 100-0 and he'd still lose WV to McCain in the general.It WILL make a difference. Not for Obama vs. Clinton, that's already settled, but for Obama vs. McCain. If Clinton really wins by 40 points, it's a huge embarassmant to Obama. It paints him as weak. Don't make the mistake of discounting this.
Most people aren't paying attention to what is "supposed to happen." Most people will learn of this for the first time on Wednesday morning when they see the headline. And then they'll wonder if Obama is a weak candidate.He is supposed to get absolutely crushed in WV. Crushed. It looks appropriate.That's not the point. The point is, if you're about to win the nomination, you don't want to go around losing states by a 40 point margin. It looks terrible. The press are anxious for a story, and they'll make a big deal out of it. Watch them.West Virginia.Obama couls beat Hillary 100-0 and he'd still lose WV to McCain in the general.It WILL make a difference. Not for Obama vs. Clinton, that's already settled, but for Obama vs. McCain. If Clinton really wins by 40 points, it's a huge embarassmant to Obama. It paints him as weak. Don't make the mistake of discounting this.
Yes, most people who are exactly like the WV voters. :11:
They said that after Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania . . . Obama is still winning.Most people aren't paying attention to what is "supposed to happen." Most people will learn of this for the first time on Wednesday morning when they see the headline. And then they'll wonder if Obama is a weak candidate.He is supposed to get absolutely crushed in WV. Crushed. It looks appropriate.That's not the point. The point is, if you're about to win the nomination, you don't want to go around losing states by a 40 point margin. It looks terrible. The press are anxious for a story, and they'll make a big deal out of it. Watch them.West Virginia.Obama couls beat Hillary 100-0 and he'd still lose WV to McCain in the general.It WILL make a difference. Not for Obama vs. Clinton, that's already settled, but for Obama vs. McCain. If Clinton really wins by 40 points, it's a huge embarassmant to Obama. It paints him as weak. Don't make the mistake of discounting this.
Hillary will do that for them. Or other hard-working whites who really count.That's not the point. The point is, if you're about to win the nomination, you don't want to go around losing states by a 40 point margin. It looks terrible. The press are anxious for a story, and they'll make a big deal out of it. Watch them.West Virginia.Obama couls beat Hillary 100-0 and he'd still lose WV to McCain in the general.It WILL make a difference. Not for Obama vs. Clinton, that's already settled, but for Obama vs. McCain. If Clinton really wins by 40 points, it's a huge embarassmant to Obama. It paints him as weak. Don't make the mistake of discounting this.
Good point. I've noticed this too.
As ridiculous as this sounds without context - a 24 point loss wouldn't be that bad.
If whitey had paid attention in here earlier I had already professed my support for Obama.
"Obama will help make America more chocolate."
I'll go 62 - 34 - 4Clinton - Obama - Edwards (still on the ballot)bigbottom said:
