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Yeah, I'm not sure who that ad really targets. Seems like it would further alienate old folks and hill dwellers, while solidifying his control of college degree bearers and young people. Not a fan of that ad, really.Obama needs to keep hitting him on the economy without the other silliness."Still" ad
"Enough is enough!"
McCain not being able to e-mail . . . not using a computer . . . I thought Obama was fed up with all the pettiness of the campaign?
CHANGE
Internet ads are about trying to create buzz, talk and spread the videos via email. Those ads are more funny and edgy. I liked the ad, but I’m always looking for a good age joke.Yeah, I'm not sure who that ad really targets. Seems like it would further alienate old folks and hill dwellers, while solidifying his control of college degree bearers and young people. Not a fan of that ad, really.Obama needs to keep hitting him on the economy without the other silliness."Still" ad
"Enough is enough!"
McCain not being able to e-mail . . . not using a computer . . . I thought Obama was fed up with all the pettiness of the campaign?
CHANGE
I thought it was funny. Excellent use of old film of McCain in a bad jacket and big glassesInternet ads are about trying to create buzz, talk and spread the videos via email. Those ads are more funny and edgy. I liked the ad, but I’m always looking for a good age joke.Yeah, I'm not sure who that ad really targets. Seems like it would further alienate old folks and hill dwellers, while solidifying his control of college degree bearers and young people. Not a fan of that ad, really.Obama needs to keep hitting him on the economy without the other silliness."Still" ad
"Enough is enough!"
McCain not being able to e-mail . . . not using a computer . . . I thought Obama was fed up with all the pettiness of the campaign?
CHANGE
Yeah, it can really backfire on Obama: http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...t&p=9205803"Still" ad
"Enough is enough!"
McCain not being able to e-mail . . . not using a computer . . . I thought Obama was fed up with all the pettiness of the campaign?
CHANGE
You're confusing the term privileged for elitist again.privileged - born into a life of wealth and prosperity.
Listen, I'm trying to help. Obama is an elitist. The voters know it. If the democrats would not have been in denial about this, maybe they could have nominated Hillary. Maybe the dems could actually WIN an election once in a while. Trying to call McCain an elitist is not helping anyone. Its easy for the voters to see thru that lie.Hell the last time I listened to Air America, the host was trashing the middle class, calling them a bunch of losers that shouldn't vote, and also making fun of their religion and proudly boasting about his atheism. This party has SERIOUS attitude problems. Eat some humble pie, respect the middle class, and try to WIN for once.
I think this is a very good strategy for Obama surrogates to employ when debating their conservative counterpoints on these lying ads being released by the McCain campaign. State the fact in contrast to the ad's presentation, let the McCain supporter state a defense for the ad, and then press them to personally admit to agreeing that the ad is true. In an age where campaign are vying to become "known" due to their political skill and analysis, make them put their rep on the line knowing that everything is on the record. I have no doubt that most will continue to lie and talk around the point, but making it personal should at least cause a few to reconsider.
Its just sickening that the GOP has stooped this low. They get all up in arms about the pig and email comments, but what about this?
I don't think the word 'destroying' means what you think it means. Also, capitalizing something doesn't make it true.So, do Dems have attitude problems? Certain fringe liberals do, especially ones with a voice on the radio or TV. But you have to understand, so do Republicans. When most of you guys use the word 'liberal' as a derisive insult, you have zero capital to complain about people being 'elitist.' The smug knowledge that you are superior is not localized to the Democratic party, it's just OK for Republicans to do it for some reason. So congrats on your ability to be superior without repercussion. Go back to your one-hand surfing of the Palin thread.
I'm quite prescient.Clayton Gray said:
nice.
It worked for Bush 8 years ago.
LOL OBAMA denounces sleazy advertisements with a sleazy dishonest advertisement.
What's sleazy or dishonest about it?
I think they should be pounding this. The whole "what happened to John McCain" thing has legs IMO.
don't worry McCain already did that this morning talking about how the "fundementals of the economy are strong" and all.
It should be now, and should have been for a month THE SINGLE THEME OF THIS CAMPAIGN. The McCain of 2000 would have never supported or voted for the McCain of 2008. My god, they need to beat this like a drum until people get it. If you liked "Maverick McCain," that is not what you are getting in 2008.
WashingtonMonthly.com isn't part of CBS News?
I actually think Obama played this well. He's managed to let McCain let himself hang himself (and Palin) with a bunch of lies (which those in the media are actually calling lies themselve). That is a whole lot more powerful than some random ads/campaing narrative pushing the point when the media isn't picking up the meme. Hell just since the Gibson interview her (and McCain's) fav/unfav numbers are in a freefall. This election was always about who was going to end up with the Independant vote and McCain is slowly putting his foot in his mouth enough for it to matter in the election narrative (and he's been putting it in his mouth since Dec, so I think they were expecting it).Plus, I'm not completely sure that his recent bump isn't anything more than just an ordinary post convention bounce. In any case, statement's like his this morning won't help his cause.
The best way to damage your opponent is to attack his strength. McCain's strength is the "maverick" image but he's pretty much unassailable now on that issue because he picked Palin. His POW service is a strength but not his biggest. Trying to paint McCain as dishonorable might move the needle a bit. Its a much better idea than turning this into Palin vs Obama with McCain rising above the fray and into the White House, which is the trajectory we are on now.
1) WTF listens to Air America?2) Palin has it coming for trying to keep up this "Bridge to Nowhere" charade. Continuing to tout a well documented lie is a bad campaign strategy.
after being a POW and being a decorated war hero, dishonorable is the last word I'd use to describe mccain. attack him on the issues if you want. the wording is just poor judgement. much like the lipstick on a pig comment was also a poor choice of words given the political environment.
its sad when you hang your hat on something karl rove says
That is weird. I can't imagine either of them is doing any campaigning or running any ads there.From what I understand, they have a huge Jewish population in NY. Could Governor Palin's assertion that "we cannot stand in the way of Israel's right to defend itself" during the Gibson interview have anything to do with it? I know there were whispers that they weren't happy with Obama cozying up to Iran (talks without preconditions).
I'm not a NYer but as a member of the tribe I can tell you there's a big Jewish/Republican based contingency because the Republicans have historically been much more pro-Israel than the Democrats. Also the well off Jews lean Republican for personal finance reasons. I don't know the numbers off hand, but I would think the Jewish vote is near 50/50 between the two parties nationwide.
It is pretty funny on it's face, and I know I've been guilty of doing it also.It's easy for me to sit here and say "Obama should attack him on the economy and McCain should attack him on National Security", but both campaigns have people that get paid to ONLY figure out what would work in an election.I will say to both sides, don't underestimate the Obama campaign. It's one of the best run, most organized campaigns I've seen in 30 years.
Thanks Gr00v
Well, I take issue with the last line there a bit. I don't think the Obama campaign ran a particularly effective attack game against Hillary in the primaries. Her game was much better than Obama's...MUCH better.Obama out manuevered Hillary using the caucuses and primaries to get the MOST votes possible, making a win for her all but impossible. They outstrategized her, but they didn't out attack, or out PR her.Their weakness here shows as well.I think the recent events with the stock market, and the financial sector though, throw the ball squarely back into the Obama's court. This news, the stock market plunge, the big companies threatening to go under, all overshadow every other topic, and McCain is arguably weakest on this subject of the Economy. I think this offers Obama a huge advantage in the coming weeks, and if he can't convert this situation into a win for the Democrats, maybe he doesn't deserve the presidency.
Sorry...wasn't very clear. What I meant by my last comment was that in the primaries, Obama went with what he was given. He did a great job just letting Hillary bury herself. He wasn't really "on the attack" and he doesn't have to be here. The way they are handling this campaign is night/day difference and I don't understand why. This time around they've picked some very bizarre talking points and seem to be pressing instead of just letting the campaign come to them. If they allow the campaign come to them, all the things I listed above are things they could use. Just seems like they are off a bit.
This is already done.
