*** OFFICIAL *** Baseball Offseason Moves (2006-07)... (1 Viewer)

[Funkley]

I wouldnt mind the Yankees signing Hillenbrand to play 1B but who knows how much ####### money he wants.

I sorta wish the Twins would sign him to DH but you're right about the $$$.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Final post on this......I posted this on another board and I think it is a valid argument......

What if, just for the sake of argument, Meche becomes a decent SP...I am talking 3.7-ish ERA, throws 180 innings and is relatively injury-free?

Would it still be a bad move? Probably not.

The point is, that too many times, armchair GMs on message boards think they know more than a real GM. What is to say meche doesn't rebound back to pre-2000 form.............

[waits for answer]

That is right, there is nothing to say that he does or he doesn't. So why don't you hold off on crapping or applauding every deal 5 minutes after it happens.

The same reasons we don't need to find out about a chick's personality before rubbing one out to her picture.1. It would be much less fun

2. Some things are just obvious by looking at the naked, sweaty picture and no amount of airbrushing is going to make it better.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Since someone asked.....

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/gil-meche.shtml

3.78 ERA in 2000.....if he is THAT SP again, the signing is fine.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Final post on this......I posted this on another board and I think it is a valid argument......What if, just for the sake of argument, Meche becomes a decent SP...I am talking 3.7-ish ERA, throws 180 innings and is relatively injury-free?Would it still be a bad move? Probably not.The point is, that too many times, armchair GMs on message boards think they know more than a real GM. What is to say meche doesn't rebound back to pre-2000 form.............[waits for answer]That is right, there is nothing to say that he does or he doesn't. So why don't you hold off on crapping or applauding every deal 5 minutes after it happens.

I don't think it's that bad of a deal for them given the current realities of the market. And if he comes close to hitting the numbers you post he can be a solid anchor for the team.

 

[Sammy3469]

Well, KC cannot win either way maybe the solution is to close up shop until they don't suck? What do you want them to do? Putting the money in scouting is all well and good and I think the new GM is on his way to doing that, but to tell a team that they should not be signing FA's is asanine.

Do you all realize that KC's payroll has been 1/2 of that of even the Cardinals most seasons? Saving money is what has HURT this team and city for the last 10 years.

It just seems like KC doesn't have a plan when they throw ace money to a #4 starter. There are better gambles. Hell, even throwing an $11mil contract at Bonds to have him be your full time DH would be a better gamble. He'll sell tickets, he'll break the HR record wearing a KC cap, and he might help you win some games. KC would be on a lot of sportscenter highlights, etc. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Tell me KC couldn't promote the hell out of having a hall of fame player in their lineup every night.

To be fair he wouldve gotten that kind of money from another team (not saying it wouldnt have been a mistake)

Yeah, but if the Yankees sign him for that and he never pitches an inning, NY won't feel the bite. If the same thing happens in KC, it would be devastating for them.The blueprints are there for KC to be a successful franchise. The Twins and A's manage to be in the hunt for a post season berth every season, with small payrolls. Heck, even look at a team like the Marlins. They go for broke every 5 years and win a championship. Or Cleveland, that grows their own talent and signs it long term. There are several plans out there for them to choose from. If a small market team like KC takes the plan of a team like the Cubs, they're doomed.

A do agree here for the most part....s I have another question for the masses who hate the Meche deal....Did you all crap on the Bannister deal also? Because I was happy with the deal.

What did you think the deal getting Tyler Lumbsden for Macdougal?

We also have acquired Huber, Teahan, Shealy and others via trade.

I would really like to hear honest assessments, because IIRC, many of thsoe moves were deemed as stupid and short-sighted by many people.

I think the Bannister deal was fine, as was the Lumbsden one...But the thing is, they are low risk deals with decent potential reward for the Royals...The Meche signing almost cannot help but strangle the team...

In order to be "worth" his money, he has to significantly outperform his entire resume to date...That just doesn't happen too frequently with 800 major league innings uner his belt...

For a team with the limited resources of the Royals to tie up this much $$ in Meche is just awful, there's no other way around it...

This signing will remove any flexibility they have for the length of the deal...

Well it doesn't really cripple them until 3 years from now since next year's FA class is about as poor as this one. Concievably Meche could be good one of the next two years and be above average trade fodder. Whether that option is worth the money they gave him is another matter, but I don't think it's a harrible bet to make at this point. They basically have to spend some money, so you may as well do it on a relatively young SP who should maintain his trade value going forward.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Final post on this......I posted this on another board and I think it is a valid argument......What if, just for the sake of argument, Meche becomes a decent SP...I am talking 3.7-ish ERA, throws 180 innings and is relatively injury-free?

What if all of that? 11-13

 

[Funkley]

Since someone asked.....

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/gil-meche.shtml

3.78 ERA in 2000.....if he is THAT SP again, the signing is fine.

So 1 nice season out of 5 would make you happier n' hell? Or are you saying he could repeat that performance 5 times?

 

[Tremendous Upside]

Since someone asked.....

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/gil-meche.shtml

3.78 ERA in 2000.....if he is THAT SP again, the signing is fine.

Well that was in 2000, not pre-2000...And it was in a whopping 85 IP...

So you are basing your analysis on 85 innings pitched 6 years ago and not the 425+ that have been pitched since...

Look, I don't think anyone here has anything against Gil Meche or the Royals....

It just looks like an AWFUL deal...

 

[Yankee23Fan]

For a team with the limited resources of the Royals to tie up this much $$ in Meche is just awful, there's no other way around it...This signing will remove any flexibility they have for the length of the deal...

The Royals DO NOT have limited resources. They have a cheap owner, who has never spent any money. KC had one of the highest payrolls in MLB until 1995, when Ewing Kaufman died....they left it to Glass and he promptly traded David Cone...Glass has the money, it is just that he is cheap. That is what you will hear from any KC fan. We could have paid Damon, Dye, Beltran, etc but we CHOSE not to.

And resources aren't so limited by rule now. The CBA requires them to spend the shared money now. So they have to use it. If the Royals have $10 million they have to spend, and need a SP, and the only one out there that willing to sign is Mech for $10 million, then you do it.Yes they could use more then one guy, but the market isn't giving you multiple guys for that same amount of money.

 

[Funkley]

Final post on this......I posted this on another board and I think it is a valid argument......

What if, just for the sake of argument, Meche becomes a decent SP...I am talking 3.7-ish ERA, throws 180 innings and is relatively injury-free?

Would it still be a bad move? Probably not.

The point is, that too many times, armchair GMs on message boards think they know more than a real GM. What is to say meche doesn't rebound back to pre-2000 form.............

[waits for answer]

That is right, there is nothing to say that he does or he doesn't. So why don't you hold off on crapping or applauding every deal 5 minutes after it happens.

So you want us to not discuss things on a message board? Interesting.

We need an 'irony' smiley.

 

[Funkley]

For a team with the limited resources of the Royals to tie up this much $$ in Meche is just awful, there's no other way around it...

This signing will remove any flexibility they have for the length of the deal...

The Royals DO NOT have limited resources. They have a cheap owner, who has never spent any money. KC had one of the highest payrolls in MLB until 1995, when Ewing Kaufman died....they left it to Glass and he promptly traded David Cone...Glass has the money, it is just that he is cheap. That is what you will hear from any KC fan. We could have paid Damon, Dye, Beltran, etc but we CHOSE not to.

And resources aren't so limited by rule now. The CBA requires them to spend the shared money now. So they have to use it. If the Royals have $10 million they have to spend, and need a SP, and the only one out there that willing to sign is Mech for $10 million, then you do it.

Yes they could use more then one guy, but the market isn't giving you multiple guys for that same amount of money.

I'm gonna need to see the details on this. Half of the MLB is sitting on their hands.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

What will you all say if Dotel/Gagne (FA) and Lieber (possible trade) come here....will those be mistakes too?????

Depends on what they pay them. This isn't difficult. at a KC fan screaming East Coast bias. There's no bias, your team just sucks.

And they are trying to fix it buddy....and there is an east coast bias.

What is there to be biased about? People tend to be biased towards teams that are good. Nobody is sitting around screaming about Temple football or the Columbus Blue Jackets.Hey man I really hate those Royals...they took one out of four from the Sox this week.

Yea ### #### them, I'm going to move them down in my power rankings this week.

Well...they're already 30th dude.

 

[commisholio]

I wouldnt mind the Yankees signing Hillenbrand to play 1B but who knows how much ####### money he wants.

Hillenbrand sucks. You don't want him.

 

[Statorama]

Well, KC cannot win either way maybe the solution is to close up shop until they don't suck? What do you want them to do? Putting the money in scouting is all well and good and I think the new GM is on his way to doing that, but to tell a team that they should not be signing FA's is asanine.

Do you all realize that KC's payroll has been 1/2 of that of even the Cardinals most seasons? Saving money is what has HURT this team and city for the last 10 years.

It just seems like KC doesn't have a plan when they throw ace money to a #4 starter. There are better gambles. Hell, even throwing an $11mil contract at Bonds to have him be your full time DH would be a better gamble. He'll sell tickets, he'll break the HR record wearing a KC cap, and he might help you win some games. KC would be on a lot of sportscenter highlights, etc. That's the kind of thing I'm talking about. Tell me KC couldn't promote the hell out of having a hall of fame player in their lineup every night.

To be fair he wouldve gotten that kind of money from another team (not saying it wouldnt have been a mistake)

Yeah, but if the Yankees sign him for that and he never pitches an inning, NY won't feel the bite. If the same thing happens in KC, it would be devastating for them.The blueprints are there for KC to be a successful franchise. The Twins and A's manage to be in the hunt for a post season berth every season, with small payrolls. Heck, even look at a team like the Marlins. They go for broke every 5 years and win a championship. Or Cleveland, that grows their own talent and signs it long term. There are several plans out there for them to choose from. If a small market team like KC takes the plan of a team like the Cubs, they're doomed.

A do agree here for the most part....s I have another question for the masses who hate the Meche deal....Did you all crap on the Bannister deal also? Because I was happy with the deal.

What did you think the deal getting Tyler Lumbsden for Macdougal?

We also have acquired Huber, Teahan, Shealy and others via trade.

I would really like to hear honest assessments, because IIRC, many of thsoe moves were deemed as stupid and short-sighted by many people.

Shealy was a steal and after almost ruining Teahan they got lucky that he rebounded and had a nice season. Burgos was a headcase but he's got an amazing arm. Bannister can't break glass with his fastball and will get ##### slapped playing against the AL Central. Trading a legit arm for average is always bad for a team re-building. I'm not a big fan of Burgos but Bannister is the suck. Poor use of assets there.

I'm a big fan of Shealy as well. He could easily have a Will Clark type of career.

 

[Funkley]

I wouldnt mind the Yankees signing Hillenbrand to play 1B but who knows how much ####### money he wants.

Hillenbrand sucks. You don't want him.

I like him more than Rondell White.

 

[Statorama]

For a team with the limited resources of the Royals to tie up this much $$ in Meche is just awful, there's no other way around it...

This signing will remove any flexibility they have for the length of the deal...

The Royals DO NOT have limited resources. They have a cheap owner, who has never spent any money. KC had one of the highest payrolls in MLB until 1995, when Ewing Kaufman died....they left it to Glass and he promptly traded David Cone...Glass has the money, it is just that he is cheap. That is what you will hear from any KC fan. We could have paid Damon, Dye, Beltran, etc but we CHOSE not to.

And resources aren't so limited by rule now. The CBA requires them to spend the shared money now. So they have to use it. If the Royals have $10 million they have to spend, and need a SP, and the only one out there that willing to sign is Mech for $10 million, then you do it.

Yes they could use more then one guy, but the market isn't giving you multiple guys for that same amount of money.

I'm gonna need to see the details on this. Half of the MLB is sitting on their hands.

Yeah, I don't think the Pirates have spent a penny.Edit: signed Damaso Marte to a 2 year deal.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

I'm gonna need to see the details on this. Half of the MLB is sitting on their hands.

I've been looking for it since I heard it on WFAN. Here are the snippets of the new CBA:Summary of MLBPA-Major League Baseball Labor Agreement

Term

1. Five-year labor contract.

2. Termination date - December 11, 2011.

Revenue Sharing

1. Net transfer of revenue sharing plan will be the same as the current plan ($326 million in 2006). Net transfer amounts will continue to grow with revenue and changes in disparity.

2. Marginal tax rates for all recipients are reduced significantly through the use of a new central fund redistribution mechanism. Rates reduced to 31% from 40% (high revenue Clubs) and 48% (low revenue Clubs) under old agreement.

3. All Clubs face the same marginal rate for first time.

4. Commissioner's Discretionary Fund will continue at $10 million per year, with cap of $3 million per Club per year.

5. Provision requiring revenue sharing recipients to spend receipts to improve on-field performance retained with modifications.

Competitive Balance Tax

1. Competitive Balance Tax structure from 2002 agreement is continued.

2. Rates will continue at 22 ½ % for Clubs over the threshold the first time, 30% for Clubs over the threshold the second time and 40% for Clubs over threshold the third time. 3. Clubs that paid 40% in 2006 will face 40% rate in 2007.

4. Thresholds reset to $148 million in 2007, $155 million in 2008, $162 million in 2009, $170 million in 2010 and $178 million in 2011.

The Debt Service Rule

1. The Debt Service Rule from 2002 agreement retained with modifications.

Amateur Draft

1. Clubs that fail to sign first or second round draft pick will receive the same pick in the subsequent draft as compensation. Club that fails to sign a third round pick will receive a sandwich pick between rounds three and four in the subsequent draft as compensation.

2. Period of time before a Player must be protected from the Rule 5 Draft is changed from three or four years from first minor league season to four or five years from year of signing.

3. Signing deadline of August 15 for draft picks other than college seniors.

Draft Choice Compensation

1. Type C free agents eliminated in 2006

2. Also in 2006, compensation for type B players becomes indirect (sandwich pick) as opposed to direct compensation from signing Club.

3. Effective 2007, Type A players limited to top 20 percent of each position (down from 30 percent) and Type B players become 21 percent - 40 percent at each position (rather than 31 percent - 50 percent).

4. Salary arbitration offer and acceptance dates move to December 1 and December 7.

Benefit Plan

1. Players Benefit Plan continued with maximum allowable benefit under IRS rules.

2. $154.5 million average annual contribution.

3. Improved benefits for some retired players.

Minimum Salary

1. Major League: $380,000 in 2007, $390,000 in 2008 and $400,000 in 2009, COLA in 2011.

2. Minor League: $60,000 in 2007, $62,500 in 2008, $65,000 in 2009.

3. New minimum for first time roster players of 50% of minor league minimum.

4. Maximum cut rule applicable to split contracts reduced to 60% from 80%.

Free Agency

1. Eliminate December 7, December 19, January 8 and May 1 deadlines for free agents.

2. Tender Date - December 12

3. Eliminate right to demand a trade for all new multi-year contracts.

Other

1. Home-field advantage in World Series to League that wins the All-Star Game.

2. Drug program continues.

3. Settlement of 40 plus grievances and disputes.

4. No contraction during term of agreement.

______________

I think the bolded part in one is where the change is. The old agreement gave the front office oversight into the revenue sharing but I'm pretty sure people considered it weak and no one really did it. I think the "modification" spoken of is tougher oversight to ensure revenue sharing money itself is spent.

I could be wrong. Like I said, I've been looking.

 

[shadyridr]

I wouldnt mind the Yankees signing Hillenbrand to play 1B but who knows how much ####### money he wants.

Hillenbrand sucks. You don't want him.

Hes much better than Andy Phillips and Josh Phelps

 

[Funkley]

5. Provision requiring revenue sharing recipients to spend receipts to improve on-field performance retained with modifications.

I suppose it's likely that the Twins, for example, will meet the requirement by simply signing Morneau, Mauer and Cuddyer to contract extensions. I am surprised though. I would've thought that a provision requiring the Twins to spend would be big news here given Mr. Pohlad's ### puckering everytime he spends a nickel.

 

[commisholio]

I wouldnt mind the Yankees signing Hillenbrand to play 1B but who knows how much ####### money he wants.

Hillenbrand sucks. You don't want him.

I like him more than Rondell White.

Talk about damning with faint praise. He's a slightly-below league average hitter, which can be useful, I guess.

 

[ThisGuy]

1-week and counting until the D-Mat deadline...

 

[pettifogger]

Meche to the Royals. 5 yrs, $55 million.

Wow.

This is why teams like the Royals stay in the cellar forever. That's essentially the same contract that AJ Burnett is playing under IIRC ($11mil per). AJ > Gil. Is it THAT hard to get guys to come play in KC? Does Gil Meche @ 11 mil per really excite the KC faithful?

Spend 11 million on your scouting system and produce some actual players, and not simply just depend on getting a top ten slot in the draft every year.

This is Derrek Bell signing with the Pirates all over again.

Sorry for the KC fans, but this signing is the worst of the offseason...done by a team in desperate need of talent.

Glad I can take your hard hitting opinion to the bankthe fact is that NO ONE will say ANYTHING good about KC until they make the postseason. the east coast media doesn't care what happens here. KC could go and get Zito and people would say it was a bad signing.

Spending just to spend is hardly a defendable position. Sorry but Meche sucks. Take that money and throw it back into scouting. Send it to your season ticket holders as a rebate. Throw it into the streets of Kansas City. But giving it to Gil Meche is just insane. Credibility is also a factor in trying to get people to take your organization seriously. Moves like this aren't helping.

He's no worse than Padilla or Maddux (at this point) or Eaton or Lilly. If nothing else it's a start...plus if he's as average as everyone thinks, they can always trade him down the line since SP is always at a premium at the deadline.

Is this a fair comparison?Maddux > Lilly > Meche > Eaton > Padilla

I'd go with: Maddux > Lilly> Padilla > Meche > Eaton

Some quick numbers. AGE: Maddux 40, Lilly 30, Padilla and Eaton 29, Meche 28. Maddux was not going to move to KC at any price probably.

OPS given up to opposing hitters, last year and career:

Meche 766/767

Maddux 720/639(!)

Lilly 762/755

Padilla 755/744

Eaton 847 (yuk)/753

The top 4 had 32-34 starts last year, the range is 181 to 210 IP. Eaton had 13 starts, 65 IP.

Basically Meche, Lilly and Padilla are similar talents.

I don't particularly like the signing for KC, but in their defense this is supposed to stabilize 1/5 of the rotation and they had to pay extra, just like Detroit did a couple of years ago, to get established players to go to a perenially losing team. It's true they need to rebuild with youth but in the meantime they are selling tickets this year and have to get some major leaguers, even average major leaguers, to stabilize the rotation.

BTW here are the K/9 for Jason Schmidt over the last 3 years when he was 31, 32 and 33 years old -- 10.04, 8.63, 7.59. Not a promising trend.

 

[Capella]

Well that was in 2000, not pre-2000...And it was in a whopping 85 IP...So you are basing your analysis on 85 innings pitched 6 years ago and not the 425+ that have been pitched since...

yes, but if THAT'S the Gil Meche that shows up, then the deal looks great.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Well that was in 2000, not pre-2000...And it was in a whopping 85 IP...So you are basing your analysis on 85 innings pitched 6 years ago and not the 425+ that have been pitched since...

yes, but if THAT'S the Gil Meche that shows up, then the deal looks great.

Are you just a bitter D-Rays fan who is pissed that the other crap AL team is getting better? I don't get all the venom directed at me. I have an opinion, as do you. No need to talk down to me or mock me.

 

[commisholio]

Meche to the Royals. 5 yrs, $55 million.

Wow.

This is why teams like the Royals stay in the cellar forever. That's essentially the same contract that AJ Burnett is playing under IIRC ($11mil per). AJ > Gil. Is it THAT hard to get guys to come play in KC? Does Gil Meche @ 11 mil per really excite the KC faithful?

Spend 11 million on your scouting system and produce some actual players, and not simply just depend on getting a top ten slot in the draft every year.

This is Derrek Bell signing with the Pirates all over again.

Sorry for the KC fans, but this signing is the worst of the offseason...done by a team in desperate need of talent.

Glad I can take your hard hitting opinion to the bankthe fact is that NO ONE will say ANYTHING good about KC until they make the postseason. the east coast media doesn't care what happens here. KC could go and get Zito and people would say it was a bad signing.

Spending just to spend is hardly a defendable position. Sorry but Meche sucks. Take that money and throw it back into scouting. Send it to your season ticket holders as a rebate. Throw it into the streets of Kansas City. But giving it to Gil Meche is just insane. Credibility is also a factor in trying to get people to take your organization seriously. Moves like this aren't helping.

He's no worse than Padilla or Maddux (at this point) or Eaton or Lilly. If nothing else it's a start...plus if he's as average as everyone thinks, they can always trade him down the line since SP is always at a premium at the deadline.

Is this a fair comparison?Maddux > Lilly > Meche > Eaton > Padilla

I'd go with: Maddux > Lilly> Padilla > Meche > Eaton

Some quick numbers. AGE: Maddux 40, Lilly 30, Padilla and Eaton 29, Meche 28. Maddux was not going to move to KC at any price probably.

OPS given up to opposing hitters, last year and career:

Meche 766/767

Maddux 720/639(!)

Lilly 762/755

Padilla 755/744

Eaton 847 (yuk)/753

The top 4 had 32-34 starts last year, the range is 181 to 210 IP. Eaton had 13 starts, 65 IP.

Basically Meche, Lilly and Padilla are similar talents.

I don't particularly like the signing for KC, but in their defense this is supposed to stabilize 1/5 of the rotation and they had to pay extra, just like Detroit did a couple of years ago, to get established players to go to a perenially losing team. It's true they need to rebuild with youth but in the meantime they are selling tickets this year and have to get some major leaguers, even average major leaguers, to stabilize the rotation.

BTW here are the K/9 for Jason Schmidt over the last 3 years when he was 31, 32 and 33 years old -- 10.04, 8.63, 7.59. Not a promising trend.

Just another from pettifogger.

 

[Tough As Nails]

I have an opinion, as do you. No need to talk down to me or mock me.

New here?

 

[tommyGunZ]

Well that was in 2000, not pre-2000...And it was in a whopping 85 IP...So you are basing your analysis on 85 innings pitched 6 years ago and not the 425+ that have been pitched since...

yes, but if THAT'S the Gil Meche that shows up, then the deal looks great.

Are you just a bitter D-Rays fan who is pissed that the other crap AL team is getting better? I don't get all the venom directed at me. I have an opinion, as do you. No need to talk down to me or mock me.

I've never read a post from Capella that didn't mock someone. But straight up dude, Gil Meche is doo-doo, and you just made him the biggest FA prize in KC history. If I was a Royals fan, I'd be ordering the Extra Innings 2007 package and jumping on another bandwagon. This signing only signals that things are going to get worse in KC before they get better. Something most of us didn't think was possible.

 

[Capella]

Well that was in 2000, not pre-2000...And it was in a whopping 85 IP...So you are basing your analysis on 85 innings pitched 6 years ago and not the 425+ that have been pitched since...

yes, but if THAT'S the Gil Meche that shows up, then the deal looks great.

Are you just a bitter D-Rays fan who is pissed that the other crap AL team is getting better? I don't get all the venom directed at me. I have an opinion, as do you. No need to talk down to me or mock me.

Getting better? I have news for you ... your team is getting worse, guy. Meche is garbage, that's all we're trying to get across.I'm not bitter at all. Crawford, Baldelli, Kazmir, Young, Upton, Longoria, Niemann, etc etc etc. Rays have a much brighter future than a lot of teams.

 

[Capella]

I've never read a post from Capella that didn't mock someone.

 

[the moops]

Well that was in 2000, not pre-2000...And it was in a whopping 85 IP...So you are basing your analysis on 85 innings pitched 6 years ago and not the 425+ that have been pitched since...

yes, but if THAT'S the Gil Meche that shows up, then the deal looks great.

Are you just a bitter D-Rays fan who is pissed that the other crap AL team is getting better? I don't get all the venom directed at me. I have an opinion, as do you. No need to talk down to me or mock me.

Getting better? I have news for you ... your team is getting worse, guy. Meche is garbage, that's all we're trying to get across.I'm not bitter at all. Crawford, Baldelli, Kazmir, Young, Upton, Longoria, Niemann, etc etc etc. Rays have a much brighter future than a lot of teams.

Meche may be garbage, but, unfortunately for KC fans, he had a better year last year, ERA+ 97, than any starting pitcher on their staff.So, it actually looks like the team has gotten better with the signing of Meche. However, when Gil Meche looks like he may be the ace of your staff, well...you got problems.

 

[Statorama]

Let the Meche for Manny rumors begin.

 

[Kevin Ashcraft]

Sox Lose Out on Dotel

Because KC is set to sign him

 

[Michael Brown]

Bonds returns to Giants for one year at $16 mil.

 

[Statorama]

Bonds returns to Giants for one year at $16 mil.

Best thing for all involved.Well, except me. I wish he had signed with the Ham Fighters in the Japan League.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Bonds returns to Giants for one year at $16 mil.

Sabian's a moron. That's $10 million too much - and ESPN was saying that there is an additional $4 million in incentives to hit. No reason they needed to give him this much.

 

[Funkley]

Sox Lose Out on Dotel

Because KC is set to sign him

I like it a lot more than Meche.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

Sox Lose Out on Dotel

Because KC is set to sign him

I like it a lot more than Meche.

I like that for the Royals. Still think they should go hard after Gagne as well.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Bonds returns to Giants for one year at $16 mil.

Sabian's a moron. That's $10 million too much - and ESPN was saying that there is an additional $4 million in incentives to hit. No reason they needed to give him this much.

The Giants actually do have a need for Bonds. They aren't a dynamic team, they lost their best pitcher, and they need to fill up that stadium every day to pay for the debt incurred to build it. Bonds does that. I'm not saying I would have paid him $16 mil, but having Barry on-board and as happy as Barry's capable of being benefits them greatly.

 

[Bogart]

Bonds returns to Giants for one year at $16 mil.

Sabian's a moron. That's $10 million too much - and ESPN was saying that there is an additional $4 million in incentives to hit. No reason they needed to give him this much.

The Giants actually do have a need for Bonds. They aren't a dynamic team, they lost their best pitcher, and they need to fill up that stadium every day to pay for the debt incurred to build it. Bonds does that. I'm not saying I would have paid him $16 mil, but having Barry on-board and as happy as Barry's capable of being benefits them greatly.

Agreed. If anything every game after he hits number 750 will sell out. The Giants can hope for a slump and maybe he drags it out for a month for those last 6 dingers.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I haven't seen it myself, so I can't say it's 100% true, but a co-worker just told me WGN ran a story this morning that the Cubs signed Jason Marquis for 3 years, $28-$29 million.

 

[harrycarey]

I haven't seen it myself, so I can't say it's 100% true, but a co-worker just told me WGN ran a story this morning that the Cubs signed Jason Marquis for 3 years, $28-$29 million.

That's a steal for a guy that will put 30-40 balls in the outfield seats each year.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I haven't seen it myself, so I can't say it's 100% true, but a co-worker just told me WGN ran a story this morning that the Cubs signed Jason Marquis for 3 years, $28-$29 million.

That's a steal for a guy that will put 30-40 balls in the outfield seats on Waveland each year.

 

[ThisGuy]

I haven't seen it myself, so I can't say it's 100% true, but a co-worker just told me WGN ran a story this morning that the Cubs signed Jason Marquis for 3 years, $28-$29 million.

I don't care how cold it is out there today...I'm throwing at least 100 pitches. I hit 86 last week and if I can continue getting my arm strength back, I could constantly throw in the upper 80's. That should be good for at least $5million per season, right?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I haven't seen it myself, so I can't say it's 100% true, but a co-worker just told me WGN ran a story this morning that the Cubs signed Jason Marquis for 3 years, $28-$29 million.

I don't care how cold it is out there today...I'm throwing at least 100 pitches. I hit 86 last week and if I can continue getting my arm strength back, I could constantly throw in the upper 80's. That should be good for at least $5million per season, right?

Double that if you're a lefty and/or under 32.

 

[ThisGuy]

I haven't seen it myself, so I can't say it's 100% true, but a co-worker just told me WGN ran a story this morning that the Cubs signed Jason Marquis for 3 years, $28-$29 million.

I don't care how cold it is out there today...I'm throwing at least 100 pitches. I hit 86 last week and if I can continue getting my arm strength back, I could constantly throw in the upper 80's. That should be good for at least $5million per season, right?

Double that if you're a lefty and/or under 32.

I'll be 34 next summer,and a righty...what did Paul Byrd sign for last year?

 

[Funkley]

Sox Lose Out on Dotel

Because KC is set to sign him

I like it a lot more than Meche.

I like that for the Royals. Still think they should go hard after Gagne as well.

Probably had to promise Dotel he'd be closer but yeah, the bullpen would look nice in a hurry.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I'm doubting the veracity of the Marquis signing. Nothing on the 'net anywhere about it.

 

[Funkley]

I haven't seen it myself, so I can't say it's 100% true, but a co-worker just told me WGN ran a story this morning that the Cubs signed Jason Marquis for 3 years, $28-$29 million.

I don't care how cold it is out there today...I'm throwing at least 100 pitches. I hit 86 last week and if I can continue getting my arm strength back, I could constantly throw in the upper 80's. That should be good for at least $5million per season, right?

Double that if you're a lefty and/or under 32.

I'll be 34 next summer,and a righty...what did Paul Byrd sign for last year?

Ever had shoulder surgery? Meche has had two. I'd argue that you're healthier than him and bump your asking price up a few million.

 

[Keys Myaths]

I haven't seen it myself, so I can't say it's 100% true, but a co-worker just told me WGN ran a story this morning that the Cubs signed Jason Marquis for 3 years, $28-$29 million.

I actually don't have a problem with this one.Marquis is a MUCH better signing than Meche or Padilla, and for a lot cheaper, and fewer years.

 

[Funkley]

I haven't seen it myself, so I can't say it's 100% true, but a co-worker just told me WGN ran a story this morning that the Cubs signed Jason Marquis for 3 years, $28-$29 million.

I actually don't have a problem with this one.Marquis is a MUCH better signing than Meche or Padilla, and for a lot cheaper, and fewer years.

Helluva raise for a guy that was *maybe* the worst starter in the majors last year. An ERA over 6, whip over 1.5 and a BB to K ratio of almost 1 to 1. I have no problem with someone signing him but he's a classic 1 year deal guy to see if he can get back to 2004/2005 and then pay him in hopefully a less insane market next year. If he demanding multi year then glllll, move along.