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[Deranged Hermit]

What would you give for a 43 year old pitcher with declining numbers? I wouldn't get your hope too high Yanks fans. The Diamondbacks are full of upper tier prospects, none of which should be moved for Johnson.

Replacing Johnson with Zito is worth getting excited about

Zito's going to NY all right, just not the team you're wishing for.....

I hope not. If the Yanks are truly making a move on Zito, I want no part of him. He's already overpriced and this is just going to make it worse.

You don't think Zito would do well with the Mets? Between a move to the NL, pitching in a pitcher's park like Shea, and a solid infield defense behind him, I think the Mets make a lot of sense for him...

Sure, he'd be a great fit. But he isn't some savior that's going to put them over the top. And for $16-20 million per year for 6 years or whatever, I'd pass.

I don't know if he would put them over the top on his own, but I do look at the Mets rotation without him in it and wonder if they have the horses to get back to the playoffs...Right now a rotation of:GlavineEl DuqueJohn MaineOliver PerezMike Pelfreyhas a few too many question marks between the age at the front and the inexperience at the backfor me to be comfortable if I'm a Mets fan...Slotting Zito in there improves it a LOT in my opinion, and is worth the investment...

I know GWB doesn't like Zito, but at this point I don't see another alternative. They're not getting Peavy or Willis. Anyone who thought that was living in the land of gumdrops and lollipops (not saying GWB thought the Mets were getting those guys).

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

What would you give for a 43 year old pitcher with declining numbers? I wouldn't get your hope too high Yanks fans. The Diamondbacks are full of upper tier prospects, none of which should be moved for Johnson.

Replacing Johnson with Zito is worth getting excited about

Zito's going to NY all right, just not the team you're wishing for.....

I hope not. If the Yanks are truly making a move on Zito, I want no part of him. He's already overpriced and this is just going to make it worse.

You don't think Zito would do well with the Mets? Between a move to the NL, pitching in a pitcher's park like Shea, and a solid infield defense behind him, I think the Mets make a lot of sense for him...

Sure, he'd be a great fit. But he isn't some savior that's going to put them over the top. And for $16-20 million per year for 6 years or whatever, I'd pass.

I don't know if he would put them over the top on his own, but I do look at the Mets rotation without him in it and wonder if they have the horses to get back to the playoffs...Right now a rotation of:GlavineEl DuqueJohn MaineOliver PerezMike Pelfreyhas a few too many question marks between the age at the front and the inexperience at the backfor me to be comfortable if I'm a Mets fan...Slotting Zito in there improves it a LOT in my opinion, and is worth the investment...

here's my argument......pedro won maybe 4 games after april? so, their rotation was essentially the same top 3. oliver perez and mike pelfrey will replace the 66 starts made between the following cy young candidates:dave williamstrachselalay solerbrian bannisterjose limav zambranoperez and pelfrey cant be much worse than those 6......

This is what I'm saying. They can easily get back to the playoffs with a better offense with Alou in LF and an improved Milledge getting some PT. Plus, the bullpen is about as good this year. Zito isn't going to make that much of a difference. particularly in the playoffs.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

What would you give for a 43 year old pitcher with declining numbers? I wouldn't get your hope too high Yanks fans. The Diamondbacks are full of upper tier prospects, none of which should be moved for Johnson.

Replacing Johnson with Zito is worth getting excited about

Zito's going to NY all right, just not the team you're wishing for.....

I hope not. If the Yanks are truly making a move on Zito, I want no part of him. He's already overpriced and this is just going to make it worse.

You don't think Zito would do well with the Mets? Between a move to the NL, pitching in a pitcher's park like Shea, and a solid infield defense behind him, I think the Mets make a lot of sense for him...

Sure, he'd be a great fit. But he isn't some savior that's going to put them over the top. And for $16-20 million per year for 6 years or whatever, I'd pass.

If a young, durable lefty who will give them innings, benefit from moving out of the AL and immediately becomes their best pitcher isn't enough, what do the Mets need to get over the top?!?

Anyone can give them innings. Who gives a #### about that? It isn't worth the asking price.They need more than what Zito can give them. A healthy Pedro at some point. Decent years from Maine and Perez. Wright not to suck ### past July. No big injuries to key players. All of those things will pretty much need to happen whether Zito is there or not.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

I know GWB doesn't like Zito, but at this point I don't see another alternative. They're not getting Peavy or Willis. Anyone who thought that was living in the land of gumdrops and lollipops (not saying GWB thought the Mets were getting those guys).

I like him fine. I just think there are better ways to invest $100 million. But hey, it isn't my money. If they sign him, I'll welcome him with open arms. I just won't be surprised when he doesn't earn it.

 

[wadegarrett]

Reports saying Keith Foulke should sign with Cleveland in the next day or so.

If he can stay healthy, a nice addition to the Tribe bullpen. <_<

 

[Funkley]

I know GWB doesn't like Zito, but at this point I don't see another alternative. They're not getting Peavy or Willis. Anyone who thought that was living in the land of gumdrops and lollipops (not saying GWB thought the Mets were getting those guys).

I like him fine. I just think there are better ways to invest $100 million. But hey, it isn't my money. If they sign him, I'll welcome him with open arms. I just won't be surprised when he doesn't earn it. <_<

I agree. How often do these huge money free agents actually earn all 5-6-7 years of these deals? I guarantee you the team that signs Zito will be looking to move the rest of his contract by the 09' season if not sooner.If all they want is innings then they should trade for a Jennings type or they should have given the Randy Wolf type's a look. Wolf may not work out but at least he only hurts you for 1 year.

 

[wilked]

Reports saying Keith Foulke should sign with Cleveland in the next day or so.If he can stay healthy, a nice addition to the Tribe bullpen.

lol, you obviously didn't watch Floukie pitch last year. Love the guy, but he has lost it

 

[Sammy3469]

I know GWB doesn't like Zito, but at this point I don't see another alternative. They're not getting Peavy or Willis. Anyone who thought that was living in the land of gumdrops and lollipops (not saying GWB thought the Mets were getting those guys).

I like him fine. I just think there are better ways to invest $100 million. But hey, it isn't my money. If they sign him, I'll welcome him with open arms. I just won't be surprised when he doesn't earn it.

I agree. How often do these huge money free agents actually earn all 5-6-7 years of these deals? I guarantee you the team that signs Zito will be looking to move the rest of his contract by the 09' season if not sooner.If all they want is innings then they should trade for a Jennings type or they should have given the Randy Wolf type's a look. Wolf may not work out but at least he only hurts you for 1 year.

Well, Zito is more than just an innings eater (especially in the NL). He's better than the current Mets #1 Glavine after you factor in the AL v. NL thing. Plus it's not like the Phils and Marlins are going to be any worse this year. Plus, going forward, the Mets are in a similar position to the Yanks. They really don't have any clue what to expect in 2008. More than anything he gives them some insurance for the future, plus it's not like this guy is ancient or anything. He's 28 and should be entering the prime of his career.

 

[Funkley]

I know GWB doesn't like Zito, but at this point I don't see another alternative. They're not getting Peavy or Willis. Anyone who thought that was living in the land of gumdrops and lollipops (not saying GWB thought the Mets were getting those guys).

I like him fine. I just think there are better ways to invest $100 million. But hey, it isn't my money. If they sign him, I'll welcome him with open arms. I just won't be surprised when he doesn't earn it.

I agree. How often do these huge money free agents actually earn all 5-6-7 years of these deals? I guarantee you the team that signs Zito will be looking to move the rest of his contract by the 09' season if not sooner.If all they want is innings then they should trade for a Jennings type or they should have given the Randy Wolf type's a look. Wolf may not work out but at least he only hurts you for 1 year.

Well, Zito is more than just an innings eater (especially in the NL). He's better than the current Mets #1 Glavine after you factor in the AL v. NL thing. Plus it's not like the Phils and Marlins are going to be any worse this year. Plus, going forward, the Mets are in a similar position to the Yanks. They really don't have any clue what to expect in 2008. More than anything he gives them some insurance for the future, plus it's not like this guy is ancient or anything. He's 28 and should be entering the prime of his career.

But he's sure not trending like this. I'm not saying he isn't better than an innings eater but he's not a hell of a lot better than that and for 100 million I'd rather take my chances w/o him.

 

[Sammy3469]

I know GWB doesn't like Zito, but at this point I don't see another alternative. They're not getting Peavy or Willis. Anyone who thought that was living in the land of gumdrops and lollipops (not saying GWB thought the Mets were getting those guys).

I like him fine. I just think there are better ways to invest $100 million. But hey, it isn't my money. If they sign him, I'll welcome him with open arms. I just won't be surprised when he doesn't earn it.

I agree. How often do these huge money free agents actually earn all 5-6-7 years of these deals? I guarantee you the team that signs Zito will be looking to move the rest of his contract by the 09' season if not sooner.If all they want is innings then they should trade for a Jennings type or they should have given the Randy Wolf type's a look. Wolf may not work out but at least he only hurts you for 1 year.

Well, Zito is more than just an innings eater (especially in the NL). He's better than the current Mets #1 Glavine after you factor in the AL v. NL thing. Plus it's not like the Phils and Marlins are going to be any worse this year. Plus, going forward, the Mets are in a similar position to the Yanks. They really don't have any clue what to expect in 2008. More than anything he gives them some insurance for the future, plus it's not like this guy is ancient or anything. He's 28 and should be entering the prime of his career.

But he's sure not trending like this. I'm not saying he isn't better than an innings eater but he's not a hell of a lot better than that and for 100 million I'd rather take my chances w/o him.

Well he's not declining either. Look, I can understand why people are less than overwhelmed by him, but he's either the best or 2nd best (after Zambrano) SP available over the next 2 years. If you want to be competitve in 2008, he has to be your first target. There simply is a shortage of quality FA SPs on the market (which is one of the reasons the Red Sox bid so much for Matsuzaka and the Yanks followed with their bid for Igawa).For some reference here's some of the guys available next offseason: Zambrano, Smoltz, Schilling, Jennings, Westbrook, Garcia.

 

[Funkley]

Well he's not declining either. Look, I can understand why people are less than overwhelmed by him, but he's either the best or 2nd best (after Zambrano) SP available over the next 2 years. If you want to be competitve in 2008, he has to be your first target. There simply is a shortage of quality FA SPs on the market (which is one of the reasons the Red Sox bid so much for Matsuzaka and the Yanks followed with their bid for Igawa).

For some reference here's some of the guys available next offseason: Zambrano, Smoltz, Schilling, Jennings, Westbrook, Garcia.

I'm not so sure of that Sammy. He's pitched at least 34 starts the last 6 years and the first 3 were quite a bit better overall than the last 3. His equivalent ERA's have gone from 170+ to 120, 105 and 116 two years in a row. I agree that at 28 he should be peaking but he's not. Clearly there's a market for him mainly due to scarcity but I'm glad that I don't have to be the GM to sign that deal.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

I know GWB doesn't like Zito, but at this point I don't see another alternative. They're not getting Peavy or Willis. Anyone who thought that was living in the land of gumdrops and lollipops (not saying GWB thought the Mets were getting those guys).

I like him fine. I just think there are better ways to invest $100 million. But hey, it isn't my money. If they sign him, I'll welcome him with open arms. I just won't be surprised when he doesn't earn it.

I agree. How often do these huge money free agents actually earn all 5-6-7 years of these deals? I guarantee you the team that signs Zito will be looking to move the rest of his contract by the 09' season if not sooner.If all they want is innings then they should trade for a Jennings type or they should have given the Randy Wolf type's a look. Wolf may not work out but at least he only hurts you for 1 year.

I'd be fine with this. He could be had at a halfway reasonable price too compared to some of the other SP's out there.

 

[Alias]

on the Bosox / JD Drew front:

Both sides on the J.D. Drew matter would like to get the contract done this week. But right now it's still in the "easier said than done" stage.The Sox are looking for protections after their medical staff found areas of concern in Drew's surgically repaired right shoulder which could diminish some of Drew's power.The Sox and Drew agreed on a five-year, $70 million deal at the Winter Meetings in early December. Almost a month later, the issue hasn't been resolved.According to Drew's agent, Scott Boras, his doctors have indicated there's nothing wrong with Drew's shoulder. That could be an indication Boras might be balking at revising any of the contract, especially a revision that would take away guaranteed money and replace it with incentives. The Red Sox aren't placing much stock in second opinions that Drew received because they are only concerned with what they saw in their examination and test results.The Red Sox have had good success detecting medical problems, including the one that prevented them from offering Pedro Martinez a fourth year two years ago. Martinez, a New York Met, is currently recovering from major surgery on his shoulder.Meanwhile, the Sox continue to explore trade talks for a closer. Washington's Chad Cordero, Houston's Brad Lidge and Pittsburgh's Mike Gonzalez all appear to be targets.

 

[Alias]

Dice-K appears in an "Asahi Super Dry" beer commercial for Japan

 

[Sammy3469]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

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[Bogart]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

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6 years and 84 million with a 7th year at 15 million is pretty stout. Can't wait to see what the Giants offered.

 

[Funkley]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

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6 years and 84 million with a 7th year at 15 million is pretty stout. Can't wait to see what the Giants offered.

Happy day for you Ranger fans in the long run.

 

[Bogart]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

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6 years and 84 million with a 7th year at 15 million is pretty stout. Can't wait to see what the Giants offered.

Happy day for you Ranger fans in the long run.

Yes and no. It would have been nice to add Zito. That would have given the Rangers a full staff (Zito, Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy and Tejada) wrapped up until 2010. Would keep them out of the free agent market at least for starting pitching for awhile.

 

[Funkley]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

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6 years and 84 million with a 7th year at 15 million is pretty stout. Can't wait to see what the Giants offered.

Happy day for you Ranger fans in the long run.

Yes and no. It would have been nice to add Zito. That would have given the Rangers a full staff (Zito, Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy and Tejada) wrapped up until 2010. Would keep them out of the free agent market at least for starting pitching for awhile.

Did you see the contract though? Yikes. Spend half that money on Venezuelan scouting and draft 15 kids like Edinson Volquez instead.

 

[Righetti]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

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6 years and 84 million with a 7th year at 15 million is pretty stout. Can't wait to see what the Giants offered.

7/126

 

[wilked]

wow, what a bad signing....

Supposedly there is an 8th year option that can bring this to 144.

Either way, huge overpayment for him

 

[EZD222]

wow, what a bad signing....Supposedly there is an 8th year option that can bring this to 144.Either way, huge overpayment for him

I'm glad the Mets didn't bite on this. Thats way too much money/investment. I rather wait it out till next year and make a push for Zambrano whos a better younger pitcher.

 

[Bogart]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

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6 years and 84 million with a 7th year at 15 million is pretty stout. Can't wait to see what the Giants offered.

7/126

ouch, that makes me feel better that the Rangers didn't get him.

 

[Sammy3469]

wow, what a bad signing....Supposedly there is an 8th year option that can bring this to 144.Either way, huge overpayment for him

I'm glad the Mets didn't bite on this. Thats way too much money/investment. I rather wait it out till next year and make a push for Zambrano whos a better younger pitcher.

Have fun paying 22 million for 8 years.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

wow, what a bad signing....Supposedly there is an 8th year option that can bring this to 144.Either way, huge overpayment for him

:X Red Sux fan talking about people getting overpaid. That's really ####### hilarious.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

wow, what a bad signing....Supposedly there is an 8th year option that can bring this to 144.Either way, huge overpayment for him

Bad isn't even remotely close to describing how awful this deal is.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

wow, what a bad signing....Supposedly there is an 8th year option that can bring this to 144.Either way, huge overpayment for him

I'm glad the Mets didn't bite on this. Thats way too much money/investment. I rather wait it out till next year and make a push for Zambrano whos a better younger pitcher.

Have fun paying 22 million for 8 years.

No pitcher is worth that I don't care who he is.

 

[Sammy3469]

wow, what a bad signing....

Supposedly there is an 8th year option that can bring this to 144.

Either way, huge overpayment for him

I'm glad the Mets didn't bite on this. Thats way too much money/investment. I rather wait it out till next year and make a push for Zambrano whos a better younger pitcher.

Have fun paying 22 million for 8 years.

No pitcher is worth that I don't care who he is.

There's actually a pretty interesting table hereLinkthat basically says the marginal win is worth 4 million dollars then takes the players WARP and plots it relative to the length of contract adjusting for inflation, etc. Surprisingly most every deal conforms to this table except Carlos Lee who is apparently grossly overpaid (but I think we already established that).

 

[George Jefferson Airplane]

wow, what a bad signing....

Supposedly there is an 8th year option that can bring this to 144.

Either way, huge overpayment for him

I'm glad the Mets didn't bite on this. Thats way too much money/investment. I rather wait it out till next year and make a push for Zambrano whos a better younger pitcher.

Have fun paying 22 million for 8 years.

No pitcher is worth that I don't care who he is.

There's actually a pretty interesting table hereLinkthat basically says the marginal win is worth 4 million dollars then takes the players WARP and plots it relative to the length of contract adjusting for inflation, etc. Surprisingly most every deal conforms to this table except Carlos Lee who is apparently grossly overpaid (but I think we already established that).

Nice find.

 

[Sammy3469]

and not to defend this deal too much, but adjusted for inflation this deal is less than either Brown's or Mussina's 7 year deals a number of years ago.

I also find it sort of funny that at the end of the day all these contracts "plotted" nicely. As much as we want to villify these GMs, maybe some of them know what they are doing .

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

and not to defend this deal too much, but adjusted for inflation this deal is less than either Brown's or Mussina's 7 year deals a number of years ago. I also find it sort of funny that at the end of the day all these contracts "plotted" nicely. As much as we want to villify these GMs, maybe some of them know what they are doing .

You're surprised by this? Of course it does. Who do you think guys like Boras hire to make their case for them? The stat nerds that will fall all over themselves to get their foot in the door at a baseball job. Bill James did that sort of thing for awhile. This shouldn't be all that surprising.They're still bad deals that are based off of the results of equally bad deals from the year before that are based on the bad deals from the year before that.

 

[Sammy3469]

and not to defend this deal too much, but adjusted for inflation this deal is less than either Brown's or Mussina's 7 year deals a number of years ago. I also find it sort of funny that at the end of the day all these contracts "plotted" nicely. As much as we want to villify these GMs, maybe some of them know what they are doing .

You're surprised by this? Of course it does. Who do you think guys like Boras hire to make their case for them? The stat nerds that will fall all over themselves to get their foot in the door at a baseball job. Bill James did that sort of thing for awhile. This shouldn't be all that surprising.They're still bad deals that are based off of the results of equally bad deals from the year before that are based on the bad deals from the year before that.

it's not like teams are forced to pay these contracts...there's a free market that values the marginal win. Currently that is 4 million per marginal win. In and of itself that's not a stat nerd concept. You may not like what that current market price is, but that's the market that these GMs face. It's like the stock market. Is the SP500 really worth 18 times future earnings, who knows, but if you want to play the game that's the price you're going to have to pay.

 

[Chemical X]

if zito is worth 18mill, what is the best pitcher in all of baseball worth? lets say that pitcher right now is santana. 25mill?

santana's black ink is 37 compared to zito's 8 at baseball-reference.

zito gave up a lot of homer's and walks and oakland is a notorious cavern.

gllll most similar by age 26-27-28....mike hampton, surprise!

"> gb the mets sitting this one out

 

[Funkley]

if zito is worth 18mill, what is the best pitcher in all of baseball worth? lets say that pitcher right now is santana. 25mill?santana's black ink is 37 compared to zito's 8 at baseball-reference.zito gave up a lot of homer's and walks and oakland is a notorious cavern.gllll most similar by age 26-27-28....mike hampton, surprise! "> gb the mets sitting this one out

I think $25 Mil is a great guess.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

Is the SP500 really worth 18 times future earnings, who knows, but if you want to play the game that's the price you're going to have to pay.

That contract is ridiculous. $18M per for 7 years? I'd rather have Meche for $10M and that's not shtick.

 

[Giant Wooden Badger]

And incidentally, Kevin Brown was far more dominant than Zito when he got his deal. It was a terrible deal but at least they were getting a guy that was one of the best 3 or 4 starters in the league at the time.

 

[Bogart]

Is the SP500 really worth 18 times future earnings, who knows, but if you want to play the game that's the price you're going to have to pay.

That contract is ridiculous. $18M per for 7 years? I'd rather have Meche for $10M and that's not shtick.

Half a million for every start, assuming he doesn't miss a start. That is simply ridiculous money.

 

[Chemical X]

too bad the giants traded liriano, bonser & nathan for aj pierzynski.......

 

[cubd8]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

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6 years and 84 million with a 7th year at 15 million is pretty stout. Can't wait to see what the Giants offered.

Happy day for you Ranger fans in the long run.

Yes and no. It would have been nice to add Zito. That would have given the Rangers a full staff (Zito, Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy and Tejada) wrapped up until 2010. Would keep them out of the free agent market at least for starting pitching for awhile.

Rangers still have a pretty good 4 man staff with Milwood, Padilla, McCarthy and Tejada. It would be nice for them if they can find one more guy who they can plug into the #3 spot in the rotation, and they seem willing to spend the money to do so, considering they wanted Zito.Any rumors out there ?

 

[Sammy3469]

Jeff Sackmann over at Harball Times has a couple of interesting article on how bad #4 and #5 pitchers are. I knew they were bad, but not this bad.

FWIW, it looks like the Zito signing was at the high end of an acceptable range if you are projecting salaries based on ERAs but vastly overpaid if you prefer to use peripherals.

 

[ThisGuy]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

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6 years and 84 million with a 7th year at 15 million is pretty stout. Can't wait to see what the Giants offered.

Happy day for you Ranger fans in the long run.

Yes and no. It would have been nice to add Zito. That would have given the Rangers a full staff (Zito, Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy and Tejada) wrapped up until 2010. Would keep them out of the free agent market at least for starting pitching for awhile.

Rangers still have a pretty good 4 man staff with Milwood, Padilla, McCarthy and Tejada. It would be nice for them if they can find one more guy who they can plug into the #3 spot in the rotation, and they seem willing to spend the money to do so, considering they wanted Zito.Any rumors out there ?

is there a FA option still available?!?

 

[Bogart]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

Link

6 years and 84 million with a 7th year at 15 million is pretty stout. Can't wait to see what the Giants offered.

Happy day for you Ranger fans in the long run.

Yes and no. It would have been nice to add Zito. That would have given the Rangers a full staff (Zito, Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy and Tejada) wrapped up until 2010. Would keep them out of the free agent market at least for starting pitching for awhile.

Rangers still have a pretty good 4 man staff with Milwood, Padilla, McCarthy and Tejada. It would be nice for them if they can find one more guy who they can plug into the #3 spot in the rotation, and they seem willing to spend the money to do so, considering they wanted Zito.Any rumors out there ?

is there a FA option still available?!?

they have a two-year offer out there for Mulder. Of course that would be a possible solution after the All-Star break. I look for them to start the year selling the fans on Kam Loe, CJ Wilson or Edison Volquez having a "great Spring Training" and "winning" the number 5 spot.Roger Clemens anyone? He has teased Texas so many times only to #### them in the end, he should give them a reach around and sign a one-year deal 12 million dollar deal.

 

[Deranged Hermit]

As a Mets fan, I was wondering where they go now to shore up their SP's? I know Vasquez and Harden were hot rumors before, but Harden's injuries scare me quite a bit.

 

[shadyridr]

And incidentally, Kevin Brown was far more dominant than Zito when he got his deal. It was a terrible deal but at least they were getting a guy that was one of the best 3 or 4 starters in the league at the time.

Agreed. The Kevin Brown and Mussina deals made more sense. The Zito deal compares to the Mike Hampton deal.

 

[scoobus]

Zito rejects the Rangers who expect him to sign with the Giants

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6 years and 84 million with a 7th year at 15 million is pretty stout. Can't wait to see what the Giants offered.

Happy day for you Ranger fans in the long run.

Yes and no. It would have been nice to add Zito. That would have given the Rangers a full staff (Zito, Millwood, Padilla, McCarthy and Tejada) wrapped up until 2010. Would keep them out of the free agent market at least for starting pitching for awhile.

Rangers still have a pretty good 4 man staff with Milwood, Padilla, McCarthy and Tejada. It would be nice for them if they can find one more guy who they can plug into the #3 spot in the rotation, and they seem willing to spend the money to do so, considering they wanted Zito.Any rumors out there ?

is there a FA option still available?!?

they have a two-year offer out there for Mulder. Of course that would be a possible solution after the All-Star break. I look for them to start the year selling the fans on Kam Loe, CJ Wilson or Edison Volquez having a "great Spring Training" and "winning" the number 5 spot.Roger Clemens anyone? He has teased Texas so many times only to #### them in the end, he should give them a reach around and sign a one-year deal 12 million dollar deal.

Good god I hope CJ Wilson doesn't somehow win the 5th spot. Everywhere I look(in Dallas obviously)people are saying how talented he is, and I don't want to say he sucks, but he really doesn't seem any good. Appeared like almost anytime he relieved in a pressure spot he gave it up, and I'm tiring of him fast (and Benoit as well).If the Rangers can't sign Mulder, it would be great to see Kameron Loe regain the form he showed at the end of the year two seasons ago.

 

[avoiding injuries]

O's sign Aubrey Huff to a 3 year $20M contract. I like the signing. He just turned 30 last month and he's making on average less then he was last year. O's needed a LF and I think this is a good match.

 

[Statorama]

O's sign Aubrey Huff to a 3 year $20M contract. I like the signing. He just turned 30 last month and he's making on average less then he was last year. O's needed a LF and I think this is a good match.

Not a bad gamble at all. I hope the O's don't jerk him around like the Rays did.

 

[Statorama]

I heard Kenny Williams on AM-670 (The Score Chicago) this morning. He said that his scouts noticed that Andy Sisco was tipping his pitches, and they felt it was an easily correctable flaw.

If true, that Sisco trade could turn out to be a bonanza for the Sox

 

[wilked]

Rumors of the BoSox signing Piniero to a 1 yr, 4 mill. Looks like a lot for him. I guess they see him as a potential closer. The one plus is that he actually did very well in relief

Check out his starter / relief splits

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/spli...g&year=2006

 

[avoiding injuries]

Check out his starter / relief splits

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/spli...g&year=2006

Maybe I missed it, but his relief stats didn't look so good. I did notice he's undefeated with a 0.00 era at Fenway.edit: I mised the top where it sumarized his relief stats and was looking at "with rest". Meh...