*** OFFICIAL *** Baseball Offseason Moves (2006-07)... (3 Viewers)

[cubd8]

Is it surprising that KC had to overspend to lure a free agent? Why else would anyone sign with them?

I don't know if Gil Meche has spoken to the media yet, but I can't for him to start the press conference with the "I liked what the Royals are building here, and I wanted to part of it' comments.

 

[Darth Cheney]

I think the Meche signing was smart. Yes, he's a middle of the road pitcher and the Royals clearly overpaid him. But they have a new GM and he wanted to send the organization a message that things are going to be different now. Players and staff that are used to losing get a reminder that things will be shaken up. On a purely talent basis, it was a bad contract. But it's just one contract. To give a new GM some press (who was talking about the Royals before?) and help him send a message, I think it was a good move.

The Royals should have spent the money on a great manager.... Wasting that much money on a number three starter is dumb. They should have followed the exact same plan that the Detroit Tigers did.

 

[Statorama]

I think the Meche signing was smart. Yes, he's a middle of the road pitcher and the Royals clearly overpaid him. But they have a new GM and he wanted to send the organization a message that things are going to be different now. Players and staff that are used to losing get a reminder that things will be shaken up. On a purely talent basis, it was a bad contract. But it's just one contract. To give a new GM some press (who was talking about the Royals before?) and help him send a message, I think it was a good move.

The Royals should have spent the money on a great manager.... Wasting that much money on a number three starter is dumb. They should have followed the exact same plan that the Detroit Tigers did.

...or that the Indians did, or that the A's and Twins seem to do every year. Instead, they did what the Pirates do, and for my money the Pirates are the worst run franchise in all sports.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

it is kind of surprising to me that Huff is still out there.

Yeah I thought the same. What kind of deal do you think he would be getting? I know the Tigers had considered him because he would be exactly what they need but I think he might be a little expensive. With Ryan Klesko out there as well I'm wondering how one may affect the other if at all. I think with Klesko it's either taking money to go to a bad team or taking a one year deal to play for a winner. You'd think Huff would be getting a long-term deal. I'm not big on sitting down and figuring out what these guys are worth either so I could be off here. One of the guys I'm interested to follow is Jeff Weaver. Guy has been trash then steps in and has a really fine post season. Another guy is Eddie Guardado who still would be a nice guy to bring out in the 7th inning and Arthur Rhodes. Again I'm looking at guys my team might want but neither is going to get any kind of fat contract for being a LH specialist. Well in this market....maybe they will. Not much out there besides middle of the road starters, sprinkled with some decent short relievers, and a bunch of bench players.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

I think the Meche signing was smart. Yes, he's a middle of the road pitcher and the Royals clearly overpaid him. But they have a new GM and he wanted to send the organization a message that things are going to be different now. Players and staff that are used to losing get a reminder that things will be shaken up. On a purely talent basis, it was a bad contract. But it's just one contract. To give a new GM some press (who was talking about the Royals before?) and help him send a message, I think it was a good move.

The Royals should have spent the money on a great manager.... Wasting that much money on a number three starter is dumb. They should have followed the exact same plan that the Detroit Tigers did.

...or that the Indians did, or that the A's and Twins seem to do every year. Instead, they did what the Pirates do, and for my money the Pirates are the worst run franchise in all sports.

DETROIT LIONS

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

Is it surprising that KC had to overspend to lure a free agent? Why else would anyone sign with them?

Because Kansas City has a nice zoo and there is always Worlds of Fun on the off days.

 

[MrPhoenix]

Is it surprising that KC had to overspend to lure a free agent? Why else would anyone sign with them?

Because Kansas City has a nice zoo and there is always Worlds of Fun on the off days.

Plus, they can attract fatter free agents like Randall Simon because of Arthur Bryant's.

 

[Funkley]

Did I really read someone say that signing Gil Meche gives Moore some 'street cred'?

 

[Tough As Nails]

it is kind of surprising to me that Huff is still out there.

He's no Brad Wilkerson.

 

[ThisGuy]

Yo DrD,

The Tigers just acquired the missing piece!!

Lucky bastids!

 

[Keys Myaths]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.

2007 projected win total: 79.

2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9

Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Yo DrD,

The Tigers just acquired the missing piece!!

Lucky bastids!

GB Joe Table

 

[Keys Myaths]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

 

[whoknew]

Yo DrD,

The Tigers just acquired the missing piece!!

Lucky bastids!

Oh boy. Joe Table.I wonder if this means a trade of one of their relievers is imminent.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Yo DrD,

The Tigers just acquired the missing piece!!

Lucky bastids!

Interesting. I'm trying to do the math on what this means to the roster but it looks like Jason Grilli won't be back. Mesa>>>GrilliAlso wondering if Rodney may be going away in a trade. Team still needs a LH bat.

 

[RnR]

Jose Mesa to El Tigres is perplexing.

 

[whoknew]

Yo DrD,

The Tigers just acquired the missing piece!!

Lucky bastids!

Interesting. I'm trying to do the math on what this means to the roster but it looks like Jason Grilli won't be back. Mesa>>>GrilliAlso wondering if Rodney may be going away in a trade. Team still needs a LH bat.

If they carry 12 pitchers, they could have both Grilli and Mesa. It doesn't make a ton of sense to me -- unless there's another trade coming.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Yo DrD,

The Tigers just acquired the missing piece!!

Lucky bastids!

Interesting. I'm trying to do the math on what this means to the roster but it looks like Jason Grilli won't be back. Mesa>>>GrilliAlso wondering if Rodney may be going away in a trade. Team still needs a LH bat.

If they carry 12 pitchers, they could have both Grilli and Mesa.

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[RKMoney]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

Schmidt and Pettite can't stay healthy so no way should you spend that kind of money on them. Stros made good moves and should again compete for the division as they do every year.

 

[ThisGuy]

A thought:

What if the Yanks sign Igawa this week for around $8million/year?

The Red Sox would then be forced to pay D-Mat at least $10-12million per year, no?

Would the Red Sox be able to draw from the "Budget" they have?

I almost hope the Yanks give Igawa 4 years/$32million to see this happen

84 hours and 10 minutes left...

 

[the moops]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

Schmidt and Pettite can't stay healthy so no way should you spend that kind of money on them. Stros made good moves and should again compete for the division as they do every year.

What are these good moves you speak of?They overpaid for Carlos Lee (3 weeks ago it seemed like a gross overpay, today it looks a little better). They lost Andy Petite. They signed Backe.What else have they done?The money that went to Lee probably could have been better allocated amingst a couple of players.

 

[Keys Myaths]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

Schmidt and Pettite can't stay healthy so no way should you spend that kind of money on them.

Because I'm a complete idiot and didn't account for that. The Astros' moves were AWFUL. Period.Edit: And for the record, I'm probably the biggest Astros homer in here.

 

[shadyridr]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

Schmidt and Pettite can't stay healthy so no way should you spend that kind of money on them. Stros made good moves and should again compete for the division as they do every year.

What are these good moves you speak of?They overpaid for Carlos Lee (3 weeks ago it seemed like a gross overpay, today it looks a little better). They lost Andy Petite. They signed Backe.What else have they done?The money that went to Lee probably could have been better allocated amingst a couple of players.

Woody Williams. If they can somehow get one more pitcher I think they had a good offseason

 

[the moops]

A thought:What if the Yanks sign Igawa this week for around $8million/year? The Red Sox would then be forced to pay D-Mat at least $10-12million per year, no?Would the Red Sox be able to draw from the "Budget" they have?I almost hope the Yanks give Igawa 4 years/$32million to see this happen 84 hours and 10 minutes left...

I just cant see Matsuzaka not playing for the Sox next year. He had a farewell in Japan. Seibu will do everything in their power to make it happen. Or else they lose out on 51 million dollars. Next year, if he is posted, I doubt they would get even close to the 51.I would imagine the contract will be around 10 million anyway.

 

[Keys Myaths]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

Schmidt and Pettite can't stay healthy so no way should you spend that kind of money on them. Stros made good moves and should again compete for the division as they do every year.

What are these good moves you speak of?They overpaid for Carlos Lee (3 weeks ago it seemed like a gross overpay, today it looks a little better). They lost Andy Petite. They signed Backe.What else have they done?The money that went to Lee probably could have been better allocated amingst a couple of players.

Woody Williams. If they can somehow get one more pitcher I think they had a good offseason

Carlos Lee averages about a 5.5 WARP-1. The player he's replacing, most likely Lamb, averages about a 3.1 or 3.2.17 million dollars a year for 2 wins is a joke. Seriously.

 

[ThisGuy]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

Schmidt and Pettite can't stay healthy so no way should you spend that kind of money on them. Stros made good moves and should again compete for the division as they do every year.

What are these good moves you speak of?They overpaid for Carlos Lee (3 weeks ago it seemed like a gross overpay, today it looks a little better). They lost Andy Petite. They signed Backe.What else have they done?The money that went to Lee probably could have been better allocated amingst a couple of players.

Woody Williams. If they can somehow get one more pitcher I think they had a good offseason

Carlos Lee averages about a 5.5 WARP-1. The player he's replacing, most likely Lamb, averages about a 3.1 or 3.2.17 million dollars a year for 2 wins is a joke. Seriously.

Carlos Lee is giving the Astros the Big bat they sorely missed last year. Plug Lee in the lineup, the rest of the lineup improves. There is no WARP-drive formula for that.

 

[ThisGuy]

A thought:What if the Yanks sign Igawa this week for around $8million/year? The Red Sox would then be forced to pay D-Mat at least $10-12million per year, no?Would the Red Sox be able to draw from the "Budget" they have?I almost hope the Yanks give Igawa 4 years/$32million to see this happen 84 hours and 10 minutes left...

I just cant see Matsuzaka not playing for the Sox next year. He had a farewell in Japan. Seibu will do everything in their power to make it happen. Or else they lose out on 51 million dollars. Next year, if he is posted, I doubt they would get even close to the 51.I would imagine the contract will be around 10 million anyway.

At minimum, it will be $10million. I'm thinking it's going to take 5 years/$60 million (not counting the posting fee of course) to get it done. I still hate Scott Boras, even though he isn't doing it to the Yanks this time.

 

[Keys Myaths]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

Schmidt and Pettite can't stay healthy so no way should you spend that kind of money on them. Stros made good moves and should again compete for the division as they do every year.

What are these good moves you speak of?They overpaid for Carlos Lee (3 weeks ago it seemed like a gross overpay, today it looks a little better). They lost Andy Petite. They signed Backe.What else have they done?The money that went to Lee probably could have been better allocated amingst a couple of players.

Woody Williams. If they can somehow get one more pitcher I think they had a good offseason

Carlos Lee averages about a 5.5 WARP-1. The player he's replacing, most likely Lamb, averages about a 3.1 or 3.2.17 million dollars a year for 2 wins is a joke. Seriously.

Carlos Lee is giving the Astros the Big bat they sorely missed last year. Plug Lee in the lineup, the rest of the lineup improves. There is no WARP-drive formula for that.

I can only hope.I put VERY little faith in intangibles, though. I really think "intangibles" were invented by color commentators that couldn't do their jobs correctly, and agents who tried to get every dollar for their clients.

 

[the moops]

When you pay 17 million dollars a year for a player, they need to offer the team more than "a big bat".

Lee has above average slugging power. Although he has only slugged over 500 twice in his career. His OBP skills are below average. He steals bases at a 75% clip, which is about the break even point. He is an awful left fielder (maybe the worst in baseball).

So, you are paying 17 million for his gaudy RBI numbers and ~35 homeruns. Congrats

 

[ThisGuy]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

Schmidt and Pettite can't stay healthy so no way should you spend that kind of money on them. Stros made good moves and should again compete for the division as they do every year.

What are these good moves you speak of?They overpaid for Carlos Lee (3 weeks ago it seemed like a gross overpay, today it looks a little better). They lost Andy Petite. They signed Backe.What else have they done?The money that went to Lee probably could have been better allocated amingst a couple of players.

Woody Williams. If they can somehow get one more pitcher I think they had a good offseason

Carlos Lee averages about a 5.5 WARP-1. The player he's replacing, most likely Lamb, averages about a 3.1 or 3.2.17 million dollars a year for 2 wins is a joke. Seriously.

Carlos Lee is giving the Astros the Big bat they sorely missed last year. Plug Lee in the lineup, the rest of the lineup improves. There is no WARP-drive formula for that.

I can only hope.I put VERY little faith in intangibles, though. I really think "intangibles" were invented by color commentators that couldn't do their jobs correctly, and agents who tried to get every dollar for their clients.

You are basically replacing Preston Wilson with Carlos Lee. That's a pretty nice "intangible"

 

[the moops]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.2007 projected win total: 79.2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

Schmidt and Pettite can't stay healthy so no way should you spend that kind of money on them. Stros made good moves and should again compete for the division as they do every year.

What are these good moves you speak of?They overpaid for Carlos Lee (3 weeks ago it seemed like a gross overpay, today it looks a little better). They lost Andy Petite. They signed Backe.What else have they done?The money that went to Lee probably could have been better allocated amingst a couple of players.

Woody Williams. If they can somehow get one more pitcher I think they had a good offseason

Carlos Lee averages about a 5.5 WARP-1. The player he's replacing, most likely Lamb, averages about a 3.1 or 3.2.17 million dollars a year for 2 wins is a joke. Seriously.

Carlos Lee is giving the Astros the Big bat they sorely missed last year. Plug Lee in the lineup, the rest of the lineup improves. There is no WARP-drive formula for that.

I can only hope.I put VERY little faith in intangibles, though. I really think "intangibles" were invented by color commentators that couldn't do their jobs correctly, and agents who tried to get every dollar for their clients.

You are basically replacing Preston Wilson with Carlos Lee. That's a pretty nice "intangible"

And it only cost 13 million dollars more a year

 

[ThisGuy]

When you pay 17 million dollars a year for a player, they need to offer the team more than "a big bat".Lee has above average slugging power. Although he has only slugged over 500 twice in his career. His OBP skills are below average. He steals bases at a 75% clip, which is about the break even point. He is an awful left fielder (maybe the worst in baseball).So, you are paying 17 million for his gaudy RBI numbers and ~35 homeruns. Congrats

Lee becomes less of a factor in Minute Maid park because of the short LF porch...or does only count in Fenway?His slugging % has risen steadily throughout his career, and will be playing in a hitter-friendly park.He gives Berkman protection. Did they overpay? ProbablyIs it the worst signing ever? Not even close.

 

[Bogart]

Thoughts are that the Rangers are still looking to sign Old Man Lofton even with Byrd in the mix. Also Mark Mulder is in town. Would love to see him get a Chris Carpenter type situation where the Rangers will risk money on him now in hopes of paying off later down the road.

Plus, still in talks with Zito.

Zito

Millwood

Padilla

Mulder

Tejada

Not a bad second half (or slightly later) rotation......

 

[ThisGuy]

For my final project in one of my MBA classes, I've calculated the Astros' 2007 win total through simulations if they kept their current signings, and what that win total would be if they spent the same money wisely in the FA market.

2007 projected win total: 79.

2007 projected win total (wise spending): 88.9

Dammit. Someone get a decent GM in there.

There is no such thing as wise spending in the FA market this year.

I'm starting to come around on the idea that signing star players to insane contracts is the way to go. What's the better way to wreck your franchise budget - giving Gil Meche $11 million/year or giving Jason Schmidt $16 mil? Might as well hock the urinals, put in some Wrigley field troughs, and upgrade the pitching staff.

The Astros have spent about 37 million/year in the FA market.

If they would've signed Schmidt, Pettite, and Durham for that money, they improve significantly over the bull#### they've done now.

Schmidt and Pettite can't stay healthy so no way should you spend that kind of money on them. Stros made good moves and should again compete for the division as they do every year.

What are these good moves you speak of?

They overpaid for Carlos Lee (3 weeks ago it seemed like a gross overpay, today it looks a little better). They lost Andy Petite. They signed Backe.

What else have they done?

The money that went to Lee probably could have been better allocated amingst a couple of players.

Woody Williams. If they can somehow get one more pitcher I think they had a good offseason

Carlos Lee averages about a 5.5 WARP-1. The player he's replacing, most likely Lamb, averages about a 3.1 or 3.2.

17 million dollars a year for 2 wins is a joke. Seriously.

Carlos Lee is giving the Astros the Big bat they sorely missed last year. Plug Lee in the lineup, the rest of the lineup improves. There is no WARP-drive formula for that.

I can only hope.

I put VERY little faith in intangibles, though. I really think "intangibles" were invented by color commentators that couldn't do their jobs correctly, and agents who tried to get every dollar for their clients.

You are basically replacing Preston Wilson with Carlos Lee. That's a pretty nice "intangible"

And it only cost 13 million dollars more a year

How is $$ a factor?? Owners have it, and there is no cap in baseball. They could've signed JD Drew for less$$ but then would have to worry about playing without their left fielder for a 1/4 of a season.

 

[the moops]

When you pay 17 million dollars a year for a player, they need to offer the team more than "a big bat".Lee has above average slugging power. Although he has only slugged over 500 twice in his career. His OBP skills are below average. He steals bases at a 75% clip, which is about the break even point. He is an awful left fielder (maybe the worst in baseball).So, you are paying 17 million for his gaudy RBI numbers and ~35 homeruns. Congrats

Lee becomes less of a factor in Minute Maid park because of the short LF porch...or does only count in Fenway?His slugging % has risen steadily throughout his career, and will be playing in a hitter-friendly park.He gives Berkman protection. Did they overpay? ProbablyIs it the worst signing ever? Not even close.

What does Fenway have to do with Carlos Lee?I suppose you are trying to make the comparison between LF'ers? Dont go there. Carlos Lee, my friend, is no Manny Ramirez. I guess they both suck at playing defense...but that is as far as the comparisons go. Oh, actually, they are both making the same money this year too.Playing in a hitter friendly park will make anyone's slugging rise, right? That should not be a selling point on how good Carlos Lee will be.By any statistical measure, Carlos Lee is a decent ballplayer. He is not worth 17 million. Not even close.

 

[Dan Gladden's Mustache]

When you pay 17 million dollars a year for a player, they need to offer the team more than "a big bat".Lee has above average slugging power. Although he has only slugged over 500 twice in his career. His OBP skills are below average. He steals bases at a 75% clip, which is about the break even point. He is an awful left fielder (maybe the worst in baseball).So, you are paying 17 million for his gaudy RBI numbers and ~35 homeruns. Congrats

Lee becomes less of a factor in Minute Maid park because of the short LF porch...or does only count in Fenway?His slugging % has risen steadily throughout his career, and will be playing in a hitter-friendly park.He gives Berkman protection. Did they overpay? ProbablyIs it the worst signing ever? Not even close.

I'm with ThisGuy on this one.Wouldn't be surprised to see Lee hit about 45 HRs in Minute Maid.

 

[Michael Brown]

A thought:

What if the Yanks sign Igawa this week for around $8million/year?

The Red Sox would then be forced to pay D-Mat at least $10-12million per year, no?

Would the Red Sox be able to draw from the "Budget" they have?

I almost hope the Yanks give Igawa 4 years/$32million to see this happen

84 hours and 10 minutes left...

I just cant see Matsuzaka not playing for the Sox next year. He had a farewell in Japan. Seibu will do everything in their power to make it happen. Or else they lose out on 51 million dollars. Next year, if he is posted, I doubt they would get even close to the 51.I would imagine the contract will be around 10 million anyway.

You're right, because there is no posting next year. If he doesn't sign with Boston, he returns to Japan for a year and then simply becomes a free agent. So they would get zero million rather than 50.

 

[ThisGuy]

When you pay 17 million dollars a year for a player, they need to offer the team more than "a big bat".Lee has above average slugging power. Although he has only slugged over 500 twice in his career. His OBP skills are below average. He steals bases at a 75% clip, which is about the break even point. He is an awful left fielder (maybe the worst in baseball).So, you are paying 17 million for his gaudy RBI numbers and ~35 homeruns. Congrats

Lee becomes less of a factor in Minute Maid park because of the short LF porch...or does only count in Fenway?His slugging % has risen steadily throughout his career, and will be playing in a hitter-friendly park.He gives Berkman protection. Did they overpay? ProbablyIs it the worst signing ever? Not even close.

What does Fenway have to do with Carlos Lee?I suppose you are trying to make the comparison between LF'ers? Dont go there. Carlos Lee, my friend, is no Manny Ramirez. I guess they both suck at playing defense...but that is as far as the comparisons go. Oh, actually, they are both making the same money this year too.Playing in a hitter friendly park will make anyone's slugging rise, right? That should not be a selling point on how good Carlos Lee will be.By any statistical measure, Carlos Lee is a decent ballplayer. He is not worth 17 million. Not even close.

you're making defense a factor in this signing, I'm just shooting that down. It doesn't matter here. Lee will give the Astros exactly what they needed all of last season. Why is that a bad thing?? They overpaid, but who cares?? The Astros gave Clemens almost quarter of $100million to pitch half a season last year!!It's not as bad as you're making it out to be. They will score more runs this year!!After Berkman's 136RBI's last year, Biggio was 2nd on the team with 62!!!!

 

[ThisGuy]

When you pay 17 million dollars a year for a player, they need to offer the team more than "a big bat".Lee has above average slugging power. Although he has only slugged over 500 twice in his career. His OBP skills are below average. He steals bases at a 75% clip, which is about the break even point. He is an awful left fielder (maybe the worst in baseball).So, you are paying 17 million for his gaudy RBI numbers and ~35 homeruns. Congrats

Lee becomes less of a factor in Minute Maid park because of the short LF porch...or does only count in Fenway?His slugging % has risen steadily throughout his career, and will be playing in a hitter-friendly park.He gives Berkman protection. Did they overpay? ProbablyIs it the worst signing ever? Not even close.

I'm with ThisGuy on this one.Wouldn't be surprised to see Lee hit about 45 HRs in Minute Maid.

 

[the moops]

A thought:

What if the Yanks sign Igawa this week for around $8million/year?

The Red Sox would then be forced to pay D-Mat at least $10-12million per year, no?

Would the Red Sox be able to draw from the "Budget" they have?

I almost hope the Yanks give Igawa 4 years/$32million to see this happen

84 hours and 10 minutes left...

I just cant see Matsuzaka not playing for the Sox next year. He had a farewell in Japan. Seibu will do everything in their power to make it happen. Or else they lose out on 51 million dollars. Next year, if he is posted, I doubt they would get even close to the 51.I would imagine the contract will be around 10 million anyway.

You're right, because there is no posting next year. If he doesn't sign with Boston, he returns to Japan for a year and then simply becomes a free agent. So they would get zero million rather than 50.

Well, not really. He isn't a free agent until May 08. So, Sebu could post him next fall, but I doubt teams would be willing to toss too much money, because chances are Matsuzaka will just wait until May and be a full feldged free agent and sign with the Yankees.

 

[the moops]

When you pay 17 million dollars a year for a player, they need to offer the team more than "a big bat".Lee has above average slugging power. Although he has only slugged over 500 twice in his career. His OBP skills are below average. He steals bases at a 75% clip, which is about the break even point. He is an awful left fielder (maybe the worst in baseball).So, you are paying 17 million for his gaudy RBI numbers and ~35 homeruns. Congrats

Lee becomes less of a factor in Minute Maid park because of the short LF porch...or does only count in Fenway?His slugging % has risen steadily throughout his career, and will be playing in a hitter-friendly park.He gives Berkman protection. Did they overpay? ProbablyIs it the worst signing ever? Not even close.

What does Fenway have to do with Carlos Lee?I suppose you are trying to make the comparison between LF'ers? Dont go there. Carlos Lee, my friend, is no Manny Ramirez. I guess they both suck at playing defense...but that is as far as the comparisons go. Oh, actually, they are both making the same money this year too.Playing in a hitter friendly park will make anyone's slugging rise, right? That should not be a selling point on how good Carlos Lee will be.By any statistical measure, Carlos Lee is a decent ballplayer. He is not worth 17 million. Not even close.

you're making defense a factor in this signing, I'm just shooting that down. It doesn't matter here. Lee will give the Astros exactly what they needed all of last season. Why is that a bad thing?? They overpaid, but who cares?? The Astros gave Clemens almost quarter of $100million to pitch half a season last year!!It's not as bad as you're making it out to be. They will score more runs this year!!After Berkman's 136RBI's last year, Biggio was 2nd on the team with 62!!!!

Yes, they probably will score more runs. However, they will probably give up more runs too. The question becomes how large of an impact can Lee have on the offense to offset his terrible defense. It is the same story with Manny...why do you think the Sox want to move him? He gives up many runs each year in his outfield defense, which mitigates his incredible offensive production. Lee has the same issues.

 

[ThisGuy]

When you pay 17 million dollars a year for a player, they need to offer the team more than "a big bat".Lee has above average slugging power. Although he has only slugged over 500 twice in his career. His OBP skills are below average. He steals bases at a 75% clip, which is about the break even point. He is an awful left fielder (maybe the worst in baseball).So, you are paying 17 million for his gaudy RBI numbers and ~35 homeruns. Congrats

Lee becomes less of a factor in Minute Maid park because of the short LF porch...or does only count in Fenway?His slugging % has risen steadily throughout his career, and will be playing in a hitter-friendly park.He gives Berkman protection. Did they overpay? ProbablyIs it the worst signing ever? Not even close.

What does Fenway have to do with Carlos Lee?I suppose you are trying to make the comparison between LF'ers? Dont go there. Carlos Lee, my friend, is no Manny Ramirez. I guess they both suck at playing defense...but that is as far as the comparisons go. Oh, actually, they are both making the same money this year too.Playing in a hitter friendly park will make anyone's slugging rise, right? That should not be a selling point on how good Carlos Lee will be.By any statistical measure, Carlos Lee is a decent ballplayer. He is not worth 17 million. Not even close.

you're making defense a factor in this signing, I'm just shooting that down. It doesn't matter here. Lee will give the Astros exactly what they needed all of last season. Why is that a bad thing?? They overpaid, but who cares?? The Astros gave Clemens almost quarter of $100million to pitch half a season last year!!It's not as bad as you're making it out to be. They will score more runs this year!!After Berkman's 136RBI's last year, Biggio was 2nd on the team with 62!!!!

Yes, they probably will score more runs. However, they will probably give up more runs too. The question becomes how large of an impact can Lee have on the offense to offset his terrible defense. It is the same story with Manny...why do you think the Sox want to move him? He gives up many runs each year in his outfield defense, which mitigates his incredible offensive production. Lee has the same issues.

If Lee and Manny each butchered an average of a flyball per game, you might be onto something. The amount of runs they score will dwarf the amount of runs Lee's defensive "prowess" allows.

 

[the moops]

Of course.

But the mistakes they make, eat into their offensive numbers. Which lowers the value they have to a team. Thats all I am saying.

Im just happy we are not talking about the Royals anymore.

 

[Dan Gladden's Mustache]

Just read Buster Olney's blog. Some highlights:

Looks like Kenny Lofton is going to sign with the Rangers, and Texas is deep into negotiations with Eric Gagne, writes Richard Durrett. Kat O'Brien has more on the Gagne-Rangers negotiations.

If the Rangers do sign Lofton, by the way, this increases the likelihood that Alfonso Soriano will be the Cubs' center fielder next season.

A couple of days after the Royals plucked him in the Rule 5 draft, Joakim Soria threw a perfect game in winter ball. Within this Bob Dutton notebook, there is also word that Jeff Keppinger may lose his spot on the K.C. roster.

If the Yankees are to strike a deal for Carl Pavano with the Cardinals, finances would have to be worked out, writes Jim Baumbach. If I were the Yankees, I would wait on Pavano, rather than eating money now and cutting a deal ASAP. Pavano's performance has been miserable, he's incurred some injuries, he embarrassed himself after his car accident last August. The guy has 1,000 reasons to be motivated, and if he were to come back and be anything close to the pitcher he was for Florida in 2004, when he went 18-8, he's a bargain on the current market, with two years and $22 million left on his contract. If I were the Yankees, I'd at least want to see him in spring training, see how he's throwing; if healthy, if motivated, the guy would be a terrific No. 5 starter. Waiting on Pavano is the kind of luxury the Yankees can afford, as a financial superpower; it's like gambling. Other small market teams would have to cut and run to save a few million bucks on Pavano; the Yankees do not.

 

[the moops]

Just read Buster Olney's blog. Some highlights:Looks like Kenny Lofton is going to sign with the Rangers, and Texas is deep into negotiations with Eric Gagne, writes Richard Durrett. Kat O'Brien has more on the Gagne-Rangers negotiations. If the Rangers do sign Lofton, by the way, this increases the likelihood that Alfonso Soriano will be the Cubs' center fielder next season. A couple of days after the Royals plucked him in the Rule 5 draft, Joakim Soria threw a perfect game in winter ball. Within this Bob Dutton notebook, there is also word that Jeff Keppinger may lose his spot on the K.C. roster. If the Yankees are to strike a deal for Carl Pavano with the Cardinals, finances would have to be worked out, writes Jim Baumbach. If I were the Yankees, I would wait on Pavano, rather than eating money now and cutting a deal ASAP. Pavano's performance has been miserable, he's incurred some injuries, he embarrassed himself after his car accident last August. The guy has 1,000 reasons to be motivated, and if he were to come back and be anything close to the pitcher he was for Florida in 2004, when he went 18-8, he's a bargain on the current market, with two years and $22 million left on his contract. If I were the Yankees, I'd at least want to see him in spring training, see how he's throwing; if healthy, if motivated, the guy would be a terrific No. 5 starter. Waiting on Pavano is the kind of luxury the Yankees can afford, as a financial superpower; it's like gambling. Other small market teams would have to cut and run to save a few million bucks on Pavano; the Yankees do not.

Gagne has insisted that he be signed to close games. If Texas signs him, wonder what that means for Otsuka? The guy averages a strikeout an inning, and has nearly a 3-1 SO to walk ratio.

 

[cubd8]

Just read Buster Olney's blog. Some highlights:Looks like Kenny Lofton is going to sign with the Rangers, and Texas is deep into negotiations with Eric Gagne, writes Richard Durrett. Kat O'Brien has more on the Gagne-Rangers negotiations. If the Rangers do sign Lofton, by the way, this increases the likelihood that Alfonso Soriano will be the Cubs' center fielder next season. A couple of days after the Royals plucked him in the Rule 5 draft, Joakim Soria threw a perfect game in winter ball. Within this Bob Dutton notebook, there is also word that Jeff Keppinger may lose his spot on the K.C. roster. If the Yankees are to strike a deal for Carl Pavano with the Cardinals, finances would have to be worked out, writes Jim Baumbach. If I were the Yankees, I would wait on Pavano, rather than eating money now and cutting a deal ASAP. Pavano's performance has been miserable, he's incurred some injuries, he embarrassed himself after his car accident last August. The guy has 1,000 reasons to be motivated, and if he were to come back and be anything close to the pitcher he was for Florida in 2004, when he went 18-8, he's a bargain on the current market, with two years and $22 million left on his contract. If I were the Yankees, I'd at least want to see him in spring training, see how he's throwing; if healthy, if motivated, the guy would be a terrific No. 5 starter. Waiting on Pavano is the kind of luxury the Yankees can afford, as a financial superpower; it's like gambling. Other small market teams would have to cut and run to save a few million bucks on Pavano; the Yankees do not.

any white sox thoughts from olney ?

 

[Bogart]

Just read Buster Olney's blog. Some highlights:Looks like Kenny Lofton is going to sign with the Rangers, and Texas is deep into negotiations with Eric Gagne, writes Richard Durrett. Kat O'Brien has more on the Gagne-Rangers negotiations. If the Rangers do sign Lofton, by the way, this increases the likelihood that Alfonso Soriano will be the Cubs' center fielder next season. A couple of days after the Royals plucked him in the Rule 5 draft, Joakim Soria threw a perfect game in winter ball. Within this Bob Dutton notebook, there is also word that Jeff Keppinger may lose his spot on the K.C. roster. If the Yankees are to strike a deal for Carl Pavano with the Cardinals, finances would have to be worked out, writes Jim Baumbach. If I were the Yankees, I would wait on Pavano, rather than eating money now and cutting a deal ASAP. Pavano's performance has been miserable, he's incurred some injuries, he embarrassed himself after his car accident last August. The guy has 1,000 reasons to be motivated, and if he were to come back and be anything close to the pitcher he was for Florida in 2004, when he went 18-8, he's a bargain on the current market, with two years and $22 million left on his contract. If I were the Yankees, I'd at least want to see him in spring training, see how he's throwing; if healthy, if motivated, the guy would be a terrific No. 5 starter. Waiting on Pavano is the kind of luxury the Yankees can afford, as a financial superpower; it's like gambling. Other small market teams would have to cut and run to save a few million bucks on Pavano; the Yankees do not.

Gagne has insisted that he be signed to close games. If Texas signs him, wonder what that means for Otsuka? The guy averages a strikeout an inning, and has nearly a 3-1 SO to walk ratio.

When Otsuka came to Texas, it was to be an 8th inning guy. I'm guessing that he won't have any problem moving back to that role if asked, with the understanding that if Gagne falters, he moves back up the chain.

 

[the moops]

Just seems like a waste of money gambling on Gagne when you have someone like Otsuka.

 

[Bogart]

Just seems like a waste of money gambling on Gagne when you have someone like Otsuka.

I completely agree. It's not like the bullpen is a weak spot for the team. Gagne's money could be added to the pile needed to get Zito. In all reality, if Gagne signs I could see Otsuka being traded, which will be a mistake.