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***OFFICIAL*** Boardwalk Empire thread (2 Viewers)

Yeah, Harrow still has a potential storyline in there and I like the Gyp scenes but that's about it for now. Don't care much about Nucky and his girlfriend, Margaret and the hospital/Owen, Van Alden and his boring job, Chalky and his daughter/son-in-law, or even the Darmody whorehouse. One or two of those things, ok, but can we get back to more interesting storylines?

Just found out the guy that plays Lucky Luciano is from my neighborhood. Starting to see autographed head shots in some of the local stores.

 
Van Alden's boring job is obviously going to drive him to do whatever it is he's about to get into. They're developing storylines. You can't just have people start shooting each other. You need to give the audience the back story on why they're shooting at each other. And I imagine there's a bit of stalling this or that story-line, where they need to get multiple arcs in sync timing-wise for an event to happen. There were a lot of these same complaints ("boring", "filler") in seasons one and two. Sure, I can do without Margaret and the hospital and whatshisface at the warehouse, but I assume they're leading to something. And I'm not saying I won't look back on this and find fault with it, but at least let them get where they're going before complaining.

 
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'Premier said:
Finally caught up. Geez. Tough 3 episodes to sit through and not in a good way. I love the idea of keeping your viewers on the edge of their seats, but Jimmy was a big loss. Major loss. For me at least. They really wrote themselves into a corner there and now we're starting to see the results of that.
I haven't been able to stay awake through an entire episode yet. Losing interest fast...
 
Chalky is a great character, but I can't see him as the main antagonist. Especially since Nucky has more or less been able to push him around up to this point. It just wouldn't be believable.

Harrow is another great character, but again, I just can't see him as a main antagonist. He doesn't have the personality to lead others. I don't think he has the inclination, either, since he doesn't really seem to be motivated by power or money (which is to his character's credit; he'd be far less interesting if he was).

That leaves Rothstein and Capone. They're both leaders, they're both powerful, and they're both interesting.

(Maybe Lucky is another option if he steps up more as the series progresses, but he's not there yet, and we can't wait for him.)

 
Van Alden's boring job is obviously going to drive him to do whatever it is he's about to get into. They're developing storylines. You can't just have people start shooting each other. You need to give the audience the back story on why they're shooting at each other. And I imagine there's a bit of stalling this or that story-line, where they need to get multiple arcs in sync timing-wise for an event to happen. There were a lot of these same complaints ("boring", "filler") in seasons one and two. Sure, I can do without Margaret and the hospital and whatshisface at the warehouse, but I assume they're leading to something. And I'm not saying I won't look back on this and find fault with it, but at least let them get where they're going before complaining.
This sounds exactly the same as when people used to excuse away early-season episodes of The Sopranos when that show started to sag in seasons 5 & 6. There is no reason that these story lines couldn't have been put into place in prior seasons. Not to mention the fact that we're already about 1/3 of the way through the season. If it takes three hours of boredom (and counting) to establish interesting story lines, the writers just aren't getting the job done.Here's hoping that Sunday's episode knocks it out of the park.
 
Chalky is a great character, but I can't see him as the main antagonist. Especially since Nucky has more or less been able to push him around up to this point. It just wouldn't be believable.Harrow is another great character, but again, I just can't see him as a main antagonist. He doesn't have the personality to lead others. I don't think he has the inclination, either, since he doesn't really seem to be motivated by power or money (which is to his character's credit; he'd be far less interesting if he was).That leaves Rothstein and Capone. They're both leaders, they're both powerful, and they're both interesting.(Maybe Lucky is another option if he steps up more as the series progresses, but he's not there yet, and we can't wait for him.)
And the Lansky/heroin thing. He was the one responsible for it's explosion in the '20s.
 
Van Alden's boring job is obviously going to drive him to do whatever it is he's about to get into. They're developing storylines. You can't just have people start shooting each other. You need to give the audience the back story on why they're shooting at each other. And I imagine there's a bit of stalling this or that story-line, where they need to get multiple arcs in sync timing-wise for an event to happen. There were a lot of these same complaints ("boring", "filler") in seasons one and two. Sure, I can do without Margaret and the hospital and whatshisface at the warehouse, but I assume they're leading to something. And I'm not saying I won't look back on this and find fault with it, but at least let them get where they're going before complaining.
This sounds exactly the same as when people used to excuse away early-season episodes of The Sopranos when that show started to sag in seasons 5 & 6. There is no reason that these story lines couldn't have been put into place in prior seasons. Not to mention the fact that we're already about 1/3 of the way through the season. If it takes three hours of boredom (and counting) to establish interesting story lines, the writers just aren't getting the job done.Here's hoping that Sunday's episode knocks it out of the park.
People whined about Sopranos episodes every season. This is not unique to Boardwalk Empire or seasons five and six of the Sopranos.
 
Van Alden's boring job is obviously going to drive him to do whatever it is he's about to get into. They're developing storylines. You can't just have people start shooting each other. You need to give the audience the back story on why they're shooting at each other. And I imagine there's a bit of stalling this or that story-line, where they need to get multiple arcs in sync timing-wise for an event to happen. There were a lot of these same complaints ("boring", "filler") in seasons one and two. Sure, I can do without Margaret and the hospital and whatshisface at the warehouse, but I assume they're leading to something. And I'm not saying I won't look back on this and find fault with it, but at least let them get where they're going before complaining.
This sounds exactly the same as when people used to excuse away early-season episodes of The Sopranos when that show started to sag in seasons 5 & 6. There is no reason that these story lines couldn't have been put into place in prior seasons. Not to mention the fact that we're already about 1/3 of the way through the season. If it takes three hours of boredom (and counting) to establish interesting story lines, the writers just aren't getting the job done.Here's hoping that Sunday's episode knocks it out of the park.
It makes it clear why they introduced the Gyp character out of nowhere. They needed something to offset the development of the other storylines.
 
Van Alden's boring job is obviously going to drive him to do whatever it is he's about to get into. They're developing storylines. You can't just have people start shooting each other. You need to give the audience the back story on why they're shooting at each other. And I imagine there's a bit of stalling this or that story-line, where they need to get multiple arcs in sync timing-wise for an event to happen. There were a lot of these same complaints ("boring", "filler") in seasons one and two. Sure, I can do without Margaret and the hospital and whatshisface at the warehouse, but I assume they're leading to something. And I'm not saying I won't look back on this and find fault with it, but at least let them get where they're going before complaining.
yeah, I actually think they're setting up Van Alden nicely. he hates his job and coworkers, but needs to make money for his family, and now he sees that the bureau he used to work for is corrupt. coming together as a perfect storm for him to flip to the dark side...
 
Chalky is a great character, but I can't see him as the main antagonist. Especially since Nucky has more or less been able to push him around up to this point. It just wouldn't be believable.

Harrow is another great character, but again, I just can't see him as a main antagonist. He doesn't have the personality to lead others. I don't think he has the inclination, either, since he doesn't really seem to be motivated by power or money (which is to his character's credit; he'd be far less interesting if he was).

That leaves Rothstein and Capone. They're both leaders, they're both powerful, and they're both interesting.

(Maybe Lucky is another option if he steps up more as the series progresses, but he's not there yet, and we can't wait for him.)
Agreed. They should be in every episode in some way or another. I like both better than Nucky.
 
Van Alden's boring job is obviously going to drive him to do whatever it is he's about to get into. They're developing storylines. You can't just have people start shooting each other. You need to give the audience the back story on why they're shooting at each other. And I imagine there's a bit of stalling this or that story-line, where Thetis need to get multiple arcs in sync timing-wise for an event to happen. There were a lot of these same complaints ("boring", "filler") in seasons one and two. Sure, I can do without Margaret and the hospital and whatshisface at the warehouse, but I assume they're leading to something. And I'm not saying I won't look back on this and find fault with it, but at least let them get where they're going before complaining.
yeah, I actually think they're setting up Van Alden nicely. he hates his job and coworkers, but needs to make money for his family, and now he sees that the bureau he used to work for is corrupt. coming together as a perfect storm for him to flip to the dark side...
That Irish dude in the flower shop basically offered him a job already...
 
Van Alden's boring job is obviously going to drive him to do whatever it is he's about to get into. They're developing storylines. You can't just have people start shooting each other. You need to give the audience the back story on why they're shooting at each other. And I imagine there's a bit of stalling this or that story-line, where Thetis need to get multiple arcs in sync timing-wise for an event to happen. There were a lot of these same complaints ("boring", "filler") in seasons one and two. Sure, I can do without Margaret and the hospital and whatshisface at the warehouse, but I assume they're leading to something. And I'm not saying I won't look back on this and find fault with it, but at least let them get where they're going before complaining.
yeah, I actually think they're setting up Van Alden nicely. he hates his job and coworkers, but needs to make money for his family, and now he sees that the bureau he used to work for is corrupt. coming together as a perfect storm for him to flip to the dark side...
That Irish dude in the flower shop basically offered him a job already...
Yeah, they could have ended it when he got screwed out of the bonus. We get it, he hates his job.
 
Van Alden's boring job is obviously going to drive him to do whatever it is he's about to get into. They're developing storylines. You can't just have people start shooting each other. You need to give the audience the back story on why they're shooting at each other. And I imagine there's a bit of stalling this or that story-line, where Thetis need to get multiple arcs in sync timing-wise for an event to happen. There were a lot of these same complaints ("boring", "filler") in seasons one and two. Sure, I can do without Margaret and the hospital and whatshisface at the warehouse, but I assume they're leading to something. And I'm not saying I won't look back on this and find fault with it, but at least let them get where they're going before complaining.
yeah, I actually think they're setting up Van Alden nicely. he hates his job and coworkers, but needs to make money for his family, and now he sees that the bureau he used to work for is corrupt. coming together as a perfect storm for him to flip to the dark side...
That Irish dude in the flower shop basically offered him a job already...
Yeah, they could have ended it when he got screwed out of the bonus. We get it, he hates his job.
There's an important distinction between him not getting his bonus and immediately turning into a gangster and him sticking it out through slights and hazing and witnessing corruption because he feels he has a calling and then snapping and going gangster.
 
Van Alden's boring job is obviously going to drive him to do whatever it is he's about to get into. They're developing storylines. You can't just have people start shooting each other. You need to give the audience the back story on why they're shooting at each other. And I imagine there's a bit of stalling this or that story-line, where Thetis need to get multiple arcs in sync timing-wise for an event to happen. There were a lot of these same complaints ("boring", "filler") in seasons one and two. Sure, I can do without Margaret and the hospital and whatshisface at the warehouse, but I assume they're leading to something. And I'm not saying I won't look back on this and find fault with it, but at least let them get where they're going before complaining.
yeah, I actually think they're setting up Van Alden nicely. he hates his job and coworkers, but needs to make money for his family, and now he sees that the bureau he used to work for is corrupt. coming together as a perfect storm for him to flip to the dark side...
That Irish dude in the flower shop basically offered him a job already...
Yeah, they could have ended it when he got screwed out of the bonus. We get it, he hates his job.
There's an important distinction between him not getting his bonus and immediately turning into a gangster and him sticking it out through slights and hazing and witnessing corruption because he feels he has a calling and then snapping and going gangster.
Michael Shannon rocks...loved his work as Lynard in Lets Go To Prison
 
Best episode of the year so far.

Rothstein is intense.

The 2% vs 30% Italian exhange with Lucky was a good scene.

Welcome back to the series, Al Capone !

"Use that to pay for his funeral"

Really thought he was going to chug his beer after kick beating that guy to death.

 
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Best episode of the year so far.Rothstein is intense.The 2% vs 30% Italian exhange with Lucky was a good scene.Welcome back to the series, Al Capone !"Use that to pay for his funeral"Really thought he was going to chug his beer after kick beating that guy to death.
And I liked in the teaser at the end that it looks like Chalky is going to start getting involved.
 
A couple of weeks ago, "Boardwalk Empire" gave us a terrific Chalky White story that had virtually nothing to do with the rest of the episode, but which had me once again imagining a version of the show built around Chalky. (Who hasn't appeared since, by the way.) Tonight's episode does a similar trick with Al Capone. Al's all the way off in Chicago, only connected to the rest of the narrative at this point because he and Van Alden briefly crossed paths in the premiere. But Stephen Graham is so good — particularly in the heartbreaking scene where Al tries to give his deaf son boxing lessons to toughen him up, and only winds up terrifying him — that I not only didn't mind the detour from business in Atlantic City, but began imagining a Cicero-centric incarnation of this series.

The problem, I suppose, is that Nucky Thompson, while an effective businessman (most of the time, anyway; he's screwing up a lot lately), is far from the most dynamic character on his own show. That's not a knock on Steve Buscemi; it's just the contrast of this cold, buttoned-down guy with the more colorful figures who surround him. And every time we spend a little extra time with Chalky, or Capone, or Richard or any of a number other figures, it's easy to forget that the show really ought to be getting back to what Nucky is up to, pretty soon.

In an odd way, "Blue Bell Boy" is an episode where Nucky is very much aware of how he's viewed as somehow less important or respected than the gangsters who surround him, and begins bristling at the notion. He gets irritated when Mickey and the other warehouse guys seem to be looking to Owen for guidance instead of him, once again shuts down any attempt by Eli to assert leadership, and finishes off his time in the cellar by putting a bullet in young Roland Smith, who thought he could charm the old man out of killing him.

The problem is, Nucky's still making the same mistakes — every time he doesn't listen to Eli, it seems, bad things happen — and winds up spending yet another episode out of action while his guys are running afoul of Gyp Rosetti. This time it's over other business and bad timing with the raid on Roland's house, rather than his obsession with Billie Kent, but the end result is the same, and likely won't go over well with Arnold Rothstein.

But even though the circumstances are different, and Nucky seems aware of how he's viewed within the show (if not by us in the real world), it's still a frustrating, repetitive kind of episode. As with the season so far, individual pieces work (the Capone subplot, Eli being smarter than Mickey but powerless to do anything about it), but the whole of it isn't entirely satisfying, even as the Who's the Boss? theme ties most of the stories together.

Eli is still being placed in a corner by Nucky, and is unable to countermand a simple and stupid order by Mickey Doyle once he realizes that Gyp is now running things in Tabor Heights(*). Margaret's prenatal class is finally happening, but the nun at the hospital acts like she's in charge of it, and Lucky has to go bow and scrape in front of Joe Masseria, whom he doesn't even technically work for. Everyone's being put in their place, in one way or another, including the Dean O'Bannion goon who has the fatal timing to bully one of Capone's guys in a week when Capone has zero tolerance for bullies.

(*) That's a conversation I'd kind of like to see. I'm sure Gyp is paying the cops well, but he did still burn their old boss to death, and you would think there might be some resistance.
 
A couple of weeks ago, "Boardwalk Empire" gave us a terrific Chalky White story that had virtually nothing to do with the rest of the episode, but which had me once again imagining a version of the show built around Chalky. (Who hasn't appeared since, by the way.) Tonight's episode does a similar trick with Al Capone. Al's all the way off in Chicago, only connected to the rest of the narrative at this point because he and Van Alden briefly crossed paths in the premiere. But Stephen Graham is so good — particularly in the heartbreaking scene where Al tries to give his deaf son boxing lessons to toughen him up, and only winds up terrifying him — that I not only didn't mind the detour from business in Atlantic City, but began imagining a Cicero-centric incarnation of this series.

The problem, I suppose, is that Nucky Thompson, while an effective businessman (most of the time, anyway; he's screwing up a lot lately), is far from the most dynamic character on his own show. That's not a knock on Steve Buscemi; it's just the contrast of this cold, buttoned-down guy with the more colorful figures who surround him. And every time we spend a little extra time with Chalky, or Capone, or Richard or any of a number other figures, it's easy to forget that the show really ought to be getting back to what Nucky is up to, pretty soon.

In an odd way, "Blue Bell Boy" is an episode where Nucky is very much aware of how he's viewed as somehow less important or respected than the gangsters who surround him, and begins bristling at the notion. He gets irritated when Mickey and the other warehouse guys seem to be looking to Owen for guidance instead of him, once again shuts down any attempt by Eli to assert leadership, and finishes off his time in the cellar by putting a bullet in young Roland Smith, who thought he could charm the old man out of killing him.

The problem is, Nucky's still making the same mistakes — every time he doesn't listen to Eli, it seems, bad things happen — and winds up spending yet another episode out of action while his guys are running afoul of Gyp Rosetti. This time it's over other business and bad timing with the raid on Roland's house, rather than his obsession with Billie Kent, but the end result is the same, and likely won't go over well with Arnold Rothstein.

But even though the circumstances are different, and Nucky seems aware of how he's viewed within the show (if not by us in the real world), it's still a frustrating, repetitive kind of episode. As with the season so far, individual pieces work (the Capone subplot, Eli being smarter than Mickey but powerless to do anything about it), but the whole of it isn't entirely satisfying, even as the Who's the Boss? theme ties most of the stories together.

Eli is still being placed in a corner by Nucky, and is unable to countermand a simple and stupid order by Mickey Doyle once he realizes that Gyp is now running things in Tabor Heights(*). Margaret's prenatal class is finally happening, but the nun at the hospital acts like she's in charge of it, and Lucky has to go bow and scrape in front of Joe Masseria, whom he doesn't even technically work for. Everyone's being put in their place, in one way or another, including the Dean O'Bannion goon who has the fatal timing to bully one of Capone's guys in a week when Capone has zero tolerance for bullies.

(*) That's a conversation I'd kind of like to see. I'm sure Gyp is paying the cops well, but he did still burn their old boss to death, and you would think there might be some resistance.
Who is this idiot?
 
I think Nucky was considering letting the kid live until he started to change up his stories at the end, and everything he had said turned out to be a lie. he obviously couldn't be trusted, so he had to die.

that scene with Al trying to teach his kid how to put up his dukes and fight seemed so real to me. really good acting there. every scene with Al is cash. I loved that he didn't even wait for the fat guy to finish his story before he took off to go find the bully. and just when you thought he was done teaching the guy a lesson, how about a barstool to the skull?! awesome.

 
I think Nucky was considering letting the kid live until he started to change up his stories at the end, and everything he had said turned out to be a lie. he obviously couldn't be trusted, so he had to die.that scene with Al trying to teach his kid how to put up his dukes and fight seemed so real to me. really good acting there. every scene with Al is cash. I loved that he didn't even wait for the fat guy to finish his story before he took off to go find the bully. and just when you thought he was done teaching the guy a lesson, how about a barstool to the skull?! awesome.
Al produces the most memorializing scenes!
 
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I think Nucky was considering letting the kid live until he started to change up his stories at the end, and everything he had said turned out to be a lie. he obviously couldn't be trusted, so he had to die.that scene with Al trying to teach his kid how to put up his dukes and fight seemed so real to me. really good acting there. every scene with Al is cash. I loved that he didn't even wait for the fat guy to finish his story before he took off to go find the bully. and just when you thought he was done teaching the guy a lesson, how about a barstool to the skull?! awesome.
Not sure if it was the lying or if he did it just to prove a point to Owen. I love how they made you think they were introducing a new character and blam...done.Al is awesome, the guy playing him has always been a really good actor. I like how he threw the money, one or two here, then the whole pile. Great scene. Great episode.Mickey's got some 'splainin to do. :giggle:
 
I think Nucky was considering letting the kid live until he started to change up his stories at the end, and everything he had said turned out to be a lie. he obviously couldn't be trusted, so he had to die.

that scene with Al trying to teach his kid how to put up his dukes and fight seemed so real to me. really good acting there. every scene with Al is cash. I loved that he didn't even wait for the fat guy to finish his story before he took off to go find the bully. and just when you thought he was done teaching the guy a lesson, how about a barstool to the skull?! awesome.
Not sure if it was the lying or if he did it just to prove a point to Owen. I love how they made you think they were introducing a new character and blam...done.Al is awesome, the guy playing him has always been a really good actor. I like how he threw the money, one or two here, then the whole pile. Great scene. Great episode.

Mickey's got some 'splainin to do. :giggle:
I thought he did it to prove a point to Owen.
 
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I think Nucky was considering letting the kid live until he started to change up his stories at the end, and everything he had said turned out to be a lie. he obviously couldn't be trusted, so he had to die.

that scene with Al trying to teach his kid how to put up his dukes and fight seemed so real to me. really good acting there. every scene with Al is cash. I loved that he didn't even wait for the fat guy to finish his story before he took off to go find the bully. and just when you thought he was done teaching the guy a lesson, how about a barstool to the skull?! awesome.
Not sure if it was the lying or if he did it just to prove a point to Owen. I love how they made you think they were introducing a new character and blam...done.Al is awesome, the guy playing him has always been a really good actor. I like how he threw the money, one or two here, then the whole pile. Great scene. Great episode.

Mickey's got some 'splainin to do. :giggle:
If you haven't see it already...check him out in

.....pretty intimidating in it. Definitely get the Capone vibe in it. Hard to believe he's Jason Statham's chumpy sidekick in Snatch.
 
I think Nucky was considering letting the kid live until he started to change up his stories at the end, and everything he had said turned out to be a lie. he obviously couldn't be trusted, so he had to die.

that scene with Al trying to teach his kid how to put up his dukes and fight seemed so real to me. really good acting there. every scene with Al is cash. I loved that he didn't even wait for the fat guy to finish his story before he took off to go find the bully. and just when you thought he was done teaching the guy a lesson, how about a barstool to the skull?! awesome.
Not sure if it was the lying or if he did it just to prove a point to Owen. I love how they made you think they were introducing a new character and blam...done.Al is awesome, the guy playing him has always been a really good actor. I like how he threw the money, one or two here, then the whole pile. Great scene. Great episode.

Mickey's got some 'splainin to do. :giggle:
If you haven't see it already...check him out in

Great movie :thumbup:
 
I think Nucky was considering letting the kid live until he started to change up his stories at the end, and everything he had said turned out to be a lie. he obviously couldn't be trusted, so he had to die.

that scene with Al trying to teach his kid how to put up his dukes and fight seemed so real to me. really good acting there. every scene with Al is cash. I loved that he didn't even wait for the fat guy to finish his story before he took off to go find the bully. and just when you thought he was done teaching the guy a lesson, how about a barstool to the skull?! awesome.
Not sure if it was the lying or if he did it just to prove a point to Owen. I love how they made you think they were introducing a new character and blam...done.Al is awesome, the guy playing him has always been a really good actor. I like how he threw the money, one or two here, then the whole pile. Great scene. Great episode.

Mickey's got some 'splainin to do. :giggle:
If you haven't see it already...check him out in

Yes, I've seen that. Great movie and great character.
 
Gyp to the waitress: Honey let's go in the back and mix up that special sauce

waitress: I don't know how

Gyp: You stir, I'll bring the heat

:thumbup:

 
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Margaret is a manipulative #####. Her bringing up the clinic in front of the Bishop was classic. She may get a ride to the hospital, err, woods with Richard if Nucky finds out.

 
Thoughts:

[*]This show needs more Van Alden and more of Nucky's brother. These are two of the better characters.

[*]I know Margaret can be very annoying, but I think there's some real potential here given that she's becoming a powerful and manipulative woman.

[*]Remember the Randy Ratio in Minnesota? This show needs a Richard Harrow ratio. The war vet is the show's best remaining character, and he should appear more often.

 
[*]Remember the Randy Ratio in Minnesota? This show needs a Richard Harrow ratio. The war vet is the show's best remaining character, and he should appear more often.
I love Harrow, but I enjoy the scenes with Lucky, Lansky, and Rothstein more....due to the real life connections. We need more of both, but I really want to see more of NY.
 
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[*]Remember the Randy Ratio in Minnesota? This show needs a Richard Harrow ratio. The war vet is the show's best remaining character, and he should appear more often.
I love Harrow, but I enjoy the scenes with Lucky, Lansky, and Rothstein more....due to the real life connections. We need more of both, but I really want to see more of NY.
I agree with that. And yet, Harrow remains one of the few characters with a very deep, human story.
 
actually was sad to see Nucky go full gangster again. I liked the kid, would have been enjoyable to watch him climb the ropes. Eli should have put his car IN THE ROAD at the very least.

 
[*]Remember the Randy Ratio in Minnesota? This show needs a Richard Harrow ratio. The war vet is the show's best remaining character, and he should appear more often.
I love Harrow, but I enjoy the scenes with Lucky, Lansky, and Rothstein more....due to the real life connections. We need more of both, but I really want to see more of NY.
I agree with that. And yet, Harrow remains one of the few characters with a very deep, human story.
True...and I doubt we ever get that deep with NY....maybe a little closer with Capone.
 
I think Nucky was considering letting the kid live until he started to change up his stories at the end, and everything he had said turned out to be a lie. he obviously couldn't be trusted, so he had to die.
This is an excellent observation.
I agree with that statement as well. The way Nuky looked at him after he lied about his age, smoking cigarettes, etc....it was one lie after another the kid had to die because he couldn't be trusted.
 

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