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***Official Bucs v Giants Wildcard Game Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Yeah but they had a pulled Galloway, Garcia and Graham with a few minutes left in the first half. Im not really sure if any of them got nicked up a bit, Galloway and Garcia might have but I think Gruden was just playing it safe. I'm not sure if they rested any of their defensive players
gump
Footballguy
Other than it was written while I was writing this one...nothing.Giants have NO CHANCE.Bucs are 6-1 at home...soon to be 7-1.Gaints seem to be relying on turnovers and big plays to win...Bucs are +15 in the TO ratio.Manning against a decieving Cover 2/4? Ok....Bucs win easily.
Avery
Footballguy
Took you six minutes to type that crap!
Giants have a better chance against Tampa than anyone else in the playoffs... and visa-versa.Yeah Tampa doesn't give up many turnovers, Garcia doesn't throw for many interceptions either. I know Tampa lost today but they have a very good defence. They are very good against the pass which is not good news for Manning and company. If Manning plays well, the Giants definately have a chance but Buress is definately not 100% and Shockey is gone. TB is one of the more underated teams IMO.
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gump
Footballguy
Thought I had time to plan out an insightful, though-provoking post. I was wrong on both counts apparently.The Giants matchup is exactly what the Bucs wanted and needed.Two weeks for Monte and Co to prepare....not to mention Gruden.Take the points!Took you six minutes to type that crap!
Avery
Footballguy
As a Giants fan, I'm less than confident.
With Shockey out for the year, their only legitimate, receiving threat that gives any defense pause has barely practiced the entire year.
Their WR2 is coming off an ACL injury last year and is playing on borrowed time.
Their WRs 3, 4 and 5 are a rookie recovering from multiple injuries who has missed most of the year, a second year disappointment who is himself removing from his own injury and missed last weeks game and a career special team player who is himself removing from his own injury and missed last weeks game.
... and people want to put all the blame on Eli for looking less than stellar leading this offense.
Giants best hope is to get back to Giants playoff football and run, run, run.
Again, I'm much happier to be playing Tampa than anyone else in the playoffs.
With Shockey out for the year, their only legitimate, receiving threat that gives any defense pause has barely practiced the entire year.
Their WR2 is coming off an ACL injury last year and is playing on borrowed time.
Their WRs 3, 4 and 5 are a rookie recovering from multiple injuries who has missed most of the year, a second year disappointment who is himself removing from his own injury and missed last weeks game and a career special team player who is himself removing from his own injury and missed last weeks game.
... and people want to put all the blame on Eli for looking less than stellar leading this offense.
Giants best hope is to get back to Giants playoff football and run, run, run.
Again, I'm much happier to be playing Tampa than anyone else in the playoffs.
gump
Footballguy
- Giants are the only team in the NFL to have a Negative Turnover Ratio and a winning record? That bodes well for the Bucs, if they can convert TO to points. Bucs are 8-0 this season when winning the turnover battle
- Garcia's last playoff start was against the Giants in '02 (Jan '03)...I'm sure the Giants remember how that went!
- Will Jacobs be healthy? Bucs D under Monte has always had a weakness for power runners.
- Umenyiora vs Donald Penn? That will be trouble for the Bucs...
- Garcia's last playoff start was against the Giants in '02 (Jan '03)...I'm sure the Giants remember how that went!
- Will Jacobs be healthy? Bucs D under Monte has always had a weakness for power runners.
- Umenyiora vs Donald Penn? That will be trouble for the Bucs...
Avery
Footballguy
There's this sports quote that you might, or might not judging by you post, be familiar with:"That's why they play the games."
Phurfur
Footballguy
Do not under estimate TB.
I agree but in this case I will bet the home team in either instance. I agree nothing is a sure thing but I really don't believe that Tampa or the Giants are in the class with Dallas and Green Bay. Of course that is what makes this sport so much fun. I am in a colege pool with no points and after 6 games can do no better than 50%. So that probably tells you something of my betting prowess.There's this sports quote that you might, or might not judging by you post, be familiar with:"That's why they play the games."
They've been #2 defense in the league by my numbers for the last several weeks---and this week they actually claimed the #1 spot from Pittsburgh.I don't see the Giants doing well against them. Their wins have come largely against teams with mediocre or bad defenses. They have also won against WAS once and PHI twice, but in both cases they had more trouble in their second encounter (and I think most would agree that PHI and WAS have improved substantially on defense over the course of the season). In games where they have faced good defenses, they have failed to score very many points and have turned the ball over a lot.TAM and WAS are very similar offensively, and TAM is substantially better defensively. I say TAM wins this one 24-6.-=kwantam
houndirish
Footballguy
Bucs may be 6-1 at home but the Giants are 7-1 on the road, including 7 straight W's. Relying on turnovers and big plays to win isn't a bad thing last time I checked. Can the cover 2 still be considered deceiving? This form of D is being played in a lot of towns besides Tampa. Also, in response to the poster who said the Giants haven't beaten anyone ... where's Tampa's big win(s) this season? New Orleans? Of teams that are assured of making the playoffs, Tampa went winless and got blown out in each of those contests, except Jacksonville. As a Giants backer, I'm not guaranteeing a win. I won't even say I'm overly confident. However to say they have no chance is just foolish. If the Giants could've picked an opponent it would've been Tampa. The Bucs may be playing better than Seattle at present, however Seattle is a much tougher road opponent (and Seattle waxed Tampa). Not to mention getting Eli out of the bad weather is also probably a benefit for the G-Men.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Objectively (keeping in mind I hate both teams), it would really be a black mark on Jon Gruden to lose a home game against the Giants.
*** Giants have beaten one team with a winning record this year (the 8-7 Redskins)
*** The Redskins came back and beat them in the rematch
*** Eli Manning has (once again) regressed as the season wore on
*** Jeremy Shockey is out
*** Plaxico Burress is a shadow of his early season self due to injury
*** The Giants 10 wins come against teams with a combined "winning" percentage of 0.360
Anything can happen, and you don't want to dismiss a 10-win team out of hand; but the Bucs really have no business losing this game at home IMHO.
*** Giants have beaten one team with a winning record this year (the 8-7 Redskins)
*** The Redskins came back and beat them in the rematch
*** Eli Manning has (once again) regressed as the season wore on
*** Jeremy Shockey is out
*** Plaxico Burress is a shadow of his early season self due to injury
*** The Giants 10 wins come against teams with a combined "winning" percentage of 0.360
Anything can happen, and you don't want to dismiss a 10-win team out of hand; but the Bucs really have no business losing this game at home IMHO.
Norseman
Footballguy
Minnesota plays the cover 2, and I believe Eli had just a little bit of a problem against them this year.
houndirish
Footballguy
Lots of teams play a cover 2. To use it as a reason to favor the Bucs in this matchup seems a stretch. That's all I'm sayin'Minnesota plays the cover 2, and I believe Eli had just a little bit of a problem against them this year.
RedRaiders
Mr. +EV
No, he beat them last year as well.gump said:
Yenrub
Footballguy
If the coaching staff can remember that the strength of the team is the running game and not ask Eli to throw it a ton of times, I like the Giants chances.
I see that some people are giving the Giants no chance at winning next weekend, I wonder if those are the same people who gave the Giants no shot at making the playoffs this year.
I see that some people are giving the Giants no chance at winning next weekend, I wonder if those are the same people who gave the Giants no shot at making the playoffs this year.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Tampa isn't a juggernaut by any stretch so, of course the Giants have a chance. But looking at it objectively, New York shouldn't beat the Bucs nor do I expect them to. And to be fair, I thought neither the Bucs nor Giants would make the playoffs.
Yenrub
Footballguy
Tampa is no juggernaut but they shouldn’t lose to the Giants?Why do you think that? Is it because the game is in Tampa?I see two mediocre teams playing each other; sure I would give Tampa the slight edge because they are home but to say they shouldn’t lose to the Giants is stretch.Dallas, Green Bay, just about all the AFC playoff teams they shouldn’t lose at home to the Giants. There is nothing about Tampa that screams out the shouldn't be beat by the Giants or any other playoff team for that matter.Tampa isn't a juggernaut by any stretch so, of course the Giants have a chance. But looking at it objectively, New York shouldn't beat the Bucs nor do I expect them to. And to be fair, I thought neither the Bucs nor Giants would make the playoffs.
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gump
Footballguy
Maybe...but saying TB has an advantage over NYG because of Monte Kiffen is not a stretch.Monte has been playing more of what he calls a cover 4 this year, which is more man-to-man than the Cover 2. The main reason? The cover skills of rookie safety Tanard Jackson. TB hasn't been on TV at all this year, so most people aren't familiar with Tanard. You will be.Lots of teams play a cover 2. To use it as a reason to favor the Bucs in this matchup seems a stretch. That's all I'm sayin'Minnesota plays the cover 2, and I believe Eli had just a little bit of a problem against them this year.
Monte's Cover 4 is in the same shell as the C2....so a QB drops back thinking zone, but ends up facing man.
The Bucs defensive issues are against the run...so Jacobs could have success.
But Monte and his savvy vets like Barber and Brooks are the smarter unit of the 2...and I'd be shocked if Eli does much of anything....200 yds and 1 TD tops.
houndirish
Footballguy
Well ... I'll agree with you there ... if the Giants do notch the win it likely will be due to running the ball moreso than Eli coordinating anything resembling an aerial assault.Maybe...but saying TB has an advantage over NYG because of Monte Kiffen is not a stretch.Monte has been playing more of what he calls a cover 4 this year, which is more man-to-man than the Cover 2. The main reason? The cover skills of rookie safety Tanard Jackson. TB hasn't been on TV at all this year, so most people aren't familiar with Tanard. You will be.Lots of teams play a cover 2. To use it as a reason to favor the Bucs in this matchup seems a stretch. That's all I'm sayin'Minnesota plays the cover 2, and I believe Eli had just a little bit of a problem against them this year.
Monte's Cover 4 is in the same shell as the C2....so a QB drops back thinking zone, but ends up facing man.
The Bucs defensive issues are against the run...so Jacobs could have success.
But Monte and his savvy vets like Barber and Brooks are the smarter unit of the 2...and I'd be shocked if Eli does much of anything....200 yds and 1 TD tops.
gump
Footballguy
So what does last night do for the Giants? Give them confidence, or deflate them?
How serious are the 3 injuries?
ETA: Coughlin likes what last night's game did for next week:
"There's nothing but positives," Coughlin said. "I told the players that in playing this game, everything would be positive. There would be no negatives. That's pretty much the way I feel.
"I don't know of any better way of getting prepared to play the playoffs."
How serious are the 3 injuries?
ETA: Coughlin likes what last night's game did for next week:
"There's nothing but positives," Coughlin said. "I told the players that in playing this game, everything would be positive. There would be no negatives. That's pretty much the way I feel.
"I don't know of any better way of getting prepared to play the playoffs."
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gump
Footballguy
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I think the Giants shot their load last Saturday trying to beat the Patriots. The Bucs rested their key players last week, but will be ready to go this weekend. I think the Bucs win this game. I'll predict a score of 23-10.
houndirish
Footballguy
Not a bad result for a team with "no chance"!
Big ol Michael Strahan still has it.
Corey Webster played his best game as a Giant. That being said, I really hope we don't have to continue to rely on CW as 2 seasons of dissapointing play haven't been erased by one playoff game.
Big ol Michael Strahan still has it.
Corey Webster played his best game as a Giant. That being said, I really hope we don't have to continue to rely on CW as 2 seasons of dissapointing play haven't been erased by one playoff game.
