What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

***OFFICIAL*** Combine Updates Thread (1 Viewer)

Colin Cowherd just reported that scout inc called him to say that Vernon Davis, TE, just ran a 4.37 forty.
Yikes.I had him going #10 overall in my mock draft - any chance he goes to the Raiders or 49ers after this?
raiders may be jonesin for a QB... but why couldn't davis go that high... i think that time is faster than ben watson... he could be antonio gates on crack... if he can translate those monster measurables to tangible on-field production, he could be a massive difference maker to a passing attack... the seam route would lock down one safety, leaving just one other for the two deep halves... OUCH! :)
:lmao: Sig'ed.
 
Mark Anderson continues the impressive workouts:

Fastest 40 for DLs - 4.68

Best Vertical - 42" :eek:

Best Broad Jump - 10'7"

Best 3 Cone, 2nd best short shuttle, 2nd best long shuttle...
Anyone know how M. Anderson did on bench press?
Nothing reported yet, as far as I know.BUT. Manny Lawson just ran a 4.41 40! He's a 6-5 250 pound DE.

ETA: Kamerion Wimbley also bested Anderson - 4.63...

 
Last edited by a moderator:
BUT. Manny Lawson just ran a 4.41 40! He's a 6-5 250 pound 3-4 OLB.
Corrected.
Maybe. I think he can play 4-3 DE and be very very good. It'll depend on who drafts him. Still 4.41 for a 6-5 250 lb OLB is nuts. He's this year's DeMarcus Ware.
He'll get eaten alive by the OL. Best bet would be to use him like Ware or Merriman.Ryan LaCasse ran a 4.54 at 6-2, 267 and would be a 2nd day steal to a team that needs a 3-4 OLB. Reminds me of David McMillan (6-2, 262, 4.58) who the Browns drafted in the 5th round last year and converted to 3-4 OLB.

Mark Anderson (6-4, 254, 4.61) is intriguing as well.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Unofficial

Jon Alston 4.40

Thomas Howard 4.42

Brandon Johnson 4.44

Ernie Sims 4.50

Terna Nande 4.51

Leon Williams 4.54

James Anderson 4.58

Clint Ingram 4.58

A.J. Hawk 4.62

Chad Greenway 4.74

D'Qwell Jackson 4.78

A.J. Nicholson 4.87, 4.91

 
Unofficial

Jon Alston 4.40

Thomas Howard 4.42

Brandon Johnson 4.44

Ernie Sims 4.50

Terna Nande 4.51

Leon Williams 4.54

James Anderson 4.58

Clint Ingram 4.58

A.J. Hawk 4.62

Chad Greenway 4.74

D'Qwell Jackson 4.78

A.J. Nicholson 4.87, 4.91
Sims said he'd run in the low 4.4s. Howard did it, and this helps him. Hawk was supposed to be a 4.45-4.5 guy. This may hurt him just a little because he is in a tier with very elite talent. The top five may be gone, the top ten is probably more realistic, but he could slide. Greenway didn't do himself any favors either, he's supposed to be fast fast fast. Bloom, you were right about him. I was wrong. Alston is a solid guy from Stanford who is constantly asked about playing safety. Now it makes sense. He could really be helping himself with a crazy time for a 220 pound dude.
 
Unofficial

Jon Alston 4.40

Thomas Howard 4.42

Brandon Johnson 4.44

Ernie Sims 4.50

Terna Nande 4.51

Leon Williams 4.54

James Anderson 4.58

Clint Ingram 4.58

A.J. Hawk 4.62

Chad Greenway 4.74

D'Qwell Jackson 4.78

A.J. Nicholson 4.87, 4.91
Sims said he'd run in the low 4.4s. Howard did it, and this helps him. Hawk was supposed to be a 4.45-4.5 guy. This may hurt him just a little because he is in a tier with very elite talent. The top five may be gone, the top ten is probably more realistic, but he could slide. Greenway didn't do himself any favors either, he's supposed to be fast fast fast. Bloom, you were right about him. I was wrong. Alston is a solid guy from Stanford who is constantly asked about playing safety. Now it makes sense. He could really be helping himself with a crazy time for a 220 pound dude.
Greenway's 4.74 is terrible. Now I'd have serious concerns about drafting him in the 1st round.
 
Greenway's 4.74 is terrible. Now I'd have serious concerns about drafting him in the 1st round.
I'm going to guess he shaves a tenth off that. Remember he and Hawk are both right at 250, and we're comparing them to 220-230 pounders...
 
Greenway's 4.74 is terrible. Now I'd have serious concerns about drafting him in the 1st round.
I'm going to guess he shaves a tenth off that. Remember he and Hawk are both right at 250, and we're comparing them to 220-230 pounders...
I hope as I had both of them in the sub-4.6 range. Hawk is close enough but Greenway's time raises some concerns. Don't get me wrong, even at that speed I think he can be a good 3-4 ILB but it will be difficult for him to be a 4-3 OLB if that's what he runs.
 
Is Greenway OLB or ILB?
I thought OLB at 4.5 but at 4.74 he'll get killed in pass coverage. I love his aggressiveness and tackling and think at worst he'll be a great ILB.
 
Greenway is really hurt bad by this time. I saw him as a Derrick Johnson type - not hardnosed, but a playmaker because of his speed. Who cares if he doesnt take on blocks, because he's fast enough to run around them... Well, that comparison is blown out of the water now.

 
DB 40s unofficial:

Jonathan Joseph 4.36

Tye Hill 4.36

Michael Huff 4.36

Kelly Jennings 4.37

Willie Andrews 4.37

Tim Jennings 4.38

Darrell Hunter 4.41

Daniel Bullocks 4.41

Jason Allen 4.42

Antoine Bethea 4.43

Devin Hester 4.44

Josh Lay 4.49

Cedric Griffin 4.49

Chris Hawkins 4.49

Antonio Cromartie 4.49

Charles Gordon 4.53

Calvin Lowery 4.58

Jahmile Addae 4.61

Reuben Houston 4.62

Greg Blue 4.62

Antonio Malone 4.63

Reed Doughty 4.66

Marcus Demps 4.72

Chris Harrell 4.72

Darrell Brooks 4.74

Jarvis Herring 4.82

Nice runs for all the 4.3+ guys. Huff just solidified his very high stock. Joseph, both Jennings and Hunter proved what's been said about them. Tye Hill might be a little disappointing only in that he hoped to post the fastest time at the combine. Still very fast. Bullocks times faster than his brother. Moves him into the second round. I like this kid a lot and even more now. He was expected to be 4.5 something. Hester was talking 4.2. This isn't so great for him. He needed to be a freak. Griffins .49 is good for him, while Cromartie's is a little devastating. He was supposed to challenge the fastest of them all. Blue was supposed to have freakish speed. Guess not.

 
Read that Tye Hill did 41" in the vertical. This helps mitigate his height issue and I think cinches him as the first true CB (not counting jimmy williams or huff) off the board. I would think SD would be thrilled to land him at 19.

 
DB 40s unofficial:

Jonathan Joseph 4.36

Tye Hill 4.36

Michael Huff 4.36

Kelly Jennings 4.37

Willie Andrews 4.37

Tim Jennings 4.38

Darrell Hunter 4.41

Daniel Bullocks 4.41

Jason Allen 4.42

Antoine Bethea 4.43

Devin Hester 4.44

Josh Lay 4.49

Cedric Griffin 4.49

Chris Hawkins 4.49

Antonio Cromartie 4.49

Charles Gordon 4.53

Calvin Lowery 4.58

Jahmile Addae 4.61

Reuben Houston 4.62

Greg Blue 4.62

Antonio Malone 4.63

Reed Doughty 4.66

Marcus Demps 4.72

Chris Harrell 4.72

Darrell Brooks 4.74

Jarvis Herring 4.82

Nice runs for all the 4.3+ guys. Huff just solidified his very high stock. Joseph, both Jennings and Hunter proved what's been said about them. Tye Hill might be a little disappointing only in that he hoped to post the fastest time at the combine. Still very fast. Bullocks times faster than his brother. Moves him into the second round. I like this kid a lot and even more now. He was expected to be 4.5 something. Hester was talking 4.2. This isn't so great for him. He needed to be a freak. Griffins .49 is good for him, while Cromartie's is a little devastating. He was supposed to challenge the fastest of them all. Blue was supposed to have freakish speed. Guess not.
I agree that Cromartie needed a faster time, but I didn't expect him to do much better than this which is why I didn't see him as a first rounder from jump street.Agreed that the main beneficiary from this is Huff, who has the total package and is now looking like a lock as the top DB. Tye Hill might not have done enough to overtake Jimmy Williams depending on how Williams does at his pro day.

 
DB 40s unofficial:

Jonathan Joseph 4.36

Tye Hill 4.36

Michael Huff 4.36

Kelly Jennings 4.37

Willie Andrews 4.37

Tim Jennings 4.38

Darrell Hunter 4.41

Daniel Bullocks 4.41

Jason Allen 4.42

Antoine Bethea 4.43

Devin Hester 4.44

Josh Lay 4.49

Cedric Griffin 4.49

Chris Hawkins 4.49

Antonio Cromartie 4.49

Charles Gordon 4.53

Calvin Lowery 4.58

Jahmile Addae 4.61

Reuben Houston 4.62

Greg Blue 4.62

Antonio Malone 4.63

Reed Doughty 4.66

Marcus Demps 4.72

Chris Harrell 4.72

Darrell Brooks 4.74

Jarvis Herring 4.82

Nice runs for all the 4.3+ guys. Huff just solidified his very high stock. Joseph, both Jennings and Hunter proved what's been said about them. Tye Hill might be a little disappointing only in that he hoped to post the fastest time at the combine. Still very fast. Bullocks times faster than his brother. Moves him into the second round. I like this kid a lot and even more now. He was expected to be 4.5 something. Hester was talking 4.2. This isn't so great for him. He needed to be a freak. Griffins .49 is good for him, while Cromartie's is a little devastating. He was supposed to challenge the fastest of them all. Blue was supposed to have freakish speed. Guess not.
Did Jimmy Williams run the 40?Huff is amazing, that locked him up as a top 10 pick. Packers have a tough decision on their hands, I know I wouldn't be able to pass on Huff.

Cromartie stock just slid big-time. Having missed a year and coming off knee surgery he had a lot of question marks. Still a 2nd rounder I'm sure, but the 1st round is out.

Hill is a bit disappointing that he didn't post a sub-4.3 but he's probably the #1 CB now.

Cedric Griffin may have moved up into the top 5 CB's now since speed wasn't his forte to begin with.

The Jennings did what they had to do and didn't disappoint.

I can see Joseph going 1st round if someone is willing to take a risk on his potential.

 
Read that Tye Hill did 41" in the vertical. This helps mitigate his height issue and I think cinches him as the first true CB (not counting jimmy williams or huff) off the board. I would think SD would be thrilled to land him at 19.
Thrilled would be a mild reaction, but I think he's going very high after people have seen the impact that guys like Polamalu, Reed and Roy Williams have had. The Chargers have to have their eyes on getting Bullocks or Allen in the 2nd round.

 
Wow, some smokin' official times coming in.

Tye Hill 4.30

Joseph 4.31

Huff 4.34

Bullocks 4.38

Looks like Hill may get his wish and be the fastest there. Good for him. Huff and Bullocks are good sized dudes to be running this fast... sheeesh, this draft is loaded.

 
Wow, some smokin' official times coming in.

Tye Hill 4.30

Joseph 4.31

Huff 4.34

Bullocks 4.38

Looks like Hill may get his wish and be the fastest there. Good for him. Huff and Bullocks are good sized dudes to be running this fast... sheeesh, this draft is loaded.
Seems like a really fast track this year, no? NFL GMs are suckers for CBs with great 40-times, so Hill and Joseph can pretty much write themselves into the top 45 picks or so :yes:
 
Wow, some smokin' official times coming in.

Tye Hill 4.30

Joseph 4.31

Huff 4.34

Bullocks 4.38

Looks like Hill may get his wish and be the fastest there. Good for him. Huff and Bullocks are good sized dudes to be running this fast... sheeesh, this draft is loaded.
Seems like a really fast track this year, no? NFL GMs are suckers for CBs with great 40-times, so Hill and Joseph can pretty much write themselves into the top 45 picks or so :yes:
Reason #467 why I am not an NFL GM:I could not pass on a 4.38 40 CB whose name was Bulocks

 
On Cromartie. His official time is probably going to be better, but not good enough. He was supposed to be athletically the equivalent of Huff, but more developmental. He was never really a serious contender for round 1. Now, several are going to move ahead of him Hunter, Allen, Bullocks, Whitner, more. I think he's going to fall, seriously. He should have stayed in school. Mid round 3, flirting with day 2. Too much talent in this draft without the major question marks. If he was the freak some thought he was this would be much different, but he needed to run with Huff to be a second rounder.

 
Wow, some smokin' official times coming in.

Tye Hill 4.30

Joseph 4.31

Huff 4.34

Bullocks 4.38

Looks like Hill may get his wish and be the fastest there.  Good for him.  Huff and Bullocks are good sized dudes to be running this fast... sheeesh, this draft is loaded.
Seems like a really fast track this year, no? NFL GMs are suckers for CBs with great 40-times, so Hill and Joseph can pretty much write themselves into the top 45 picks or so :yes:
Hill was already an easy first rounder as the best true cover corner in the draft. Now I think he has a chance to leapfrog Jimmy Williams, depending on his pro day results. I really like Hill and think Baltimore, Atlanta, or Miami could use him.
 
Wow, some smokin' official times coming in.

Tye Hill 4.30

Joseph 4.31

Huff 4.34

Bullocks 4.38

Looks like Hill may get his wish and be the fastest there. Good for him. Huff and Bullocks are good sized dudes to be running this fast... sheeesh, this draft is loaded.
Seems like a really fast track this year, no? NFL GMs are suckers for CBs with great 40-times, so Hill and Joseph can pretty much write themselves into the top 45 picks or so :yes:
Reason #467 why I am not an NFL GM:I could not pass on a 4.38 40 CB whose name was Bulocks
He's a tough hard nosed very smart team captain monster intangibles good guy good student SAFETY.
 
Seems like a really fast track this year, no? NFL GMs are suckers for CBs with great 40-times, so Hill and Joseph can pretty much write themselves into the top 45 picks or so :yes:
Joseph and Fabian Washington are supposed to be the same speed. Washington ran 4.29 there last year. I think the track is fast, and they want it fast to encourage more campers to work out, but it's not as fast as say... Ohio State's track.
 
Greenway is really hurt bad by this time. I saw him as a Derrick Johnson type - not hardnosed, but a playmaker because of his speed. Who cares if he doesnt take on blocks, because he's fast enough to run around them... Well, that comparison is blown out of the water now.
was it him that did poorly on the 225 benchpress? One of the top LBers I was surprised how little they did.
 
Greenway is really hurt bad by this time. I saw him as a Derrick Johnson type - not hardnosed, but a playmaker because of his speed. Who cares if he doesnt take on blocks, because he's fast enough to run around them... Well, that comparison is blown out of the water now.
was it him that did poorly on the 225 benchpress? One of the top LBers I was surprised how little they did.
:yes: Falling like a rock.

Actually several teams fell in love with him at the Senior Bowl. He won't fall far, but this is a revealing combine to say the least.

 
Greenway is really hurt bad by this time. I saw him as a Derrick Johnson type - not hardnosed, but a playmaker because of his speed. Who cares if he doesnt take on blocks, because he's fast enough to run around them...  Well, that comparison is blown out of the water now.
was it him that did poorly on the 225 benchpress? One of the top LBers I was surprised how little they did.
:yes: Falling like a rock.

Actually several teams fell in love with him at the Senior Bowl. He won't fall far, but this is a revealing combine to say the least.
CC,where do you see Greenway in the OLB class now? Hawk and Ryans have to be ahead of him, and maybe Sims? Also Carpenter and Lawson as a 3-4 LBs, and maybe even Howard as a 4-3 OLB... I could even justify Jackson as an OLB before him based on these combine numbers, because Greenway is really was a guy whose top half of the first status was based a lot on perceived elite measureables...

 
More unofficial DB 40s:

Donte' Whitner Ohio St. 4.40

Dee Webb Florida 4.41

Pat Watkins Florida St. 4.42

Richard Marshall Fresno St. 4.42

Gerrick McPhearson Maryland 4.42

David Pittman Northwestern St. 4.44

Ko Simpson S. Carolina 4.45

Derrick Martin Wyoming 4.45

Danieal Manning Abilene Christian 4.46

These are solid. Now let's see if they get lower by the official clock.

Whitner has probably made a move past Simpson. I cannot think of anything Simpson does better. That's a crazy good time for Watkins, being he is 6-4. He is the top pure free safety in the draft, imo. For Marshall to tie McPhearson, who was supposed to challenge Joseph and Hill is very very good. Marshall is a great player but his speed was questioned. McPhearson is the opposite. Incredibly fast, but his play is raw. This hurts McPhearson a little, though he was questionable for day one anyway. He needed 4.3? to go as high as some thought he might. Simpson is not as fast as advertised, but still plenty fast for a strong safety. I read 4.41 as an estimate at three different sites. Same for Manning, who pretty much answered the question of whether he'll play corner or safety-- safety it is. A good football player though. He's the DeMeco Ryans of these DBs-- not the best measureables, but just a good player.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Greenway is really hurt bad by this time. I saw him as a Derrick Johnson type - not hardnosed, but a playmaker because of his speed. Who cares if he doesnt take on blocks, because he's fast enough to run around them... Well, that comparison is blown out of the water now.
was it him that did poorly on the 225 benchpress? One of the top LBers I was surprised how little they did.
:yes: Falling like a rock.

Actually several teams fell in love with him at the Senior Bowl. He won't fall far, but this is a revealing combine to say the least.
CC,where do you see Greenway in the OLB class now? Hawk and Ryans have to be ahead of him, and maybe Sims? Also Carpenter and Lawson as a 3-4 LBs, and maybe even Howard as a 4-3 OLB... I could even justify Jackson as an OLB before him based on these combine numbers, because Greenway is really was a guy whose top half of the first status was based a lot on perceived elite measureables...
I'm still a little stunned at how weak and slow he is. :( **** Nolan loved the guy at the Senior Bowl, but no way was he ever drafting him.

He still has great intangibles. Great size. We are comparing him to smaller more compact players. I had him in Philly at 1.14 in the last mock, dropping him from SL at 1.11. I've said there are about 15 elite players in this draft. That number just fell by one, but he still may top the next tier and project about the same. Look at a mock and you may see what I mean. He was bottom of the elite. Now he may be near the top of the next tier. Not a real big drop in projection, just tempered expectations over the disappointing numbers. Was top 15, now somewhere between 16 and 25 is my guess. Remember Boss Bailey's inexplicable fall? That's a possibility too, but I need to hear more before going that far.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Cromartie official 40 - 4.39

That's more like it. He'll get looked at in the 2nd round, and with his size and THIS speed, I'm a fan all over again.

 

Users who are viewing this thread

Back
Top