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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (6 Viewers)

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Leeroy Jenkins said:
I am starting to believe that if the virus hit in 2018 or 2019, a non-election year and Scott Gotlieb was still in charge of the FDA, that this whole thing -- the virus, masking, vaccines, etc. would not have been anywhere close to as politicized and we would have been out of this is a make quicker timeframe.
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He'd likely have been fired within the first 4-8 weeks of the event.

 
The Commish said:
I can relate.  Things have been more unstable for my kids this year than they ever were at home.  They're doing the best they can, but it's absurd.
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Rightly or wrongly (obviously) we are basically treating Covid like the flu here - please don't come to school if you are sick.  Other than that I don't think they give a ####.

 
Jackstraw said:
Seems like when the rubber hits the road on Mandates a large percentage go vaccine. NY City PD threatened mass resignations but it didn;t really materialize. 
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I feel like that's what would happen here for most but we are running so razor thing on people now any blip with employment and we're really screwed. Like everyone, we have over 1000 positions open right now that won't get filled anytime soon. We can't afford to lose one, let alone more than that right now.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I am starting to believe that if the virus hit in 2018 or 2019, a non-election year and Scott Gotlieb was still in charge of the FDA, that this whole thing -- the virus, masking, vaccines, etc. would not have been anywhere close to as politicized and we would have been out of this is a make quicker timeframe.
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You realize it's global and the rest of the world isn't out of it, right?   

 
beer 30 said:
My company had a COVID update call yesterday. Was disappointed in the numbers, less than 40% of our entire 15,000 person workforce is vaccinated and 1700 refuse to even tell whether they've had a shot or not. We've also had 19 deaths due to COVID since the virus hit. In our world, if there is 1 death due to equipment failure or operator error we have something akin to an NTSB investigation to ascertain the issue, address it & provide a solution all within a few days of the event. 19 and we've done nothing other than encourage people get vaccinated because (and this is me speculating but I know I'm not far off the mark) we're afraid we'd lose a significant portion of our workforce if we mandated it. What a ####ty position we're in.

Sometime around the 90's, I blame Grunge. 
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Remind me - did you company provide any kind of incentive?  Ours did (a rather nice monetary bonus) and we now have over 90% of folks that are either vaccinated or have applied for exemption (no numbers on that but I'm assuming it's relatively low). 

 
More details on Ireland.

Ireland will impose a midnight curfew on bars, restaurants and nightclubs from Thursday, its prime minister Micheál Martin has announced, as the country tackles a fresh wave of Covid-19 cases. Martin said the country's rise in infections is "a cause of deep concern" as he unveiled a swathe of new measures aimed at "reducing socialization across the board." They include a return to guidance that people work from home and an expansion of where a vaccination pass is required -- people must now show them at theaters and cinemas.
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AAABatteries said:
Remind me - did you company provide any kind of incentive?  Ours did (a rather nice monetary bonus) and we now have over 90% of folks that are either vaccinated or have applied for exemption (no numbers on that but I'm assuming it's relatively low). 
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No we didn't do anything other than encourage getting the vaccine. We have spent literally millions on COVID between testing, raises and vacation allowances we typically wouldn't do. Guess we approached it differently.

 
-fish- said:
You realize it's global and the rest of the world isn't out of it, right?   
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And I wasn't meaning this in a "Pro-Trump" way.  What I am saying is that he politized the virus in a certain way to create a wedge issue in an election year because he knew this would not resolve itself prior to the election.  There have been dire consequences because of that.

If this were a few years earlier, he would have wanted to be the savior, and be able to point to how he put America First and cut through the FDA/CDC red-tape to make sure he got all of the credit for beating the virus and the world during the later campaign.

The Dems take the approach of not wanting to offend anyone -- when the FDA/CDC pushed back on Biden's September deadline to approve boosters, Biden and team backed off.  When, meanwhile, their plan was the correct path;  politics and the WHO and developing world be damned, it was the right move for the country. 

And now we are going to have a winter like last year because everyone is doing the holidays thinking they are protected, when they are not.  So even LESS precaution than last year when there were no vaccines and LOWER baseline of infections to start the season.

 
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AAABatteries said:
Rightly or wrongly (obviously) we are basically treating Covid like the flu here - please don't come to school if you are sick.  Other than that I don't think they give a ####.
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Same here.  And it's been fine.  Our schools just went from "masks recommended" to "whatever" earlier this week due to declining case counts.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
This winter is going to end up somehow being as bad or worse than last winter.  You will have people walking around doing whatever, hosting large family gatherings and events, all thinking they are protected because of the false definition of fully vaccinated right now.  

Sadly, this is all still political.  We aren't boosting everyone yet, not because of the data, but because of the WHO and political correctness when it comes to wealthy nations on their third shot versus poor countries at 2% vaccinated.  

Such a huge mistake and disaster.
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I think this is a bit of hyperbole. The fact is at this point last November NO ONE in the U.S. was vaccinated yet. Right now, somewhere in the 60% range are vaccinated. I think cases will go up in the next 4 months, but I don't think they will approach where we got to last winter, unless there is another variant.

 
dhockster said:
I think this is a bit of hyperbole. The fact is at this point last November NO ONE in the U.S. was vaccinated yet. Right now, somewhere in the 60% range are vaccinated. I think cases will go up in the next 4 months, but I don't think they will approach where we got to last winter, unless there is another variant.
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Even if they do, the metrics that matter now are hospitalizations and deaths.  

 
10 year old Granddaughter just tested positive. 3rd kid from her class to test positive this week. Hopefully being vaccinated will work out.

 
dhockster said:
I think this is a bit of hyperbole. The fact is at this point last November NO ONE in the U.S. was vaccinated yet. Right now, somewhere in the 60% range are vaccinated. I think cases will go up in the next 4 months, but I don't think they will approach where we got to last winter, unless there is another variant.
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Delta didn't exist last winter

 
Mile High said:
10 year old Granddaughter just tested positive. 3rd kid from her class to test positive this week. Hopefully being vaccinated will work out.
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I hope she end up fine but shes had her second shot and is 2 weeks removed already?

 
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Penguin said:
I don't get the reduced business hours, it's not like you can only catch Covid after midnight
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we made bars close at 10, then moved it to 11, then finally moved it back to 2 a.m.

all the 10 pm cut off did was create a rush of people binge drinking between 9-10.  

 
Mile High said:
10 year old Granddaughter just tested positive. 3rd kid from her class to test positive this week. Hopefully being vaccinated will work out.
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Best of luck to her: I hope it doesn't affect her at all.

2 of my grandkids, ages 19 and 22, got it. Neither had to be hospitalized though one of them was quite sick at home for awhile. Neither was vaccinated at the time they got it, though they both are now.

 
Penguin said:
I don't get the reduced business hours, it's not like you can only catch Covid after midnight
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I kind of get it. It's not like everyone going to a bar shifts from drinking from 11 until 2 to drinking from 7 until 10,  based on how things happened around here (small city in MD). The bars here just  had fewer customers staying long times.

 
Alex P Keaton said:
dhockster said:
Right now, somewhere in the 60% range are vaccinated. I think cases will go up in the next 4 months, but I don't think they will approach where we got to last winter, unless there is another variant.
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Even if they do, the metrics that matter now are hospitalizations and deaths.  
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I'll disagree. People get COVID from other people, so cases (and spread) matter. They're what drives hospitalizations and deaths. With the current death rate (posted upthread within the last week I believe) we're looking at over 400,000 deaths a year, all of which are cases contracted from others.

Too many people don't want to be inconvenienced by masking or avoiding social situations. Too many don't want to give up what they had and did before COVID hit. A large number won't get vaccinated due to visceral reasons driven by politics. Too many people think "I'm OK" and don't care about their part in spreading COVID while they may remain unaffected themselves. 68 countries currently are more vaccinated than the US and that number will grow. While the greatest nation on earth is populated by people who, to a great extent, don't care how much they spread COVID.

 
Leeroy Jenkins said:
I am starting to believe that if the virus hit in 2018 or 2019, a non-election year and Scott Gotlieb was still in charge of the FDA, that this whole thing -- the virus, masking, vaccines, etc. would not have been anywhere close to as politicized and we would have been out of this in a much quicker timeframe.
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Are other countries out if this? This is absurd.

 
-fish- said:
we made bars close at 10, then moved it to 11, then finally moved it back to 2 a.m.

all the 10 pm cut off did was create a rush of people binge drinking between 9-10.  
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Our campus gym did the same thing.  They cut their hours by 1/3 so they had down time to clean up all the fomites that weren't really causing a problem after all, with the effect of increasing population density during the hours that they were actually open.

So stupid.

 
Here’s a weird covid situation for you.  I’m wondering if its a case of somebody being horribly unlucky enough to catch two different variants.  My friend and her husband in Pittsburgh were fully vaccinated with Pfizer about 7 months ago.  Around a month ago—she got sick—tested positive for covid—had mild to moderate symptoms—but nothing to the point of needing hospitalization.  The husband also caught it from her—was asymptomatic—but he was tested twice to reduce or eliminate the odds of there being a false positive.    A little over a month later—the husband gets sick again—tests positive for covid—and while he’s not needing hospitalization—he’s very much symptomatic.  Complete body aches, massive fatigue, impaired senses of taste and smell—the dude hasn’t moved out of bed in like over 2 days.  I do a lot of my own covid research just by using friends, clients, family as my sample size—and this particular situation is a bit concerning imo.   If any of you guys are in the Pittsburgh/Pennsylvania area and are aware of similar types of situations—please let me know.  

 
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Louisiana governor opens up boosters to 18+.  Looks like I won't have to fudge to get one.  Worrierqueen is getting hers today.  I'll get mine next week.

 
fatness said:
I'll disagree. People get COVID from other people, so cases (and spread) matter. They're what drives hospitalizations and deaths. With the current death rate (posted upthread within the last week I believe) we're looking at over 400,000 deaths a year, all of which are cases contracted from others.

Too many people don't want to be inconvenienced by masking or avoiding social situations. Too many don't want to give up what they had and did before COVID hit. A large number won't get vaccinated due to visceral reasons driven by politics. Too many people think "I'm OK" and don't care about their part in spreading COVID while they may remain unaffected themselves. 68 countries currently are more vaccinated than the US and that number will grow. While the greatest nation on earth is populated by people who, to a great extent, don't care how much they spread COVID.
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You're both partly right. If we had 100% vaccination and healthy population, we could have a million cases a day and nobody would care if hospitalizations and deaths were near zero. 

But we don't, so high community spread will inevitably lead to high hospitalization and death, especially in lower-vaccinated areas.

 
Here in Oregon (Portland), booster vaccine appointments at pharmacies are backing up into late December.  So people seem to be getting boosted here.  Ended up just going to my doctor because I didn't want to wait that long since my original dose was JnJ.

 
Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Nice rundown of the earliest CV19 cases and the ties to the market.

Nothing will be definitive, but with all the details laid out it makes a pretty good case for the market as the origination point.
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One of the magazines, can't recall which one but I posted it a while back, basically had this same theory. Interesting to see another corroboration (or maybe it's by the same author, can't recall). Either way, it will be scrutinized heavily since it's anti lab-leak. :lol:  

 
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