*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (13 Viewers)

[Jackstraw]

We've been at the highest census in our history the last two weeks.  Fully 1/4 of the patients are in the hospital for covid and even more are in the hospital with covid.  And like everywhere else, the unvaxxed are the one doing poorly and requiring intensive care, oxygen, and vents.  The ED is constantly on alert with tens of patients waiting for beds.  Our OP surgery area has been shut down and is being used to house covid patients now.  

Thanks to all you've who've gotten vaxxed and double thanks to all who've been boosted.  I can't imagine how many millions would have died if this variant hit with no vaccines available. 

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/01/get-boosted

Amazing detailed data on 3rd shots and vaccines from Alberta. Essentially: “The hospitalization rate among 3x-vaccinated 80+ year olds is lower than the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated 12-29-year-olds.”

 

[beer 30]

My behavior remains the same though perception of that behavior clearly hasn't.  We have kept it simple the whole time.  Stay away from large groups of people.  Keep distance from people best you can while in stores etc.  Wash hands consistently and often.  Wear a mask when in groups of people inside.  NONE of that has changed for us.  The only thing we've changed is types of masks.  Now that we can get better masks, we got away from the cloth ones.  

Pretty much the same for us. I'm hopeful this latest variant will allow for a little more leeway but doesn't affect us a bunch anyhow. We weren't social butterfly's to begin with.

 

[The Z Machine]

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/01/get-boosted

Amazing detailed data on 3rd shots and vaccines from Alberta. Essentially: “The hospitalization rate among 3x-vaccinated 80+ year olds is lower than the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated 12-29-year-olds.”

But Canadians are very different than Americans so they can't be compared.  American exceptionalism! 

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

This chart from the tweet above shows things really well.

They've tracked hospitalization rates for all causes for the entire population, and then split it into 3x vaxxed vs unvaxxed.

A couple things:

If you're 80+ years old and triple jabbed you're far less likely to be hospitalized for any reason (one in 700) than an unvaccinated 30-39 year old (one in 200 or so).

Comparing the hospitalization rates for 3-vaxxed vs unvaxxed shows the vax protects each age group vs hospitalization like this:

• 30-39 (98.2%)
  
• 40-49 (99.0%)
  
• 50-59 (98.8%)
  
• 60-69 (99.6%)
  
• 70-79 (99.4%)
  
• 80+ (96.9% - makes sense as 80+s go the hospital a lot more for non-COVID reasons)
  

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Also saw a good stat today that 50.2% of all US hospitalizations for COVID were people that are obese.  That's high.

Until you use the Google to find out that 42.4% of all adults in the US are obese.

 

[TripItUp]

Also saw a good stat today that 50.2% of all US hospitalizations for COVID were people that are obese.  That's high.

Until you use the Google to find out that 42.4% of all adults in the US are obese.

Obesity is a major problem.  I started a thread regarding it in the politics forum.

But yes, being obese puts you at significantly greater risk...one of the reasons the US has higher hospitilization and death rates when compared to other nations.   If we were a healthy nation, Covid would be much less of a problem.   

 

[TripItUp]

Also saw a good stat today that 50.2% of all US hospitalizations for COVID were people that are obese. 

I've actually heard/read it's much higher than 50%, closer to 65%.  I'll try to find the link.

Basically, the vast majority of hospitlizations are old or obese people.(>90%).

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Obesity is a major problem.  I started a thread regarding it in the politics forum.

But yes, being obese puts you at significantly greater risk...one of the reasons the US has higher hospitilization and death rates when compared to other nations.   If we were a healthy nation, Covid would be much less of a problem.   

Looks like it puts you at maybe 20% more risk of hospitalization. 

50.2% of hospitalizations are from the 42.4% of obese Americans.

49.8% of hospitalizations are from the 57.6% of not-obese Americans.

 

[TripItUp]

Looks like it puts you at maybe 20% more risk of hospitalization. 

50.2% of hospitalizations are from the 42.4% of obese Americans.

49.8% of hospitalizations are from the 57.6% of not-obese Americans.

Makes sense.

I saw combined numbers for overweight/obese.   Something like 2/3rds of Americans are overweight or obese

This narrative isn't being told because the power that be don't want healthy, basically non at risk people not getting vaxxed.  .

 

[beer 30]

Makes sense.

I saw combined numbers for overweight/obese.   Something like 2/3rds of Americans are overweight.

It's not hard to see (and this coming from someone considered obese). Every time I go into a Walmart or grocery store almost all you see are overweight but the really sad thing to me is when you see a family and the kids are huge. Like 2nd, 3rd, 4th grade kids that look like somebody pumped them full of air. They're never (or rarely) be able to overcome that. Especially when mom & dad encourage it by waddling right over to the Twinkies ever trip to the store.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Ballparking here, but:

Being obese increases your risk by about 20% (and being overweight a bit less than that).

Being unvaxxed increases your risk by around 9900%.

 

[The Z Machine]

healthy, basically non at risk people

Everyone is at some risk here.  Sure, that risk if hospitalization and death is very low for an unvaxed 17 year old, but that's not true for an unvaxed 55 year old.  The unvaxed 35 - 55 year old thinks, "I'm relatively young and healthy (compared to those in nursing homes), so my risk is low. "  The risk for those folks is non-zero and those are people that are directly contributing to the economic and cultural development of the nation.  We need to keep this people healthy and contributing.  We don't want kids growing up without one of their parents. 

Get vaxed and boosted for yourself, your family, your community, and your nation. 

 

[The Z Machine]

Ballparking here, but:

Being obese increases your risk by about 20% (and being overweight a bit less than that).

Being unvaxxed increases your risk by around 9900%.

Also, one is significantly easier to change than the other. Well, at least one direction. 

 

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Obesity is a major problem.  I started a thread regarding it in the politics forum.

But yes, being obese puts you at significantly greater risk...one of the reasons the US has higher hospitilization and death rates when compared to other nations.   If we were a healthy nation, Covid would be much less of a problem.   

If you look at the data, Hospitalizations among unvaccinated people with NO pre-existing conditions (including obesity) still dramatically outnumber vaccinated people at pretty much any age level.

Soo... being unvaccinated generally puts you at "Significantly greater risk" than being "unhealthy" (within reason of course).

Maybe stop incorrectly implying that's not the case if you wish to preserve what limited credibility you might still have.

 

[Doug B]

Looks like [obesity] puts you at maybe 20% more risk of hospitalization. 

That's almost exactly the extra risk the CDC put specifically on obesity in the study that Walensky referenced when she spoke about "four comorbidities". It was something like 1.28 (= 28% extra risk).

Of the several comorbidities studied, obesity was the weakest correlate with severe COVID outcomes. Not to say there was no significant correlation with obesity -- just that it was less (usually a lot less) than the other comorbidities studied.

You can see the numbers here -- look in the column at the far right titled "aOR of severe versus nonsevere COVID-19 outcome (95% CI)". Anything with a 1.0 in that column is being used as a baseline against which other traits are measured.

EDIT: fixed the numbers in the first paragraph - from 24% to 28%

 

[belljr]

It's not hard to see (and this coming from someone considered obese). Every time I go into a Walmart or grocery store almost all you see are overweight but the really sad thing to me is when you see a family and the kids are huge. Like 2nd, 3rd, 4th grade kids that look like somebody pumped them full of air. They're never (or rarely) be able to overcome that. Especially when mom & dad encourage it by waddling right over to the Twinkies ever trip to the store.

Yeah I'm technically obese but feel down right skinny around a lot of people

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Also, one is significantly easier to change than the other. Well, at least one direction. 

Certainly faster.

 

[belljr]

Depending what you use to track.

Here we are down to .96 or 1.02 numbers still dropping.  Our ICU usage never really spiked. Hospitalization looks to peaked also.

All signs and hope for you other areas as we are usually "the first parts of the wave"

 

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Depending what you use to track.

Here we are down to .96 or 1.02 numbers still dropping.  Our ICU usage never really spiked. Hospitalization looks to peaked also.

All signs and hope for you other areas as we are usually "the first parts of the wave"

Love seeing indicators of a top. Thanks for sharing! In Memphis we're  seeing positivity and new case loads starting to drop here as well. We peaked around 45% positivity so it got outright Krunk here for a while...'

Thankfully THUS FAR the GF and I have managed to avoid getting bit in those decidedly shark infested waters with a few simple precautions and triple Moderna.  

 

[belljr]

Love seeing indicators of a top. Thanks for sharing! In Memphis we're  seeing positivity and new case loads starting to drop here as well. We peaked around 45% positivity so it got outright Krunk here for a while...'

Thankfully THUS FAR the GF and I have managed to avoid getting bit in those decidedly shark infested waters with a few simple precautions and triple Moderna.  

Again pending which site data (I still use covidactnow) we peaked at 36.4% positive. (1/3,) Still below our first ever surge. Today was 30.1

 

[Terminalxylem]

https://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2022/01/get-boosted

Amazing detailed data on 3rd shots and vaccines from Alberta. Essentially: “The hospitalization rate among 3x-vaccinated 80+ year olds is lower than the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated 12-29-year-olds.”

That’s a nice summary.

The problem is, the subset of people who been infected before are gonna act like they’re protected forever, whether they’ve had 0, 1 or 2 shots. They’ll conveniently ignore the time which has passed since initial infection/vaccination, and the likely strain. Then they’ll quote (still) non-peer reviewed (pre-omicron) Israeli data + unquantifiable cellular immunity. 

 

[Terminalxylem]

"But they're not really vaccines."

We need a poll to determine the dumbest anti-vax trope. For my money, it’s this or VAERS misrepresentation.

 

[Desert_Power]

We need a poll to determine the dumbest anti-vax trope. For my money, it’s this or VAERS misrepresentation.

I like the claims the vaccines cause the covid variants personally

 

[Terminalxylem]

Also saw a good stat today that 50.2% of all US hospitalizations for COVID were people that are obese.  That's high.

Until you use the Google to find out that 42.4% of all adults in the US are obese.

Too bad there’s no database listing the percentage of obese people admitted for any reason. One reason good data doesn’t exist: obesity is so common, it often is overlooked on hospital problem lists.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Too bad there’s no database listing the percentage of obese people admitted for any reason. One reason good data doesn’t exist: obesity is so common, it often is overlooked on hospital problem lists.

Good point -- if the obese are more likely to be admitted for any reason than other people (which seems pretty likely) the 20% increase in risk is lower.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It's a lot easier to get a shot than it is to lose 50 pounds.  

 

[Don't Toews Me]

It's not hard to see (and this coming from someone considered obese). Every time I go into a Walmart or grocery store almost all you see are overweight but the really sad thing to me is when you see a family and the kids are huge. Like 2nd, 3rd, 4th grade kids that look like somebody pumped them full of air. They're never (or rarely) be able to overcome that. Especially when mom & dad encourage it by waddling right over to the Twinkies ever trip to the store.

Yeah, sadly they usually don't grow out of that. Tracks into adulthood. You think about the 2nd and 3rd order effects of that, and it is quite sad. I think CDC said a couple years ago that 19.3% of kids aged 2-19 are considered obese. That's about 1 in 5. Big problem. 

 

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It's a lot easier to get a shot than it is to lose 50 pounds.  

Seems to be safer wrt COVID complications as well

Shark move is do both

 

[The Commish]

I can't think of many (if any) virus, disease, you name it where "If I was healthier, it wouldn't impact me as much" isn't true

 

[TripItUp]

If you look at the data, Hospitalizations among unvaccinated people with NO pre-existing conditions (including obesity) still dramatically outnumber vaccinated people at pretty much any age level.

Soo... being unvaccinated generally puts you at "Significantly greater risk" than being "unhealthy" (within reason of course).

Maybe stop incorrectly implying that's not the case if you wish to preserve what limited credibility you might still have.

Maybe be more truthful with the vaccination narrative.   Younger people don't need the vax for themselves.  They need it to slow the spread to protect the old and obese.

The overweight are on notice.  Stop eating donuts.

 

[James Daulton]

Maybe be more truthful with the vaccination narrative.   Younger people don't need the vax for themselves.  They need it to slow the spread to protect the old and obese.

The overweight are on notice.  Stop eating donuts.

Wait, donuts are bad for you?

Rats

 

[TripItUp]

Wait, donuts are bad for you?

Rats

I chose donuts specifically because they are my weakness.  I can throw down a box of dunkin in less than 5 minutes.

 

[belljr]

Wait, donuts are bad for you?

Rats

Only the plain ones.   The one with chocolate and jelly and creme are all extra healthy

 

[Sand]

It's a lot easier to get a shot than it is to lose 50 pounds.  

I'm aiming to get taller over the next 6 months.

 

[Sand]

That's almost exactly the extra risk the CDC put specifically on obesity in the study that Walensky referenced when she spoke about "four comorbidities". It was something like 1.28 (= 28% extra risk).

Of the several comorbidities studied, obesity was the weakest correlate with severe COVID outcomes. Not to say there was no significant correlation with obesity -- just that it was less (usually a lot less) than the other comorbidities studied.

You can see the numbers here -- look in the column at the far right titled "aOR of severe versus nonsevere COVID-19 outcome (95% CI)". Anything with a 1.0 in that column is being used as a baseline against which other traits are measured.

EDIT: fixed the numbers in the first paragraph - from 24% to 28%

Interesting that obesity is statistically indistinguishable from the baseline, if I read that right.

 

[Yo Mama]

Maybe be more truthful with the vaccination narrative.   Younger people don't need the vax for themselves.  They need it to slow the spread to protect the old and obese.

The overweight are on notice.  Stop eating donuts.

Curious where you draw this conclusion. From the link above:

Hospitalization rate per 100k

Age - 3 doses - 2 doses - 0 doses

<5 - 0.00 - 0.00 - 49.67

5-11 - 0.00 - 0.00 - 23.28

12-20 - 4.50 - 14.13 - 237.54

This isn’t the hugest sample size, but other studies I’ve seen show similar information. 

 

[Doug B]

Interesting that obesity is statistically indistinguishable from the baseline, if I read that right.

There does appear to be, statistically, an increased risk for the obese. Your right that parity (1.0) is within the confidence interval, though.

 

[Sand]

There does appear to be, statistically, an increased risk for the obese. Your right that parity (1.0) is within the confidence interval, though.

Those two statements are contradictory.     

I have no doubts that obesity is a factor, but this study can't say that.

 

[The Z Machine]

It's a lot easier to get a shot than it is to lose 50 pounds.  

Yup. Most legs don't weigh 50 lbs. unless you're NFL sized. Plus getting rid of a leg is way more bloody.

 

[Terminalxylem]

It's a lot easier to get a shot than it is to lose 50 pounds.  

But it’s three, maybe more 

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

We need a poll to determine the dumbest anti-vax trope. For my money, it’s this or VAERS misrepresentation.

Only solution is a bracketed tournament.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

With 4th pfizer dose not being effective against omicron (not sure why this is, if the 3rd shot is beneficial for 4 weeks at least against it) we are going to have a cron specific vaccine in march i bet and then some other type of booster in the fall before fading to a yearly covid and flu shot combo in 2023. 

 

[Judge Smails]

Man I really want to travel to Tampa for the Bucs/Ram game. Dumb?

 

[Dezbelief]

Man I really want to travel to Tampa for the Bucs/Ram game. Dumb?

If any state has herd immunity it's got to be Florida. 

 

[TripItUp]

He's not basing it on anything. He's always been a troll with stances based on being attention starved vs contributing anything of value.

Has been the case with his posting style in the shark pool for some time as well. 

This isn't a very nice thing to say.  I don't report people, but this is a reportable post and is far from "being excellent."  I haven't spoken negatively of you or any other poster for that matter.

If my informed opinions are not of value to you, please block me.  Thanks.

 

[Gilroy34]

This isn't a very nice thing to say.  I don't report people, but this is a reportable post and is far from "being excellent."  I haven't spoken negatively of you or any other poster for that matter.

If my informed opinions are not of value to you, please block me.  Thanks.

Agreed.  Icon is way too full of himself and his opinions in this thread.

 

[Osaurus]

Man I really want to travel to Tampa for the Bucs/Ram game. Dumb?

If any state has herd immunity it's got to be Florida. 

Oh yeah. Florida has been bulletproof the whole time.

 

[Sleestak]

pantsload snipped

Informed - LOL.  Ignored.

 

[IvanKaramazov]

It's always funny when people parachute into this thread with idiotic talking points they picked from Facebook, and then get all whiny when people don't respect them.  Don't want to get treated like a tool?  Stop being a tool.  There's a forum set aside for that.

 

[HellToupee]

China orders overseas mail disinfection over Omicron fears

China is battling multiple small outbreaks of the coronavirus.

BEIJING: China's postal service has ordered workers to disinfect international deliveries and urged the public to reduce orders from overseas after authorities claimed mail could be the source of recent coronavirus outbreaks.

China, where the virus first emerged in late 2019, has stuck to a strict policy of targeting zero Covid cases even as the rest of the world has reopened.

But the country is now battling multiple small outbreaks, including one in Beijing as the capital prepares to host the Winter Olympics.

In recent days, Chinese officials have suggested that some people could have been infected by packages from abroad, including a woman in Beijing whom authorities said had no contact with other infected people but tested positive for a variant similar to those found in North America.

China Post on Monday published a statement ordering workers to disinfect the outer packaging of all international mail "as soon as possible" and requiring employees handling foreign letters and packages to receive booster vaccine shots.

The postal service also asked the public to reduce purchases and deliveries from "countries and regions with a high overseas epidemic risk" and said domestic mail should be handled in different areas to prevent cross-contamination.

The coronavirus is spread through small liquid particles exhaled by infected people.

Both the World Health Organization and the US Centers for Disease Control have said the risk of being infected from contaminated surfaces -- known as fomite transmission -- is low and becomes less likely as time passes.

The CDC has said there is a 99% reduction in virus traces left on most surfaces within three days.

But China is not willing to take any risks, even more so ahead of next month's Winter Olympics.

The country uses strict local lockdowns, mass testing and people tracing health apps to stamp out infections as soon as cases are detected.

Millions have been confined to their homes in multiple cities in recent weeks after cases of both the Delta and Omicron coronavirus variants flared.

Recent infections have been detected in areas that receive a high volume of international goods, including in the eastern port city of Tianjin and the southern manufacturing region of Guangdong.

China reported 127 new locally transmitted Covid cases on Tuesday.

This seems so 2020, do they know something we don’t?