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*** OFFICIAL *** COVID-19 CoronaVirus Thread. Fresh epidemic fears as child pneumonia cases surge in Europe after China outbreak. NOW in USA (30 Viewers)

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I may be over-thinking this, but I was pondering the end-game “goal” of this turning endemic and being season/yearly similar to the flu.  But I’m pretty certain it will always be the case that it is more transmissible and potent than the flu, meaning stronger/worse reactions and results with larger hospitalizations and deaths.  If symptoms, however, remain mostly indistinguishable from that of the flu or common cold, how are we to treat mitigation compared to current with self-isolation and distancing?

I'm assuming it becomes an “it is what it is” mentality, though curious is thought has been given to that?

 
That one guy said:
I may be over-thinking this, but I was pondering the end-game “goal” of this turning endemic and being season/yearly similar to the flu.  But I’m pretty certain it will always be the case that it is more transmissible and potent than the flu, meaning stronger/worse reactions and results with larger hospitalizations and deaths.  If symptoms, however, remain mostly indistinguishable from that of the flu or common cold, how are we to treat mitigation compared to current with self-isolation and distancing?

I'm assuming it becomes an “it is what it is” mentality, though curious is thought has been given to that?
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This is what's going to happen.  It feels like much of the last 9 months or so has been an excruciatingly slow process of people gradually figuring this out.

 
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That one guy said:
I may be over-thinking this, but I was pondering the end-game “goal” of this turning endemic and being season/yearly similar to the flu.  But I’m pretty certain it will always be the case that it is more transmissible and potent than the flu, meaning stronger/worse reactions and results with larger hospitalizations and deaths.  If symptoms, however, remain mostly indistinguishable from that of the flu or common cold, how are we to treat mitigation compared to current with self-isolation and distancing?

I'm assuming it becomes an “it is what it is” mentality, though curious is thought has been given to that?
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While I think SARS-CoV-2 will be more virulent than influenza for a while, the combination of several factors will prevent it from overwhelming hospitals in perpetuity:

1. Increased collective immunity from a combination of vaccines/boosters + resolved infection.

2. Improved access to therapeutic agents, like Paxlovid and monoclonal antibodies.

3. A significant number of vulnerable people dying.

Rapid testing should become more readily available as well, making early self diagnosis easier.

I doubt basic NPIs will change much. Nor will human behavior. So we probably need to work on environmental improvements in airflow + adjusted expectations for working at home and tolerance for coming to work/school while sick.

And our healthcare system desperately needs to be revamped.

 
The Z Machine said:
But there will always be more people that become vulnerable.  How we deal with those will tell the tale of how deadly SARS-CoV-2 is in the future.
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As time goes on ... almost everyone will have multiple exposures to COVID during infancy and childhood. Then a few more "booster" infections as adults. By the time today's under-10 cohort reaches middle age, COVID infections really will be "just a cold" for them.

You are correct, though -- some people will be compromised enough that a COVID infection is dangerous for them. Same as it is currently for influenza, RSV, and the many viruses that can cause pneumonia.

 
Judge Smails said:
Man I really want to travel to Tampa for the Bucs/Ram game. Dumb?
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I see lower corners for $330 on seatgeek. Factors to consider:

1. Vax and boost status.

2. Travel to Tampa, driving or flying?

3. Place to stay. Hotels will be outrageously expensive.

4. Can you avoid the Mons temptation?

Wife and I traveled in Sept to the Ryder Cup, the Packers first home game MNF and a Brewers game. We had tickets to the Fins @ Saints right after xmas that we cancelled/resold when we saw NOLA blowing up and it was in a dome.

I understand either way you decide. I could drive to the game easily but I'll be camped in front of the tube.

 
TripItUp said:
Maybe be more truthful with the vaccination narrative.   Younger people don't need the vax for themselves.  They need it to slow the spread to protect the old and obese.

The overweight are on notice.  Stop eating donuts.
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The US needs to completely revamp its food policies. How in the world are we still subsidizing sugar, wheat and beef? 

A Mcdouble costs less than a decent sized tomato. Not to mention we have completley unwalkable communities due to development rules. 

It costs FAR more to eat healthy than it does to eat unhealthy. I'm all for personal responsibility but we could do so much on the macro level if not for rich guys needing to get more rich. 

 
Jackstraw said:
The US needs to completely revamp its food policies. How in the world are we still subsidizing sugar, wheat and beef? 

A Mcdouble costs less than a decent sized tomato. Not to mention we have completley unwalkable communities due to development rules. 

It costs FAR more to eat healthy than it does to eat unhealthy. I'm all for personal responsibility but we could do so much on the macro level if not for rich guys needing to get more rich. 
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The bolded is not true, but I agree with your overall point. We subsidize unhealthy behaviors and accessibility is an issue that stems beyond just small pockets of the country. I have no good suggestion how to influence change though. There are certainly some among our unhealthy population that have unsuccessfully made honest efforts, but they're much more exception than rule.

 
That one guy said:
I may be over-thinking this, but I was pondering the end-game “goal” of this turning endemic and being season/yearly similar to the flu.  But I’m pretty certain it will always be the case that it is more transmissible and potent than the flu, meaning stronger/worse reactions and results with larger hospitalizations and deaths.  If symptoms, however, remain mostly indistinguishable from that of the flu or common cold, how are we to treat mitigation compared to current with self-isolation and distancing?

I'm assuming it becomes an “it is what it is” mentality, though curious is thought has been given to that?
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It depends on the variant. No matter there will always be a pocket of the population that wishes it out of existence and another pocket that takes enhanced mitigation efforts. I take exception to the former, but not the latter. Whether my specific behavior aligns more with the latter depends on the cost:benefit analysis of that particular variant at any point in time. Given the amount of people that have consistently resisted taking this seriously 'it is what it is' is unfortunately a necessary approach, so make decisions that align with your priorities via your own informed risk assessment. I've not been too concerned about delta nor omicron because I am healthy and vaccinated, but if a variant comes along that is similarly contagious but leads to significantly higher hospitalization rates for the healthy and vaccinated then I'll pivot to behaviors more aligned with 2020 + early 2021.

 
Jackstraw said:
The US needs to completely revamp its food policies. How in the world are we still subsidizing sugar, wheat and beef? 

A Mcdouble costs less than a decent sized tomato. Not to mention we have completley unwalkable communities due to development rules. 

It costs FAR more to eat healthy than it does to eat unhealthy. I'm all for personal responsibility but we could do so much on the macro level if not for rich guys needing to get more rich. 
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This is false. Fruits, vegetables and whole grains are way cheaper than meat and dairy

 
Just another anecdote to file in "wish this wasn't happening, but..."

In true Ferris Bueller style, a good friend's brother's wife's brother-in-law just died from Covid a few days ago (I'm actually also friends with the brother and his wife and heard it directly from them, but added the above for effect).  Early 40's, former Div I soccer player, in really good shape, otherwise fully healthy, yet unvaccinated.  Intubated on day 4 of illness, then ECMO for a few weeks and finally dead.  Tried taking Ivermectin when symptoms started.  

Funeral was a couple days ago.

 
Hang in there brohans

Numbers plummet 4th day in a row

transmisson now .88

Positive droppped another 4% to 26%

positive another 20 per 100k

hospitlizations down

*we are at about 85% vaccinated 

 
gianmarco said:
This is NOT good  :(

4 Arkansas inmates file suit after doctor gave them Ivermectin to treat Covid unknowingly.

This could be devastating with further eroding trust in the medical community.
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This should be illegal.  I assume that it is, but if it isn't, it should be.  Prisoners should have some measure of agency over their own health care, and while there will obviously always be some problematic edge cases in this kind of setting, this isn't one of them.

 
IvanKaramazov said:
This should be illegal.  I assume that it is, but if it isn't, it should be.  Prisoners should have some measure of agency over their own health care, and while there will obviously always be some problematic edge cases in this kind of setting, this isn't one of them.
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It is absolutely illegal and unethical.

 
That one guy said:
I may be over-thinking this, but I was pondering the end-game “goal” of this turning endemic and being season/yearly similar to the flu.  But I’m pretty certain it will always be the case that it is more transmissible and potent than the flu, meaning stronger/worse reactions and results with larger hospitalizations and deaths.  If symptoms, however, remain mostly indistinguishable from that of the flu or common cold, how are we to treat mitigation compared to current with self-isolation and distancing?

I'm assuming it becomes an “it is what it is” mentality, though curious is thought has been given to that?
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Already happening amongst healthcare workers. First read about California nurses going back to work with covid, mask up and they were putting them in covid units. Then a few hospitals around the area were letting covid+ front line employees come back early as long as they didn’t have symptoms. We got this email yesterday.

“Colleagues,

We have just been notified of a very important update to work restrictions for COVID positive employees:

Employees with COVID who feel well enough to work can return to work after 24 hours of being fever free. Further testing is not required.

An announcement will provide further details tomorrow. In the meantime, feel free to reach out to me if you have questions.”

 
fruity pebbles said:
Already happening amongst healthcare workers. First read about California nurses going back to work with covid, mask up and they were putting them in covid units. Then a few hospitals around the area were letting covid+ front line employees come back early as long as they didn’t have symptoms. We got this email yesterday.

“Colleagues,

We have just been notified of a very important update to work restrictions for COVID positive employees:

Employees with COVID who feel well enough to work can return to work after 24 hours of being fever free. Further testing is not required.

An announcement will provide further details tomorrow. In the meantime, feel free to reach out to me if you have questions.”
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Yet they fired the unvaxxed. Makes sense.

 
belljr said:
We got free tests like a month ago :oldunsure:   - that might have been a state thing
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We got free kits from our kids' school district.  Came in handy.  

Also ordered some from Amazon, which are the FDA-approved jobbers.  Also ordered from some site - not sure what it was - but they're on back order (of course).

Add in these free gubment ones and we should be well-stocked for the Omicron season.

 
jobarules said:
I find it sad by the time we get these kits the Omicron wave will be over.
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There are other options.  Most insurances will just reimburse you if you buy your own.  I know my insurance i can walk into a few pharmacies and grab a certain amount for free with no need to reimburse. 

But yea i do see there being another log jam on tests very soon. 

 
Guess I couldn't escape it.  Tested positive today.  Fever started Sunday morning. I'm not sure if it is just delayed a bit from one of the twins having it or if I picked it up somewhere else...it's been going around at work too. Could be from soccer practice as well.

Not too bad so far.  Fever is gone as of yesterday.  No other symptoms except tiredness.  I wouldn't even call it fatigue.  Just been napping a lot.  The worst part is a missed week of pay after more missed pay from work being closed some over the holidays.

 
gianmarco said:
Crazy it's happened twice in Arkansas of all places!
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Not to get political, but one area where I strongly intersect with my more progressive friends is on the topic of prison reform.  The fact that stuff like this happens inside of prisons makes me insanely angry.  I don't know anybody who's ever been incarcerated, but I have an active imagination and this really sets me off.

 
Seventh grader tested negative on her PCR test from Saturday. Let her know and told her to keep it that way. Found out today another one of her friends tested positive. Seems to be all around her. My sister in Fargo had 3 friends over on Saturday for the first time in a long while. One tested positive in Sunday. She has some symptoms today but has also had a cold of some sort for a while. Will probably take a test in a couple days. Like the dude from the Martian I just keep duct taping my bubble and hoping for the best.

 
Joe Mammy said:
I see lower corners for $330 on seatgeek. Factors to consider:

1. Vax and boost status.

2. Travel to Tampa, driving or flying?

3. Place to stay. Hotels will be outrageously expensive.

4. Can you avoid the Mons temptation?

Wife and I traveled in Sept to the Ryder Cup, the Packers first home game MNF and a Brewers game. We had tickets to the Fins @ Saints right after xmas that we cancelled/resold when we saw NOLA blowing up and it was in a dome.

I understand either way you decide. I could drive to the game easily but I'll be camped in front of the tube.
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1)  boosted 

2) flying

3) Marriott’s were $200 when I checked last night

4) Uggh. Probably not

 
SpurrierisisGod said:
Guess I couldn't escape it.  Tested positive today.  Fever started Sunday morning. I'm not sure if it is just delayed a bit from one of the twins having it or if I picked it up somewhere else...it's been going around at work too. Could be from soccer practice as well.

Not too bad so far.  Fever is gone as of yesterday.  No other symptoms except tiredness.  I wouldn't even call it fatigue.  Just been napping a lot.  The worst part is a missed week of pay after more missed pay from work being closed some over the holidays.
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Right with you. Waiting on PCR results but I’d be shocked if they were negative. Muscles aches and fatigue have kicked up today. In a non-pandemic world, I’d probably go to work since I don’t have any other symptoms or fever. Hopefully this is as bad as it gets.

 
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